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We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:50 pm
by smokebreaks
Hi.

I am writing you today because We are the 99%.

We're the architects of job creation.

It is our demand that fuels the need for those who supply.

Tax breaks and incentive dollars that the politicians shovel off to their campaign supporters come from us.

We fund the government and in turn they hand over our money to the banks and all of the other special interests.

We can put a stop to this.

Stand together, work together, and we will make a difference.

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:23 pm
by MadMoonMan
No fucking way in hell I'm letting those farting fucking bastards in.

Death to Evil FUCKiNg fat farting bastards and.. anyone on their side like

uhy..

uyh.

Ok I have a great idea for job creation.

Pay me. unemployment and call it a job.

then I can practice for the nintendo championship.

Its only numbers right?

We can move them around like a rubics cube.

Therefore the Brits should be the nintendo champs of the world .

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:32 pm
by MadMoonMan
lets try 6% of people are in the

LUNATIC FRINGE

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:55 pm
by bentech
if you or anyone thinks they know "who" the 99 are...
just go here and start reading...

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:03 pm
by bentech
heh,
i learned how to buy antibiotics at the pet store back in the 80's

[ been very poor a very long time... ]

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:39 am
by MyronFlorin

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:30 pm
by anu
This Is Awesome: Hacker Group 'Anonymous' Doing Securities Analysis, Attempting To Blow Up Chinese Frauds....Chaoda will suck a chola
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Hacktivist group Anonymous's new securities research branch, dubbed Anon Analytics, recently published a damning report about Chaoda Modern Agriculture, a Chinese vegetable and fruit supplier.

The 38-page report alleges Chaoda has committed “one of the Hong Kong exchange’s largest, and longest running frauds."

It's very reminiscent of model used by Muddy Waters, which has attempted takedowns of Chinese companies, like Sino-Forest.

The report claims the company has duped investors and falsified its financial statements.

From Anon Analytics (PDF):


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Chaoda’s long history as a public company is mired in lies and corporate fraud. Under the cover of inflated capex spending and related party transactions, management has transferred more than US$400M out of Chaoda. In so doing, the Company has overstated its cash balance and falsified its financial statements. The CEO, with the support of the board of directors has invested in risky projects that have robbed shareholders of returns in order to line his own pockets. In an attempt to cover their egregious actions, management has paid a fraudulent company to provide Chaoda positive marketing exposure.

Anon Analytics, which acquires information through "unconventional means" according to its website, claimed all information for the report was obtained legally.

In addition to what is presented here, certain information has been brought to our attention which given its nature we have decided to withhold. However, based on all available information, we believe Chaoda is misleading investors and misrepresenting its operations.

Apparently more is coming.

We will present evidence showing management has actively lied to investors, committed corporate fraud, and enriched itself at the expense of shareholders.

Might be relevant: Last week, Chaoda's top executives were accused by Hong Kong's finance secretary of supplying insider trading to a Fidelity Investment's portfolio manager, who allegedly used the information to trade profitably.

The report includes a legal disclaimer and the group says they do not hold a "direct" position in any of the companies mentioned



Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... z1aPOMLbMo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:44 pm
by MadMoonMan
I spent my life poor and did with out things except for handme downs all my life. Worked my way up learning to work.

Still poor. you guys are shit and you don't got a chance.

Your people are so stoopid you can't spell sheet straight.

It ain't gonna werk in ameriKa bitches.

yew kin continue tew lye tew yer dumass selfs

but wen it cums tew realiity?

cocks and points a 12 gauge double barrel shotgun

git a Job!

everyone has medical care.. just go to the hospital

its all a lies to get control over you

get you to give up your freedom.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:59 pm
by MadMoonMan
if no one knows this yet. I'm going to give away the secrete?

Kan I?

The democarts are being democrated againsted to and don't have the witherall to know it as they chase the "grassroots" arising.

how could the democrat party have descended into such stupidity?

They are chasing after anarchy and the overthrow of the government as their base.

The overthrow of the United States of America's government.

Free market capitalism.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:59 pm
by MadMoonMan
I'm here to protect it and you will not prevail.

excuse me while I go take a bubble bath.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:12 pm
by Dick Hertz
This is an incredible time to be alive.

They are the 54%

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:47 pm
by Maribou Stork
No help from the Tea Party...


A symmetry of hyprocrisy

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:56 pm
by Maribou Stork

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:00 pm
by Jesús Malverde
^^^ Excellent takedown of the overt hypocrisy of the American ruling class and especially (with withering irony) of Obama and Clinton re the OWS protest vs. the Arab Spring.

This is why both the Dems and Reps will have no part in any real solutions.

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:22 pm
by Maribou Stork
Online petition at the link....

http://www.civic.moveon.org/defend_ows/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Defend Occupy Wall Street


At 7 a.m. tomorrow Mayor Bloomberg will effectively evict the Occupy Wall Street protesters from their home in Zuccotti Park.

We have less than 24 hours to stop it.

We need a national groundswell immediately in defense of the protesters, so we can deliver a massive petition to City Hall and Zuccotti Park tonight.

Sign the petition in defense of the protesters and their First Amendment rights and then spread the word to everyone you know.

A compiled petition with your individual comment will be presented to Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Full petition text:

"Mayor Bloomberg: Respect the protesters' First Amendment rights. Don't try to evict Occupy Wall Street."

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:30 pm
by Dick Hertz
This is a cool story, the dudes who had the inspiration.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10 ... t-creators" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I signed your petition Marabou but I almost couldn't. They demanded an American Zip Code and would not accept my Canuck Postal Code, so I dredged the collective sub conscious and came up with 906120, and it worked!

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:53 pm
by Maribou Stork
The 1% will most likely pay even less attention to us Canuks than they do for an online petition, if that is possible. Thanks for your efforts though. :tup:

We are the 99%

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:01 am
by Little Kate Chaos
Is the West waking up?? No, they've (we've) not even got close to desperation yet. You/we have had it so good for so long. You're getting shafted, dealt a bad hand?? You are in good company.

