antifa diary...

[roller24]

Russia isn't communist, roller.

Stalinist state capitalism then, rooted in communism, but a democracy on paper.
Lines right up with my theory of modern political labels, conflated, often misapplied.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a fine example.

[Butcher Bob]

Russia...

...a democracy on paper.

A democratic republic....just like the US.



Whereas...

facist exist in degrees and while putins russia is inargueable authoritarian it doesn hold a candle to ukraine when it comes to fascism

How so?

Defintion:

dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

"dictatorial leader"..."militarism"
Zelensky introduces martial law in Ukraine
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/uk ... 8db92e3c4b

"centralized autocracy"
Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy said in June 2023 that the country would hold no elections until its war with Russia ends.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelen ... -war-ends/

"forcible suppression of opposition"
Zelenskyy has consolidated Ukraine's TV outlets and dissolved rival political parties
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/11105774 ... itical-par

"belief in a natural social hierarchy"
Azov brigade - The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology, its use of controversial symbols linked to Nazism, and early allegations that members of the unit participated in human rights violations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade

"subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race"
During the martial law in Ukraine, men aged 18 to 60 may be mobilized and have no right to leave Ukraine.
https://visitukraine.today/blog/1385/de ... %20Ukraine.

"strong regimentation of society and the economy"
<see all of the above>

...just sayin'.

[rSin]

outstanding bob.

russia is a ruthlessly capitalist autocracy
your forgetting that for a decade the west helped; hmmm, what was their drunkin leaders name in the 90s again?

helped him sell as many internal assets to private interest for pennies as they could; creating a serious oligarchy. putin got to power and turned on them wholesale. took many of them down. recovered assets. put the brakes on the collapse of russian society; the average lifespan in freefall.and sa

a fascist would have turned to those oligarchs and said 'what else do you want?
what can i do for you??
would have made move in government to undergird their gains and acellerate their ambitions across the board

he did not.
he is not fascist.

putin is autocratic and hes sucking up to a retrograde state church which wants its teeth deep into the society there and hes doing alot for them which is extremely disgusting. i cant fathom any reason for him to do so honestly. huge question as far as im concerned

autocratic and bent knee to a church which the soviets failed to wipe our as they should have and as they deserved

but not fascist.


fascist and fascism are terms bandied about to near worthlessness by anyone who is losing something they think they deserve. period.

there is ZERO argument that ukraine today is controlled by nazi's who the west armed to the teeth enough that they hold all its politicians not in prison now in complete control

just what america has done in every country it overthrown or seriously tried to; it find the absolute worest people in that society and promotes them into a threat to that nations leadership if not right into leadership themselves...

[Prawn Connery]

A democratic republic....just like the US.

Whereas...

"dictatorial leader"..."militarism"
Zelensky introduces martial law in Ukraine
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/uk ... 8db92e3c4b

"centralized autocracy"
Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy said in June 2023 that the country would hold no elections until its war with Russia ends.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelen ... -war-ends/

"forcible suppression of opposition"
Zelenskyy has consolidated Ukraine's TV outlets and dissolved rival political parties
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/11105774 ... itical-par

"belief in a natural social hierarchy"
Azov brigade - The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology, its use of controversial symbols linked to Nazism, and early allegations that members of the unit participated in human rights violations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade

"subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race"
During the martial law in Ukraine, men aged 18 to 60 may be mobilized and have no right to leave Ukraine.
https://visitukraine.today/blog/1385/de ... %20Ukraine.

"strong regimentation of society and the economy"
<see all of the above>

...just sayin'.

North Korea is a "democratic republic", too – just as roller said. Yet Putin has been president of Russia for 20 of the past 24 years, and prime minister for the other four. How do you explain that?

As for all the other links, they are all a direct result of Russia's invasion. Ben might think this is "outstanding" information, but it is no surprise to the rest of us. The Ukrainian Constitution cancels elections during martial law. Even Hawaii was under martial war during WW2 as it was the US territory most likely to be invaded by Japan.

And how many other nations have conscription during times of war? Pretty much all of them!

