ready to trade democracy for cheap gas?

[rSin]

Fascism in a nutshell: Is America ready to trade democracy for cheap gas?
written by Chauncey DeVega and Salon November 03, 2022


In a recent interview with me for Salon, social psychologist Shawn Rosenberg offered similar observations, saying that "the Achilles heel of democracy is that the people, meaning the citizenry, do not understand the larger political and governmental system and its values," and are therefore "susceptible to a populist message." He mainly attributes this to America's dysfunctional educational system, which has "failed to educate the public to understand complex questions of society and politics"


Meanwhile, members of the media and political classes often make the error of generalizing from their own experience and knowledge to the public as a whole, leading to a whole range of incorrect assumptions, misguided conclusions and overall misunderstandings. Thus we get the perpetual of real or feigned shock and surprise from pundits, commentators and mainstream political leaders when faced with the Republican Party's fascist campaign against American democracy.

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In total, the recent New York Times poll just offers further evidence that the American people may claim to be concerned about "democracy," but are fundamentally unclear as to the cause of the crisis and have no idea what to do about it. It's actually worse than that, in that many Americans don't even pretend to care about democracy and are more concerned about lower prices for gas and groceries — and have no problem trading away their rights and freedoms for the promise of ending inflation.


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In a similarly dark vein, a new CBS News poll finds that 63 percent of likely Democratic voters believe that a functioning democracy is more important than a strong economy, but that those numbers are more than reversed among Republicans, 70 percent of whom rank a "strong economy" (whatever that means) above a functioning democracy.

It's not hyperbolic or metaphorical to describe those numbers as a textbook example of how democracy gradually, and then more swiftly, rots away and succumbs to fascism. The naive faith that "it can't happen here" is severely misplaced: It's happening here right now.


https://www.alternet.org/2022/11/gas-facism/

[rSin]

i used to read him extensively but havnt in a while.

hes good,
longwinded and long personal stories to make his points but hes good


https://www.thechaunceydevegashow.com/

[roller24]

Rosenberg.. social psychologist...yessssss.
Growing up in DC metro, I have many liberal friends that think along the same lines as him.
They mischaracterize the 20 years of Marxist indoctrination as intelligence, and largely consider rural and less fortunate classes to be despicably ignorant, and in desperate need guidance from their intellectual prowess.

These looked down upon folks have drawn their political viewpoints through tradition and comradery. Their perspective comes from what they live, not from what some turtle neck professor who's notion of "democracy" aligns more with the central authoritarian socialist democracy, than the will of the people flavor that free societies enjoy.

Legal Definition of democracy
a: government by the people

Definition of social democracy
1: a political movement advocating a gradual and peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism by democratic means.
2: a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices.

Now considering democrats wholly support socialist policies, I think we know which "democracy" is under threat.

[Intrinsic]

You know america's National Forest is a a bumpy but WORKABLE marriage between capitalism and socialism.

The premise that all Democrats are wholly into a welfare state, is illicit transference and faulty premise. Fwiw. The opposite, the democratics political platform is against the corporate welfare state, yanno like the petroleum's industry price gouging

[webeblzr]

In my public education just a form of PsyOp's, time frame, (1961-1974) I Pledged Allegiance to a Republic. That was to up hold our rights, that would fight the state or fed to uphold those rights. A great and wonderful lie of course.
A democracy is what we have, where anyone with enough money gets to rule.
Well that was the PsyOp doctrine, I was raised with.
Other folks, PsyOp's indoctrination may vary.

[rSin]

there is no distinction between a social Democracy and a Democracy thats ACTUALLY led by the people...

[Munchy]

I'm not concerned about the price of gas
there are ways to use less

[roller24]

You know america's National Forest is a a bumpy but WORKABLE marriage between capitalism and socialism.

The premise that all Democrats are wholly into a welfare state, is illicit transference and faulty premise. Fwiw. The opposite, the democratics political platform is against the corporate welfare state, yanno like the petroleum's industry price gouging

I feel neither party is close to having a unified existence. I sense that a large portion of today's Maga movement are last centuries working class democrats. The establishment neocons following McConnell, Romney, etc seem to have aligned with the wealthy progressive leftists to ensure that the global bank totalitarian agenda carries forth.
The woke branch of the democratic party more than matches the extremism of any faction on the right, and is a repellent for independents.

However for me, the Nationalist/Globalist controversy ranks highest as a concern.
Globalist want a central power structure stepping down to regions, then to states, then to localities.
In my view, a global democracy should be structured bottom up, leaving each consolidated group only govern actions between member groups.
Individual rights should never be affected by anyone not residing within the localities. Roe V Wade is a prime example of this concept, which was the original intent of the Constitution. If the people of Alabama vote to outlaw abortion, New Yorkers existing under a different cultural environment shouldn't have to bow to Alabama's cultural environment, and visa versa. This is the precise same logic expressed by Biden about Uyghur genocide.

Unempathetic control over any group by another group to impose their cultural will upon them, only creates division.
This is most apparent to me concerning the gender identity turmoil around the country.

[rSin]

modern society globalized over 500 years ago,
i dont think that each introduction of new destabilizing technology to old order toolboxes canotes its finally getting here

you speak of division but arent you forgetting that inclusion is only achieved when the intolerant have been driven out
of at least the public sphere

[roller24]

Attempted global domination has been taking place since long before that. However it has never succeeded or flourished due to the reasons I stated above.
As far as technical progress, this movie does a great job of depicting the inevitable.



The intolerant will always exist, because the boundaries will always be forced. Perfect example is the evolution of gay life and how each decade seems to expand what can no longer be deemed offensive or taboo.