You are the 99%?? Statistics statistics and damned lies?? Here's some statistics to muse over whilst sat on a computer with 24/7 online access to whip yourselves in to a frenzy of woe.

I'm losing my job just before Xmas. :mrgreen:
Almost half the world — over three billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day.

At least 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day.Source 1

More than 80 percent of the world’s population lives in countries where income differentials are widening.Source 2

The poorest 40 percent of the world’s population accounts for 5 percent of global income. The richest 20 percent accounts for three-quarters of world income.Source 3

According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death.”Source 4

Around 27-28 percent of all children in developing countries are estimated to be underweight or stunted. The two regions that account for the bulk of the deficit are South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.

If current trends continue, the Millennium Development Goals target of halving the proportion of underweight children will be missed by 30 million children, largely because of slow progress in Southern Asia and sub-Saharan Africa.Source 5

Based on enrollment data, about 72 million children of primary school age in the developing world were not in school in 2005; 57 per cent of them were girls. And these are regarded as optimistic numbers.Source 6

Nearly a billion people entered the 21st century unable to read a book or sign their names.Source 7

Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn’t happen.Source 8

Infectious diseases continue to blight the lives of the poor across the world. An estimated 40 million people are living with HIV/AIDS, with 3 million deaths in 2004. Every year there are 350–500 million cases of malaria, with 1 million fatalities: Africa accounts for 90 percent of malarial deaths and African children account for over 80 percent of malaria victims worldwide.Source 9

Water problems affect half of humanity:

•Some 1.1 billion people in developing countries have inadequate access to water, and 2.6 billion lack basic sanitation.
•Almost two in three people lacking access to clean water survive on less than $2 a day, with one in three living on less than $1 a day.
•More than 660 million people without sanitation live on less than $2 a day, and more than 385 million on less than $1 a day.
•Access to piped water into the household averages about 85% for the wealthiest 20% of the population, compared with 25% for the poorest 20%.
•1.8 billion people who have access to a water source within 1 kilometre, but not in their house or yard, consume around 20 litres per day. In the United Kingdom the average person uses more than 50 litres of water a day flushing toilets (where average daily water usage is about 150 liters a day. The highest average water use in the world is in the US, at 600 liters day.)
•Some 1.8 million child deaths each year as a result of diarrhoea
•The loss of 443 million school days each year from water-related illness.
•Close to half of all people in developing countries suffering at any given time from a health problem caused by water and sanitation deficits.
•Millions of women spending several hours a day collecting water.
•To these human costs can be added the massive economic waste associated with the water and sanitation deficit.… The costs associated with health spending, productivity losses and labour diversions … are greatest in some of the poorest countries. Sub-Saharan Africa loses about 5% of GDP, or some $28.4 billion annually, a figure that exceeds total aid flows and debt relief to the region in 2003.Source 10
Number of children in the world
2.2 billion
Number in poverty
1 billion (every second child)
Shelter, safe water and health
For the 1.9 billion children from the developing world, there are:

•640 million without adequate shelter (1 in 3)
•400 million with no access to safe water (1 in 5)
•270 million with no access to health services (1 in 7)
Children out of education worldwide
121 million
Survival for children
Worldwide,

•10.6 million died in 2003 before they reached the age of 5 (same as children population in France, Germany, Greece and Italy)
•1.4 million die each year from lack of access to safe drinking water and adequate sanitation
Health of children
Worldwide,

•2.2 million children die each year because they are not immunized
•15 million children orphaned due to HIV/AIDS (similar to the total children population in Germany or United Kingdom)
Source 11

Rural areas account for three in every four people living on less than US$1 a day and a similar share of the world population suffering from malnutrition. However, urbanization is not synonymous with human progress. Urban slum growth is outpacing urban growth by a wide margin.Source 12

Approximately half the world’s population now live in cities and towns. In 2005, one out of three urban dwellers (approximately 1 billion people) was living in slum conditions.Source 13

In developing countries some 2.5 billion people are forced to rely on biomass—fuelwood, charcoal and animal dung—to meet their energy needs for cooking. In sub-Saharan Africa, over 80 percent of the population depends on traditional biomass for cooking, as do over half of the populations of India and China.Source 14

Indoor air pollution resulting from the use of solid fuels [by poorer segments of society] is a major killer. It claims the lives of 1.5 million people each year, more than half of them below the age of five: that is 4000 deaths a day. To put this number in context, it exceeds total deaths from malaria and rivals the number of deaths from tuberculosis

http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/ ... -and-stats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:20 am
by Butcher Bob
I made my own sign. :)


I am almost 50. I have NO debt. I have NO credit cards. I OWN my home. I did not borrow money to pay for college. I have not worked a job in over 10 YEARS, because no one is willing to pay a fair value. I pay $8,000 a year for my own health insurance. I have never bought a new car, because I could not afford it. I did not buy a big lavish house, because I could not afford it. I do not go on expensive vacations, because I can not afford them. I do not have a motorcycle, boat, camper, smowmobile, jet ski, 2nd car, ect., because I could not afford them. I do not ski, golf, attend sporting events, etc., because I can not afford them. I do not have an i-phone, lap top, mp3 player, or any other high-tech personal items, because I can not afford them. I do not have TV service or a land-line phone, because I can not afford them. I did not get married, because I could not afford to. I did not have kids, because I could not afford to. I do not have pets, because I can not afford them. I have a disability, but I do not collect disability.


Except for my age and being unemployed, I am nothing like the 99% who feel entitled to all that crap....yet I'm stuck with these idiots, because I am one of them.
:facepalm:

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:42 pm
by bentech
christ your an evil fuck bob!


like those few human begging the aliens to take them,
in the middle of your aliens slaughter of the humans

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:19 pm
by Butcher Bob
Did you enjoy yer shoppin trip to Wal-Mart, you terrorist fuk? :mrgreen:

Do you not know the banks are cheatin folks?...have bin since they were invented, ain't nuttin new. Why then do you give them business, borrowin money to buy foriegn crap?...then you wonder why you got no job. :facepalm:

The one thing that makes me sick aboot this whole movement, is the amount of debt these idiots sign their fukkin name to....you signed, you spent, you pay. If you kin not afford to pay, it means you have piss poor plannin skills, and should not be allowed to manage yer own money, let alone be allowed to borrow other folk's money to "manage" as well.

