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i won a contest 2nd hand got some LED's
i put up a rack to hang them from today.
parts store did not have the T's i wanted so had to
make due. so i have hung a rack. then i hung the leds. then put 1st plant under one. the plant is getting side light from a 1k while a plant
finishes in about 2 weeks or so. so kind of need to do a thread at ic mag where i won.
my thread there will be all in B&W to fuck with them.
i will do thread here also but in color.

Lrus007 wrote: ↑

Sun May 29, 2022 10:41 pm

i won a contest 2nd hand got some LED's
i put up a rack to hang them from today.
parts store did not have the T's i wanted so had to
make due. so i have hung a rack.
rack.JPG

then i hung the leds. then put 1st plant under one.
a11.JPG

the plant is getting side light from a 1k while a plant
finishes in about 2 weeks or so.
to finish.JPG

so kind of need to do a thread at ic mag where i won.
my thread there will be all in B&W to fuck with them.
i will do thread here also but in color.

Hey brother Lrus!

Nice on-the-fly-engineering!

Well done!

I'm keen to see your thread develop, old friend!

I might even go check out the B&W edition!

Thank you for posting it!

Regards,
WHAB

well a weekly update. noticed a little more stretch this 1st week.
nothing to bad. i trim down last plant under the 1k next sunday.
it will be missing the side light it is getting now. will add a 2nd
plant next sunday also. will plug in other side of the led then.
kind of nice can use 1/2 of led by unplugging a cord.

well added a plant today. i also trimmed a plant that
was under a 1k. so no more 1k side light after today.
i have added chem d #10. i number my plants. looking
good so far on 1st plant. a bit of yellowing so fed it
well tonight. plan on adding another next sunday.
will be turning on 1/2 of the 2nd led for it.
that's about it. enjoy

Nice little bushes!

Grow karma

Fascinated by LightEmittingDiode grows. Even though all the diodes on my left side been acting again.

a little update are a bit to bright. i like that to intense.
i have sunburned some tops today. i turned
dimmer down a little and raised light 1/2 a foot.
might need to raise more. is look and see at this point.
learning curve. glad i am quick learner.

The LEDs sunburned the tops!?

I forget, how much wattage are one of these panels are pulling?

You shouldn't but could you touch one of the LEDs or too hot?

300 watts i can touch them so was not heat.

The GLA's I run, will mos def burn the tops of plants, or bleach them white. Hell the more I think about it, my wee HLG veg light will bleach, if to close. Once I find a sweet spot for them, I usually do not move mine. Dimmers rock also!

Damn nice you won yours!!!

was going to add 1 plant but both were same size.
so i added 2 plants indica and columbo today. then here is a photo of all 4 now. then here is a top i sunburned lol light is higher now. so far working well cept the burn. live and learn..

Those plants are looking great to me, and the burn will out grow.
I'm realizing, if I do not water/tea from the top down, the gnats do not start their life cycle.
Once I put my 3 g pots in the tray, I did add extra holes in each pot, but the wicking of the solution, keeps the tops dry.
I see you use over sized saucers, as I have for a long time now, but I never used them as a wicking feature, for the whole grow.
I used them to keep from adding water/tea so often.

i make my own soil, a heavy soil. i have watered from
the bottom forever. the burn is growing out.
i think they look pretty good also. never used led
except as side lighting. so i am learning as i go.
i lift every pot every night. if light water if heavy none.

Once I tried watering bottom up, I was sold. Jes simpler.
Sweet plants lrus, easy on the eyes.

They totally under leds now? One 300w bank?

2 plants under each 300 watt now.
so both lights are running now.
thanks

looking good so far have grown out of the burn.
here is all 4 here are the 2 newer ones a week in. then 1st plant is starting to bud nicely. seem to be working nicely so far.
a small learning curve but i am a quick learner.

