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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:36 am

by smokebreaks

A damsel in distress.

Well folks, the time is here for the update you've all been waiting for.

Sorry, I'm certain it's not going to be quite the same as the verbose tales full of rapier wit you may've come to expect from the Helogale Parvula cretin we've all grown fond of over the years, but I'm not anywhere near as prolific with the linquistics and I'm not certainly not about to meander along with a bunch of circumlocutory prose.

Well maybe I can palaver with the best of 'em.

Who am I kidding? That is obviously not my style and since time is of the essence let's get on with what you've come to see.

This morning my phone rang and it went a little something like this:

Brrrrrinnng.... Brrrrrinnng...

Since I'm normally surfing the news and already have the phone in my hand pretty much all the time and I couldn't help but notice the caller id displaying a weird number that appears to be foreign. I answered it. Now I know most people just ignore those calls or block the number or decline them, but when I see crazy odd digits, I answer it anyhow because I work with people all over the globe and sometimes on the odd chance it's one of those telemarketers I love to fuck with them. Especially the ones that call to tell you that your shit Microsoft Windows computer is infected with viruses.

I only use Mac. That's it. SSH64 is it for me so I tend to get them all frustrated when I try and explain that no, my old Power Macintosh G5 isn't capable of running Windows XP so they should fuck off and try the next caller or better yet, try getting a real job.

Have you ever had the Indian/Pakistani/Tech Support scammer get so irate that they start swearing at you? Hang up and the fun continues as they get so infuriated sometimes they repeatedly call back after you hang up simply because they want to have the privilege of getting the last word in? I've been called a Randee ka bacha so many times I have lost count.

Oh yeah, now, where were we?

Brrrrrinnng.... Brrrrrinnng...

Hello this is ….

(since my business phones, home phone and toll free lines all forward to my cell if I am not in the office so customarily I just respond with my name.

Hi …., This is Nikki. I got your number from ….

Why Hello Nikki, honestly, I hadn't been expecting your call but I am ever so happy to hear from you.

A lot of people are concerned about you and really wondered if you were okay. So good of you to call.

Since this was the first time I'd gotten a chance to speak to her since I happened to make her acquaintance about a decade ago being the nice guy I am, I made sure to promptly apologize for the night PoM had woken her from a sound slumber to summon a car to return me to my hotel so that I could be headed back home in time for Christmas with family.

After a few minutes of talk back and forth about that, we moved on to the reason we're all here.

How's Thomas, I asked. Well, she replies that our furry vermin friend, the Mongoose is about as good as can be expected, all things considered.

She says, he's a bit thinner than he was when she last saw him, a little over 6 months previously, and though when he's asked he maintains he's doing okay but there are indeed some challenges as one can surely expect.

I asked the pleasantry questions and was curious about food and putting money on his account so that he could buy stuff from a canteen like you can put money on account for people staying in the gray bar motel here in the states. I was really intrigued because of what I had read with the ability to order a pizza and what not. She said that you can't bring in any food, and you can't give him anything but yes they do have “junk food” not quite like the fresh fruits of the island market, or the culinary experiences of the five star resorts.

She tells me about the prison visitation, which is as one would expect, short twenty minute conversation via telephones, separated by glass. Pretty much what you see depicted in the movies.

I mentioned that I've been meaning to write him a letter to wish him well and tell him to keep his spirits up and she mentions that it won't do any good if it's not in Thai, it ain't getting to him, and that there are no outgoing letters. Guess he didn't get the Christmas card.

I asked about his spirits and though she says he's been keeping himself busy with some other farangi room mates but the time is dragging on.

So I asked about what I've recently heard regarding his situation.

This is what we know.

Mongoose is planning on fighting his extradition, however at this time that is posing to be a bit of a difficult situation.

Mongoose apparently finds that he needs a lawyer, and fast. And apparently as we can all guess pro se representation is not going to work. I enquired as to what happened to the counselor that I had chatted with shortly before christmas? The response was that was a good question. It seems that all the hoopla from the alternative currency community pledging support from the day the news broke of Mongooses' detention, has simply not materialized.

So I asked today what the cost would be for the retainer to take the case?

200,000 Thai Bhat, or roughly $5,700 USD.

Ouch.

How soon?

He needs to come up with the retainer ASAP, preferably no later than Friday, May, 21st in order to have counsel present for the hearing on May 23rd.

He has to have a lawyer or he's going to get shafted.

But the worst part is that Nikki, will also now be stranded without money in Bangkok Thailand and it's likely that she's gonna need help.

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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 7:35 am

by Irwin the Troll

how about a gofundyourself?

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Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 11:59 am

by smokebreaks

Irwin the Troll wrote:how about a gofundyourself?

This is most likely the route that they are going to have to take to get funds together for his defense.

From what I've been told the past six months have been spent relying on the graciousness of hosts sympathetic to their circumstances.

It seems the illustrious windfall the US government claims Mongoose was the recipient of is non-existent.

I'm frantically working with a couple of others to help establish a crowd sourcing solution to this conundrum.

I'll post further updates in this thread.

To be continued...

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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 12:40 am

by MadMoonMan

I could come out of re tirement.

Need expenses up front.

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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 9:59 am

by Butcher Bob

smokebreaks wrote:
Irwin the Troll wrote:how about a gofundyourself?
This is most likely the route that they are going to have to take to get funds together for his defense.

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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:11 pm

by Jesús Malverde

I really don't have anything charitable to say about Tom at this time so I'll exercise my better judgment and just wish him the best of luck. Because i don't hate him or anything either, just wonder about that boy.

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 3:53 am

by AGD

Didn't PoM turn himself in? Why is he fighting extratition then?

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 7:05 pm

by Nightcrawler

AGD wrote:Didn't PoM turn himself in? Why is he fighting extratition then?

Precisely. This is making less and less sense by the day (if it ever made sense to begin with.)

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:25 pm

by Jesús Malverde

All Nikki needs is a one way ticket to the UK. Looks like 608 USD will do it. I'll bet she'll spend more staying in Thailand for the next few weeks. As for Tom. He was apparently a key mastermind behind a world famous website that sold addictive meth, cocaine and heroin in the amount of tens of millions of dollars to addicts if I understand correctly. The sheer quantity of stupid required to do that job for years and not to salt away a mere few thousand from the millions passing through for a legal retainer in the near certainty that it would at some point be necessary almost exceeds the known human capacity for stupidity.

In one sense, one can view this predicament as the ultimate proof that Tom never was in this for the money--that his commitment was on some level purely ideological. In fact, not making any money seems to have been at the very top of his list of career goals, it surely isn't an easy thing to be instrumental in dealing those immense quantities of hard drugs and not to amass a considerable fortune. Just as being a top player in the cannabis seed business for years and not making a considerable pile--or at least enough to retain counsel--is probably rather difficult. Even if getting rich weren't your goal, it would most likely happen unless you took active steps to ensure it didn't.

So it appears Tom took a highly active role in selling multimillion dollar amounts of potentially deadly hard drugs to desperate addicts throughout the world through a highly profitable business model and did it for reasons other than money. In fact, not only didn't do it for the money, but made a very special point of and went well out of his way to not make any money doing it. So why? What sort of demented idealism is fed by supplying addicts with the poisons they require to harm themselves while at the same time happily consorting with and befriending people getting rich doing so? I assume some misguided amoral Randian libertarianism coupled with a monkish desire for self deprivation and poverty. At least until that poverty becomes a problem.

Is there a more charitable explanation? I'm obviously struggling to construct one.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 3:39 am

by Mr. Natural

AGD wrote:Didn't PoM turn himself in? Why is he fighting extratition then?

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... start=1530" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's pretty well documented in the tread above that he was visited by Thai police, thrown in the back of a van and hauled off to jail. That's not how people usually turn themselves in.

He said that he wanted safe passage back to the U.S. to defend himself but the people he was in contact with in the U.S. government didn't accept his offer. Now that he's in prison in Thailand and if extradited he has no assurance of his safely arriving there, so he's fighting extradition.

Crooked DEA agents exist, that's a fact. If one thought PoM had part of a pass phase to a Bitcoin account containing millions and was trying to get it out of him, and PoM has anything to identify this guy, it's quite likely the guy would not like to see PoM not make it back to the U.S. If he's involved in the case, he'd be privy to information about his transport and could cause problems.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 3:50 am

by Mr. Natural

I bet he's glad you're not going to be on his jury.

A guy is accused of being involved in a website doing millions of dollars in business, he should have loads of money stashed away but he's broke, can't afford a lawyer and you can't think of an alternative?

How about, it wasn't PoM who was working for Silk Road?

There's probably ten people on this site alone who can post and sound like him. Every time you check into a hotel in Thailand they photocopy your passport. Anybody could bribe a night guard $20 and get a copy of anyone's passport who stayed at the hotel.

Maybe he had some minor involvement, maybe he was contacted and hooked up SR with a programmer or security expert and they guy decided to pose as Pom. It just doesn't add up that if he was the "mastermind" behind SR that he'd be broke.

Jesús Malverde wrote:All Nikki needs is a one way ticket to the UK. Looks like 608 USD will do it. I'll bet she'll spend more staying in Thailand for the next few weeks. As for Tom. He was apparently a key mastermind behind a world famous website that sold addictive meth, cocaine and heroin in the amount of tens of millions of dollars to addicts if I understand correctly. The sheer quantity of stupid required to do that job for years and not to salt away a mere few thousand from the millions passing through for a legal retainer in the near certainty that it would at some point be necessary almost exceeds the known human capacity for stupidity.

In one sense, one can view this predicament as the ultimate proof that Tom never was in this for the money--that his commitment was on some level purely ideological. In fact, not making any money seems to have been at the very top of his list of career goals, it surely isn't an easy thing to be instrumental in dealing those immense quantities of hard drugs and not to amass a considerable fortune. Just as being a top player in the cannabis seed business for years and not making a considerable pile--or at least enough to retain counsel--is probably rather difficult. Even if getting rich weren't your goal, it would most likely happen unless you took active steps to ensure it didn't.

So it appears Tom took a highly active role in selling multimillion dollar amounts of potentially deadly hard drugs to desperate addicts throughout the world through a highly profitable business model and did it for reasons other than money. In fact, not only didn't do it for the money, but made a very special point of and went well out of his way to not make any money doing it. So why? What sort of demented idealism is fed by supplying addicts with the poisons they require to harm themselves while at the same time happily consorting with and befriending people getting rich doing so? I assume some misguided amoral Randian libertarianism coupled with a monkish desire for self deprivation and poverty. At least until that poverty becomes a problem.