I'm all fer chokin the bankers, but I don't think anybody should have their loans forgiven. Can't pay?...too fukkin bad, you should lose everything then. :winky:

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:25 pm
by bubbabush
I'm so much luckier than most. Between my VA and SSD pensions and my side job I make enough to get by. Still, I lost almost 300k of equity in my house since '07 -20 years of payments and appreciation down the drain; both of my kids are long-term unemployed and my wife's employer keeps cutting jobs. In my neighborhood, the working-middle class is dying.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:23 pm
by Dick Hertz
The times, they are a changin. This is our world and we can make whatever reality we want.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:28 pm
by bentech
bobs one of those old coots,

wants to be sure illegals and anyone else whos lifestyle he doesnt like,

isnt allowed to get healthcare, or at least, isnt allowed to sit in a waiting room with him, or get as good of service as him.

we tell these fucks " you know, the second everyone gets to be treated no questions asked, the waiting room disappears and the care you can afford suddenly increases in value 20 times over"

theyre response???

" will the illegals and unemployed be getting this too??? if so, im not having any!"


they want to punish so bad they will cut their own feet off to do it

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:31 am
by roller24
Im 99% sure that the OWS folks are being slightly misguided.
Economic hard times drive people to knee jerk reactions.
Common sense will always prevail over ideology, because reality is, and Utopia is'nt.
The idea that raising corporate taxes and burdensome regulations will somehow improve the economic outlook of America is unrealistic. The Corporations pass these expenses down to the end user in calculating their costs and fees, and write it off as a cost of doing business. When the cost of goods is driven upward to a point of making competition difficult, then the Jobs are going overseas, that is the socialist way of global market redistribution of wealth.
It was Government regulations pursuant of wealth redistribution that mandated the banks to make the very loans which brought down the Housing, and Mortgage markets.
It should be an occupation of Pennsylvania Ave. as Well as wall street.
And yes, of course the Large Corporations are Supporting the very politicians including the POTUS, with Large donations to their campaign coffers, knowing full well, that the same will demonize them with even more taxes and expensive regulations. Why?
Because they know that they are so well established that they can weather the storm, but that most competitors of a smaller scale, and individuals or companies wishing to establish a business within that market will not. In short, the competition is priced out of the game, securing corporate giants a stronghold on the entire market share.
It's a partnership in global domination. Two heads of the same monster, yet the OWS crowd seems to be under the impression that one will control the other, the reality being that they are the controlled, playing their part in fueling the machine.

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:01 am
by Jesús Malverde
roller24 wrote:Im 99% sure that the OWS folks are being slightly misguided.
Economic hard times drive people to knee jerk reactions.
Common sense will always prevail over ideology, because reality is, and Utopia is'nt.
The idea that raising corporate taxes and burdensome regulations will somehow improve the economic outlook of America is unrealistic. The Corporations pass these expenses down to the end user in calculating their costs and fees, and write it off as a cost of doing business. When the cost of goods is driven upward to a point of making competition difficult, then the Jobs are going overseas, that is the socialist way of global market redistribution of wealth.
It was Government regulations pursuant of wealth redistribution that mandated the banks to make the very loans which brought down the Housing, and Mortgage markets.
It should be an occupation of Pennsylvania Ave. as Well as wall street.
And yes, of course the Large Corporations are Supporting the very politicians including the POTUS, with Large donations to their campaign coffers, knowing full well, that the same will demonize them with even more taxes and expensive regulations. Why?
Because they know that they are so well established that they can weather the storm, but that most competitors of a smaller scale, and individuals or companies wishing to establish a business within that market will not. In short, the competition is priced out of the game, securing corporate giants a stronghold on the entire market share.
It's a partnership in global domination. Two heads of the same monster, yet the OWS crowd seems to be under the impression that one will control the other, the reality being that they are the controlled, playing their part in fueling the machine.
This post is filled with so much misinformed content and erroneous reasoning that one scarcely knows where to begin dismantling it. Maybe life's too short to talk sense to idiots who are hell bent on not understanding it. Enjoy your delusions R24. Those OWS crowds are fighting for you even though you aren't smart enough to realize it.

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:23 am
by Butcher Bob
Fuk off Ben. You want toys, PAY fer 'em...quit borrowin money you can't pay back. I am so tired of folks who can't pay, complainin. Do you know wut you did?...I mean besides purchase shit you shouldn't have. You stole that opportunity of borrowing, from someone who CAN afford to pay. Same bullshit the derivatives market succumbed to...inability to pay. So stop rewardin yerself b'fore ya've done a fukkin thing, and git to work if ya want shit.

All these folks livin WAY beyond their means, expectin others to pick up the tab. :facepalm:
roller24 wrote:Im 99% sure that the OWS folks are being slightly misguided.
And you would be wrong. :winky:

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:46 am
by Jesús Malverde
roller24 wrote:Im 99% sure that the OWS folks are being slightly misguided.
Economic hard times drive people to knee jerk reactions.
Common sense will always prevail over ideology, because reality is, and Utopia is'nt.
The idea that raising corporate taxes and burdensome regulations will somehow improve the economic outlook of America is unrealistic. The Corporations pass these expenses down to the end user in calculating their costs and fees, and write it off as a cost of doing business. When the cost of goods is driven upward to a point of making competition difficult, then the Jobs are going overseas, that is the socialist way of global market redistribution of wealth.
It was Government regulations pursuant of wealth redistribution that mandated the banks to make the very loans which brought down the Housing, and Mortgage markets.
It should be an occupation of Pennsylvania Ave. as Well as wall street.
And yes, of course the Large Corporations are Supporting the very politicians including the POTUS, with Large donations to their campaign coffers, knowing full well, that the same will demonize them with even more taxes and expensive regulations. Why?
Because they know that they are so well established that they can weather the storm, but that most competitors of a smaller scale, and individuals or companies wishing to establish a business within that market will not. In short, the competition is priced out of the game, securing corporate giants a stronghold on the entire market share.
It's a partnership in global domination. Two heads of the same monster, yet the OWS crowd seems to be under the impression that one will control the other, the reality being that they are the controlled, playing their part in fueling the machine.
Pedantic aside: why is it that semi-literate right wingnuts so frequently use inappropriate capitalizations? It's puzzlingly endemic in their written discourse. It's like they all went to the same backwoods school whose crazy English teacher made up her own rules for spelling.

