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Renewable energy?....not so renewable.

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plutonium, is besides it's radioactivity, it's highly toxic on it's own. So even if there was no radiation to worry about, it's poisonous enough to kill thousands of people if a small amount ended up in the water supply.

So like others have answered, Pu239 has a half life of 24,000 years, and is the most useful isotope. The most stable is Pu244 which has a half life of 80 million years.

After 7 half lives 99% of a material will be gone, however this doesn't consuder the radioactive half life of whatever it has decayed into.

So essentially, for human time scales, plutonium never becomes safe."


this is 80thousand years, continuing,
a proverbial drop in the bucket compared with the persistant risks of many nuclitides reactor fuel is turned into via NORMAL operation...



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Karma Hippie
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whew,
we sneaked up on a million years there.
our particular branch of the human is mabe 300thousand years old.

theres little chance that humans will STILL be homosapiens by the time that HALF of all the plutonium we have made is radioactively cool enough to be concidered safe. that means that HALF will not be right? and this is just talking radiation. plutonium will remain FOREVER a lethal poison that only a few micrograms would kill you.

so yes prawn,
she didnt mention ANY of this as she STACKED the deck of 'reason' the way the nuclear INDUSTRY needs it to be for them to every get even close to being allowed to continue down the DARK ROAD OF WANTON EVIL INTENT they are nothing but...
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new study find that cigarette butts are the largest item by count contributing to waste in our dumps. their filters DO NO biodegade...
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How toxic is plutonium?
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Did you know that the longer the half-life, the less radioactive an isotope is?

Whodathunkit!
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Prawn Connery wrote:
Tue May 09, 2023 9:26 pm
Butcher Bob wrote:
Tue May 09, 2023 12:18 pm
No, because that's not the topic of the thread...and even though that's already been pointed out, you still don't seem to understand that. :facepalm:
Hang on Bob, I thought I saw something on page one of this thread . . . Ah yes, here it is: Page 1, Post 1
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Wed May 03, 2023 9:54 am
Renewable energy?....not so renewable. :dunno2:

Why are we such a stupid species? :facepalm:

First we burn wood for energy...then coal...then oil...then natural gas...
...without giving any thought to the pollution, environmental disasters, and destruction of the planet's aquifers.
Then we go nuclear...
...without ever figuring out how to safely dispose of the waste.

We start pushing electric over combustion, to try to right previous wrongs...
...without giving any thought to mining the materials for motors and batteries.
Etc
Hypocrite much, Bob?
<heavy sigh> :facepalm:

Yes, the op explains the topic in what I thought was a clear manner....but apparently not.

Intrinsic got it. He verified what I meant, but he got it.

Ben gets it...
rSin wrote:
Wed May 10, 2023 5:30 am
weve always know were passing HELL down to our grand childrens crand childrens...
Nowhere in the post did I pose a 'which source is better' proposition...

...but rather pointed out our blatant disregard for costs to future generations so that we can be more comfortable.

Maybe you're ok with something whose accident sites require 50,000 year vacancy...
...me? I don't think we have the right to not allow future generations a voice in the matter.
Go figure. :dunno:

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What topic, Bob? The opening salvo is just a mindless rant about all forms of energy, including this gem:
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First we burn wood for energy...
What the fuck else was the human race supposed to burn to keep warm 200,000 years ago?

Obligatory facepalm smilie > :facepalm:

The same could be said of different stages of evolution as we discovered other combustible materials to burn . . . then discovered electricity and how to harness it. Indeed, all forms of energy that we know today were part of that evolutionary process.

Are you proposing we go back before the Stone Age to a time where man didn't know how to make fire?

What is YOUR solution to how we evolve next? Are we simply to ignore all forms of advancement and technology because Bob is scared of the future?

There are many ways to produce energy with far less impact on the planet than we have done in the past, but we had to go through all those phases first before we got to this point – something YOU don't seem to get.

You see, Bob, once upon a time burning a bit of wood or even coal/oil/gas was no big deal because there weren't nearly 9 billion of us on the planet rapidly industrialising. That's the real problem right there: the SCALE of what we're doing, which is just as impactful as the WAY in which we're doing it.

So we now have three choices: scale back what we're doing, scale back the number of people doing it, or find better (cleaner) ways of what we're doing. Maybe even a combination of all three (so there are really four choices).

