GG4 & stardawg ( manny cut)

Prawn Connery · Post by **Prawn Connery** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:31 pm

Sounds like they need a feed - roots are searching for nutes. I like fish emulsion - it's usually a good source of calcium and magnesium as well as NPK and other micronutrients.

I mean, of course I like fish emulsion - I'm a fucking prawn!

dill786 · Post by **dill786** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:37 pm

thanks prawn

just repotted them, the gg4 has the most fibrous roots i have ever seen on a plant, really thick

sorry forgot to take pics, ill take some later....

Prawn Connery · Post by **Prawn Connery** » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:29 pm

Well that answers that. If it were moisture stress, the roots would have suffered. If you've got big plants with big roots, then it's almost definitely an overall nutrient deficiency. Easiest way to tell is to look at all your plants: if you feed them the same, and the biggest plants are yellowing, then it points to a nutrient deficiency; if the smallest plants are yellowing, it points to nutrient lock-out from over-fertilisation. The main difference being lock-out is usually (but not always) accompanied by tip and margin burning.

So do you think the compost was the issue?

dill786 · Post by **dill786** » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:13 pm

it could be the compost you may be right in your early assessment,

now i have repotted them , they still looking shit but roots are growing more rapid than the leaves, i have taken more cuttings to start again, but ill give it another week to see whats what !!

the stardawg is looking more healthier though

a pic of the fan leaf on the GG4, what do you think?? nutrient issue ??

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stardawg..

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dill786 · Post by **dill786** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:09 pm

i flushed the gg4 with water today all the pots, flushed untill i seen clear water coming out from the drainage holes........

MadMoonMan · Post by **MadMoonMan** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:40 pm

yeah nutrient lock out.

try some epsom salts and light with some high nitrogen

well mixed in water of course

Then ... do their feet sit in soaking? water logged soil?

MadMoonMan · Post by **MadMoonMan** » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:46 pm

I expect some leaf loss like that and use them to tell me what the plant is lacking and so I'm responding to a past lack of a nutrient or overwater or dried out cause I went to Honolulu for a week.

Each plant is a work in process individual in its own way.

dill786 · Post by **dill786** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:02 pm

MadMoonMan wrote:yeah nutrient lock out.

try some epsom salts and light with some high nitrogen

well mixed in water of course

Then ... do their feet sit in soaking? water logged soil?

thanks bro..

there were really rootbound though...

i read online that after flushing with water you have to wait till the pots are dry before you start giving them nutes again !!!?

Prawn Connery · Post by **Prawn Connery** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:57 am

An easy way to tell when your pots are rootbound is they start to yellow from the bottom up and drop leaves, as the root mass finds it more difficult to uptake nutrient.

I think MMM is right, as that first pic does look like lockout from a build-up of salts. Lockout is usually accompanied by leaf tip and margin burn, unlike a straight deficiency.

When I flush, I use a warm (not hot) 1/4 strength nutrient solution, as that not only flushes away excess salts but delivers a small amount of fresh nutrient to the root zone to make up for the lockout. And yes, let them dry out between waterings.

It might also be that the compost you're using is micro-nutrient deficient, so repotting into a decent mix would be beneficial.

Post by **roller24** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:00 pm

If you say, that this has not happened before, then what did you do this time, that you have not done in the past and visaversa? You mention the compost like it is new to your routine.
I agree with the krill. they look like they are starving, but is it a lack of nutrients in the soil, or PH imbalance is preventing uptake. There is also repotting stress that can occur, but should be temporary and followed by some growth increase.