Nice recovery.

well here is all from 2 sides then just the 2 in for 2 weeks now bud plant#2 then bud plant #10 everything seems to be going smoothly

Hello!

a few honest comments before i do this weeks update.
plants look good. i have noticed on 1 plant so far
the buds are not as big around as under MH.
is smaller leafs and less size calyx's. then the mids are going to be a lot smaller.
might make for a long trimming session. not complaining, just what i see i have grown it
many times. other observation is that the plants
stretch a few inches more under LED's. that has been
all of the plants. but everything is looking good.

well here is this weeks update.
here is a side photo of all plants. then i added 1 last plant today. that will be all of
my strains. just so i can how all my kinds do under LED's
it is my hashplant. so we have 5 plants now under them. so far everything is looking good.

Buetiful! Grow karma
Couple questions how much of an absolute wattage difference between your normal MH grow versus this led?
About the rebar sog, do you do training of the plants, are they tied in, o jes resting?

Nice pics too.

ok 1 k MH is what i use mostly. for some reason my strains
do better under MH than they did under HPS. so is what i use.
the 2 LED's are 300 watt's each so 600 vs 1000 watts.
the rebar cage is best idea i had lol. ok with the cage
you can lay bamboo across it anywhere needed to stake to.
in both photo's you can notice a piece of bamboo i added today.
when i did the sog in cups. i put a bamboo skewer in each cup
to tie to. so did not use cage for it.
also thank you

Very interesting...

a mid week update just for mpg thread lol
a11 is fading almost looks like it might finish early. then the chem d is coming along nicely.
it was 2nd plant into bloom. then here is all of them from the side. so i think there looking pretty good.

Those are some really nice classic strains.

guess it is weekly update time.
will start with a11 is about done will
trim it next sunday. a bud shot then it and chem d next to it. then indica and colombo then the lumbo and Lhp are shorter so sitting on pots.
next week after i trim will move plants around.
then will be 2 taller and 2 shorter. each 2 about same size. here for mpg is a extra photo from another side. everything is looking fine. buds are not as big around
but they are looking good.is 400 less watts so there is that.
also is 1st plant done. others might do better.
not griping just saying what i see and do.
enjoy

Show us your LEDs mate!

Nice shot

Prawn Connery wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:05 pm

Show us your LEDs mate!

here they are when i unboxed them.

well a11 is done. so as trimmed today then a bud shot then a close up well that is the a11. i will do weekly update later.
i still have chores to do. if not tonight tomorrow.

ok this weeks update. trimmed 1 so moved
2 plants. 2 are taller and 2 are shorter. but
there close to same size each 2. no more
need toneed to lift the 2. trimming the a11 today
the buds were smaller but quite a few.
i should add some side light.was some pretty
small buds to trim. but all and all looked good.
here is #10 left and #11 right. there the taller 2. then we have #3 left and #L right the shorter 2. then a bud shot of #10 it will be next one done. that is about it. everything is looking good.
enjoy

guess another week has passed.
lets start with 3 & L
notice i have added a little light for bottoms. then we have 10 & 11 then a bud shot of #10 about 2-3 weeks till #10 gets trimmed.
that's about it

Grow Karma

another week has past here is a update.
10 and 11 then 3 and L the bud shot of 10 then a bud shot of L is about it. number 2 is dry. yield was to not bad.

Now are your numbers after switching to led?

lrus is killing it!

beautiful shots of a beautiful grow...

arb wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:48 am

Now are your numbers after switching to led?

little under 1/2 of what i get under 1k.
the 1st plant was 77 grams.

Purty! The aesthetics alone

houston we have a problem....
#11 has nanners.. never ever had them before.
are no light leaks ect. everything was the same.
i will trim it on sunday a little early.

Damn. NO grow karma for you today.


Kidding, grow karma.

Shit happens sometimes I had some this week myself.
Found a few shit seeds in that shit tree.

grown this plant well over 20 years.
never did it before. odd

Musta been something that caused that?

only thing different is the LED's i am trying.
seems so odd i dono..

That is odd.