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:49 pm
by roller24
Jesús Malverde wrote: This post is filled with so much misinformed content and erroneous reasoning that one scarcely knows where to begin dismantling it. Maybe life's too short to talk sense to idiots who are hell bent on not understanding it.
But not so short you can't spend time tagging Capitalisation with bold fonts.
:roflmao:

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:43 pm
by bentech
"The idea that raising corporate taxes and burdensome regulations will somehow improve the economic outlook of America is unrealistic. The Corporations pass these expenses down to the end user in calculating their costs and fees, and write it off as a cost of doing business."

oh common roller,

you want us to feel bad for the consumers of products we dont purchase, suddenly having to PAY their full cost... and the woe paying your own way would entail?

thats what hes saying; we dont dare stop the government forcing the public to subsidize the cost of these products for their consumers...

because the consumers will go elsewhere...

then where will we be?!?!?!?!?


heh

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:44 pm
by bentech
Butcher Bob wrote:Fuk off Ben. You want toys, PAY fer 'em...


the only people talking about defending their toys are you rich fucks; the rest of us are talking ESSENTIALS for the excercise of the right to life, a whole nother subject your afraid to address as it is


quit borrowin money you can't pay back. I am so tired of folks who can't pay, complainin. Do you know wut you did?...I mean besides purchase shit you shouldn't have.





You stole that opportunity of borrowing, from someone who CAN afford to pay. Same bullshit the derivatives market succumbed to...inability to pay.



heh, running with whabs bylines eh? poor people made you rich people suffer???



So stop rewardin yerself b'fore ya've done a fukkin thing, and git to work if ya want shit.

there are no jobs knucklehead;





All these folks livin WAY beyond their means, expectin others to pick up the tab.

mirror

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:05 pm
by Butcher Bob
bentech wrote:"The idea that raising corporate taxes and burdensome regulations will somehow improve the economic outlook of America is unrealistic. The Corporations pass these expenses down to the end user in calculating their costs and fees, and write it off as a cost of doing business."

oh common roller,

you want us to feel bad for the consumers of products we dont purchase, suddenly having to PAY their full cost... and the woe paying your own way would entail?

thats what hes saying; we dont dare stop the government forcing the public to subsidize the cost of these products for their consumers...

because the consumers will go elsewhere...

then where will we be?!?!?!?!?


heh
That one actually makes sense Ben... :) ...and it's right too. :mrgreen:
bentech wrote:the only people talking about defending their toys are you rich fucks; the rest of us are talking ESSENTIALS for the excercise of the right to life, a whole nother subject your afraid to address as it is
:roflmao: Yeah, those student loans, those were essential, right?...and those $500K mortgages, those were essential too?...or the payments on over-sized SUVs, those too eh?

Look, if you can't pay yer electric now, cuz ya spent on all that crap & hafta pay now, I don't feel sorry fer you. Why should I? :dunno:
heh, running with whabs bylines eh? poor people made you rich people suffer???
I ain't rich, not by any means. I jus don't waste my money. Almost everyone I know has more than I do...and they have the debt to show for it.
there are no jobs knucklehead;
If you want a job, it's out there. Won't pay shit, but it's there none the less. Maybe that will motivate you to find a better way to earn money. :winky:
mirror
Really, I did not know that many folks lived this far below the poverty level. :stinkeye:

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:18 pm
by roller24
bentech wrote:
oh common roller,

you want us to feel bad for the consumers of products we dont purchase, suddenly having to PAY their full cost... and the woe paying your own way would entail?

thats what hes saying; we dont dare stop the government forcing the public to subsidize the cost of these products for their consumers...

because the consumers will go elsewhere...

then where will we be?!?!?!?!?


heh
The formation of the Global Socialisation in which you are witnessing will not be the Utopian society that your ideology leads you and the socialist advocates to believe will be the outcome. This movement began long before 9/17, and was planned, and implemented by the very banks and industrial giants which you oppose. The socialists within the governing bodies know full well that this is the case and are partnered with them. Read some Anthony Sutton if you would like to here the documented history of partnership.
I don't claim any valid disagreements with basis for the OWS movement, I Just think they cannot see the forest for the trees.

We are the 99%

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:26 am
by bentech
"The formation of the Global Socialisation in which you are witnessing will not be the Utopian society that your ideology leads you and the socialist advocates to believe will be the outcome."


you fucking scumbags!

sit the hell down, shut the fuck up dumbass,

the formation of the global socialist whatever will not be the product of our ambitions... it will be the product of our ambitions having to strike a deal with capital and the villians your always stumpin for retaining

got that?

the failings are YOUR DOING,
not our fault

We are the 99%

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:02 am
by roller24
bentech wrote:


the formation of the global socialist whatever will not be the product of our ambitions... it will be the product of our ambitions having to strike a deal with capital and the villians your always stumpin for retaining

got that?

the failings are YOUR DOING,
not our fault
your giving me way more credit than I deserve. :smoke:

We are the 99%

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:36 pm
by bentech
im speaking to the words which have been put into your mouth

not to your for hanging it open

We are the 99%

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:06 pm
by anu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGmOvu3G ... r_embedded" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Occupy London Protestor's rant down Babylon Sotheby's fukkin Sotheby's is bad for art

We are the 99%

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:28 pm
by Dick Hertz
Just gve it time my friends OWS is going to devour the Tea Party.
Tea Partiers are the suggestable persons among us, once they see which way the wind is blowing they will fall into line.
It's the undecideds that we must reach out to.
I spent the 15th Occupying St.James Park in Toronto and I have been back a couple times with canned food and the devils lettuce.
This sums up my feelings about this movement,
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opin ... all-street" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was asked weeks ago by some in the Occupy Wall Street movement to make suggestions for how to frame the movement. I have hesitated so far, because I think the movement should be framing itself. It's a general principle: Unless you frame yourself, others will frame you - the media, your enemies, your competitors, your well-meaning friends. I have so far hesitated to offer suggestions. But the movement appears to maturing and entering a critical time when small framing errors could have large negative consequences. So I thought it might be helpful to accept the invitation and start a discussion of how the movement might think about framing itself.

