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This thread is specifically for the mentally retarded Intrinsic...for his reference.
Many people with TDS often lack any understanding of reality...no matter how many times it's presented to them. Any time their views and beliefs are challenged, and they can not defend them, their mind automatically goes into protection mode...orange man bad...MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. They intentionally retard their brain capacity, because they can not deal with reality rationally. And that is to a tee, Intrinsic.
Even after being told dozens of times, Intrinsic does not seem to have the capacity to remember and comprehend who I do and do not support.
So bookmark this thread my mentally challenged friend, for future reference.
Jill Stein is the candidate I support...
...who is the only candidate not supporting Israel's Gaza genocide.
While on the other side, the candidate you support, full-throatedly supports and promotes the genocide.
And you think Trump is bad...while you're standing on the same side with him...idiot.
Many people with TDS often lack any understanding of reality...no matter how many times it's presented to them. Any time their views and beliefs are challenged, and they can not defend them, their mind automatically goes into protection mode...orange man bad...MAGA, MAGA, MAGA. They intentionally retard their brain capacity, because they can not deal with reality rationally. And that is to a tee, Intrinsic.
Even after being told dozens of times, Intrinsic does not seem to have the capacity to remember and comprehend who I do and do not support.
So bookmark this thread my mentally challenged friend, for future reference.
Jill Stein is the candidate I support...
...who is the only candidate not supporting Israel's Gaza genocide.
While on the other side, the candidate you support, full-throatedly supports and promotes the genocide.
And you think Trump is bad...while you're standing on the same side with him...idiot.
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im all for jill stated goals BUT
there is no doubt she is a grifter who isnt for her stated cause
if she were FOR the cause SHE would take THREE YEAR VACATIONS in between MERELY carrying water for gop candidates FOILING democratic candidates efforts to AT LEAST defeat the gop...
there is no doubt she is a grifter who isnt for her stated cause
if she were FOR the cause SHE would take THREE YEAR VACATIONS in between MERELY carrying water for gop candidates FOILING democratic candidates efforts to AT LEAST defeat the gop...
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Have you ever stopped to think, Bob, that he does it on purpose to wind you up?
It seems to have worked.
It seems to have worked.
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fixedben ttech wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:37 pmim all for jill stated goals BUT
there is no doubt she is a grifter who isnt for her stated cause
if she were FOR the cause SHE would'NT take THREE YEAR VACATIONS in between MERELY carrying water for gop candidates FOILING democratic candidates efforts to AT LEAST defeat the gop...
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In 2016, Hillary Clinton lost Wisconsin to Trump by 22,748 votes; Stein carried 31,072 votes. In Michigan the story was similar: Clinton lost to Trump by 10,704 votes while Stein carried 51,463. Ditto for Pennsylvania, where Trump won by 44,292 votes and Stein pulled in 49,941 votes.
As Peter Rothpletz wrote for The New Republic in an article titled Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party:
“As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.”
Stein brought along a Fox “News” film crew when she crashed the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, cementing her reputation as a hustler who’ll hook up with anybody who’ll provide her with fame or fortune.
There are, apparently, no Democrats in America clean or pure or virginal enough for Stein; as Rothpletz reports, she even attacked Bernie Sanders for being a “DC insider” and “corrupted” by corporate money.
Meanwhile, her campaign, theoretically opposed to giant monopolies and defense contractors, has taken money from Google, Lockheed Martin, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, and McKinsey.
Stein is working hard to win the votes of disaffected Muslims in Michigan and Wisconsin, among other swing states, and could well deny Harris the White House this year just like she so proudly did to Clinton in 2016.
The unfortunate reality is that our system of democracy — created way back in 1789 — essentially requires a two-party system because we have first-past-the-post, winner-take-all elections. The result is that third parties always tear votes away from the major party with which they are most closely philosophically aligned.
And the Electoral College, by creating swing states, amplifies the problem.
Most other advanced democracies use a parliamentary or proportional representation system where the party that gets, for example, 12 percent of the votes gets 12 percent of the seats in Parliament. This allows for multiple parties and a more vibrant democracy.
However, it wasn’t until the year the Civil War started, 1861, that British philosopher John Stuart Mill published a how-to manual for multi-party parliamentary democracies in his book Considerations On Representative Government.
It was so widely distributed and read that nearly all of the world’s democracies today — all of them countries that became democracies after the late 1860s — use variations on Mill’s proportional representation parliamentary system.
The result for those nations is a plethora of parties representing a broad range of perspectives and priorities, all able to participate in the daily governance of their nation. Nobody gets shut out.
Governing becomes an exercise in coalition building, and nobody is excluded. If you want to get something done politically, you have to pull together a coalition of parties to agree with your policy.
Most European countries, for example, have political parties represented in their parliaments that range from the far left to the extreme right, with many across the spectrum of the middle. There’s even room for single issue parties; for example, several in Europe focus almost exclusively on the environment or immigration.
The result is typically an honest and wide-ranging discussion across society about the topics of the day, rather than a stilted debate among only two parties.
It’s how the Greens became part of today’s governing coalition in Germany, for example, and are able to influence the energy future of that nation. And because of that political diversity in the debates, the decisions made tend to be reasonably progressive: look at the politics and lifestyles in most European nations.