Ya know............perhaps the light from the leds is SO pure,so clean,so crisp,so on par you just never saw them before?








Sorry the smartass in me had to.

Lrus007 wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:24 pm

grown this plant well over 20 years.
never did it before. odd

Lrus007 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:18 am

only thing different is the LED's i am trying.
seems so odd i dono..

Lack of UV?

Well lrus if you grow again with MH from the same stock and nanners, yanno, not LED.
If you don't, LED highly suspect. UV, lower energy, LED growing not dialed in...

maybe it's just yer photography, they're nervous. That's new right? . Oh hey, how did the black and white pictures turn out?

well shows up very well in B&W
i have no idea why it has happened.

Intrinsic wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:27 pm

Well lrus if you grow again with MH from the same stock and nanners, yanno, not LED.
If you don't, LED highly suspect. UV, lower energy, LED growing not dialed in...

maybe it's just yer photography, they're nervous. That's new right? . Oh hey, how did the black and white pictures turn out?

thought of something...
the plant in bud on 1st page of this thread is same plant under MH.
it had no nanners when done.. just food for thought.

LED growing not dialed in lol. is a light, or maybe they have to be set
at 87% on dimmer and 13mm from top of plant to work properly.

I was thinking in the difference from being a point source to an area source, I knew I had to adjust my style going from using a single light to a 14 T6-fluoro bank giving a 4 x 4 source area.
Admittedly you have more experience then I had. Jes spitballing
That might be more for yield tho.

Nanners, maybe just cheap LEDs with a fucked Spectrum for growing? I wonder what prawn would say.

ahh we know what he would say lol
i did this batch as a test since i won some light's.
i am being as honest as i can. i went in with a open mind.
everything looks great otherwise.

Welp..............can't be the light it's the newest rage.
Half the yield at half the draw kinda works out to the same gpw but takes twice the space to hit hps numbers seems to be the rough standard when not being used by a schill.
Schills get MUCH better numbers........maybe that's the secret ingredient?

No one talks about the 5 to 10 degradation that happens yearly with them shits either.

well 11 got the chop today a bit early.
been plucking nanners all week. so odd never before.
top shot then a side shot. then a bud shot. so anyway i sat in a perfectly dark room after
lights were off. is cement and under ground.
but i did it anyway. there are no light leaks in the room.
why a plant thru nanners after 20+ years i do not know.
anyway is chopped down today.
i will do my weekly update later.

time for weekly update.
there we have 3 & L then we have 10 10 bud shot 3 bud shot L bud shot down to 3 show will be over in a few weeks.

Aside from the nanners any other differences in structure or expression?

well buds are a little smaller. a lot of stretch first
2 weeks of bud. the buds look good look like HPS
grown buds. except the nanners been a alright grow.
is 600 vs 1000 watts so there is that also.

well 3 comes down tomorrow.
sadly some bud rot on a few tops.
side shot and rot then a good bud shot will do my weekly update tomorrow

Is the Botrytis new also?

Chingas! Simply Beautiful. The black & white thread must really be missing out.

yes the rot is new. not had rot in many years.
what mpg see's what icmag see's i do like some of the B&W photo's

Hps does eat humidity perhaps it was the lack of that drying effect creating higher than usual humidity?
Shit needs 70% and up to grow is my understanding.

yes is a colder room. i also think lack of heat is part of it.

first the loss to mold. not seen that in a long time. then moved a plant. so is 2 plants under 1 of the LED's now then 10 will be trimmed next sunday then 2 shots of L few more weeks show will be over.

You gonna stick with the leds or go back to hid?

what would you do?

Bail on them shits but thats me.........may be they solved some other issues that makes it worth it?

my guess they will want them back for testings
mabe after one more round with seeds they provide...

Whoever "they" are should chime in with some speculation.














Bet they say grower error.........

i will try them again one day.
is 1st time using LED's so i have learned as i go.
like need to not have them too close to plant.
then other things like less heat = less waterings.
for little over 1/2 the watts yield seems ok.