About framing: It's normal. Everybody engages in it all the time. Frames are just structures of thought that we use every day. All words in all languages are defined in terms of frame-circuits in the brain. But, ultimately, framing is about ideas, about how we see the world, which determines how we act.

In politics, frames are part of competing moral systems that are used in political discourse and in charting political action. In short, framing is a moral enterprise: it says what the character of a movement is. All politics is moral. Political figures and movements always make policy recommendations claiming they are the right things to do. No political figure ever says, do what I say because it's wrong! Or because it doesn't matter! Some moral principles or other lie behind every political policy agenda.

Two Moral Framing Systems in Politics

Conservatives have figured out their moral basis and you see it on Wall Street: It includes: The primacy of self-interest. Individual responsibility, but not social responsibility. Hierarchical authority based on wealth or other forms of power. A moral hierarchy of who is "deserving," defined by success. And the highest principle is the primacy of this moral system itself, which goes beyond Wall Street and the economy to other arenas: family life, social life, religion, foreign policy, and especially government. Conservative "democracy" is seen as a system of governance and elections that fits this model.

Though OWS concerns go well beyond financial issues, your target is right: the application of these principles in Wall Street is central, since that is where the money comes from for elections, for media, and for right-wing policy-making institutions of all sorts on all issues.

The alternative view of democracy is progressive: Democracy starts with citizens caring about one another and acting responsibly on that sense of care, taking responsibility both for oneself and for one's family, community, country, people in general, and the planet. The role of government is to protect and empower all citizens equally via The Public: public infrastructure, laws and enforcement, health, education, scientific research, protection, public lands, transportation, resources, art and culture, trade policies, safety nets, and on and on. Nobody makes it one their own. If you got wealthy, you depended on The Public, and you have a responsibility to contribute significantly to The Public so that others can benefit in the future. Moreover, the wealthy depend on those who work, and who deserve a fair return for their contribution to our national life. Corporations exist to make life better for most people. Their reason for existing is as public as it is private.

A disproportionate distribution of wealth robs most citizens of access to the resources controlled by the wealthy. Immense wealth is a thief. It takes resources from the rest of the population - the best places to live, the best food, the best educations, the best health facilities, access to the best in nature and culture, the best professionals, and on and on. Resources are limited, and great wealth greatly limits access to resources for most people.

It appears to me that OWS has a progressive moral vision and view of democracy, and that what it is protesting is the disastrous effects that have come from operating with a conservative moral, economic, and political worldview. I see OWS as primarily a moral movement, seeking economic and political changes to carry out that moral movement - whatever those particular changes might be.

A Moral Focus for Occupy Wall Street

I think it is a good thing that the occupation movement is not making specific policy demands. If it did, the movement would become about those demands. If the demands were not met, the movement would be seen as having failed.

It seems to me that the OWS movement is moral in nature, that occupiers want the country to change its moral focus. It is easy to find useful policies; hundreds have been suggested. It is harder to find a moral focus and stick to it. If the movement is to frame itself, it should be on the basis of its moral focus, not a particular agenda or list of policy demands. If the moral focus of America changes, new people will be elected and the policies will follow. Without a change of moral focus, the conservative worldview that has brought us to the present disastrous and dangerous moment will continue to prevail.

We Love America. We're Here to Fix It

I see OWS as a patriotic movement, based on a deep and abiding love of country - a patriotism that it is not just about the self-interests of individuals, but about what the country is and is to be. Do Americans care about other citizens, or mainly just about themselves? That's what love of America is about. I therefore think it is important to be positive, to be clear about loving America, seeing it in need of fixing, and not just being willing to fix it, but being willing to take to the streets to fix it. A populist movement starts with the people seeing that they are all in the same boat and being ready to come together to fix the leaks.

Publicize the Public

Tell the truth about The Public, that nobody makes it purely on their own without The Public, that is, without public infrastructure, the justice system, health, education, scientific research, protections of all sorts, public lands, transportation, resources, art and culture, trade policies, safety nets, … That is a truth to be told day after day. It is an idea that must take hold in public discourse. It must go beyond what I and others have written about it and beyond what Elizabeth Warren has said in her famous video. The Public is not opposed to The Private. The Public is what makes The Private possible. And it is what makes freedom possible. Wall Street exists only through public support. It has a moral obligation to direct itself to public needs.

All OWS approaches to policy follow from such a moral focus. Here are a handful examples.

Democracy should be about the 99%

Money directs our politics. In a democracy, that must end. We need publicly supported elections, however that is to be arranged.

Strong Wages Make a Strong America

Middle-class wages have not gone up significantly in 30 years, and there is conservative pressure to lower them. But when most people get more money, they spend it and spur the economy, making the economy and the country stronger, as well as making their individual lives better. This truth needs to be central to public economic discourse.

Global Citizenship

America has been a moral beacon to the world. It can function as such only if it sets an example of what a nation should be.

Do we have to spend more on the military that all other nations combined? Do we really need hundreds of military bases abroad?

Nature

We are part of nature. Nature makes us, and all that we love, possible. Yet we are destroying Nature through global warming and other forms of ecological destruction, like fracking and deep-water drilling.

At a global scale, nature is systemic: its effects are neither local nor linear. Global warming is causing the ferocity of the monster storms, tornados, floods, blizzards, heat waves, and fires that have devastated huge areas of our country. The hotter the atmosphere, the more evaporated water and the more energy going into storms, tornados, and blizzards. Global warming cannot be shown to cause any particular storm, but when a storm system forms, global warming will ramp up the power of the storm and the amount of water it carries. In winter, evaporated water from the overly heated Pacific will go into the atmosphere, blow northeast over the arctic, and fall as record snows.

