January 6th Hearings

[ripper5]

what do you call loud farts? Flagrant flatulations?

Loud farts =. Maga verbage.

[ripper5]

Both parties can be cited for projecting, so it's a mute point.

There you go with your ridiculous flagrant false equivalencies again.

So now you can hear my voice through my typed words? Must be your mind meld space lasors again...or projection

[roller24]

The entire Trump Russia collusion hoax was projection to cover for the DNC at the Ukranian Embassy colluding with a foreign country to influence an election. Sytnyk and Leshchenko were both found guilty in Ukraine for interfering with the 2016 election. Sytnyk was Obama's choice to head the NABU, ironically enough.

[ripper5]

The entire Trump Russia collusion hoax was projection to cover for the DNC at the Ukranian Embassy colluding with a foreign country to influence an election. Sytnyk and Leshchenko were both found guilty in Ukraine for interfering with the 2016 election. Sytnyk was Obama's choice to head the NABU, ironically enough.

Thuffering thuck-a-tash ..another load of maga tears. The government was lawfully doing it's job by investigating Trump after he very publicly called for Russia's help in collision.

Trump: "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” said at a news conference in July 2016 even as he faced questions about whether he endorsed foreign meddling in U.S. elections.

Trump later pressured the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden and his father, President Joe Biden, who was then seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, leading to the former president's first impeachment."

Thorry Charlie, whataboutism only works in maga world.

, 2023
Heather Cox Richardson
Aug 3, 2023
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There have been more developments today surrounding yesterday’s indictment of former president Trump for conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters, and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding as he tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election and install himself in office over the wishes of the American people.

Observers today called out the part of the indictment that describes how Trump and Co-Conspirator 4, who appears to be Jeffrey Clark, the man Trump wanted to make attorney general, intended to use the military to quell any protests against Trump’s overturning of the election results. When warned that staying in power would lead to “riots in every major city in the United States,” Co-Conspirator 4 replied, “Well…that’s why there’s an Insurrection Act.”

The Insurrection Act of 1807 permits the president to use the military to enforce domestic laws, invoking martial law. Trump’s allies urged him to do just that to stay in power. Fears that Trump might do such a thing were strong enough that on January 3, 2021, all 10 living former defense secretaries signed a Washington Post op-ed warning that “[e]fforts to involve the U.S. armed forces in resolving election disputes would take us into dangerous, unlawful and unconstitutional territory.”

They put their colleagues on notice: “Civilian and military officials who direct or carry out such measures would be accountable, including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.” Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo recalled today that military leaders told Congress they were reluctant to respond to the violence at the Capitol out of concern about how Trump might use the military under the Insurrection Act.

Political pollster Tom Bonier wrote: “I understand Trump fatigue, but it feels like the president and his advisors preparing to use the military to quash protests against his planned coup should be bigger news. Especially when that same guy is in the midst of a somewhat credible comeback effort.”

On The Beat tonight, Ari Melber connected Trump Co-Conspirator John Eastman to Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX). Just before midnight on January 6, 2021, after the attack on the U.S. Capitol, Eastman wrote to Pence’s lawyer to beg him to get Pence to adjourn Congress “for 10 days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations, as well as to allow a full forensic audit of the massive amount of illegal activity that has occurred here.” On the floor of the Senate at about the same time, Cruz, who voted against certification, used very similar language when he called for “a ten-day emergency audit.”

An email sent by Co-Conspirator 6, the political consultant, matches one sent from Boris Epshteyn to Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, suggesting that Epshteyn is Co-Conspirator 6. The Russian-born Epshteyn has been with Trump’s political organization since 2016 and was involved in organizing the slates of false electors in 2020. Along with political consultant Steve Bannon, Epshteyn created a cryptocurrency called “$FJB, which officially stands for “Freedom. Jobs. Business.” but which they marketed to Trump loyalists as “F*ck Joe Biden.” By February 2023, Nikki McCann Ramirez reported in Rolling Stone that the currency had lost 95% of its value.

Since the indictment became public, Trump loyalists have insisted that the Department of Justice is attacking Trump’s First Amendment rights to free speech. Indeed, if Giuliani’s unhinged appearance on Newsmax last night is any indication, it appears that has been their strategy all along. Aside from the obvious limit that the First Amendment does not cover criminal behavior, the grand jury sidestepped this issue by acknowledging that Trump had a right to lie about his election loss. It indicted him for unlawfully trying to obstruct an official proceeding and to disenfranchise voters.