Beautiful plants, Lrus007!! I cut a few a couple of weeks back, and spied some specs of mold also.
Rare event for my area, but after some snooping about, I found, I had bumped my speed controller on the exhaust fan, maybe when I swapped the filter out a while back.

10 is being trimmed tomorrow.
seemed to go 2 weeks longer so i let it. then will be down to 1 plant. will do weekly update tomorrow

and then there was one.
am down to L now. i am going to keep
the whole 300 watts on it. did not want to
unplug 1/2 the bar and only let it get 150 watts.
here is whole plant shot. then a few bud shots. it has some neat bud shapes to it.
well down to 1 plant. so this show will be
over soon. been a fun little project.


then for mpg 1 of the B&W's looked cool.

Thanks for sharing it was a interesting run.

one left to go. be a few weeks

weekly update time
there is plant from 2 sides. then i like side lighting for lowers makes a difference. then of course a bud shot. few more weeks to go. still looking good.

Very nice grow!!
I ran a packet of freebies, a couple of years ago, a Thia/Mullum cross, of the 9 plants, some were finished by 18 weeks.
The last one still pushing white hairs was cut at week 26, and I do not think she would have ever showed me, what I'd call finished buds.
Damn, I loved that weed!

i miss thai

weekly update. is on water diet now.
here is 2 side shots. then 2 bud shots. think it gets trimmed next sunday.
this show is almost over.

Those look delicious Lrus007!! And from a free LED, to boot, makes it all the better to me anyway. Very nice colors on her.

Ditto

grow karma!

weekly update time. well was going to trim but plant
is not quite ready. lot of white hairs still.
here is top here is side then a bud shot. the show must go on

well weekly update
trimming the last plant tomorrow.
here is top side then 2 bud shots guess the photo show is over.
i been jotting down notes
will give final thoughts in another post.
thanks for watching

1st off i was learning as i went. LED’s are new to me. a HID user.
i had a few mishaps this grow. must be because i did a thread. lol
i really like the plant light coverage from above.
i was having lights to close. is 12-18” i have learned now.
*thank you mars for telling me.
lots of stretch the 2 weeks of 12/12 3-4” more or so.
buds look like HPS grown. longer less big around buds. but greasier looking.
calyx’s do not swell as much as they do under MH. leafs are also smaller.
is the same with HPS vs MH bud shape and swelling of buds.
think mold was from some hot humid days outside. also lack of 1k heat to dry the air.
the hermi on a plant that never has before i do not know why.
2 plants did not finish as quickly as normal. both went 2 weeks longer. not a problem.
i would say LED’s went about 2’ deep into plants light wise.
HID 1k’s go about 2 1/2’ deep into plants. is why i did some taller
and some shorter. i ran all my strains to really test them on everything.
was much less watering and fert’s for the plants as the LED’s and room was cooler.
as for yield was over 1/4 lb per plant. a good amount for 600 watts. with tweaking and
adding plants. could have been better. it did well in my opinion for my first try and testing
plant size. mostly grow 1-2 plants at a time. i grew out all my strains for this thread.
i grow for smoke not for sale. i have plenty of smoke. will be cloning off clones a while.
i think LED’s would be great for those with heat problems. i have cold room so need the
HID heat in the winter. i think they did well i will try them again in the future.

grow Karma. top Shelf

i have 3 small plants in grow under 1 of the LED's.
i would say they are better for bud stage. plants have
smaller leaf's and rather pale. seem to do better just
under cfl tubes. also i had them to close to start with.
tempted to fire up a mh to boost them. but i will let
them go and see.

If you have the right LED with lots of far red light, then they kill in flower. Most of the cheap Chinese LEDs have too much blue in them, which can stress plants and slows photosynthesis. The only thing extra blue is good for is keeping plants compact and thickening the epidermis, which is desirable in edible greens but not in flowering plants.

most LED's are made for budding. very HPS like light.
i would like a grow LED that is more MH like.

aside from that they budded well. also i won them.
i will use again this summer.