It would have been truly "outstanding" if you had mentioned any of that. But no, let's compare war-time Ukraine to day-to-day Russia. That's a fair comparison, right?

[rSin]

hawaii was the us territory whos queen was in prison and whos people were ready to revolt AS their nation was being stolen...


not a single african nation nor a one in central or south america on america's side in this.
DESPITE the billions and billions of dollars investment theyd gain doing so


you cant find a place in the world
foreign or domestic us

where our national governments actions didnt amount to being the worest actors doing the worest deeds to be found there.

were ukraine to this patern it would be the SINGULAR exceptions to that rule.



ridiculously unlikely and CERTAINLY nothing you accept just cuz WE said its so...

[Prawn Connery]

hawaii was the us territory whos queen was in prison and whos people were ready to revolt AS their nation was being stolen...

Not during WW2 it wasn't.

not a single african nation nor a one in central or south america on america's side in this.
DESPITE the billions and billions of dollars investment theyd gain doing so

Wrong again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ainian_War

you cant find a place in the world
foreign or domestic us

where our national governments actions didnt amount to being the worest actors doing the worest deeds to be found there.

Plenty of examples.

You forget the US helped the Afghanis fight off the Russians in the 80s.

I'm sure Kuwait was happy for the US to drive out Saddam the first time.

The US helped South Korea remain free.

The US certainly helped Australia during WW2 (thanks).

The US help Bosnian Muslims and Croats against the Serbs.

I don't have time to find every instance, but even one proves you wrong.

[Butcher Bob]

North Korea is a "democratic republic", too – just as roller said.

You just can't help but talk shit, can you.

First off, that is not what Roller said...

...my theory of modern political labels, conflated, often misapplied.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a fine example.

He's saying "political labels" (i.e. Democratic People's Republic of Korea) are often not accurate.

Which brings us to your second lie, that "North Korea is a "democratic republic"".
Simply bullshit, because you're evidently too sloppy with your narcissism to even check...

North Korea functions as a highly centralized, one-party totalitarian dictatorship. According to its constitution, it is a self-described revolutionary and socialist state "guided in its building and activities only by great Kimilsungism–Kimjongilism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kor ... d_politics

[Prawn Connery]

North Korea is a "democratic republic", too – just as roller said.

You just can't help but talk shit, can you.

First off, that is not what Roller said...

...my theory of modern political labels, conflated, often misapplied.
Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a fine example.

He's saying "political labels" (i.e. Democratic People's Republic of Korea) are often not accurate.

Which brings us to your second lie, that "North Korea is a "democratic republic"".
Simply bullshit, because you're evidently too sloppy with your narcissism to even check...

North Korea functions as a highly centralized, one-party totalitarian dictatorship. According to its constitution, it is a self-described revolutionary and socialist state "guided in its building and activities only by great Kimilsungism–Kimjongilism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Kor ... d_politics

See Bob, I've actually been to North Korea. You haven't. I spent a week there. I reported for Newsweek and the BBC from there.

Stop embarrassing yourself with childish non-sequiturs. If you don't know what parenthesis ("...") are, then learn English.

[Jesús Malverde]

Russia can't be fascist, they are anti-American. Only West-aligned nations can ever be fascist, Or something like that.

[rSin]

You forget the US helped the Afghanis fight off the Russians in the 80s.

I'm sure Kuwait was happy for the US to drive out Saddam the first time.

The US helped South Korea remain free.

The US certainly helped Australia during WW2 (thanks).

The US help Bosnian Muslims and Croats against the Serbs.

I don't have time to find every instance, but even one proves you wrong.

that afgani government invited russia in you dolt!
our fighting that created the taliban

the kuwait'ee were vicious fiends. just ask any who had a manual labor job in the country

you aussies are MORE vicious fiends than even those towel heads!
just ask anyone anywhere they are murdering to keep a monstrous pit dug so they can poison the local water supply via industrial resource extraction

Bosnia?!?!
we didnt lift a finger when 200,000 were murdered there. nope, then we came in and destroyed all the industrial manufacturing infrastructure as a by in to halt the murder incorperated we had green lighted


got anything beside propaganda non truths?