But until America adopts proportional representation nationwide (which would require a constitutional amendment) or instant runoff voting (which could be done by law), a vote for a third-party candidate will always damage the party most closely aligned with it. Jill Stein understands this well, but chooses to ignore (or to intentionally exploit) its consequences.
The Green Party — that I safely voted for in 2000 when I lived in non-swing-state Vermont — deserves a candidate who’ll work to produce real change rather than simply run repeated vanity campaigns that cripple our admittedly flawed electoral system.
It’s time to say “good bye” to Jill Stein and rescue — and then improve — our democratic republic.
im not with hartmann on everything. fuckers out to lunch on ukraine; entertaining war grifters in that field. dont get it. but regarding stein hes spot on. stein takes big corperate money then spends all of its advertising in swing states.
wtf?!?!
https://hartmannreport.com/p/jill-stein ... y-hand-06e
As Peter Rothpletz wrote for The New Republic in an article titled Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party:
“As of July 2024, a mere 143 officeholders in the United States are affiliated with the Green Party. None of them are in statewide or federal offices. In fact, no Green Party candidate has ever won federal office. And Stein’s reign has been a period of indisputable decline, during which time the party’s membership—which peaked in 2004 at 319,000 registered members—has fallen to 234,000 today.”
Stein brought along a Fox “News” film crew when she crashed the 2016 Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, cementing her reputation as a hustler who’ll hook up with anybody who’ll provide her with fame or fortune.
There are, apparently, no Democrats in America clean or pure or virginal enough for Stein; as Rothpletz reports, she even attacked Bernie Sanders for being a “DC insider” and “corrupted” by corporate money.
Meanwhile, her campaign, theoretically opposed to giant monopolies and defense contractors, has taken money from Google, Lockheed Martin, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, and McKinsey.
Stein is working hard to win the votes of disaffected Muslims in Michigan and Wisconsin, among other swing states, and could well deny Harris the White House this year just like she so proudly did to Clinton in 2016.
The unfortunate reality is that our system of democracy — created way back in 1789 — essentially requires a two-party system because we have first-past-the-post, winner-take-all elections. The result is that third parties always tear votes away from the major party with which they are most closely philosophically aligned.
And the Electoral College, by creating swing states, amplifies the problem.
Most other advanced democracies use a parliamentary or proportional representation system where the party that gets, for example, 12 percent of the votes gets 12 percent of the seats in Parliament. This allows for multiple parties and a more vibrant democracy.
However, it wasn’t until the year the Civil War started, 1861, that British philosopher John Stuart Mill published a how-to manual for multi-party parliamentary democracies in his book Considerations On Representative Government.
It was so widely distributed and read that nearly all of the world’s democracies today — all of them countries that became democracies after the late 1860s — use variations on Mill’s proportional representation parliamentary system.
The result for those nations is a plethora of parties representing a broad range of perspectives and priorities, all able to participate in the daily governance of their nation. Nobody gets shut out.
Governing becomes an exercise in coalition building, and nobody is excluded. If you want to get something done politically, you have to pull together a coalition of parties to agree with your policy.
Most European countries, for example, have political parties represented in their parliaments that range from the far left to the extreme right, with many across the spectrum of the middle. There’s even room for single issue parties; for example, several in Europe focus almost exclusively on the environment or immigration.
The result is typically an honest and wide-ranging discussion across society about the topics of the day, rather than a stilted debate among only two parties.
It’s how the Greens became part of today’s governing coalition in Germany, for example, and are able to influence the energy future of that nation. And because of that political diversity in the debates, the decisions made tend to be reasonably progressive: look at the politics and lifestyles in most European nations.
But until America adopts proportional representation nationwide (which would require a constitutional amendment) or instant runoff voting (which could be done by law), a vote for a third-party candidate will always damage the party most closely aligned with it. Jill Stein understands this well, but chooses to ignore (or to intentionally exploit) its consequences.
The Green Party — that I safely voted for in 2000 when I lived in non-swing-state Vermont — deserves a candidate who’ll work to produce real change rather than simply run repeated vanity campaigns that cripple our admittedly flawed electoral system.
It’s time to say “good bye” to Jill Stein and rescue — and then improve — our democratic republic.
im not with hartmann on everything. fuckers out to lunch on ukraine; entertaining war grifters in that field. dont get it. but regarding stein hes spot on. stein takes big corperate money then spends all of its advertising in swing states.
wtf?!?!
https://hartmannreport.com/p/jill-stein ... y-hand-06e
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So, you are arguing AGAINST having more than two parties Ben?
You do know US is aboot the only country dumb enough to actively encourage a dysfunctional two party system.
So who's carrying water now?
You do know US is aboot the only country dumb enough to actively encourage a dysfunctional two party system.
So who's carrying water now?
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you cant escape the two party system by voting for a third party in it.
it has to be done legislatively by enacting a parliamentarian system where representation is assigned by voter turnout.
it has to be done legislatively by enacting a parliamentarian system where representation is assigned by voter turnout.
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live right now in LA
the LAST 2024 presidential candidate debate. yes, stein is there.
live from pacifica radio
https://www.kpfk.org/player/
the LAST 2024 presidential candidate debate. yes, stein is there.
live from pacifica radio
https://www.kpfk.org/player/
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For starters FUCK that constitutional party candidate!!!!!
Steaming pile of hates women and the REAL good citizens.
mlm mlm
Steaming pile of hates women and the REAL good citizens.
mlm mlm
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