Most of the Chinese LEDs are made for whatever the Chinese think they're made for because they don't actually grow cannabis and just copy everyone else within a price point.

In reality, they are closer to MH than HPS. Here is your Mars spectrum. It has a lot of blue and green light in it and a CCT of 3700K. HPS usually has a CCT of around 2200K. The Mars has almost no Far Red and has no violet or UV. That blue spike is what's bleaching your buds. And the extra stretch – contrary to what many might at first think – is also due to that blue spike, which is causing heat stress that results in more stretch (not less, as many in the LED world will tell you should be the case with more blue light).

I'm not trying to sell you one of mine, but there is a quite a difference in spectrum and results. Note the extra red, far red and UV
Again, I'm not trying to shit on you, but you have to understand there is a much bigger variation in LEDs on the market than there is MH or HPS bulbs, which basically use the same technology to produce light.

i was going on what finished buds look like.
they look like HPS grown vs MH grown.
then in grow same thing looks HPS.

We're seeing the opposite. LED bud looks more like that grown under CMH than HPS. Again, I'm not trying to discourage, just trying to help. Your lights were too close but I think you already know that now.

live and learn

well summer is here. so doing a few plants under LED's.
got 2 plants in place 2 weeks apart. 2 more weeks will
add the 3rd plant. then on back side all the extra clones.
i am dropping the lumbo. so it is in bud for the last time.
the 2 plants then back side with the clones.

added the 3rd plant on sunday. then back side with the extra clones. on sunday i turned on other 1/2 of the LED when i
added the 3rd plant. is at 75% i will turn it up in a
week or two.

well there going. on sun turned LED to 100%
front back side with the extra clones.

Thick forest!

doing a few more. left to right 2 sensi star 1 wedding cake and 1 chem z.
with extra clones in the back ground.

well the whole row. then the sensi star's are starting to bloom. move 1 and add 1 next sunday.

well the sa are budding now. the 2 plants. then a close up of a bud.

well after these plants are done taking winter off.
so i will be taking clones from clones. needed a light
for the teens. so bought a 4 pack of 4' led's 5000k.
made a light bar last night. used 3 of them. so some
lath, zip ties and string. went together easy. should work for the teens. also was cheap $45.
each 2 tubes is 40 watt's. so 120 watts all together.

Great thread. The pictures are incredible. Those new LEDs must be manufactured by Grow Lights Australia, to yield such a beautiful crop.

thanks
are mars hydro LEDs i won. using them for budding.
the home made one is for teens and clones ect.
will be taking the winter off here soon. so i will be
taking clones off of clones over the winter. i took
some today. then moved clone/ teens around under
the home made led bar.

well grabbed the cam.
sensi star top and bud shot. is 2 plants of it.
that photo sucked so just 1 plant lol then wedding cake and GMO just starting to bud
on the one. other is 2 weeks younger. then the bud on leaf stem is doing nicely.

roller24 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:52 pm

Great thread. The pictures are incredible. Those new LEDs must be manufactured by Grow Lights Australia, to yield such a beautiful crop.

That can't be right. GLA plants look like this. There's even a little Sensi Star in there.Currently half-way through flowering. They got a little haircut last night (not this photo) to thin out the fan leaves a bit.
Sorry for the spam, but I blame roller

well home made LED light bar looks like will be fine
for the teen's and such. i will be cloning off clones over
the winter. the bud on a leaf stem is doing well. here is how much the chemz seed plant grew after
put in the bud room. near two foot it shot up. then here is a bud shot of it so far. then the sensi star is about 2 weeks from being done.
have 2 hard to get photo of both so here is 1 of them. then a bud shot. guess is a limit of 6 photo's. see you on next page

then we have wedding cake on left and GMO on right. then bud shot of the wedding cake. put into bud room each plant 2 weeks apart.
there are 2 of the sensi because grew so fast so i did 2.