Today, Trump’s former attorney general William Barr dismissed the idea that the indictment is an attack on Trump’s First Amendment rights. Barr told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins: “As the indictment says, they're not attacking his First Amendment right. He can say whatever he wants. He can even lie. He can even tell people that the election was stolen when he knew better. But that does not protect you from entering into a conspiracy. All conspiracies involve speech. And all fraud involves speech. Free speech doesn't give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy.”

Rudy Giuliani has his own troubles in the news today, unrelated to the attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election. His former assistant Noelle Dunphy is suing him for sexual harassment and abuse, and new transcripts filed in the New York Supreme Court of Giuliani’s own words reveal disturbing fantasies of sexual domination that are unlikely to help his reputation. (Historian Kevin Kruse retweeted part of the transcript with the words, “Goodbye, lunch.”)...

"Birds of a feather" with Donny & Rudy over this sexual assaulting of women stuff, aye? And apparently maga is just fine with it all. Let me tell you folks, they will make excuses for him no matter what he did/does/says.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... ust-2-2023

[roller24]

roller24 wrote: ↑
August 2nd, 2023, 12:39 pm
The entire Trump Russia collusion hoax was projection to cover for the DNC at the Ukranian Embassy colluding with a foreign country to influence an election. Sytnyk and Leshchenko were both found guilty in Ukraine for interfering with the 2016 election. Sytnyk was Obama's choice to head the NABU, ironically enough.

Thuffering thuck-a-tash ..another load of maga tears. The government was lawfully doing it's job by investigating Trump after he very publicly called for their help in collision.

The phone call had not yet occurred.
Trump was informed about the UKR/DNC interference into the 2016 election against him, prior to Zelensky's election.
Why wouldn't he ask for verification of a crime committed by the people that were fraudulently accusing him of that same crime with Russia?
Why would he ignore it?

[ripper5]

roller24 wrote: ↑
August 2nd, 2023, 12:39 pm
The entire Trump Russia collusion hoax was projection to cover for the DNC at the Ukranian Embassy colluding with a foreign country to influence an election. Sytnyk and Leshchenko were both found guilty in Ukraine for interfering with the 2016 election. Sytnyk was Obama's choice to head the NABU, ironically enough.

Thuffering thuck-a-tash ..another load of maga tears. The government was lawfully doing it's job by investigating Trump after he very publicly called for their help in collision.

The phone call had not yet occurred.
Trump was informed about the UKR/DNC interference into the 2016 election against him, prior to Zelensky's election.
Why wouldn't he ask for verification of a crime committed by the people that were fraudulently accusing him of that same crime with Russia?
Why would he ignore it?

What came first, the chicken or the egg?
Answer is: It doesn't matter.

Trump proved an investigation into his campaign was necessary with his own public bragging to do just that, and ever since then too.
Orange Vomit tried to deter the investigation and witnesses at every turn, another good reason to take look and keep looking.

At the end of the day, Trumpy never measured up to Hillary's bravery by testifying himself. To this day, he and his magafants claim that he is above the law because of his political status. It's time to rain on that parade!

Today is a good day to be a liberal progressive, lover and keeper, of freedom. Pass the popcorn!

[roller24]

Trump proved an investigation into his campaign was necessary

That investigation began with Brave Hillary paying a law firm to pay a spy to pay a russian for a salacious lie.

Federal election regulators fined Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee earlier this month for not properly disclosing the money they spent on controversial opposition research that led to the infamous Trump-Russia dossier.

Who wouldn't fight a false accusation with whatever sources available?

[ripper5]

Too bad. Let the fine fit the crime. It all just further proves my statement that magas will excuse any and every evil their Orange prophet does and spews. 4pm est

The indictment is what’s known as a “speaking indictment,” one that explains the alleged crimes to the public.

It undercuts Trump loyalists’ insistence that the Department of Justice is trying to criminalize Trump’s free speech by laying out that Trump did indeed have a right to challenge the election—which he did, and lost. He also had a first-amendment right to lie about the election.

What he did not have was a right to use “unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results.”

[roller24]

laughable. You say further proven, then quote an accusation that has yet to be proven.
Any verdict will be appealed to the USC, and I'm quite certain that Jack Smith will once again be slapped on the wrist for his mis-comprehension of the law. They don't cotton to 1st amendment infringement.

[ripper5]

Well I'm quite certain that your opinion is gleamed straight from fox and assorted rightwingnut talking heads who continue to get it wrong.