Is there a more charitable explanation? I'm obviously struggling to construct one.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 4:15 am

by AGD

Connection with Dr. Craig Wright somebody? :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic ... sg14870127

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:27 am

by Jesús Malverde

Mr. Natural wrote:I bet he's glad you're not going to be on his jury.

A guy is accused of being involved in a website doing millions of dollars in business, he should have loads of money stashed away but he's broke, can't afford a lawyer and you can't think of an alternative?

How about, it wasn't PoM who was working for Silk Road?

There's probably ten people on this site alone who can post and sound like him. Every time you check into a hotel in Thailand they photocopy your passport. Anybody could bribe a night guard $20 and get a copy of anyone's passport who stayed at the hotel.

Maybe he had some minor involvement, maybe he was contacted and hooked up SR with a programmer or security expert and they guy decided to pose as Pom. It just doesn't add up that if he was the "mastermind" behind SR that he'd be broke.

I agree, it doesn't add up. I'm basing my assumption on PoM being VJ/Cimon more on Tom's very pointed refusal to deny being that when given the opportunity than I am on any definitive pile of objective evidence. My theory in fact sucks and doesn't make much sense I'll admit. Except it's the best I can come up with given what I know. In the near certain event he is indeed extradited back to the US, I doubt his personal safety will be under any real threat, although his freedom will be under huge threat. But that return and risk is the very wish he expressed here! If he did what he is accused of, masterminding the SR site which appears to have had as its economic backbone selling addictive poisons to addicts who can't really provide proper consent to their side of the bargain, he really doesn't deserve much in the way of our sympathy. That doesn't mean he deserves to spend an inordinate time incarcerated for what is in fact a pretty ordinary offense once you unwrap it from its incredibly hyped sell job, and it doesn't even make Tom more morally culpable than say a tobacco or Big Pharma exec, who are likely to do worse entirely within the confines of the law. But selling junk to junkies or meth to tweakers, or enabling that if that's what Tom did, is not a cool way to make a living. It's not like selling cannabis or even psychedelics.

I think it most likely Tom was VJ/Cimon, that his "Diamond" story is partially or wholly a fabrication, and that he will be found guilty of his involvement with the SR site. He will very probably also like Ross be given a sentence beyond any reasonable amount commensurate with what he will be accused of having done and at that point become another victim of an insanely overzealous prosecution. If the presented facts bore out that he was VJ/Cimon and he were to be found guilty and sentenced to a year or two, frankly I'd think that would probably represent a reasonably just outcome.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 12:14 pm

by LadyConjecture

heh. seems like straight stories are hard to come by in all this, dun't it?

it's espicially hard when you can't look someone in the eye and have to take text as a verification of identity.

Thats why we need pictures. geostamped holding todays newspaper, in front of the jail sign with a guard.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:05 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Yes, having a moral sense and listening to it is just an awful thing isn't it? My main problem with libertarianism is generally its lack of any morality at all underpinning it. Yes, knowingly selling heroin to junkies to make profit is morally unsound. Care to actually enunciate a counterargument to that? Because i think if you try you will fail. I suspect you realize that as well and wisely won't try. Let's see.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:12 pm

by Jesús Malverde

The government should give the shit away. I'm not on any moral high horse about heroin being a sinful drug or anything, I'm on that high horse about people exploiting people's addictions for profit. Screw arresting people for possession or use or even giving it away, but I draw the line at selling for profit just because I believe that it exploits the user and worse incentivizes exploiting the user by making it lucrative to jam them for all you can. Now you might ask how this is really any different from selling tobacco or alcohol to alcoholics, and I'd reply that it isn't much. Those are bad ways to make a profit as well, but the people addicted shouldn't be forced to abstain or be harassed by the cops for maintaining their habits either. As perspective, I'd consider all of this less morally wrong than charging people outrageous sums for lifesaving pharmaceutical drugs they require to live just because you can--and that's not only legal to do in the US, but those who do--and don't gloat publicly--get held up as exemplars of decency and civic virtues for developing those drugs and then holding people's lives hostage to max out their profits. That makes a street junk dealer look like a saint by comparison. We should make moral calculations all the time, it's how right is differentiated from wrong.

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Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 11:39 pm

by MadMoonMan

if your an ex retired FBI senior agent you don't go "hiking" along the Iranian border" or visit your "relatives"

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 1:10 am

by smokebreaks

So the latest news is this.

We have gotten nowhere as far as I know and I'm not confident that it's going to be a favorable outcome by Friday unless we can all pass the hat and come up with a few bucks.

I'm running a little tight on the funds this week myself but I'm in for $100.00.

PoM's amusing tales had me entertained, I feel it's about the least I can do.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 1:59 am

by MadMoonMan

devnull wrote:So, really, it's capitalism you have the problem with.....heh. Fair enough. I hear you!

But I still say the detached route of a website score is a lesser harm, over-all... I'll spare my own 'real world' tales of Christmases past. Sometimes less harm is all we can hope for. As unsatisfying as it may be to our idealistic tenancies, normative moral relativism has to win out...i fink.

If I must comment on Mongoose; He's fucked. Sounds like this Nikki need not be.

A mass of peoples are unable to self discipline

Humanity devolves to mob rule

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:12 am

by Lrus007

um $5700 is a lot.
there are not 57 members here that could do $100 each..
even if they wanted to. so would have to be some other way.
what that would be i do not know.
i wish him luck. is a sad story.
Lrus007

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:18 am

by smokebreaks

Yeah, it really sucks cause I could have made it $250 and just let the domain and the hosting expire for this place. Instead I just paid that for another year too.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 4:16 am

by AGD

100 quick bucks from me without knowing where the money goes = 270

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:34 am

by smokebreaks

Alright. I asked, and we managed to scrape together a few hundred bucks.

Thanks.

This concludes our crowd source funding efforts.

If you want to or pledged to contribute, send me a private message and I'll get you my paypal account and I'm then just going to use that and my rewards points to send get an international money order for Baht from an international bank to post to Nikki and ask that she use it for herself to go and enjoy herself as it seems that really there's no attention paid to her.

She tells me that is completely intentional, she's a very private person and doesn't seek or want any attention, nor does she need any.
Anyone who really knows her knows how she is really disinterested in and about the whole internet tech world. Her privacy is to be respected from here.

I honestly have got to hand it to that woman, she is the most very sweet and caring and loyal person one could meet. You can tell she really believes in her heart that Mongoose is going to manage to figure a way out of this and she's there to support him.

This is all about him, and honestly has nothing to do with her. She's just there to support someone who needs it.

And I totally get that.

I hated to the be the one to tell her that I believe his ticket has already been bought, and there is going to come a day when have to face the reality that there is no way that they are going to let him slip and that she needs to plan for looking after herself.

Right now, that's really not her concern, and she was pretty adamant that it's really not mine, nor really any of ours either.

Right now they've got other issues that they have to tend to. As much as some others would like to pass judgment from the confines of their keyboards, I'm going to leave it alone, wish him well and send over what I can to help them out.

No one really knows what it's like to walk in the other person's shoes.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:21 am

by Jesús Malverde

Well I respect those who are less cynical than I am and who want to help someone out. That's almost never a bad impulse to follow. I hope the best for Tom and Nikki, neither one really deserves what is likely coming.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 11:49 am

by AGD

devnull wrote:Hey, you tried. May she get some pleasure from it.

Just looked at the Western Union instant cash transfer thing, where you'd just send her a code. Charge is about 8 percent. ID needed, but, as you say, she's an innocent so...no real biggie, in the scale of things. Merely an option.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:24 pm

by Kilo20

Hello all!

He is getting what he wants? He did say he wanted to fight this he will now have his chance if anyone was going
to cause him harm it would happen in Thailand not traveling on a flight into the US.

I think, he'll get State side and co-operate with the Feds he has information that will tie up loose ends the, Feds love
nothing more then loose ends.

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 4:25 pm

by smokebreaks

truth be told, the Internet is a tough place to hide because at the end of the day the US gov't holds the beliefs that since they paid to develop the infrastructure through DARPA grants that ultimately, if it involves the telecommunications systems, US Federal law governs it.

He's got a tough journey ahead.

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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 5:09 am

by AGD

I have missed the part about Thomas Clarks "spokesman" lawyer Kem Kang. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-ma ... xtradition" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He seems to know about Bitcoin, as he is an advisor for the Bitcoin (better. Altcoin) related company Rimbit: https://gust.com/companies/rimbit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Rimbit seems to be some kind of an altcoin ipo scam. I will check more about this later.
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/rimbit- ... aste-scam/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677373.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?actio ... =showPosts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752760.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So a lawyer who is involved in a ponzi scheme needs 5700$ to defend Thomas Clark?

edit: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-karlsson-1617619b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1417914.20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 6:49 am

by AGD

devnull wrote:The money Smokes and I are putting in, and you too if you choose, is for Nikki not Tom/Mongoose/Variety. His is a controversial cause, no doubt, but hers isn't from what I know.

But, hey, no obligation - you do what you like with your money... Just let smokes know you've changed your mind in case he's waiting to gather the original promises and forward it on.

I have already sent some via PayPal yesterday with the the note "for Nikki". I don't know why you coming up with this strange comment, but hey, you are free to assume whatever you want.

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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 7:29 am

by AGD

devnull wrote:Yeah, I did take quite a leap there. Combination of too-small text and multi-task fail. Apologies.

And I got moaned at for not looking at her when she spoke. This could have gone better all round

I'll bin the post and save my blushes. Shame I can't do the same with your quote!

No problem mate, this is the webz. Let's leave the quote there for future generation to learn

Serious, I don't think, that I would spend some hard earned cash on this Kem Kang dude. I really would like to now how he became PoM's lawyer. He smells so much like a corrupt fail lawyer, that I keep wondering ....

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Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 9:18 am

by smokebreaks

Kem Kang isn't the lawyer.

The rimbit community pledged support, never materialized.

I reached out to Kem a couple of times, the last he said he hadn't seen Mongoose in some time and that he didn't know what was going on with his case.

In all honesty, I can't tell you any more about that publicly. Because I do not know.

I can tell you, I know who the new attorney is, I have spoken to her, and was told that due to confidentiality, we wouldn't be able to talk in detail.

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 10:28 am

by deran

how about some seeds ....

im willing to fund some genetics using the money for the goose

having so many seeds, i cant grow them all out in my lifetime, and its also better spent to somebody who can benefit from it

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 5:42 pm

by smokebreaks

Nope.