I wanna try some Sensi

well the chem z seed plant is doing well. then it's bud on a shade leaf is growing nicely. the 2 sensi star's be done next sunday. on water diet. bud shot. then the wedding cake and GMO. close up of wedding cake. well that is 6 photo's i got seven see you next post

here is a shot from the back side.

ripper5 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:51 pm

I wanna try some Sensi

It's pretty strong. A bit leafy, but the best pheno IMO is the indica pheno that tastes like lenon-pime menthol.

Mrs Fly put me on to that one. I wonder how she's doing these days?

cut the sensi star 2 plants down today. then moved the chemz
into there place. so down to 1 LED and some side lighting.
here is the bud growing on a leaf stem, is growing. then here is the chemz plant and a bud shot. then here is the 3 left to go and some clones in background. the sensi star was a bit leafy but trimmed up well.

Beautiful pic of the Sensi star.

here is the bud on a shade leaf on the chem z seed plant. then here is top of the plant. then here is a bud shot. is a nice looking plant so far.
off to the next post cuz only 5 photo's per post.

then here is the wedding cake.
top of plant. then a lower bud shot. then we have the GMO then a bud shot. seems mighty skinny.

well 1st we have the chemz
the bud on a shade leaf still growing. then kind of the whole plant. top bud then a lower bud. is a pretty nice seed plant. faint cherry and fruit smell.
off to the next post

then wedding cake.
most whole plant. then top buds. then lower down the plant. is doing well might be tricky trimming.

then gmo
most the plant. then the top. then lower down. then the clones on back side are doing well. the end of the beer cups lol
was a few posts because only so many photo's per post.

well bud growing on shade leaf stem is still going. the plant chemz is almost done here is a bud shot. here is a top lowers seem to look better. then posable nanner or just a odd light green leaf on the wedding cake. mid way down on the wedding cake. then top of the GMO i am debate with the LED's pros and cons. seem to have more
cons. was taking winter off i got plenty of smoke. but a HID
going helps keep pipes warm in the freezing weather. so i think
i will do a round under a MH. will stagger plants 2 weeks or so.
i will bring up my pro's and cons in another post.i am sure prawn
will have a long rebuttal lol

Haha! No, not at all! I actually produced two different types of LED panel when I first started doing this and one of them was designed specifically to work with CMH.

Here is the "High Red" LED panel I designed (note, no UV and lots of red and far red light)
Here is a CMH spectrum (note, lots of UV, blue and cyan light)
And here is the combined spectrum
And here is the result – the above measurements were of an actual grow, this one
I actually tell my customers that if they have a HPS or CMH and are concerned about low temperatures during winter, not to get rid of the HIDs and to run them with the LEDs when its cold.

The basic rule is, if your ambient temperatures are ideal (around 30C) then LED will prove itself every day of the week. But if you need to add metabolic warmth then there is nothing wrong with using a HID to supplement with infrared.

What I would suggest is that if you are going to mix LED with HID, then you try to balance the spectrum and not have too much blue. MH has a lot of blue and green, while CMH is more balanced. HPS has a lot of green and red (and especially far red, which is beneficial) and very little blue, so can compliment most LEDs. However, most LEDs have no UV and neither do most HPS lamps.

So if you can combine a CMH lamp with a high-red LED panel, you get the best of all worlds: warmth, UV, far red and a nicely balanced spectrum.

