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The day Donald Trump left the White House, his business was facing $900 million of debt coming due in the next four years.
The only reason he's now so "rich" is listing Trump Media – which by any standard is grossly overvalued. But hey . . . Twitter. Oh wait.

Truth Social just made a $327 million QUARTERLY loss up to March. Musk is trying to cut Trump's lunch by taking Twitter/X even more right-wing. Trump's favourite fanboi is, in fact, his greatest social media competitor.

Trump's a con-artist, but that's no secret.
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Munchy wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:30 am
so you guys are basically throwing away your votes, and helping Trump to win.
Disingenuous much? :whistle:
Who in their right mind would think that by not voting for a person, you are helping that person win? :loony:
One could argue that it is you that is wasting your vote...repeatedly voting for people that make things worse. :innocent:



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Trump has filed for bankruptcy six times...
Reminds me of a story I read or heard aboot Trump...

One day as he and his young daughter were in his limo, Don pointed out a homeless beggar to his daughter, saying "You see that man there...he has more money than I do. While he has nothing, he owes nothing. And I, owe more than I have."
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talk about disingenuous... it's simple math:
there are only 2 people who have a real chance to win, so if you don't cast your vote for the least of 2 evils,
then you are wasting your chance to help prevent the worst guy from winning.
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On a personal level, the wealthiest person that I know borrowed his way to becoming a multi millionaire.
My mom used the term "penny millionaire".
In a monetary system based on debt and not physical backing, when a person borrows, they are actually creating money to be infused into the system.
He worked his way into a partnership of a very modest business, then borrowed enough money to buy his partner out.
So now he has:
Acquired title over hard assets, and an income producing business.
A debt

As long as the income produced a positive cash flow over the payments on the debt, he gained wealth.

He took his gains and used as down payments on loans to grow his business, each time establishing terms to ensure his cash flow remained positive.

It snowballed into a massive holdings of business, and real estate.

Along the way, if any of the ventures did poorly, he would sell the property and usually yield enough to satisfy the debt and again increase his personal wealth.

He was pretty much getting rich the same way Trump did, and most other wealthy people.
It isn't illegal, or immoral, it is working within the system exactly as the system was designed to work.

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Munchy wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:53 pm
talk about disingenuous... it's simple math:
there are only 2 people who have a real chance to win, so if you don't cast your vote for the least of 2 evils,
then you are wasting your chance to prevent the worst guy from winning.
Because we vote for our conscience, not your's.

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you mean you're wasting your vote for your conscience.
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if your not in a swing state voting third party isnt a waste or a vote for the bad guy
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Put whatever sound bite label on it you wish, but yes, I am voting for RFK Jr.
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^ so who are you going to vote for if RFK Jr backs out and endorses Trump?
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Post by smokebreaks »

Allow me to share a post I wrote on Facebook the other day.

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I hate to get all political on you all again but I cannot in good conscience sit back and watch as this nation falls further into great disrepair while we’re subjected to these two senior citizens argue.

Are they for real?

The best America has to offer is a rambling incoherent 78 year old and an incoherent wandering 81 year old ?

Seriously?

You know what?

The majority of us are simply fucking fed up with this nonsensical bullshit.

They could both fuck off and I bet we’d still be fine.

Don’t neither of them senile fucks mean shit to me. Or you for that matter.

The middle of the road moderate, yep, those of us who give a damn about the current political landscape are going to have to deal with a these two clowns as our choice in November, and it could very well be the reason we, collectively have a continual future, or not.

Not to be alarmist but it seems as it is that dire.

Truthfully I’m fearful that our nation is screwed if it falls into the hands of either of the these morons brought forth by the two parties.

As an independent voter that the party faithful always says is throwing his vote away if he doesn’t vote for one of their party choices …tbh: both sides have chastised me for my views, however it isn’t my place to tell them how wrong they are. Unless they are paying me of course.

But now we’re approaching the topic.

Neither sides actually wins Wisconsin without you.

Party lines in Wisconsin.

Typically ~42% on either side of the aisle.

That’s roughly 16% of independents that cause us to be the essential “swing state”.

Here’s where it gets pretty insane though.

Did you know both sides are essentially the same?

See on the one side, team red if you will, you’re supposed to fail in line and do as they tell you because that’s how the team works. Companies like Michael Best Strategies and the newly founded Hitler Youth like Turning Point Action who put together support and resources behind candidates to sell you on the corporate lobbying industry agendas.

On the other side, team blue, they tell you that your invited to make suggestions and they value your input but then they claim that their thinkers decided the best course for their party is to make the agenda based on the will of those whose philanthropy gives them continued relevance so they hire folks like A Better Wisconsin Together a division of Progress Now to push an agenda across the nation in a coordinated manner, so many people support this it has to be good.

Blah fucking blah…

For the majority of us, the average everyday working people, we don’t belong to either party so why do we let them paint us as red or blue?

If the state is as important as they say, and neither side can win the presidency without the path to victory including winning Wisconsin then isn’t now the time to take charge and make the change for the good of the people.

We’ve done it before, with the La Follette Progressive Era coming out the depression era of the 1930’s and hell even with the birth of the damn Republican Party.

Just 34% wins it in a 3 way race, and there will other choices on the ballots.

Choose wisely.

We can’t really afford to screw this one up again but neither side gives a damn about us. Seems they just care about keeping the status quo to increase corporate profits maybe it’s time we unite to end the corrupting influence of the two party system.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

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I’m voting RFK as well
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