The overdue immigration thread.

[roller24]

Remember the sand sculptures in stretched out coke bottles? Various colored sand was carefully place in layers to make art. As soon as the bottle was inverted or shaken, the sands would all mix together and the art was no more.
That's what the state of global mass migration from developing nations into western European and American societies brings to mind.
The several States of the world, existed like the newly finished sand sculpture, each grain a person, all in their States, existing as they have their whole lives.
Since the goal of global centralized government is to bring all the States under reign of the central authority. The State's patriotic allegiance to there homeland would be greatly diminished should millions of people from various States were to be relocated into other States. Once nationalism is diminished, the State is less resistant to rendering it's sovereignty to the central authority.
This is a stated goal of the UN and other global thinktanks regardless of any publicly announced rationalization for shaking the sand.
This guy spills the beans on that philosophy in the US, but fails to mention that numerous other countries are experiencing the same issue.

[Prawn Connery]

Why do people migrate? For basically two reasons: economic survival (opportunity) or physical survival (safety).

What has the collective West done to foster economic opportunity and the well-being of people in third-world countries lately?

Did mass African migration exist prior to, say, the African continent being colonised and exploited through slavery and gunboat diplomacy?

Did mass Muslim migration exist prior to, say, the US intervention in the Middle East?

Did mass Central/South American migration exist prior to, say, the US War on Drugs and corporate exploitation of said region?

Did mass Korean and Vietnamese migration exist prior to, say, the Korean and Vietnam wars?

What is the root cause of all this migration, roller?

Ineeded, why did so many Irish and other persecuted (and starving – potato famine etc) Europeans migrate en masse to the US in the 18th and 19th Centuries? And why is today any different – apart from the colour of said migrants' skin?

People go where they feel safe, happy and valued. OK, maybe not the "happy" part – migrants aren't exactly treated nicely for the most part.

[dill786]

I think the argument can be made that these illegals work for less and make a fucking mockery of the minimum wage

here in UK farmers used to pay £20 pounds an hour to fruit pickers but now some farmers have been caught paying £7 an hour to illegals

so its a bit shit for the people who have been fighting since the Victorian times to get a national minimum wage for workers, which is NOW £11.44 an hour for people over 21

[roller24]

Why do people migrate? For basically two reasons: economic survival (opportunity) or physical survival (safety).

What has the collective West done to foster economic opportunity and the well-being of people in third-world countries lately?

Did mass African migration exist prior to, say, the African continent being colonised and exploited through slavery and gunboat diplomacy?

Did mass Muslim migration exist prior to, say, the US intervention in the Middle East?

Did mass Central/South American migration exist prior to, say, the US War on Drugs and corporate exploitation of said region?

Did mass Korean and Vietnamese migration exist prior to, say, the Korean and Vietnam wars?

What is the root cause of all this migration, roller?

Ineeded, why did so many Irish and other persecuted (and starving – potato famine etc) Europeans migrate en masse to the US in the 18th and 19th Centuries? And why is today any different – apart from the colour of said migrants' skin?

People go where they feel safe, happy and valued. OK, maybe not the "happy" part – migrants aren't exactly treated nicely for the most part.

The post was not really about why people migrate.
More of why the UN and the Western Alliance nurture it, fund it, and allow it regardless of objection by the citizenry.
Are these governments now suddenly concerned about the welfare of the country they bombed or plundered for resources?
I doubt it.
Look at Sweden, they never plundered anyone to my knowledge, yet they are flooded with migrants.

[Prawn Connery]

Your conspiracy theory about a global centralised government is flawed to begin with. I'm sure the US would love to control the world – it certainly tries to – but it never will.

The world is becoming ever-more fractured, not assimilated.

The fact Sweden and other European countries have tried to clean up the US's mess in the Middle East says more about those nations than it does about US hegemony and its allies.

Yes, sadly, that includes my own country. Which is part of the reason we have been taking in record numbers of migrants too.

But perhaps the real reason is the capitalist growth model that subscribes to ever-increasing numbers of people pushing up ever-increasing prices – like a global ponzi scheme – which is coming unstuck due to falling birthrates in developed nations that are scrambling to service future debt and other oblications by importing tax-paying workers.

Conservatives are always the first to cry about immigration . . . until they reaslise those migrants are sustaining their way of life and without them, their economies would fall into a death sprial of deflation and slowing growth – much like we're seeing in Japan and China today. Both those nations have almost zero immigration and aging populations.

[dill786]

that's why Germany took in so many immigrants because they have a real issue when it comes to declining birthrates, they are not having enough children and the population is ageing, and they need these people to look after elderly people.
Same in UK they are employing Thai women and African women mainly to work in the care industry because the local people don't want to do this job and they're not taking care of their parents so they end up in care homes....

A lot of British doctors are immigrating to Australia, better work hours , more money , better weather
NOW the NHS are recruiting doctors for the 3rd world to fill the huge void...

[dill786]

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[dill786]

Lowest birth rates in Europe


1,Malta: 1.08 live births per woman
2,Spain: 1.16 live births per woman
3,Italy: 1.24 live births per woman
4,San Marino: 1.25 live births per woman
5,Andorra: 1.27 live births per woman
6,Greece: 1.34 live births per woman
7,Luxembourg: 1.34 live births per woman
8,Portugal: 1.36 live births per woman
9,Cyprus: 1.37 live births per woman
10,Bosnia and Herzegovina: 1.38 live births per women

[roller24]

Here's a flawed conspiracy theory video by the UN complete with WEF logos and color scheme.
Call it what ever you want, but it confirms that the world government you claim doesn't exist is coordinating and fostering the immigration crisis.
If their aims were righteous, they wouldn't support such unmanageable numbers of people flooding into countries and wreaking chaos among the communities.

One would think by the videos, that the whole operation has been smooth and seamless.

Today's migration problems stem from global government advocates. They even put out a HowTo
https://www.migration4development.org/e ... ctitioners

[Prawn Connery]

I suggest you actually wtch those videos and what they are trying to convey, roller.

Hint is at 0.21 of the second video "returns". Other hints emphasise saving lives and ensuring the well-being of asymlum seekers. Yet others point to the root causes of migration, such as climate change.

Neither of the two videos actually promotes migration. They simply address the reality of it and ways to ensure the wll-being of those who are fleeing, seeking asylum or work.

Once again, you fail to acknowledge the root cause of migration – war, drought/famine, exploitation, mismanagement of resources, corruption, climate change (see drought/famine) etc.

Also, are you saying the United Nations is trying to take over the world?

Hahahahahahahahahaha

No-one listens to the UN.