I don't see solutions in any of your posts Bob. In fact, I almost never see you offering solutions to anything. You just complain and criticise and shake your fist at the world all the time. Like an old curmudgeon.

Now you pretend like you're all altruistic and concerned about future generations? Pah-lease! It's people like you who deny anthropomorphic climate change and rubbish all new ideas about energy production who are the barriers to us doing something. You sit on your hands and do nothing but complain – meanwhile the planet heats up at the fastest rate in recorded history (and people like you say "Well, that's natural – the climate always changes").

Just because wind and solar have problems now doesn't mean they can't be addressed in the future. But we have to take those FIRST STEPS in order to reach that solution.

One could argue it is the same with nuclear energy. The Genie is already out of the bottle, Bob. We have already learned how to harness it. There are countries like France that produce most of their energy from nuclear and have had none – zero, nada, non – accidents resulting in deaths or leaks of radiation.

So it can be done, Bob. in fact, it IS being done, Bob. And you're already part of it: the US has 92 nuclear plants – not including the Simpsons.

You ask me if I'm happy to evolve? Why yes, Bob, I am. Are you?

Oh, the irony of you typing your reply on a computer using man-made electricity – things that didn't even exist 200 years ago.
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heres the secret the pro-death camp dont want you to realize
IF you DONT build them, youll have ZERO accidents.

and given the risk its as fool to call them accidents as your fire department calander says is the case were every the roll out to a corperate facility to fight a blaze. NO accidents EVERY. theyre always breaking the rules and trying to get away with it. NOT accidents


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium

im sure that whore you posted sprinkles it on her pancakes...

During and after the end of World War II, scientists working on the Manhattan Project and other nuclear weapons research projects conducted studies of the effects of plutonium on laboratory animals and human subjects.[108] Animal studies found that a few milligrams of plutonium per kilogram of tissue is a lethal dose.[109]

In the case of human subjects, this involved injecting solutions containing (typically) five micrograms of plutonium into hospital patients thought to be either terminally ill, or to have a life expectancy of less than ten years either due to age or chronic disease condition.[108] This was reduced to one microgram in July 1945 after animal studies found that the way plutonium distributed itself in bones was more dangerous than radium.[109] Most of the subjects, Eileen Welsome says, were poor, powerless, and sick.[110]

From 1945 to 1947, eighteen human test subjects were injected with plutonium without informed consent. The tests were used to create diagnostic tools to determine the uptake of plutonium in the body in order to develop safety standards for working with plutonium.[108] Ebb Cade was an unwilling participant in medical experiments that involved injection of 4.7 micrograms of Plutonium on 10 April 1945 at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.[111][112] This experiment was under the supervision of Harold Hodge.[113] Other experiments directed by the United States Atomic Energy Commission and the Manhattan Project continued into the 1970s. The Plutonium Files chronicles the lives of the subjects of the secret program by naming each person involved and discussing the ethical and medical research conducted in secret by the scientists and doctors. The episode is now considered to be a serious breach of medical ethics and of the Hippocratic Oath.[114]

The government covered up most of these radiation mishaps until 1993, when President Bill Clinton ordered a change of policy and federal agencies then made available relevant records. The resulting investigation was undertaken by the president's Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments, and it uncovered much of the material about plutonium research on humans. The committee issued a controversial 1995 report which said that "wrongs were committed" but it did not condemn those who perpetrated them.

Voelz, George L. (2000). "Plutonium and Health: How great is the risk?". Los Alamos Science. Los Alamos (NM): Los Alamos National Laboratory (26): 78–79.

Longworth, R. C. (November–December 1999). "Injected! Book review: The Plutonium Files: America's Secret Medical Experiments in the Cold War". The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. 55 (6): 58–61. doi:10.2968/055006016. Archived from the original on January 5, 2013.

Moss, William, and Roger Eckhardt. (1995). "The human plutonium injection experiments." Los Alamos Science. 23: 177–233.

Openness, DOE. (June 1998). Human Radiation Experiments: ACHRE Report. Chapter 5: The Manhattan district Experiments; the first injection. Washington, DC. Superintendent of Documents US Government Printing Office.

AEC no. UR-38, 1948 Quarterly Technical Report

Yesley, Michael S. (1995). "'Ethical Harm' and the Plutonium Injection Experiments" (PDF). Los Alamos Science. 23: 280–283. Archived (PDF) from the original on February 24, 2009. Retrieved February 15, 2009.



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