Sorry man, I ain't going to put myself, or any one of us at risk. Simply can't risk it, and it's the same reason we've never hosted contests for prizes, or sold advertising on this site.

I can massage the laws to fit with a forum. I can't with the distribution of illicit substances in the eyes of US Federal prosecution guidelines.

But since I value my freedom to go outside and walk my dog at my choosing.

Well okay, her choosing.

I'm afraid, no sales, trades; exchanges are permitted.

Thanks for your understanding

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 6:27 pm

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 12:55 am

by smokebreaks

Well, I really dunno what you expect from the handful of people who use this site, but I don't see you jumping up an doing anything but complaining?

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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 6:40 pm

by Kilo20

Jane Donut wrote:Comedy is not likely.

This is so special. All talk. Little action.

Often wrong, but never in doubt.

Actions speak and now people know whom not to bother to call upon when you are in need.

Hang on a minute, why should anyone pony up money to help this sad old liar who I am confident would do fuck all
for you if the roles were reversed. He is not a man worth sending money too.

For whats its worth, I have contributed funds in similar situations last time I learned my lesson, usually there is good reason they can't count on anyone to help them.

The guy is a pathological liar, if he'd shut his fucking mouth for a minute may not have found himself in the position he is in.

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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 9:10 pm

by Irwin the Troll

Kilo20 wrote:
Jane Donut wrote:Comedy is not likely.

This is so special. All talk. Little action.

Often wrong, but never in doubt.

Actions speak and now people know whom not to bother to call upon when you are in need.
Hang on a minute, why should anyone pony up money to help this sad old liar who I am confident would do fuck all
for you if the roles were reversed. He is not a man worth sending money too.

For whats its worth, I have contributed funds in similar situations last time I learned my lesson, usually there is good reason they can't count on anyone to help them.

The guy is a pathological liar, if he'd shut his fucking mouth for a minute may not have found himself in the position he is in.

You must have gotten too close..

On another note. To raise a good defense fund, let's just start up a .onion drug mart and sell some seeds, I'll do all the server setup and make sure LEO never logs the chatrooms, so you can threaten to pull somebody's card, without worry of repricussions.

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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:46 pm

by smokebreaks

We cannot endorse nor condone that activity.

Discussion of such is strictly verboten.

No sales or trades are allowed via the terms of use.

I'm sorry, but that's not a subject we will entertain.

Talk about anything else, but the risks are far beyond the reward for me.

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:21 pm

by Jesús Malverde

It would be silly to do what PoM or anyone thumbing their nose at the US Governement did from any country with a formal extradition treaty or a history of extraditing people to the US absent one. I think if PoM had been smart enough to locate in Uraguay or Ecuador for instance instead of US' little bitch Thailand, he'd probably still be laughing at those alphabet soup agencies instead of getting extradited by them. Snowden had the idea.

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Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:38 pm

by Prawn Connery

I hear Gad's good at hosting seed auctions

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Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 2:27 pm

by Sportster

LOL...I've heard that rumor too!!

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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:18 pm

by MadMoonMan

devnull wrote:One thing I've learned from this is that if I ever find myself running from the most powerful state on earth, I ain't going to some far-eastern 'paradise'. Not me, no-no-no. The flight I'll be getting on all paranoid and sweaty will be to Norway. They know how to treat their prisoners there, and 'm presuming it's relatively less corrupt.... I also don't tan well.

Norway has been over run. System will soon collaspe. Crime rates rocketing. Those jails will not be big enough.

I always had Belize in mind but now the narcos have overrun it.

Anyone want to help me take over Venezuela?

All the beer you can drink but you have to bring your own bullets. And Gun. And your plane ticket isn't free either. Plus the gas for the jeeps and the jungle guides.

Come on you guys who's with me!

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:02 am

by Sir Bonehead

If there is such a thing as karma, it is making it's circle.

Not long ago I read a person who outed peoples (plural) real and full names in our close knit society, breaking the number one rule. He did this for personal gain, and to take something that wasn't his.

He tells a story of being incarcerated in England, and with such detail. Just his describing the door the police couldn't kick down was detailed and even a bit entertaining. But with all that detail, and a such a big bust, his name already out for the public, and his known ability to root out documents, he was not able to sufficiently prove that he was incarcerated? And who is that story directed to, the drug community, for street cred or alibi when a major bust goes down? Or was it for the Alphabet gangs of the USA? Well, the alphabet gangs are good friends with England and get any information they need. So his telling them would not make sense, as they could just ask the queen and see what is what from her. I have read, and not sure of the truth, is that he has never planted a seed. That in itself is quite profound given the business he was in, but the sources were more than one.

On another point, why was his arrest in England So Important for his thread? Was it just for our entertainment? A desperate man will act desperately, and that is what appears happened. I, and others asked specifically for proof of his incarceration, only to be told to do the impossible and ask the queen ourselves for that information.

Because of the information that he provided I personally know the legal names of DG, Gyp and many others. Most of those people are either rats or public figures anyway, but there is a point there. It is not our jobs as part of this community to out people. Only one person can out someone and that is the person being outed.

The threats made to the general public when his hostile takeover attempt was underway made a good many people tear down their grow and hide. He had people scurrying all over the world because of his threats to a generally uneducated and gullible group. Many people lost a good amount of money and worse because of his antics It was like a bad rumor on Wall Street. All for selfish reasons.

And the story of Diamond? Another sad act of desperation. There are no shortage of corrupt police, but that story held no water for me. I would question the skills of anyone believing it. I am sorry, but it was just too far out there.

I find it strange that there was no actual legal or liquid tender to come about from his alleged involvement in SR. It is like bullshit from every direction. I would question his actual arrest and detainment if not for Smokes stating that it is a fact. He was posting from a jail in Thailand? I have read it is hard to find a bar of soap there... but a smart phone?

Count me on the side on non supporters, if it is not already obvious. If he did help sell hard drugs, poisons and weapons I am strongly against him. If he didn't do that why all the talk that he did? Everyone was arrested on the site, even moderators that got $1500 a week. Nobody was able to hide anyplace. And with the stories about his MJ bust not holding water it makes me wonder even more. This person is a reckless liar that takes no prisoners, pun intended. A dangerous person to ever be friends with. Right now, if you had any dealings with this individual you better take what you can and run. Run and hide in a cave, because he has proven that he has no morals or street cred, and will throw anyone under the bus to take care of his needs

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:54 pm

by MadMoonMan

banned several times and finally for life.

many many moons ago

don't want to confuse rumor with truth and misstales.

I remember they would always let him back in and kick him/her out again depending on personna

tanked a lot

promises promises promises

finally permanent ban

of course alot of things were different in those old wild west days when OG was stabbed in the back by greedy meth biker gangs in Canada!!

Gypsy was beating his wife in the street with pictures worldwide

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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:05 pm

by MadMoonMan

I was drunk most of the time as well as now so my memory gets and is skewed

Trolls and false people don't last against truth.

As Clint Eastwood said once, "Well, I guess I may have killed a warthog or two in Texas once or twice a time or two but I don't remember it much since I was drunk all the time."

err.. ok he said something like that .. anyway

spits.
I'm not gonna post a pic of Clint spittin here so dont put this post in shark tank please I left out all the dirty words I could.

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:19 am

by smokebreaks

Well Sir Bonehead, fitting name by the way, In honest truth, let me tell you this. Mongoose and his stories were greatly entertaining and I thoroughly enjoyed the time spent following his tales.

long winded tales of adventure and an inordinate amount of mundane details presented themselves in most everything he had ever written. I don't know if he petulantly felt the need for being for verbose but the guy was a wordsmith and possesses an extensive vocabulary challenging Merrian Webster for both size and content.

Now if you know where to look because he knew what he was doing when he penned his story about prison and the Cannabis grow bust in England, it may in fact check out to people in authority to verify.

Other citizens could check and see if there is a Choy's Chinese place in Surbiton where a Roger Thomas Clark was in fact sentenced to prison and then had faced deportation upon release.

Privacy rules are strict in England, but that does seem plausible because that's usually how it goes when you get convicted of a crime in a country that you're there as a guest of and not a resident.

Now, beyond all that, what he wrote about that could be checked out and verified by the LEO people without any difficulty and that's who I am sure he intended to address with that bit of the story, not you, or I, or anyone else really.

Things are kinda strange here since it's easy to judge from the comfort of your computer chair and the anonymity of the detached observer.

This is his life, playing out in real time from the confines of a Thai prison.

I don't think it's karma that he's squatting over a shitter in a country where a guy was just bitten on his dick while taking a shit.

I think it's stupidity.

Now, beyond that, I'm honestly am not of the belief that Mongoose is simply an innocent swept up among an overtly zealous government crackdown on an unregulated market, but I don't believe that the knee jerk reaction to the Silk Road and the subsequent showboat trial of Ross and now, or rather however long or soon to be, Mongoose, does anything to curb the world's appetite for drugs.

I'm really sad to see the squandered opportunities the markets could have provided though.

A couple other things don't make sense.

Why doesn't he have $$ for an attorney if he was paid all this $$ by Ross ?

Now for that an explanation offered is there is an account somewhere with a whole lot of unreported bitcoins, (the crux of the story) or either mongoose wasn't getting paid what they claim, or... Maybe he was telling the truth ? As I'm sure living on Koh Chang I'm sure isn't that expensive

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:03 am

by DD Ramone

You may have found his posts entertaining, and been amazed about his use of a dictionary, but those of us that knew PoM in the real world, and actually had some sort of contact with him are not blinded by his tall stories, because we know the truth.

I just googled plural of mongoose, and came up with a link to this thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=81821" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here we have a whole bunch of people that had direct dealings with the guy, and as they come online and voice their opinions about him, it becomes clear that he is a liar, a thief and a cheat, who threatens people with exposure to law enforcement, if he doesn't get his way.

I think that you mentioned that you ONCE met PoM Smokes, and that you found him to be 'Full of Shit'. There are many on that thread (link above), who wholeheartedly agree with you.

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:19 am

by smokebreaks

Heh. Don't think I've ever really put a lot of faith in anything coming out of any of the people who post on icmag. Or the ones that run that circle jerk...it is like Caligula's own private concubine. I'm quite surprised that so many are willing to overlook the fact that Gypsy Nirvana did actually screw over his ex and steal away company assets but hey that's their business not mine.

Is PoM a carpetbagger? Probably. Does it matter? Not really.

