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Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:48 pm
by Mud Boy
This is something I've suspected for a long time, especially the claimed differences between indicas and sativas, which I have always thought was complete bullshit. This ought to stir up some shit. :smoke:



Marijuana Strains Like OG Kush Are Meaningless, Expert Says
By Dennis Romero Tue., Dec. 3 2013 at 8:08 AM

OG Kush. Skywalker. Pineapple Express. Sour Diesel. Sour Jack.

These are the "strains" that medical marijuana consumers are sold, often at premium prices, with the promise that they'll do something special for you.

But a foremost cannabis expert, Jeffrey Raber, who holds a Ph.D. in chemistry from USC, says it's all b.s. Those names don't mean anything, and a forthcoming study he's working on will prove it, Raber tells us. In fact he even disputes the commonly held notion that the two polar types of weed, indica and sativa, produce opposing effects -- specifically that indica is more of a depressant and sativa is more of an upper.

The data shows that indica and sativa is just morphology [the plants' appearance and structure, not their highs]. It's a misperception that indica will put you to sleep or that sativa is more energetic.

To be sure, many of the aforementioned strains pack the punch promised by their purveyors.

But beyond that, especially when it comes to projections of stimulation or relaxation, head trips versus body highs, and strain-specific cures and treatments, it's a crap shoot, Raber says.

There's no scientific basis for the claims being made by pot shops about the effects of their weed, Raber argues. In fact, he says his study is showing that what's being sold as OG Kush in one shop could be something completely different in another.

"Most people don't even know," he says. "We took a popular name, Jack Herer, and found that most didn't even look like each other. OG whatever, Kush whatever, and the marketing that goes along with it -- it's not really medically designed."

Raber's company, The Werk Shop, provides testing for medical marijuana dispensaries so they can sell pesticide-free weed that's been verified.

The strain study he's working on is analyzing more than 1,000 brands of cannabis sold at pot shops, Raber says. The science involved is called metabolomics and will look at metabolites, cannabinoids, turpenes and 42 other aspects of each sample, he says.

The pot expert plans to see the study published by spring. He hopes in the end the research will establish new guidelines for naming strains so that they're consistent from dispensary to dispensary and, more importantly, so that they actually mean something to the consumer.

Raber:

You need a better classification system. We need a new naming system. We're at the forefront of being able to do that.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:55 pm
by Sconeofark
He's right;

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OG Kush is meaningless.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:10 pm
by bentech
did he say he holds a BS in Ph'D???

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:25 pm
by twilson
The really controversial issue is not that there is no difference.

The issue is the ridiculous price. Poor people should be paying very little for their medical marijuana. Scumbags that make big money off sickness are the worst kind of parasite and that includes a lot of doctors.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:02 am
by Sconeofark
Actually its a bachelors in arts, because hes a bullshit artist.

Welcome to Chernobyl!

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I think I'll call this one purple catpiss brain-enema #9

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:03 am
by Jesús Malverde
One can hardly expect a black market to hew to strict controls or standards. Add in the fact that there are no labeling or quality controls in place (obviously) and further that what are referred to as "strains" are generally nothing more than essentially random progeny of unstable polyhybrids making the whole naming convention in place close to meaningless. The cannabis genetics status quo is equal parts grift, marketing, smoke and mirrors. As cannabis legalization rolls out we *should* ditch the nomenclature of the black market, it is both unhelpful and nearly meaningless. I hope ten or fifteen years from now nobody will be using the fucked up pseudotaxomony that is currently in place.

It will be important to have actual cultivars that can reliably meet a consensus (or even objective pharmacological in the case of medical applications) standard and not to base the future of the plant on pseudostrains and polyhybrid cuttings.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:04 am
by Jesús Malverde
I usually like the mutts that stacked calyxes towards the end.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:08 am
by Sconeofark
Yeah its all bath tub gin, flowers in 8 weeks flat ready or not and dried in a paper bag if your lucky.

As legalization takes hold, more and more of us are gonna come outa the woodwork with stuff that makes the popular strains look like the crap they really are.