We depend on nature - on clean air, water, food, and a livable climate. And we find beauty and grandeur in nature, and a sense of awe that makes life worth living. A love of country requires a love of nature. And a fair and thriving economy requires the preservation of nature as we have known it.

Summary

OWS is a moral and patriotic movement. It sees Democracy as flowing from citizens caring about one another as well as themselves, and acting with both personal and social responsibility. Democratic governance is about The Public, and the liberty that The Public provides for a thriving Private Sphere. From such a democracy flows fairness, which is incompatible with a hugely disproportionate distribution of wealth. And from the sense of care implicit in such a democracy flows a commitment to the preservation of nature.

From what I have seen of most members of OWS, your individual concerns all flow from one moral focus.

Elections

The Tea Party solidified the power of the conservative worldview via elections. OWS will have no long-term effect unless it too brings its moral focus to the 2012 elections. Insist on supporting candidates that have your overall moral views, no matter what the local issues are.

A Warning

This movement could be destroyed by negativity, by calls for revenge, by chaos, or by having nothing positive to say. Be positive about all things and state the moral basis of all suggestions. Positive and moral in calling for debt relief. Positive and moral in upholding laws, as they apply to finances. Positive and moral in calling for fairness in acquiring needed revenue. Positive and moral in calling for clean elections. To be effective, your movement must be seen by all of the 99% as positive and moral. To get positive press, you must stress the positive and the moral.

Remember: The Tea Party sees itself as stressing only individual responsibility. The Occupation Movement is stressing both individual and social responsibility.

I believe, and I think you believe, that most Americans care about their fellow citizens as well as themselves. Let's find out! Shout your moral and patriotic views out loud, regularly. Put them on your signs. Repeat them to the media. Tweet them. And tell everyone you know to do the same. You have to use your own language with your own framing and you have to repeat it over and over for the ideas to sink in.

Occupy elections: voter registration drives, town hall meetings, talk radio airtime, party organizations, nomination campaigns, election campaigns, and voting booths.

Above all: Frame yourselves before others frame you.

George Lakoff is the author of "Moral Politics, Don't Think of an Elephant!," "Whose Freedom?," and "Thinking Points" (with the Rockridge Institute staff). He is Richard and Rhoda Goldman Distinguished Professor of Cognitive Science and Linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley, and a founding senior fellow at the Rockridge Institute

Pretty smart guy eh?
I am taking my tent down there, but I will probably give it to this really nice homeless guy Eric who has been living in the park since long before we arrived.

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:47 am
by Lrus007


used to have money not much any more.
got food, a well, a house and gun's and ammo.
i did not get myself in debt like many around me.
i have never owned a new car tho mine is wore out
and needs replacing. i alway's saved up to buy thing's.
i have used credit but only to build credit. i do not like
obama's way of doing things. i feel sorry for these OWS
kid's because they do not see the big picture. if you got
a loan to go to school you need to pay it. nothing's free.
as for taxes there to high for everyone rich and poor.
the fed gov needs to trim the fat. drop the red tape for
small business to start to grow and hire. lastly try to buy
thing's made in the usa not always easy but try.
just my opinion and no i am not the 99% i am the 15%
broke crazy and mad, with honor and manners.

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:16 pm
by smokebreaks
Why is it that the federal staffers don't have to pay their school loans? Is this is a good use of our tax dollars? Seriously they're being used to pay for a privileged few to obtain higher education, and that doesn't seem fair.

FACT SHEET
Description

The Federal student loan repayment program permits agencies to repay Federally insured student loans as a recruitment or retention incentive for candidates or current employees of the agency. The program implements 5 U.S.C. 5379, which authorizes agencies to set up their own student loan repayment programs to attract or retain highly qualified employees.
Employee Coverage

Any employee (as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2105) is eligible, except those occupying a position excepted from the competitive civil service because of their confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating nature (e.g., Schedule C appointees).
Loans Eligible for Payment

Loans eligible for payment are those made, insured, or guaranteed under parts B, D, or E of title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 or a health education assistance loan made or insured under part A of title VII or part E of title VIII of the Public Health Service Act. (See Q&A 17 for examples of the types of student loans that are eligible for repayment.)
Limitations

Although the student loan is not forgiven, agencies may make payments to the loan holder of up to a maximum of $10,000 for an employee in a calendar year and a total of not more than $60,000 for any one employee.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:32 pm
by Jesús Malverde
Free secondary only education made sense when that was the level of education demanded by most employers, now employers generally demand a post-secondary degree. It's in everyone's interest that as many qualified students as possible have the educational qualifications the economy demands. It makes no sense to provide disincentives for this to occur or to saddle the people who do the "right thing" and prepare themselves to be productive contributing members of society with a crippling debt load just as they go the the job market.

In Germany they have free post secondary education up to the doctoral level and they have a better educated more productive workforce as a result. This allows them to profitably make stuff other people actually want to buy and makes them economically strong. Americans are Obsessed with throwing up obstacles to people them deriding them when they cannot overcome those obstacles. It's a relatively very mean spirited and punitive culture, morally challenged.

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:34 am
by MyronFlorin

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:51 pm
by anu
Capitalism must DIE for the sake of all living beings !
P.R. SARKAR propounder of Progressive Utilization Theory :roll:

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:19 pm
by MyronFlorin

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:01 pm
by messy slob
Americans are Obsessed with throwing up obstacles to people them deriding them when they cannot overcome those obstacles. It's a relatively very mean spirited and punitive culture, morally challenged.
Here Here!!!


Damn Myron those are lame, there has to be funnier shit than that available.

Tea party hoopla fades on the Hill
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Recently there has been a lot of discussion about capitalism in the news and among activists. Many people are taking stances on either one side of the issue or the other, but very few are stopping to consider the fact that capitalism may have never existed in the first place...
http://www.activistpost.com/2011/10/has ... erica.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;







Want To Defeat The Banks? Stop Participating In The System!
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/301- ... the-system" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:02 am
by Butcher Bob
"When you've got this kind of economic disparity between people on the line, it's not something that can go on for a long period of time."