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:42 pm

by deran

DD Ramone wrote:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=81821" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...you do not have permission to access this page...

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:06 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Well first I tried to view the link as a guest, then I logged in with a throwaway account to IC to see that thread and got the "you don't have perm..." error. So, it's obvious DD has mod privileges at IC and then forgot they can see censored threads, but the rest of us can't

I'd forgotten how totally censored that cult site is. You can't trust anything you read at IC because you can't trust the mod staff not to censor anything for the flimsiest, most parochial, or commercial reasons. You'll only hear one side there if it's anything even remotely controversial. One of the worst modded forum sites on the 'net.

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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:01 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:Heh. Don't think I've ever really put a lot of faith in anything coming out of any of the people who post on icmag. Or the ones that run that circle jerk...it is like Caligula's own private concubine. I'm quite surprised that so many are willing to overlook the fact that Gypsy Nirvana did actually screw over his ex and steal away company assets but hey that's their business not mine.

Is PoM a carpetbagger? Probably. Does it matter? Not really.

It might not matter to you if PoM is a carpetbagger.

It did matter to GN, once he figured out that PoM was a carpetbagger, because after employing him for only a few months, in a position where he had access to very sensitive information concerning GN's customers and suppliers (which PoM later used to threaten and blackmail people with), GN fired him. GN's ex didn't want PoM fired because she had started a relationship with him, and plotted to take GNLTD off GN via a very hostile takeover attempt.

It all ended up in the high court in London 7 years later, where it was proved beyond all reasonable doubt that PoM was indeed a 'Carpet Bagger', and had tried to steal GNLTD. By then GN's ex-partner had withdrawn as a director from GNLTD and illegally tried to help PoM take over the company by forging GN's signature on the articles of the company, to make out like GN had voluntarily resigned.

I got the now blocked thread link in my last post by googling plural of mongoose, then going to this site http://ganjadigger.com/search.php?query ... all&page=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, and following the link that said 'Official Court Order'.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:13 am

by Prawn Connery

LOL! Good try Gypsy. Except you forgot none of us can read the original thread unless we register . . . and you ban and try to block our IPs when we do

Of course, you're the only one who can see the archive, too, because you're logged in as yourself

PS. I'm at least glad you're out of jail and back in Blighty. IMO, you didn't deserve to be there.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:12 am

by AGD

PoM once wrote, that he met this guy "Variety Jones" who was not only a friend, but a "mentor" to him. (Did he lie?)

Years later Pom used the nick of his "mentor" to register at Silk Road. (Did he do it to make it easier to draw a connection to him?)

A few month later the inventor of Silk Road "Ross Ulbricht" writes in his journal, that "Variety Jones" has been a "real mentor" to him and VJ climbs up to be the "number two" of Silk Road. (He mostly seems to have been using his incredible computer skills to point at various vulnerabilities in the Silk Road code. First was a vulnerability in "bitcoind", which is pretty remarkable, because our PoM "Thomas Clark" doesn't seem to know that much about Bitcoin).

In a chat with Ross, VJ reveals, that he, "Variety Jones" is in reality "Plural of Mongoose" and sends him his passport, which reveals his real name to Ross "the drug baron of the biggest drug selling site on the planet" (Sorry, but how much of a donk one has to be, to do that????)

After the bust, PoM comes back, tells a story that says "I am NOT Variety Jones, because I was in british jail at that time" and invites the US to get him in Koh Chang, because somebody is after a million dollar Bitcoin wallet and he is scared of being killed by that guy. (This wallet doesn't exist in the Blockchain - An experienced Bitcoin expert would know that)

When they bust him (after he spammed Serrin Turner that much "Please Serrin arrest me. I am in Koh Chang!!!!!"), he suddenly changes his mind and doesn't want to be extorted anymore and prefers to stay in Bankok Remand. (???????? WOOOOOOTTTTT?????????????)

Sorry guys, but this story is bullshit.
Too many things, that don't add up.
The PoM I was talking to here at MPG had pretty little knowledge of PGP and Bitcoin and he is certainly NOT the guy who pointed Ross to that bitcoind vulnerability (he even closed it afterwards btw). This situation was VJs key to enter as a Silk Road admin.

Is it possible, that the computer expert behind the "Variety Jones" nick was in fact "Shabang" and PoM just was the "mouth" of this nick? Is it possible, that Thomas Clark was indeed in jail and "Shabang" continued to use the nick "Variety Jones" (edit: and doxed Thomas Clark and even sent Ross the passport of his friend)?

If that's what happened, than Thomas Clark was probably framed by his friend "Shabang" (Mike W.?) or both were working together: Shabang as a computer expert and PoM as the "speaker" of the VJ nick.

edit: Mike W. was also arrested in Koh Chang, right? Why nobody is speaking about him? What actually was his role at Silk Road? Why the silence? Another "rat" thing?

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:38 am

by DD Ramone

AGD wrote:PoM once wrote, that he met this guy "Variety Jones" who was not only a friend, but a "mentor" to him. (Did he lie?)

Years later Pom used the nick of his "mentor" to register at Silk Road. (Did he do it to make it easier to draw a connection to him?)

A few month later the inventor of Silk Road "Ross Ulbricht" writes in his journal, that "Variety Jones" has been a "real mentor" to him and VJ climbs up to be the "number two" of Silk Road. (He mostly seems to have been using his incredible computer skills to point at various vulnerabilities in the Silk Road code. First was a vulnerability in "bitcoind", which is pretty remarkable, because our PoM "Thomas Clark" doesn't seem to know that much about Bitcoin).

In a chat with Ross, VJ reveals, that he, "Variety Jones" is in reality "Plural of Mongoose" and sends him his passport, which reveals his real name to Ross "the drug baron of the biggest drug selling site on the planet" (Sorry, but how much of a donk one has to be, to do that????)

After the bust, PoM comes back, tells a story that says "I am NOT Variety Jones, because I was in british jail at that time" and invites the US to get him in Koh Chang, because somebody is after a million dollar Bitcoin wallet and he is scared of being killed by that guy. (This wallet doesn't exist in the Blockchain - An experienced Bitcoin expert would know that)

When they bust him (after he spammed Serrin Turner that much "Please Serrin arrest me. I am in Koh Chang!!!!!"), he suddenly changes his mind and doesn't want to be extorted anymore and prefers to stay in Bankok Remand. (???????? WOOOOOOTTTTT?????????????)

Sorry guys, but this story is bullshit.
Too many things, that don't add up.
The PoM I was talking to here at MPG had pretty little knowledge of PGP and Bitcoin and he is certainly NOT the guy who pointed Ross to that bitcoind vulnerability (he even closed it afterwards btw). This situation was VJs key to enter as a Silk Road admin.

Is it possible, that the computer expert behind the "Variety Jones" nick was in fact "Shabang" and PoM just was the "mouth" of this nick? Is it possible, that Thomas Clark was indeed in jail and "Shabang" continued to use the nick "Variety Jones" (edit: and doxed Thomas Clark and even sent Ross the passport of his friend)?

If that's what happened, than Thomas Clark was probably framed by his friend "Shabang" (Mike W.?) or both were working together: Shabang as a computer expert and PoM as the "speaker" of the VJ nick.

edit: Mike W. was also arrested in Koh Chang, right? Why nobody is speaking about him? What actually was his role at Silk Road? Why the silence? Another "rat" thing?

PoM did not have the computer skills many assume that he did have, but oh yes, he was good at bluffing that he did, until questioned by someone who had real skills, who would inevitably figure that out.The same was true about growing, ask anyone that knew him well.

Shabang had little if anything to do with PoM, once he realized that PoM was 'Full of Shit', the same goes for RC and most people that have had any dealings with him in the real world. That didn't stop PoM from impersonating Shabang online, he also pretended to be GN, when he thought it might give him an advantage.

PoM has been masquerading online as Variety Jones for well over 10 years, he even purchased the domain varietyjones.com using GN's ex-Mr's GNLTD company credit card, along with genebarker.com, potprofessor.com, cannabismongoose.com, pluralofmongoose.com and many others too numerous to mention.

Mike Wattier was someone who did have some computer skills that PoM befriended in Thailand, and paid to do work around SR, and possibly other projects. As is PoM's nature, he would always take credit for what other people did, and I don't see him changing where that is concerned once he hooked up with DPR.

PoM never wrote any books, and also never had Lou Gerics disease or any other debilitating physical illness, which he often claimed to have online merely to try and glean some sympathy, making out like he was some sort of victim. And he also never had a 'legal team', which he often claimed to have, whenever he was threatening to rat someone out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwPYze5M9s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:50 pm

by Jesús Malverde

PoM never wrote any books, and also never had Lou Gerics[sic] disease or any other debilitating physical illness, which he often claimed to have online merely to try and glean some sympathy, making out like he was some sort of victim. And he also never had a 'legal team', which he often claimed to have, whenever he was threatening to rat someone out.

smokes with your permission I can post a lot more
inc threats against myself from POM
I have no wish to post anything or post info that may draw unwanted attrition
I just want to post the facts

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:23 pm

by ochernowquinn

Jesús Malverde wrote:That is even less convincing as a "trial document" than the stuff Gypsy posted which at least looked semi-legit. It's illiterate, so obviously not official. And anyone could have authored that.

that is an official document from the trial transcripts
I have the folders in front of me, I was also at the trial and was named as a witness though not called as Pom totally screwed up the case before I was needed to give testimony
thats why I have the files Pom promised to post but never did because it showed him up for what he was

YWN

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:04 pm

by smokebreaks

like I said before, I really can't stop you, but please do be mindful not to publish names, or actual identifying personal details.

Black out anything overtly identifying

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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:32 am

by Jesús Malverde

What sort of official trial document has no header or identifying information, uses only pseudonyms and contains spellings, usage, and grammar that even a precocious seven year old would instantly recognize as being egregiously wrong? None of this would pass muster, even at a mock trial.

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:10 am

by Prawn Connery

As you say, it's not an official court transcript - it's a photocopy/scan of a printout of a chat log. Chat logs can still be tendered as evidence, but are certified/stamped once tendered.

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:46 am

by AGD

So, the chat says, that somebody, who was once a friend of PoM, has "fucked" him more than once and PoM went on tilt afterwards .... so what!?

