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Intrinsic wrote:
Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:52 am
...known Russian propaganda sites such as RT, Gray Zone, Rumble, Fox etc.
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I'll give you RT as technically true...
...chalk up Rumble and Fox as your TDS kicking in...
...but The Grayzone?... :roflmao: ...you're funny. :p



Joe just needs a couple more weeks of everything looking good...then comes what is forecasted to be a colder than normal winter. Gasoline here is back up to the highest it's ever been...it is quite clear that oil & gas production is not going to be increased, which means costs will continue to rise. We'll see how Germany fares switching from pipeline delivery to ships...wonder how another virus lockdown would affect this change? My guess is that once the elections are over, it is going to be a high stress situation for much of Europe, until Easter. Don't know how it will turn out, but it will be interesting to see how these dynamics unfold.

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dill786 wrote:
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what are the chances of the Americans and NATO blowing up the dam and blaming it on the russians!!!
Dunno

What is the probability that the Russians would blow it up and blame it on NATO? I would expect that to be the higher probability since Putin's war machine controls it and the charges.

And should the two probabilities add up to 100%? Or maybe Eco terrorist? Damn civilian infrastructure dams.

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What are the chances that America/NATO will detonate 'dirty bomb' in Ukraine and blame it on Russia?


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/1 ... effort-yet
Among this war’s many casualties, Russia’s vaunted propaganda machine stands tall. The same people who helped elect Donald Trump and fueled Brexit are now struggling to deal with a bunch of cartoon shiba inus on Twitter. On the diplomatic stage, no one believes Russia’s claims, not even supposed allies like Cuba, China, and India. Only North Korea, Belarus, Eritrea, and Nicaragua play along. 
So when Russia claimed Ukraine was planning on blowing the dam at Nova Kakhovka, as a pretext to something, not even pro-Russian Telegram sources bought it. Russia’s Wagner mercenaries, on their GreyZone Telegram channel, were explicitly dismissive: “The enemy has absolutely no motive to blow up the hydroelectric power station. The Armed Forces of Ukraine want to take Melitopol in the spring, the front of the battle for it is planned to be opened from the Zaporozhye region, and also, in fact, to attack from Kherson.” Seems obvious, right? 
Other outlets have pointed out that the left bank (that is, the southern and eastern sides) of the Donetsk will suffer significantly greater flooding, which also happens to be the side that Russia is withdrawing toward. This modeling confirms that Russia would flood the lower-elevation side, which is also the side Russia is moving to. 

So to recap: 
1) Ukraine wouldn’t blow the dam, because that’s the route toward Melitopol and Crimea. They need the bridge intact. 
2) Russia wouldn’t blow it, because it would flood their own retreat and defensive positions south of Kherson. 

Anyway, the dam threats were starting to wear thin, no one giving them much heed, so Russia has moved to a new, more hysterical one—Ukraine is ready to detonate a nuclear “dirty bomb”—a crude device that combines radioactive material with conventional explosives. Russian defense minister Sergey Shoigu literally called up the defense ministers of Turkey, France, and the U.K. today to share this claim. So what is going on here? 
No, Ukraine isn’t going to detonate anything nuclear on their own soil. That is beyond ridiculous. But Russian leadership and state TV have been threatening nuclear reprisal against Ukraine for months. Heck, Vladimir Putin himself threatened a nuclear response to anyone who helped arm Ukraine the first days of the war. Everyone ignored him and his threat was, as usual, empty.

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On 27 April, ABC News reporter James Meek tweeted a single word – “facts” – above another Twitter post from a retired CIA officer, who stated that the 2014-2022 Ukrainian civil war was an eight-year “lab experiment” on Russia's military “tactics, techniques, and procedures.” It added that US intelligence and “unconventional warfare” experts had “learned a shit ton.”

It was the last time, to date, Meek posted on the social network. In fact, it seems it was the last time he did anything in public at all, both online and in-real-life. Rolling Stone has published an investigation into the veteran journalist’s vanishing act in the months since, revealing how just hours after that tweet was posted, a number of menacing vehicles blocked off roads around Meek’s apartment in Arlington, Virginia, then proceeded to raid the premises.


https://twitter.com/meekwire/status/1519239810921160704

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https://www.rt.com/news/565070-abc-inve ... sappeared/
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Post by dill786 »

well we have a new prime minister rishi sunak but as joe biden called him Rashee Sanook

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at work I heard some people whisper "OMG he's an indian we used to rule them"

some subtle racism going on..

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^^Maybe more than just subtle.


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a much better map that easy to read, interactive and rapidly updated


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/2 ... nteractive
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tons of graphs actually
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roller24 wrote:
Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:12 am
The global government will be structured in regional blocks, one of which being Eurasia. Putin wants Ukraine as a strategic part of the ECU to ensure control over the Sea of Azuv. If the previous soviet states all join the EU then Russia will have a less secure and a diminished role in the Eurasian Union.

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/186924/14 ... rategy.pdf
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/09/ ... build-one/
rSin wrote:
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a much better map that easy to read, interactive and rapidly updated


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/2 ... nteractive
The map gives credit to what I speculated about securing the Sea of Azuv. It's a vital part of the belt and road initiative of China and Rus.
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Post by Intrinsic »

Crimea next!
Russia's retreat from Kherson gives Ukraine firepower control over roads from Crimea
The Kremlin convincing us Russia is a superpower is the longest running scam of the post-cold war era.
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