That things only week six.., of 12

its a freak, it started out like that, and hell yes I kept a cutting.

It smells like a skunk that had eaten something.., unnatural.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:07 am
by bentech
the local papers been running a series on toxic pot this week...

mold pesticides and so far...
im guessing it will be the poly vinil bags are lined with tomorrow

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:33 am
by Butcher Bob
...a foremost cannabis expert, Jeffrey Raber, who holds a Ph.D. in chemistry...

Raber's company, The Werk Shop, provides testing for medical marijuana dispensaries...
If he's a "foremost cannabis expert", then how come I've never heard of him?

If he's a phd, and his company does work in the medical field, why doesn't he know how to spell work?

Give cutz from the same mother plant to ten different growers and you'll git ten different end results...does this "expert" not understand that genetics is only part of the picture?

I would think b'fore lookin at the core, you'd first hafta scrape off the liars & thieves aspect....then look at environmental effects...b'fore makin conclusions aboot genetics. :facepalm:

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:45 am
by bentech
how about we issue a position paper and drive some publicity???

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:36 pm
by bentech
bentech wrote:the local papers been running a series on toxic pot this week...

mold pesticides and so far...
im guessing it will be the poly vinil bags are lined with tomorrow

my mistake,
today its e-coli and salmonella

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:17 pm
by sockme
lol idk how much different herbs is but theres a big difference n equatorial weed ....sativas and temperate zones weed.....indicas....and they all got diferent medical effects as well as characters to the stonedness or highness duh lmfao......lets hear from 20 year plus herb farmer type experts first huh? lol.....I personally could do a pepsi challenge test with my collection of favorite ladies and I guarantee ya each one tastes smokes n fucks ya up different but in a good way......true though a bunch todays top strains are all multiple crossed hybrids of a couple really outstanding originals for genes like old school lime green paki bud and some the original Mexican and south American highland weed.......herbs as a drug type imho is a recessive offshoot of the much stronger n much more useful rope type hemp and I bet ya a million dollars I am right and why breeding it without an artists touch is just runnin in circles cuz to our ape brains better n better is always stronger n more nd we go in circles with breeding weed over n over with love n tons a work back to rope......... :bannana: :roflmao: ouch :facepalm: oh yah n loveliest girlies up above me thanks for the sweet shots.....hi Im sock n I love weed......

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:05 pm
by country boy
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Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:54 pm
by twilson
The only thing I've ever read about different strains that peaked my interest was reading the stories about Herijuana.

Old experienced stoners ( not lightweights ) who said that ultra high thc strain put them on the floor with only one hit. It sounds like the experience I had eating brownies where you reach a whole different level of being stoned like you never got anywhere close to from just plain old smoking.

Could you imagine eating a brownie made from Herijuana ? You'd probably be stoned for 3 days.

Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:51 pm
by bentech
so the jeffery raber, is a PR guy for the "werc shop" which bills itself as an independant labratory offering...




Analytical Testing Capabilities

Product Development and Formulation

Developing Cannabis Regulations & Quality Control Standards

Phytochemical expertise in dietary supplements & nutraceuticals


an industrial hack offering his services to big business; ie, trying to cut the little guys out. in this case from several different angles.

you can BET that "his guys" already have the BETTER system of classification and YOUR going to have to pay BANK on top of the cost of simple testing, to get one of THEIR NAMES on your package



hes also the guy getting all the articles and quotes this week about toxic pot...

nobody gets in the media if theyr not selling...





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Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:55 pm
by MadMoonMan
As someone who bought a pound of mexican dirt weed maybe in the late 1970's.

chokes from laughing so much tears force me cto cstop typingl

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Marijuana strains are meaningless, expert says

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:07 pm
by MadMoonMan
Should we discuss current or past Marijuana strains.

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oily panama red?

Columbian commercial?

Thai stick on sticks?

Or new strains?

Such as Chemo.
Blockhead kicked my ass but I've not been able to find it again.

Some strains affect creativity and some don't. Measures of different cannabis compunds. thc cb etc