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:53 pm

by intermission

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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:14 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Well if/when Tom ever winds up before a US judge, it could begin quite an interesting public process. A denouement is lacking thus far and one is rather overdue as well. One suspects however the whole thing will be quietly settled behind closed doors with a deal getting cut, testimony given and and no public acknowledgement of it. May have already taken place in fact for all we know, do we have any good reason to believe Tom is really still in Thailand? One doubts he has the resources to resist or delay an extradition to the US.

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:24 am

by AGD

Maybe they didn't want him too much or they prefer him suffering in Thai jail for a while...
Like a gorged and sleepy lion, who only killed that fucking weasel, because it didn't stop begging for a slap.

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:51 am

by smokebreaks

For fucks sake, Hax, why are you such an asshole?

He's still in Thailand, extradition hearing was postponed until July.

I'm not at liberty to disclose why that is, nor do I care to speculate what comes next.

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:48 pm

by Roots

Me (the real hax) traded accounts with Guano about three years ago, that's why Guano stopped being an ass about three years ago and the Hax account turned into an ass around the same time.

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:48 pm

by deran

...

http://img08.deviantart.net/92e9/i/2014 ... 82vtk9.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:11 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Roots wrote:Me (the real hax) traded accounts with Guano about three years ago, that's why Guano stopped being an ass about three years ago and the Hax account turned into an ass around the same time.

Nice. Which account am I signed into now again?

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:22 pm

by Jesús Malverde

smokebreaks wrote:For fucks sake, Hax, why are you such an asshole?

He's still in Thailand, extradition hearing was postponed until July.

I'm not at liberty to disclose why that is, nor do I care to speculate what comes next.

We can be more or less certain that Tom has no resources to contest even the extradition/rendition to the US much less resources sufficient to mount a defense at trial. Can we agree on that? In that position what options exist for him other than cutting a deal or passively surrendering? None I can see, although I'd be happy to be shown to be wrong. The system sucks and is rigged against defendants without deep pockets, but that's a feature rather than a bug. It generally keeps important people from getting tangled up in all that unpleasantness, and at the same time makes 99% of the people in the US subject to...well pretty much whatever the system wants to ladle out to them. That's a feature too. Is it being assholy here to point out the obvious? Sometimes it is, I'll grant.

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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:04 pm

by bentech

Jesús Malverde wrote:

The system sucks and is rigged against defendants without deep pockets, but that's a feature rather than a bug. It generally keeps important people from getting tangled up in all that unpleasantness, and at the same time makes 99% of the people in the US subject to...well pretty much whatever the system wants to ladle out to them. That's a feature too. Is it being assholy here to point out the obvious? Sometimes it is, I'll grant.

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:13 am

by smokebreaks

Jesus fucking Christ.

You really are itching to know aren't ya?

Dude,

PoM is not a bad guy, - albeit a bit fucking narccisitic but still a decent chap nonetheless.

His situation is not one I would want to be in and I'm really not interested in the whole drugs online or whatever else marketplace ideas that people have thought would bring them riches without repercussion.

My guess is that the legal framework for any challenges maybe if laws in Thailand regarding conspiracy extradition require crimes to have been committed in Thailand? I dunno what they are planning for his defense or anything, nor do I care to know.

I honestly don't know any more than he's in Bangkok Remand prison and he's got a counselor he wants to hire, he needs money, and it doesn't sound like he can pay it back.

And in my opinion, yes, he's probably guilty as sin in regard to some of the allegations against him, and then there are some that there's no way he could be.

For those who are holding hope that he's innocent or wrongly caught up; spoiler alert; me thinks he's not.

Now, I dunno if you're following any of the other Silk Road cases and or Tor browser mischief, but it sure seems that cyberspace is turning into quite the battleground for the crimes and courts. A lot of lawlessness on both sides with the Feds hacking browsers and using a mozilla exploit of the ECHO CMD.

Remember every 8 bit packet sent and received has a CHKSUM$ and every 2nd bit contains the dataset for address delivery, so in all actually the anonymity that you think TOR provides is really nonexistent if you are running an exit node, which many large pipe providers do, has access to the address data.

Carnegie Mellon University, I'm sure is one and many others as well.

Mongoose's goose is cooked and if I were him, I'd have already been on plane.

Which is what I told him to do when he first popped back up after what was it?

Maybe back in 2009 when PG went down? Hell maybe even a lot longer than that.

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:32 pm

by smokebreaks

You're right it isn't everyday that you read those words together, but let's be honest for a minute.

George Bush, narcissist. Donald Trump, narcissist. Dick Cheney, narcissist. Hillary Clinton, narccisitic as well.

Any of the world leaders I think probably fall into that category, and not a one of them are decent people.

Mongoose, way too much egocentrism, and definitely not machavelian enough.

I think the situation he has found himself in, is a bit more complex than he had ever anticipated.

Truthfully now, I think his fighting the extradition is a waste of time and effort as ultimately I'm sure they already have a ticket purchased for him to fly from BKK to NYC.

I fully believe it would serve his interests to get on with the show rather than delay the inevitable as expediency is not the courts forté. Pushing forward with demands for a speedy trial, almost ensuring that prosecutor will make enough mistakes as they hastily rush through the courts.

I've been following a lot of these cases now with regard to computer crimes, that it seems the people who do, charges get tossed or often justify cause for appeal where additional judicial scrutiny could make all the differences in the world for him.

So far I've read stories where people wrapped up with this playpen case are challenging the legitimacy of the warrants against them based on their computers being infected by malware installed on their computers by the FBI and their network investigation techniques.

In some cases the government has dismissed charged because they don't want to disclose how they've hacked the sites they have taken over or the payload delivery methods they have employed to compromise the systems they have "hacked."

It's a new world in the digital frontier mediums, and I'm sure that it's only to get more complex as the time goes on, but it seems Big Pharma is set to win the war against marijuana within the next couple of weeks as Cannabis gets rescheduled.

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:05 pm

by smokebreaks

Looks like it's going to get rescheduled as a Class II, limited medical use, though from what I read yesterday, it may actually, eventually reach recreational status.

It's tucked into a financial bill at the moment but appropriates allowances for veterans and PTSD.

The end of the prohibition era is coming, but guaranteed it will be coupled with severe regulations.

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:10 pm

by smokebreaks

Congress mellows on pot crackdowns
Following the lead of the states, it's moving in the general direction of legalization, advocates say.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/m ... try-224790" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:21 pm

by bentech

devnull wrote:So they're doing away with it being legal? Pot, I mean. What a shame. That was up there in my mind of great laws of yours, along with no over-taking school buses and turning right on a red light.

I recently read about a case over there regarding child porn and...was it the FBI using hacking mothods, and the judge threw all that evidence out? Something like that.

Like you've said, though. Doubt it.

Reminds me, must revisit the Greek myths with the kids again. Ikarus & Daedalus seems a good a place as any.

now your just showing off...

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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:57 pm

by smokebreaks

devnull wrote:So I take it you don't want to see the model of Hera my daughter made me for my 37th birthday, made from a toilet roll tube, fabric and glitter?

Fucking heathen

Good lord, No.

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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:13 pm

by Freakalicious

Who the fuck doesn'T like glitter?

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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:28 pm

by smokebreaks

<-- Raises hand.

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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:36 pm

by bentech

Todd Rundgren approves...

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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:54 pm

by Jesús Malverde

devnull wrote:Must admit, the federal/state thing throws me a bit. It's just so different to our...fucking, fucked system.

But, ah, the medical frame again.

Mate of mine got 'diagnosed' over there while on holiday (Colorado...or LA, I forget) a while back, think it cost him $60 or something... What a silly game.

Where I am, you just pop down to the local shop and buy weed now, it's rather nice. Anyone of legal age can and the selection is impressive--better than in Amsterdam. I was traveling this year and it actually felt odd not to be able to. California will be the same as here soon and then watch out, I think the states will fall like dominoes. Well until they hit the Mason-Dixon Line in any case.

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:40 am

by Roots

Ummm, soon?

It's already been like that for 20 years now, we just have to go BS a "doctor" first.

Everyone is aginst the bill to legalize in CA this year.....it actually stiffens the penalty for having more than an ounce.

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:02 am

by Munchy

Déjà vu ?

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:58 am

by smokebreaks

Yeah but the guy who wants to suck your cock isn't exactly monogamous.

You're probably an anomaly for him, knowing you, you probably have him rushing over wondering if today is the day he gets to do the knob goblin spit and shine whilst he dreams of breaking one off in your behind.

Not my thing, but if it works for you, so be it.

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:46 pm

by DD Ramone

I thought that this article was apt, considering the posts above.

Is just four hours of porn a week enough to reduce the size of a man’s brain? According to a recent study, less than an hour a day might be enough to see gray matter decay.

For the investigation, scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development in Berlin recruited 64 healthy males between the ages of 21-45. By studying their porn-watching habits, they hoped to determine if there was a connection between viewing pornographic viewing and gray matter volume in a particular region of the brain, which is associated with cognition and processing.

From the get go, the men were simply told that they were participating in "a scientific study including magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) measurements."

Later, during telephone interviews, they were told that questions about pornography would be a component of the research.

The men were then asked to fill out surveys regarding their porn viewing habits. The average participant clocked in just over four hours a week.
Researchers then showed the men both sexually explicit and non-sexual images while scanning brain activity with MRI.

"Our findings indicated that gray matter volume of the right caudate of the striatum is smaller with higher pornography use," the author’s of the study say.

The forebrain part striatum, incidentally, helps coordinate motivation with body movement. It facilitates and balances motivation with both higher-level and lower-level functions, such as inhibiting one's behavior in a complex social interaction as well as fine motor skills involved with delicate, voluntary movements.

Not only was an inverse correlation seen between gray matter volume and porn viewing, but real time drops in the striatium were observed when the subjects were shown sexually explicit images.

While the scientists believe it is the first evidence of the kind connecting pornographic viewing with reductions in brain size, so far they have only shown correlation, and not causation.

To put it in a nutshell, the researchers still don’t know if watching porn reduces gray-matter volume in porn-watchers, or more frequent viewers of porn have less gray matter to begin with.

"Individuals with lower striatum volume may need more external stimulation to experience pleasure and might therefore experience pornography consumption as more rewarding, which may in turn lead to more porn watching,” write the authors, who said further investigation would be required.

The report does, however, gel with previous studies, which have shown a connection between frequent porn consumption and negative social behavior. The reasoning goes that if porn can affect social behavior, it can likely affect cognitive behavior as well.

Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1404 ... giSP3G7.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:58 pm

by smokebreaks

Hey now, some of us find erotica in the most unusual places.

Whatever floats your boat is really all that ought to matter.

