UKRAINE & EU v RUSSIA part 2

[Prawn Connery]

Judging by the convo you're having with Roller, I'd have to say you are vastly mistaken.

Except I'm not the one who posts 30 stupid YouTube video links and a dozen smilies a day because he can't persuade people with language.

In fact, I hardly post YouTube videos at all (except songs), because – you know – I know how to write cogent sentences.

[Solid Gold Butt Plug]

….and I don’t know how to write, but I still don’t post videos.

[roller24]

Let's not FAIL to note, that the only thing even resembling the US providing a guarantee of security is in sec 4.. which only states that the US would seek Security Council action .... IN WHICH NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE USED.

So let's ignore the fact Putin has already threatened to use nuclear tactical wepons in Ukraine – because I know you will ignore the facts, even though they are only a google search away - and focus instead on the actual text.

Here is a screenshot of the actual UN Memoranum:

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https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetai ... 0280401fbb

See the bit where it states "seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine . . . if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used"?

if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression

or

an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used

So which part of that sentence does the final clause apply to? Why, the part of the sentence that the clause is attached to!

When you are literate, like me, you learn how to read things properly.

And let me ask you this, why in your journalistic prowess, did you segregate the signatories to make it appear as if only Russia was bound to 1,2, and 3, and the US to 4, and 6? The document clearly states that all points of agreement are bound to all signatories. A little twist and spin, I suspect.

Well that's easy, roller. Because Russia is the one that violated 1, 2 and 3, and the US and UK are the ones that acted on 4 and 6. The UK is still acting under 4 and 6.

Interestingly, the US – under Trump – is the one now trying to violet paragraph 3.

Your interpretation of the somewhat ambiguous nuclear aggression clause is highly debatable. Also, regardless, the UN council was sought, and declared that military aid in the form of weaponry and financial aid be given, and that declaration has been met by the US. So the US has met the terms of the agreement in that manner.

Interesting how you only see Trump violeting (I like that color too Mr. Literate) #3. It's pretty much accepted fact that the 2014 overthrow was a US led coup. Are you still buying into the stale narrative, that Putin is on some expansionist campaign to conquer Europe, and that the Ukraine invasion was completely unprovoked? If you are, good like trying to make anyone in here look ignorant or naive.

[Butcher Bob]

You don't post any songs Prawn...
...or is that the joke?



Ooohh!...look who's suddenly found €800 billion for defense...



...imagine that.

[MadMoonMan]

Putin was bluffing at the time. He was in a difficult tactical situation losing half? his troops. He was looking for a way to regroup.

[MadMoonMan]

Correct me where I am wrong. Ukraine bombed the area of Dohmas? sp Which was largely Russian people. This was years ago. So they started this shit. Dohmas wanted to leave Ukraine.

"Hell no we can't allow that. So bomb the cities killing innocent civillians.

I don't like Russia butt they went in to protect their brothers and sisters.

[Intrinsic]

Ok yer wrong fyi

[Prawn Connery]

Your interpretation of the somewhat ambiguous nuclear aggression clause is highly debatable. Also, regardless, the UN council was sought, and declared that military aid in the form of weaponry and financial aid be given, and that declaration has been met by the US. So the US has met the terms of the agreement in that manner.

There is nothing ambiguous about the fact Ukraine was attacked by a nuclear power – Fact.

Putin has made nuclear threats – Fact.

The US has met the obligations of #4 but is now rescinding that obligation under Trump. US military and other aid to Ukraine has been halted – Fact

Interesting how you only see Trump violeting (I like that color too Mr. Literate) #3. It's pretty much accepted fact that the 2014 overthrow was a US led coup. Are you still buying into the stale narrative, that Putin is on some expansionist campaign to conquer Europe, and that the Ukraine invasion was completely unprovoked? If you are, good like trying to make anyone in here look ignorant or naive.

No, it is not an "accepted fact". It is a conspiracy theory peddaled by right-wing nutjobs.

But if you believe half of what Trump says, then you just might be gullible enough to believe the people of Ukraine did not want to be ruled by a Russian stooge in Yanukovych, and that they are not fighting for their independent lives right now

Pray tell, where did Yanukovych flee at the first sign of trouble in 2014?

[Prawn Connery]

Correct me where I am wrong. Ukraine bombed the area of Dohmas? sp Which was largely Russian people. This was years ago. So they started this shit. Dohmas wanted to leave Ukraine.

"Hell no we can't allow that. So bomb the cities killing innocent civillians.

I don't like Russia butt they went in to protect their brothers and sisters.

Maybe read some neutral history instead of right-wing social media, then you might have an idea.

[Prawn Connery]

You don't post any songs Prawn...
...or is that the joke?



Ooohh!...look who's suddenly found €800 billion for defense...



...imagine that.

Again, silly Bob, a simple search will find plenty of songs I've posted on here over the years.

But at usual, you take one snippet of conversation out of context AND IGNORE THE ACTUAL POINT to use as the base for another baseless arguement.

Way to obfuscate!