LED is a no-brainer for me because it doesn't get very cold where I live, but it does get very hot. I also grow indoors which means there is not a large variation in temperature year-round because we regulate our indoor temps during winter and summer. But if anything, I am trying to reduce heat in the grow area.

my opinion i could be wrong lol it happens

1st a little back story. years ago went to amsterdam.
noticed pot was not as good as in the PNW. also noticed
smaller buds. so asked some growers what they used.
most said a 400 watt and a few a 600 watt. no 1000’s
there power is watched and expensive so use smaller lights.
is why there buds were smaller. so to get bigger buds need the watt’s.

ok grown out a few crops now with LED’s got some pro’s and cons.
i have grown under tubes, MH, HPS and now LED’s never tried a CMH.
i have always done the best with MH. room is a cold wet basement.
can only do led bloom in summer when warm enough outside and inside.
the LED’s great coverage. do go 2 - 2 1/2’ deep into plants about same as
MH. the LED buds grow more spear shaped vs a lollypop under MH. i noticed
with the LED’s i have not had to tie up large buds. they do ok i got over a 1/4 lb
per plant under them in a 1 gal pot. the lowers seem to grow better under LED’s.
under a MH i have to tie some buds down and lowers are not bad. i do shorter
plants then most people do. less popcorn/larf with 2 1/2’ plant or so. i have a few
LED grows under belt now. so going to do a MH run same plants same pots
just to see the difference. plus keep house pipes a bit warm to boot. i will take
1 of the 300 watt LED and put in transplanted / teens room it should work nicely.
with the LED’s i had a learning curve and not quite there. if there to close they get
light bleached and look like collaflower on tops. to far away and buds grow long
spears. i do have some strip LED’s around a MH cage they help with the lowers also.
ok lastly with some more LED cons. had 3 different plants throw nanners that never
did before. then i had 2 plants get some mold for the 1st time in bud. then the kicker
lost a plant i have had 42 years the LED’s just cooked it. did same to another plant
i had over 20 years. so lost 2 strains to them. they did not like the change.

trimmed on sunday. i have not grown wc or gmo or smelled/smoked
them before. i trimmed one marked wedding cake. not bad of a trim
very gummy. after i trimmed person i got cuts from says he thinks that
he sent just gmo cuttings. were in different clone bags 1 marked wc
other marked gmo and 1 marked sensi star. he thinks he took wc off
wrong plant. after i trimmed had he told me a day before i could have
stared the 2 plants next to each other. so walked back and forth looking
at shade leafs between them ect. then smelled what i trimmed think it
is gmo. then smoked some scissor hash and made me think gmo more.
plant left is marked gmo is about done. smells a little different so maybe
he mis marked them.i will know when i trim down in 2 weeks. the chemz
gets trimmed this sunday. so here is the bud on a leaf stem looking good. be trimmed next sun. i will cut the shade leaf and hang it to dry.
then here is a bud shot of the chemz. and here is either gmo as marked or wedding cake mis marked. when these are done i will switch to MH for bud and led for clones/teens.

he will resend wc if what i have is 2 gmo's

whats gmo. I assume it's not what I think.

^^^
"Garlic, Mushroom, Onion"
...a cross of Girl Scout Cookies and Chemdawg.

At least I'm pretty sure that's what Lrus has.

you are right bob

moved LED to grow room. plants faded a lot since tubes. i have
been raising them with hope of greening up. is mostly
the old a11 not liking it.top right of photo. looks a little better
today. i put a cfl by it other day. it is like the led's are missing
a spectrum to make darker leafs. like under tubes or HID
the leafs are much darker. then maybe i just have them
to close. am a old dog learning new tricks the hard way. plugging in a 1k on sunday and will bud the plants under it.
trying to do a plant every 2 weeks added. this will be number
one with all that light to it's self. then hard part of timing.

You need a good Cal-Mag supplement with nitrogen.

LEDs run cool so you need to increase your EC – and especially Ca, Mg and N – to offset reduced transpiration.

I see this all this time. Most of the time it is cleared up by a good NPK feed!

All my LED plants and seedlings are green as fuck, but I run much higher ECs – even from seed – than most people would dare try under HIDs or fluoros. It can also help to run your pH a little higher in veg to make calcium and magnesium more available.