Well so long as the kink is mutually desired, have at it.

The tail ain't the only thing that looks like a corkscrew on a pig's anatomy.

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:08 pm

by Lrus007

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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:20 pm

by MadMoonMan

Uh.. is the duck girl shooting herself because she is in love and can't screw the one she is in love with because if he screws her his sharp corkscrew penis will penetrate her killing her? So the sorrow in their love is that.. they can only screw one time.

If he truly loves her... and they irresistably want each other even for just that one agreed on time.

Is he selfish to screw and kill her? Even if she wants it. Demands it by wearing shorts on our dates showing her legs and ankles to me?

Now from his side think.... How many girls in your life are you going to meet who will love you so much they want you to screw them to death?

HUH? So in a way its also probably his only one time too even ever get a chance to screw even though he will continue to live.

I refuse to include any pop the ladys' cork jokes here due to not lowering my self or respectfully, this thread to an ungentlemanly level. Setting therefore, a line in political discourse which should never be crossed. The Imagine Not line.

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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:26 pm

by Roots

That was my exact take on the pic too.

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:17 am

by Prawn Connery

Ducks don't have dicks.

Prawns have MASSIVE dicks. As big as our thighs. In fact, they are our thighs.

THIGHS MATTERS!

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:33 pm

by deran

wtf

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:52 pm

by bentech

were not going to save the world at this rate...

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:26 pm

by Roots

I don't even know what it is but I'm ordering three as soon as I learn how to read Mandarin or what ever crazy writing that is.

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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:14 pm

by bentech

it clearly says "do not enter"

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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:50 pm

by MadMoonMan

Once the "Gay Guys" get hold of that we are in big trouble.

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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:57 pm

by Kilo20

I see Bridges the corrupt agent has being indicted for the theft of 700k in BTC From other cases he was involved in who
knows how far the corruption go's.

http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/bitcoin-silk-road.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And.

The TOR hack was apparently written by this dude.

http://thehackernews.com/2016/04/tor-un ... lware.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:48 pm

by Freakalicious

deran wrote:wtf

Pretty easy to understand. It says
Long range, 15 meters
It has 5 different functions (patterns)
Stylish one touch wrist band controller.

It's a thing in Japan, setting off your girls vibrator in the train or supermarket. public stimulation.

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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:55 am

by Mr. Natural

Her corkscrew cunt has a left-hand thread.

MadMoonMan wrote:Uh.. is the duck girl shooting herself because she is in love and can't screw the one she is in love with because if he screws her his sharp corkscrew penis will penetrate her killing her? So the sorrow in their love is that.. they can only screw one time.

If he truly loves her... and they irresistably want each other even for just that one agreed on time.

Is he selfish to screw and kill her? Even if she wants it. Demands it by wearing shorts on our dates showing her legs and ankles to me?

Now from his side think.... How many girls in your life are you going to meet who will love you so much they want you to screw them to death?

HUH? So in a way its also probably his only one time too even ever get a chance to screw even though he will continue to live.

I refuse to include any pop the ladys' cork jokes here due to not lowering my self or respectfully, this thread to an ungentlemanly level. Setting therefore, a line in political discourse which should never be crossed. The Imagine Not line.

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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:06 pm

by smokebreaks

Mr. Natural wrote:Her corkscrew cunt has a left-hand thread.

thats quite a conundrum

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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:05 pm

by Nightcrawler

Jesús Malverde wrote:The government should give the shit away. I'm not on any moral high horse about heroin being a sinful drug or anything, I'm on that high horse about people exploiting people's addictions for profit. Screw arresting people for possession or use or even giving it away, but I draw the line at selling for profit just because I believe that it exploits the user and worse incentivizes exploiting the user by making it lucrative to jam them for all you can. Now you might ask how this is really any different from selling tobacco or alcohol to alcoholics, and I'd reply that it isn't much. Those are bad ways to make a profit as well, but the people addicted shouldn't be forced to abstain or be harassed by the cops for maintaining their habits either. As perspective, I'd consider all of this less morally wrong than charging people outrageous sums for lifesaving pharmaceutical drugs they require to live just because you can--and that's not only legal to do in the US, but those who do--and don't gloat publicly--get held up as exemplars of decency and civic virtues for developing those drugs and then holding people's lives hostage to max out their profits. That makes a street junk dealer look like a saint by comparison. We should make moral calculations all the time, it's how right is differentiated from wrong.

Back in the day, I remembe seeing a documentary about how the U.K. handled its' drug problems, before Thatcher came into office. At that time, there was NO market for heroin in Britain, because the government gave it away for free. How the system worked was like this:

All the heroin addicts in Britain at that time became addicted to heroin while overseas. Once they returned to Britain, they had nowhere to purchase any heroin to feed their habits. What happened was that an addict went to his GP's office, and the doctor wrote out a prescription for heroin, which the addict filled at the local pharmacy. The heroin solution was prepared by the pharmacist -- it was 100% pure, with no adulterants, which is the primary problem with black-marke heroin. The solution was injected into cigarettes, which were given to the addict to smoke.

Addicts had to continue to see their doctors, and undergo counselling, with a view to getting them off heroin eventually.

The system worked, by and large. The cost of the heroin was negligible -- there were no policing and other costs associated with heroin abuse (i.e. no addicts carrying out B&Es to finance their habits).

Thatcher changed all this. She dropped their home-grown model, even though it was successful, and adopted the American prohibition model, with all its' problems.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:47 am

by smokebreaks

As we most all know heroin was the first pharmacological product produced by Hell's Cartel, a/k/a/ Bayer. They don't advertise this but, these pharmaceutical manufactures make quite a few of the banned illicit substances or their derivatives under brand names.

The drugs come off patent, they reformulate and re-release.

Next time, make it stronger.

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:50 am

by Lrus007

funny smokes i was thinking about that and pot.

a timeline of sorts
lids a bag of mostly leafs
mexican some buds mostly leaf *lots of seeds
colombian buds with some duff *sometimes less seeds
hash and some hash oils
seedless green buds
bubble hash,dry sift, BHO and c02 oils
rosin, terps

we just seem to want it stronger over time
Lrus007

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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:43 pm

by Kilo20

[/quote]
Back in the day, I remembe seeing a documentary about how the U.K. handled its' drug problems, before Thatcher came into office. At that time, there was NO market for heroin in Britain, because the government gave it away for free. How the system worked was like this:

All the heroin addicts in Britain at that time became addicted to heroin while overseas. Once they returned to Britain, they had nowhere to purchase any heroin to feed their habits. What happened was that an addict went to his GP's office, and the doctor wrote out a prescription for heroin, which the addict filled at the local pharmacy. The heroin solution was prepared by the pharmacist -- it was 100% pure, with no adulterants, which is the primary problem with black-marke heroin. The solution was injected into cigarettes, which were given to the addict to smoke.

Addicts had to continue to see their doctors, and undergo counselling, with a view to getting them off heroin eventually.

The system worked, by and large. The cost of the heroin was negligible -- there were no policing and other costs associated with heroin abuse (i.e. no addicts carrying out B&Es to finance their habits).

Thatcher changed all this. She dropped their home-grown model, even though it was successful, and adopted the American prohibition model, with all its' problems.[/quote]

Well, a very small part of your story true, the rest suggesting the UK had no Heroin problem or how it started is completely wrong, I am happy to correct this for you.

Yes, in the UK you could get a script for heroin there was no seeing a therapist and it was considered long term maintenance( Every heroin addict had to be registered with the home office) there are still some patients on that protocol though not many, up to about 10 years ago, you could still get private morphine scripts they have being slowly removed via Govt Policies brought in before the Tories came into power.

There was always a heroin problem in the UK as was there a drug culture since the 60s, Heroin really took off after most of Europe was flooded with Iranian Heroin in the late 1970's in turn it spread into an epidemic in the early 80s, you had countries like Ireland with no drug culture suddenly having thousands of addicts.

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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:53 am

by FAGjack

I think a lot of it comes from Australia these days?

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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:32 am

by Kilo20

Well, to my complete surprise it looks like Gary Davis is going State side the Irish courts agreed today to
extradite him, hes in custody as of today. Davis was a Mod on Silk Rd.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co ... 60010.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:37 am

by Kilo20

FAGjack wrote:
oramorph.jpg
I think a lot of it comes from Australia these days?

Someone is getting a large script!

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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:55 am

by Jesús Malverde

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016 ... silk-road/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BANGKOK, Thailand—Few people were watching when the prison truck doors swung open at Ratchada Criminal Court to reveal a 55-year-old Canadian inmate. But there he was: Roger Thomas Clark, the man accused of being “Variety Jones,” notorious dope dealer and top advisor to Silk Road founder Ross “Dread Pirate Roberts” Ulbricht.

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Clark entering court.

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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:07 pm

by Jesús Malverde

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... rts-thail/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Silk Road suspect defies extradition efforts from Thailand 10 months after arrest: Report

By Andrew Blake - The Washington Times - Thursday, September 8, 2016
Roger Thomas Clark, a Canadian man accused of helping operate Silk Road, the now defunct internet drug bazaar, vowed to beat efforts to have him extradited to the United States in his first interview since being arrested last year in Thailand.
Mr. Clark, 55, has been held in Bangkok jail cell since December 2015 when Thai authorities arrested him in connection with the unsealing of federal charges in the U.S. related to his supposed involvement with Silk Road, “an anonymous global black market for all things illegal,” according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:37 pm

by smokebreaks

Ya know you really should just link and not copy the whole frigging article without comments

Fair use and all

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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:28 am

by rodriguezsmith

[rhetorical] I wonder, will he ever learn to keep his mouth shut?[/rhetorical]

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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:28 am

by Jesús Malverde

smokebreaks wrote:Ya know you really should just link and not copy the whole frigging article without comments

Fair use and all

Done and any comments I make would probably just end up being nag bait in any case.

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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:49 pm

by smokebreaks

Well I wouldn't go that far, but I really don't think anyone would care to trade places with him or relishes the misery that awaits him.

I mean a couple cans of Pringles and some soy milk isn't a whole lot of "luxury" though I'd imagine where he is at, it tasted like a slice of heaven.

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:54 am

by FAGjack

Jesús Malverde wrote:http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016 ... silk-road/

BANGKOK, Thailand—Few people were watching when the prison truck doors swung open at Ratchada Criminal Court to reveal a 55-year-old Canadian inmate. But there he was: Roger Thomas Clark, the man accused of being “Variety Jones,” notorious dope dealer and top advisor to Silk Road founder Ross “Dread Pirate Roberts” Ulbricht.