...oh no, wait....my bad....that Chysler's CEO's reasoning to reduce the wages of 87% of his hourly workers....so sorry. :p

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:46 pm
by bentech
you know how many parties involved have to be prevented from contributing in order for that ceo to use that phrase to describe just the opposite?

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:09 pm
by Dick Hertz
This sign is starting to pop up around Oakland.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:31 pm
by anu
i have issues with the ows movement at the moment and am thinking more tents n bags are NOT what they need; they need to cut the Zucotti park umbilical chord; quite thinking lika cum-bay-ya party; take the revolution on their backs; split up into movable hordes that will occupy different places; hit it and run to the next; right now, they are depending on the generosity of the enemy (not too brilliant) and REACTING to what the pigs do; defense is never a good place to operate from...especially if one is NOT gonna defend a fuking thing; standing around while that cop pepper-sprayed the sitting students, was the last straw for me; by splitting up and occupying various places, you effectively divide the enemy as well; Nietzsche had something to say about people that have consistently bad things happen to them: something like: "after a while, one starts to think that they deserve it" human nature is this way and OWS better snap the fuk outta it; i am betting that you did NOT expect to hear this from me today :D from Barbara A.

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:41 pm
by bentech
their already everywhere,

its not they need to stop occupying,
they need to be more disruptive

guerilla occupation


la eviction tonight,

on paper or in practice?

we shall see

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:59 am
by Mud Boy
When the violence starts, I've got plenty of rocks and bottles for everyone. :shithitfan:

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:38 pm
by anu
sure...get 99% of the poorest fuckin americans to pay for the war,oil company's...no they can't donate,weapons manufacturer's nope,the world owes them a living,the 270 millionaires in the House,no that family money was made off of vietnam muthafukkas

for christ sake there are hippies havin sex in tents downtown,that's SEX IN PUBLIC,tents are fucking evil

listen to your tribal voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK1CERQw ... 5wjRPGoqvP" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:21 pm
by bentech
about 4000 people showed up sunday night,
the regular crowd is mostly in the 5 hundred range so this was huge


the cops were almost non existant until after midnight

later,
they made a show of force, but didnt do nothing except standoff with the occupiers who had taken the streets.

once the occupiers moved back into the park,
the cops folded up and left.

must have been 50 helicopters flying around


its insane the public dialogue is entirely absent the contrast between a supposedly broke city and this extravagant display of wasteful spending

their treating like a war though,

no press are allowed in the park now unless theyre imbedded

have id issued by the lapd.

theyre also restricting which media can be on the seen watching,

using a lottery system for that

heil fucking hitler

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:44 pm
by anu
that was a good crowd ben !! are they goin out and doin sorties ? wish i have the vids what seattle was doin last friday,they did a flash mob dance at a heavily trafficed location mall or downtown? but as the commentator you thought any minute dirty demonstrators were gonna interrupt this throng of 80 babes doing a fancy dance,no ! the 80 babes were all revolutionaries,all gorgeous,all the time,there were also groups of carroler's who went around singing inside malls last friday,if any one's group has a interesting workshop that was givien in the park please tell us about it.Van Jones may or may not be your idea of a Obama Ex-Marxist Brigade but he has gone around and given workshops about what i don't know but at 20 OWS locations.

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:09 pm
by bentech
-lapd-

effectively immediately, no news truck, vehicle, or equipment is allowed to be curbside anywhere in visible sight of the park and the whole way around city hall

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:12 pm
by bentech
Poll: Majority of Californians Agree With Reasons Behind Occupy Protests | A new Field Poll conducted in California finds that 58 percent of respondents agreed with the cause behind the Occupy Wall Street-allied protests that are rocking their state. The poll also found that 46 percent of Californians say they directly identify with the movement while 49 percent do not.

We are the 99%

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:13 am
by bentech
mayor Villaraigosa is a fucking piece of shit

christ,
his story is " we had to move in because there were children living there!"

course,
it doesnt bother him one bit that hundreds of children live on the streets a few blocks away in the skid row area

keep out of site poor people!

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:58 pm
by bentech
remember watching polands solidarity movement build?
was like the white version of the iranians revolution a few years earlier

i remember the paper counting them off as they died,
all those hunger strikers
went on for months


this article long, but it mentions of the architects of the polish resistance right off and got me remembering



I first began to think along these lines myself several decades back when I had the privilege of reporting from Poland during the early ’80s and thereby got to witness the astonishing Solidarity upsurge firsthand. As it happens, one of the principal architects of that seismic convulsion, Adam Michnik, was in town a few weeks back and paid a visit to the Occupy Wall Street encampment in full bloom. We were talking a few hours afterward, and he told me he’d recognized a kindred spirit. “Sort of like Poland a few years before the actual Solidarity uprising in 1980,” he explained. “The prologue to that moment, say Poland in 1976, when Polish workers began to rise up and say ‘no.’ They weren’t yet sure what it was they wanted, what they wanted to say ‘yes’ to, but they had become absolutely convinced of what they did not want, what they could no longer abide—and that is the beginning of the end for the regime.”


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The truly revolutionary advance in that declaration is contained not so much in such words as “truths,” “self-evident,” “unalienable,” or “created equal” as in the calm self-certainty of that opening phrase: “We hold.” The text does not launch out with “It is manifestly self-evident that” or some similar construction, as strict logic might seem to dictate. I mean, either it is or it isn’t self-evident, right? Except that in this instance, the self-evidence of the assertion does in fact remain hidden, fugitive, immanent at best, until people rise up to embrace it, to hold fast to its insistence (mutually pledging their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor in the process). It is holding such truths to be self-evident that first makes them so—and, more specifically, doing so in concert, alongside others.

I first began to think along these lines myself several decades back when I had the privilege of reporting from Poland during the early ’80s and thereby got to witness the astonishing Solidarity upsurge firsthand.