You have a magnesium deficiency in your photos. Nitrogen helps uptake Mg, so that's why a good NPK fertiliser can also help.
Here's a grow from a mate who is a complete indoor noob on his first grow in coco under lights. I gave him a nutrient regime to follow and he is smashing it.

There could also be a bit of light stress going on and I would suggest turning them down a little while you bump the nutes until they recover.

Those Mars lights have a lot of blue in them and no far red so they can be quite strong. Too much blue light will stress plants without far red at the other end.

thank you for the input. i will boost the ferts a bit.
as for the cal i have worm bins. every time they are fed
you put lime on top of food. 1st so food does not sour.
2nd is kind of cool worms have gizzards. they use lime
as grit. so the castings got a lot of broken down cal.
i will add some epsoms to the fert mix for some mag.
still think is a to close and a spectrum thing.
but hey live and learn

It’s probably not broken down as much as you think if it’s big enough to be used as grit.

Cal-Mag Plus is a great product……..I can grow pretty good pot using organic inputs but I grow much better pot using store bought liquid nutrients.

Lrus007 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:57 pm

thank you for the input. i will boost the ferts a bit.
as for the cal i have worm bins. every time they are fed
you put lime on top of food. 1st so food does not sour.
2nd is kind of cool worms have gizzards. they use lime
as grit. so the castings got a lot of broken down cal.
i will add some epsoms to the fert mix for some mag.
still think is a to close and a spectrum thing.
but hey live and learn

Light stress mostly affects the tops of the plants and causes what I call "bronzing" because the leaves and tips turn more of a bronzy-yellow colour which is different to a nutrient deficiency or lock-out.

Remember that as you increase magnesium and nitrogen, the plant produces more chlorophyl which allows it to absorb more light, so magnesium deficient plants are more susceptible to light stress at even moderate light levels.

Cause, effect, cause.

plug i use organic soil but salts for fert's.

ok looking last night. less than week old transplants are
fading. only had problems with led's everything is great
under cfl tubes or hid. so it has to be the led light. i need
to move up more or turn down i guess at 75% atm. i did bump
the ferts and added some mag. ok since i have crossed out a lot
i think is a bad spectrum with the leds. or to close or turned up
to high. they look a little better since i raised light up a bunch.
tomorrow 1 gets moved to under a 1k all by it's self. then add 1
plant every 2 weeks if my timing is good. thanks for the input guys.

Urea nitrogen is great for making a garden turn dark green….but I wouldn’t use it if you’re close to flower.

A product that is primarily urea is called Verde.

ok i have raised the leds and is at 60% now. looks like
there not fading as bad now, but still fade. the a11 seems to hate the led the most. even when
i budded it under them. very pale. then moved a plant and 2 clones under 1k last night.
they look much greener in just a day. so i got to get light % and hight from plants figured out.
if not will go back to tubes for the teens.

This is going to sound a bit silly, but do they look the same under sunlight? Because you know plants are going to look greener under a MH spectrum.

Give them a foliar spray of Cal-Mag if you can – they will green right up.

Prawn Connery wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:01 am

Lrus007 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:57 pm

Light stress mostly affects the tops of the plants and causes what I call "bronzing" because the leaves and tips turn more of a bronzy-yellow colour which is different to a nutrient deficiency or lock-out.

think light stress is it. chatting with someone. they said they have leds
up pretty high and power turned down during grow. so after we talked
i went and turned led to 50% and raised them another foot or so. well
they are already looking not as faded and growing tips look better.
i did add some mag and bumped N for good measure.
so is looking better. think i was cooking them.

Is your room colder than normal…?

What are your lights out and lights on temps…?

^ Yeah that as well. Less transpiration also means pots don't dry out as fast because the water comes from the root zone.

yup lights to close and turned up to high.
there looking better now.
last week a11 this week a11 everything else is greening up now. live and learn

yup led's to close and turned up to high.
added a few under it today. but everything is greening up. the a11 is looking much better this week. it was affected
the most for fading out.

Did you increase the feed? Or just turn down the lights?

just turned leds down