Clark-court.jpg
Clark entering court.

Damn POM ™ looks ready for a firing squad style execution....

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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:43 pm

by Sir Bonehead

All POM ever cared about was the cash.

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:55 am

by lnakohlmymarc

I see you guys have read my story. I've met Clark recently. Working on selling it to another web publication. The one written by Andrew is just a ripoff, anyway.

Because you're insiders and not the general public, I will tell you this: Clark is not looking so healthy. He was skinny when I met him in the Spring and a month ago he was even worse of, and nursing a pretty bad, deep, sickly sounding cough.

Feel free to message me here with more information about who Tom is, in person. Unlike you anonymous folks, I wear my heart on my sleeve and my identity comes along for the ride wherever I go.

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:30 am

by AGD

I am sad to hear that. What is Canada doing for his citizen?

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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:46 am

by MadMoonMan

a man railroaded and broken

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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:06 am

by FAGjack

AGD wrote:I am sad to hear that. What is Canada doing for his citizen?

good question......

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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:48 pm

by Jane Donut

AGD wrote:I am sad to hear that. What is Canada doing for his citizen?

Bending over and letting the US DOJ have their way with them. It's the Canadian national sport. If they're good, they get a reach-around.
.

Bet Haxxie is just busting with pride over the results of the MPG witch-hunt. With that photo prominently taped to the center of his refrigerator.

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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:52 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Jane Donut wrote: Bet Haxxie is just busting with pride over the results of the MPG witch-hunt. With that photo prominently taped to the center of his refrigerator.

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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:24 pm

by nbrk

"I see you guys have read my story. I've met Clark recently. Working on selling it to another web publication. The one written by Andrew is just a ripoff, anyway. "

What are you talking about?

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:07 am

by lnakohlmymarc

To the post above: I'm a journalist who wrote the story about Clark recently.

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:38 pm

by Jesús Malverde

The Washington Times piece or the Ars Technica one?

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:29 pm

by Freakalicious

glutenfreeman wrote:I see you guys have read my story. I've met Clark recently. Working on selling it to another web publication. The one written by Andrew is just a ripoff, anyway.

Because you're insiders and not the general public, I will tell you this: Clark is not looking so healthy. He was skinny when I met him in the Spring and a month ago he was even worse of, and nursing a pretty bad, deep, sickly sounding cough.

Feel free to message me here with more information about who Tom is, in person. Unlike you anonymous folks, I wear my heart on my sleeve and my identity comes along for the ride wherever I go.

Your parents named you glutenfree?

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:55 pm

by nbrk

Seems to have poor grammar for a journalist. Still, simply tweet proof from https://twitter.com/samcooley" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I guess?

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:54 am

by lnakohlmymarc

Thanks for reading, nbrk.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:57 am

by lnakohlmymarc

nbrk wrote:Seems to have poor grammar

My apologies, good sir.

I wrote the Ars Technica piece with assistance from my colleague in Bangkok. My name isn't my profile because im trying to avoid violating forum rules. I'm sure you can fill the blanks in yourself if you are so inclined.

The Washington report, as I indicated above, is more or less a ripoff of what I wrote.

Ive signed up here after the owner of this forum reached out to me. I'm here because I'm curious if any of you folks can fill in any blanks about Clark's past, to get a better sense of who the man is on the other side of the bars. When I last visited him I believe he was in the hospital ward of the prison. Last time we talked he wasn't in the best of shape.

I dont have much to say about how Canada is assisting in his case. I'll hold off on saying too much until I publish my next piece. If you're anxious to read more I suggest you let Ars Technica know! Or not, up to you.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:47 am

by smokebreaks

^^ that is pretty much the truth.

Though he hasn't fully answered my questions, I've no real reason to doubt him.

He's got to be a decent guy, after all he did buy PoM some soy milk and Pringles.

I just wanted to know if I hop on a plane to BKK and pop over to SE Asia, could I stop in for a visit with Mongoose myself?

now I admit that's kind of a crazy idea, I know. Here's the crazy part. When he showed up here a little oven a year ago claiming to want to turn himself in to clear things up, I did offer to come and help to make that happen so long as I retained the production rights to this story.

It's going to be an epic film, when and if it ever gets made. I can only imagine that there are a lot of people interested in telling the story. My interest is that it doesn't turn into some horse manure like the Snowden film by Oliver Stone.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:01 pm

by DD Ramone

glutenfreeman,

I knew pom fairly well, from around 2001-2008, perhaps you should talk to me and several other people who had the unfortunate experience of really knowing him too in the UK, before he was deported.

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:15 pm

by smokebreaks

DD Ramone wrote:glutenfreeman,

I knew pom fairly well, from around 2001-2008, perhaps you should talk to me and several other people who had the unfortunate experience of really knowing him too in the UK, before he was deported.

Fairly well?

There's an understatement of a lifetime 'eh?

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:43 pm

by DD Ramone

Merely stating the facts Smokes, and anyway, how well can you, or do you, know anyone?

Some people don't even know themselves.

I think that this journalist is looking for facts, the reality of what has transpired in regards to PoM, and from people that actually have known him over a prolonged period of time, not just from a few hours in a pub, as it is in your case.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:39 am

by smokebreaks

Well it ain't exactly the same as your experiences I grant you, but I don't have an ax to grind over some bad business dealings that bias my opinions.

Facts are few and far between when one is as sour as you are.

Almost as bitter as I'd expect Gypsy.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:12 am

by DD Ramone

I'm DD Ramone Smokes,

But I am close to Gypsy, and he's not bitter, he is a very happy man of late, because after being detained for nearly 3 years in some god forsaken south-east Asian hell-hole, he is now free since last March, and his wife and young children will soon be by his side once again.

I remember once upon a time when GN and PoM were good buddies,

There is a lot of history between those two, and so GN probably knows PoM better than anyone you care to name, through good times and bad.

GN is cool to talk with any journalist about his past, for he has nothing to hide.

In fact I could probably get at least 3-4 other people that knew PoM to come forward and discuss their experiences of knowing him.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:32 pm

by smokebreaks

I'm glad that Gypsy is not bitter. After spending three years in a sweat box hotel in Manila, thanks to the people he thought were his friends in addition to business associates Lord knows he has every right to be.

Doesn't surprise me though that he'd be interested in talking to a journalist. Still shopping for an outlet for his memoirs? I see over there they were still begging for member support for the site and everything is back to business as usual for GN.

Many of the people in the scene know who I am and hiding isn't exactly my speciality either

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:47 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:I'm glad that Gypsy is not bitter. After spending three years in a sweat box hotel in Manila, thanks to the people he thought were his friends in addition to business associates Lord knows he has every right to be.

Doesn't surprise me though that he'd be interested in talking to a journalist. Still shopping for an outlet for his memoirs? I see over there they were still begging for member support for the site and everything is back to business as usual for GN.

Many of the people in the scene know who I am and hiding isn't exactly my speciality either

Sure, the guy has had a rough time of things in recent years, though he has always been cognizant of the pitfalls of the business he chose to be involved in, and has taken it in his stride, by all accounts.

GN is not shopping for any outlet for any memoirs as far as I can determine, he says 'It's not all over yet, so much more life to live before doing anything like that'. But I do know that he has been keeping notes, and writing a few pieces about his trials and tribulations for when that time comes.

You refer to 'Over there?', where exactly is 'Over there?', where you say they are begging for member support.

He is not the first, or last person to be grassed up or snitched on (as you Americans say) during the 80plus years of cannabis prohibition. Once the feds get hold of someone and they are facing 20plus years in the slammer I reckon that 999 out of a 1000 would send their own Mother down the river. For me it seems that the problem is prohibition, and the alphabet agencies that enforce it.

I know many people in this 'scene' too, but have never come across anyone that knows of you Smokes. (bar PoM)
This site is usually a ghost town, most of the time, why is that?

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:31 pm

by Sportster

Hi kids.....

Imagine that!!??....a thread about PoM, and here I am....LOL!!!

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:07 pm

by smokebreaks

Probably because we've grown and really don't care for pissing contests or the what not.

Maybe it's because we don't try to profit from Prohibitionist policies? I really could not care less about traffic counts, page views or any of the other stats that advertisers crave.

This is simply just another toy for me.

Maybe if I had to rely on it to make a living I'd give it a better cause for attention but between my other interests, pot is really not as high on my priority list as it is for someone shucking 10 beans for 100 £, €, or $.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:27 pm

by DD Ramone

Sportster wrote:Hi kids.....

Imagine that!!??....a thread about PoM, and here I am....LOL!!!

Hey Sports, good to see you about compadre'. How is love. life and liberty for you these days old chap?
What is your take on this PoM fella?

smokebreaks wrote:Probably because we've grown and really don't care for pissing contests or the what not.

Maybe it's because we don't try to profit from Prohibitionist policies? I really could not care less about traffic counts, page views or any of the other stats that advertisers crave.

This is simply just another toy for me.

Maybe if I had to rely on it to make a living I'd give it a better cause for attention but between my other interests, pot is really not as high on my priority list as it is for someone shucking 10 beans for 100 £, €, or $.

Well that's good for you smokes, that you don't have to make a living out of this site, because you would soon be in the poor house, probably without even the $10 or so you need for the server/bandwidth costs for this 'Toy'.

Since pot is not so important to you, then why not call the site 'Planet La Bamba' or something even more exciting?

I'm sure you would get loads of Ritchie Valens/Los Lobos fans soon filling up the forums, talking about 'Donna' and Mariachi bands etc.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:26 pm

by smokebreaks

la vida loca is way more appropriate.

Because the crazy life is exactly what it is.

Not interested in, and not high on my list of priorities, are vastly different things.

However since I just pulled the trigger on a very cool new toy, I'm going to leave this one down and go play with that for a bit..

The only people who are really important, to me at least, know how to get ahold of me.

The nice glutenfree journalist guy here included.

You have a nice day.

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:07 pm

by smokebreaks

Just one more then I gotta go.

I got a personal email the other day asking me to come back to OG. I truly hope they get back what we had before the profiteer did the community in because all the fun (how many first graders to take you down?) and knowledgeable sources for (cloning and staphing) and all that, that we lost from the end of what -RC had believed was a legitimate business?

These forum things? Kinda the dark ages of the web now, and with them new laws in Colorado, Oregon, Washington (both state and DC) there may come a time when I might choose to pursue this hobby again. But for now, the rent is cheap and we have whatever we need on an Oracle box with unlimited bandwidth and storage space.