Time to Start Preoccupying Wall Street
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We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:10 am
by Mos`Hamid AKzurie
Before there was the 99%, there were “99ers” — people who were out of work so long their unemployment benefits ran out and left them brok

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:44 pm
by bentech
dont forget the bonus army,

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At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them—an action which prompted the spectators to yell, "Shame! Shame!"
Shacks that members of the Bonus Army erected on the Anacostia Flats burning after the confrontation with the military.

After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was a Communist attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack.

We are the 99%

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:21 pm
by Dick Hertz
That was back in the days of chivalry sir,
and as you know far too well, chivalry is dead.

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:32 am
by BAMF
but I would farm for 1.2 mill a year,,, just saying

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:41 pm
by BAMF
Been a 1%'er for a long time now... can I still hang out here?

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:18 pm
by Rush Limbaugh
No.

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:47 pm
by BAMF
No one really listens to RL any more ... :roflmao:

We are the 99%

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:06 pm
by MadMoonMan
a circular shape forms on a frozen lake

Its aliens crop circling us

or normal way lakes freeze

I left off the dumbass cause it does no good

either you believe in crop circle on ice lakes or not makes no difference.

evidence is useless.

MOB comes running down the road yelling! "WE ARE GETTING MESSAGES! BURN YOUR HOMES TO SAVE YOURSELVES!"

We are the 99%

Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 12:08 am
by Sconeofark
99% of marijuana users do not grow it.

That leaves most of 'us' without a whole lot to complain about.

We are the 99%

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:40 pm
by Peace Pipe
It's a shame.

The occupy movement could have accomplished so much more if they had established a list of goals they wanted to accomplish, and gotten some key spokespeople to be leaders of the movement to help carry out these goals.

The civil rights movement succeeded where they had established leadership and goals they sought to accomplish.

Instead the occupy movement had no leadership or clear explanation to many of their activists as to what they wanted to accomplish.

Maybe next time they'll organize things a bit better.

We are the 99%

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:59 pm
by roller24
roller24 wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:31 am
Im 99% sure that the OWS folks are being slightly misguided.
Economic hard times drive people to knee jerk reactions.
Common sense will always prevail over ideology, because reality is, and Utopia is'nt.
The idea that raising corporate taxes and burdensome regulations will somehow improve the economic outlook of America is unrealistic. The Corporations pass these expenses down to the end user in calculating their costs and fees, and write it off as a cost of doing business. When the cost of goods is driven upward to a point of making competition difficult, then the Jobs are going overseas, that is the socialist way of global market redistribution of wealth.
It was Government regulations pursuant of wealth redistribution that mandated the banks to make the very loans which brought down the Housing, and Mortgage markets.
It should be an occupation of Pennsylvania Ave. as Well as wall street.
And yes, of course the Large Corporations are Supporting the very politicians including the POTUS, with Large donations to their campaign coffers, knowing full well, that the same will demonize them with even more taxes and expensive regulations. Why?
Because they know that they are so well established that they can weather the storm, but that most competitors of a smaller scale, and individuals or companies wishing to establish a business within that market will not. In short, the competition is priced out of the game, securing corporate giants a stronghold on the entire market share.
It's a partnership in global domination. Two heads of the same monster, yet the OWS crowd seems to be under the impression that one will control the other, the reality being that they are the controlled, playing their part in fueling the machine.
heh

We are the 99%

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:40 am
by Prawn Connery
And yet, some of the highest taxed countries in the world in Scandanavia and other parts of Europe have some the world's highest standards of living and most educated and innovative populations. Taxation pays for education, healthcare and infrastructure – how's that working out for you in the US, roller?

We are the 99%

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:33 am
by roller24
You obviously misread this post. Taxation's neither the topic or subject of my statement.
My point was that you cannot solicit a solution of higher taxes or stricter regulations from a governing body who is supported by those you are trying to tax/regulate. All theses expenses can be easily absorbed by a global corporation with limitless resources, but inhibit competition by eliminating any entity with insufficient funds to cover massive regulations, hence promoting if not monopolies, strongholds on the market. The costs of compliance is then passed down to the consumer, who in the end, always pay for every expense associated with said corporation's commerce. Who do you think writes the legislation? Obamacare was written by insurance companies' lawyers.

The Scandinavian argument has more to do with size than policy.
Although I'm a Constitutional conservative, I think that any form of government can be effective, to a point.
I'm assuming you are talking about Norway, it seems to be the socialist benchmark for the folks who point at it and say "SEE! Socialism works!!"
Norway is about the size of Florida, and has a population at 5.5mil. The US is 50 times larger in all respects. Your analogy is just evidence to me that I'm right about arguing "globalization" of governments, corporations, banks, etc., will never benefit the individuals, as they will be consumed with benefitting the system. No empathy. Now a sovereign the size of Norway, can maintain empathy for it's population far more efficiently than a super power.
When you buy a pair of shoes, do you think the experience will be better at a Walmart or a Florshiem store?

Communism is probably the best suited form of rule for a micro society, but on the global scale, the ruling empathy is diminished and greed and corruption prevail. I believe this is true for any form of rule, even in a constitutional republic.

My purpose for reposting this 10 year old post, was to reverify that the OWS was not only misguided but subverted by those it targeted. The 1% pretty much bought their way in using NGOs and Open Society, and changed the conflict from a class war to a race war. How? by calling OWS too white insinuating of course that they were themselves, racist, and we all know the argument becomes unarguable when someone calls you a racist. You must first defend yourself from that before you can become "valid", and re-engage the topic initiated. It worked with OWS, and it's been the tactic du jour since.

We are the 99%

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:31 am
by Prawn Connery
What's OWS?

Actually, Norway has lower taxes than the following countries:

Finland
Japan
Denmark
Austria
Sweden
Belgium
Israel
Slovenia
Netherlands
Portugal
Ireland
Spain
France
Germany
UK
Italy
Austria
Switzerland

Ah, fuggit, I can't be arsed listing any more countries but you get the idea. I've left out some of the pissant countries like Ivory Coast and Aruba.

We are the 99%

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:47 pm
by roller24
OWS?

Occupy Wall St. Is now Black Lives Matter

We are the 99%

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:07 pm
by Prawn Connery
Black stock brokers matter?