It's sad that when OG died everyone scattered, just like when Silk Road went down.

So many opportunities await in this industry, from the guy who did the oaksterdam university teaching people to grow, to the state licensed medical growers in Colorado paying $20 an hour for trimming weed offering benefits.

The times are changing though it looks like Big Pharma is going to win that game.

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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:27 pm

by lnakohlmymarc

Do any of you guys have twitter?

Send me a PM and I'll just give you my email address. Be advised, though, I don't give much credence to those who hide with anonymity on the Internet, nor do I respect those who show to have an axe to grind, as Smokes indicated.

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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:05 pm

by DD Ramone

pm sent on this site, requesting contact details to glutenfreeman.

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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:26 pm

by Freedombit1

Sorry for coming out of the blue, but reading some history and recall this link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... ed_tablet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could this tablet/phone/SD card be related to the "password" that PoM might or might not have?

What is the latest on PoM?

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:11 am

by lnakohlmymarc

I haven't received any PM's yet.

Latest on POM is he's still fighting, tooth and nail, against extradition from a Thai prison cell in poor health, chain smoking cigarettes.

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:44 am

by deran

we have reached another new level of stupidity

even more funny that gad is such a flat tool not knowing that there is no no overgrow ...

"his master server fucker" is just too dumb to see the script screaming : grower.cz

to all you uneducated blind sheeps ... overgrow = grower.cz

in that means ..... was a good laugh, thx idiots

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:33 pm

by Freakalicious

And what the fuck is grower.cz other than some pot business in Europe?

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:36 pm

by deran

exactly thats the question, as they didnt signed up there 16 years ago ...

just bc of the name ...

really ...

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:12 pm

by Freakalicious

Well that isn't exactly a mystery is it? Nobody thinks it's the original people behind it. I personally give it about a 0.5% chance of success. The world needs overgrow now like it needs anal warts.

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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:57 pm

by MadMoonMan

He does it for free as a gift to all us brain dead stoners who love to elbow each other a round.

Gleefully

and

Post Free Thought.

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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:08 am

by AGD

So, PoM comes here, tells a big story and says, he wants to turn himself over to the US and even writes emails to Serrin Turner to get him in Koh Chang.

Few weeks later they got him and now he changed his mind and he doesn't want to surrender anymore and prefers to die in Thai Prison instead?

Why didn't he kept quite until he knew what he really wanted??????????

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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:42 pm

by smokebreaks

AGD wrote:So, PoM comes here, tells a big story and says, he wants to turn himself over to the US and even writes emails to Serrin Turner to get him in Koh Chang.

Few weeks later they got him and now he changed his mind and he doesn't want to surrender anymore and prefers to die in Thai Prison instead?

Why didn't he kept quite until he knew what he really wanted??????????

That's kinda the $75,000,000.00 question.

I also found this interesting.

Apparently, a reporter did go to see him months ago saying he was doing an study on Canadians in prison abroad. There was no 'interview' and he said he would buy him some Pringles but never did.

I hope he at least got the Soy Milk.

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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:40 pm

by ochernowquinn

OG will never come back
I'm probably the last one to speak to RC after his release
and was the last administrator before it went down, too much water under the bridge to bring it back
though as far as I know the servers were never compromised

hey Sportz how they hanging

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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:09 pm

by Jesús Malverde

The full OG database was probably worth six figures when the RCMP pulled the plug. You'd probably be lucky to get five grand for it today. The full PG database was probably worth five grand when Gad pulled the plug. You'd probably be lucky to get five hundred for it today.

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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:14 pm

by Jesús Malverde

AGD wrote:So, PoM comes here, tells a big story and says, he wants to turn himself over to the US and even writes emails to Serrin Turner to get him in Koh Chang.

Few weeks later they got him and now he changed his mind and he doesn't want to surrender anymore and prefers to die in Thai Prison instead?

Why didn't he kept [quiet] until he knew what he really wanted??????????

Maybe PoM really wasn't the brightest knife in the deck.

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:09 am

by smokebreaks

Well won't you get a load of that. Haxx man what did he do that has you so hard on the dude?

All he ever really did was keep you mildly entertained by way of his keyboard.

Detailing the events of what he was experiencing with his life out there in the public eye and he did finally explain himself here in that other thread about all the shit he was going through at the time of his grand scheme.

I dunno what the future holds for PoM but I don't believe his tale will end at #BKK Remand.

I am sure that they already have a ticket paid for his trip to NY.

Now here's the kicker folks.

In all of this, people seem to be forgetting.

He knew of a sealed indictment against him long before they released it publicly and was asking questions about it what was it? something like at least 9 months prior to their apprehending him for extradition?

Someone was feeding him information.

That's guaranteed

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:52 am

by DD Ramone

It's not rocket science to figure that one out smokes.

When Ulrich (Dread Pirate Roberts) went down, and it was reported that Ulrich had been nabbed with his laptop open, so all data on it was available to the feds, then PoM knew that it was just a matter of time before he was nabbed too, because he had supplied Ulrich with a copy of his passport data, and he knew that the alphabet agencies would be coming after him next.

It's like rain on your wedding day.

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:05 am

by EthicalGrower

Is overgrow really any different than this site? A pathetic half-assed effort to resurrect a dead site without the founding memebers. Depending on your perspective, it's kind of sad that it's already a more active forum than this dead husk ever was.

And for the record gadabout was the first to point out that overgrow.com was purchased by the same people who had cannabisworld and grower.cz... dipshit

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... ld#p143051" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

deran wrote:exactly thats the question, as they didnt signed up there 16 years ago ...

just bc of the name ...

really ...

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:20 am

by deran

EthicalGrower wrote: And for the record gadabout was the first to point out that overgrow.com was purchased by the same people who had cannabisworld and grower.cz... dipshit

meeep !!!

wrong

grower.cz never ran on rc`s box

it seamed easier to re-brand CW first and then OG bc of the hype

why would a "local" growshop benefit of dead fictive names, as it got already something very unique and successful ...
i mean i stumbeld around at the forums at grower.cz more than a decade ago, and its infos and the know how is top notch and surpassing all nativ english speaking forums, they dont need a breaking invalid freight

gad said this gad said that, posted this posted that ... are you maybe into merchandising ?

your gaderitis makin you unable to think logically ... pathetic

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:42 am

by EthicalGrower

Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you really that fucking stupid? Serious question.

overgrow.com, hempcq.com, cannabisworld.com, and grower.cz were all running on the same server as of June 2015. This was common knowledge to even the simplest of minds.

Point still remains, what they are doing at overgrow.com is no different than what you people are doing here.

Glass houses Einstein

deran wrote: meeep !!!

wrong

grower.cz never ran on rc`s box

it seamed easier to re-brand CW first and then OG bc of the hype

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:12 pm

by Jesús Malverde

"Point still remains, what they are doing at overgrow.com is no different than what you people are doing here."

It really isn't. There is no apparent continuity whatever between old OG and new OG either in terms of content or in terms of people. If the new owners had obtained the original user-authored content, it'd be interesting and maybe significant. But alas, no. Not even a speck. Minus that user authored content what remains? Nothing at all, essentially. Any bulletin board site minus that user authored content is a worthless empty shell. The only obvious thing in common between the two are a basic skin, and a name. The people running the current OG and original sites have no apparent connection whatever and there appears to be few or no users in common either. The people running the site, in fact, don't seem to know anything at all about the original OG. Total disconnect. This site traces directly back to both OG and PG, every admin/mod and almost every one of the (admittedly few) posters here have a direct link to both precursor sites.

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:29 pm

by EthicalGrower

Justification by rationalization. How many active members here had an account at sharkstank.com? How many had a user id < 100 at planetganja.com? How many had an overgrow.com userid < 10,000? Betcha the answer to the last one is zero... ignoring the odd drive by former tog member and I won't even ask about weedbase. You were a small number of the current membership when the sites went dark.

If you look at the grower.cz forum it's a pretty good clone of edge forums... They're even using overgrow's post icons and karma images over stock vb. It's probably a safe bet that they too were a current member when overgrow went dark.

There is bound to be some controversy no matter who bought the domain name. It's overcomable... 15,000 of you signed up for my forum knowing the shit I pulled at overgrow and sharkstank, and would sign up again if I brought it back!

The current tog are no less legitimate than anyone on this forum would be had they had the wherewithal to claim the domain.

Time for the next generation to take the reins.

It's like rain on your wedding day.

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:59 pm

by MadMoonMan

EthicalGrower wrote:Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you really that fucking stupid? Serious question.

overgrow.com, hempcq.com, cannabisworld.com, and grower.cz were all running on the same server as of June 2015. This was common knowledge to even the simplest of minds.

Point still remains, what they are doing at overgrow.com is no different than what you people are doing here.

Glass houses Einstein

deran wrote: meeep !!!

wrong

grower.cz never ran on rc`s box

it seamed easier to re-brand CW first and then OG bc of the hype

My Planet Ganja was here all along OverGrows asendency and fall

My Planet ganja has been here mellow all along.

Like a slow flowing river.

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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:48 am

by deran

EthicalGrower wrote:Are you deliberately being obtuse, or are you really that fucking stupid? Serious question.

overgrow.com, hempcq.com, cannabisworld.com, and grower.cz were all running on the same server as of June 2015. This was common knowledge to even the simplest of minds.

Point still remains, what they are doing at overgrow.com is no different than what you people are doing here.

Glass houses Einstein

deran wrote: meeep !!!

wrong

grower.cz never ran on rc`s box

it seamed easier to re-brand CW first and then OG bc of the hype

well you are able to read, but those words dont have any impact in your lobe .... lol

read again: they never ran on rc`s box, we arent talking 2015 here ... previous post of mine, its the year 2000 ...

gosh ...

How many active members here had an account at sharkstank.com? How many had a user id < 100 at planetganja.com? How many had an overgrow.com userid < 10,000? Betcha the answer to the last one is zero... ignoring the odd drive by former tog member and I won't even ask about weedbase

tricky bet, i wouldnt dare that bet

started in the 90s ... cant remember, at marihuana.com , before forums ruled the net

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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:08 pm

by Jesús Malverde

When I finally screwed up my courage enough to post online, it was at Cannabis Culture back in '99. OG seemed pretty amateur hour to me at the time by comparison. You know what else? I just checked and all my posts are still there, and I can still log in and post using that account! Try doing that on any other dopeboard from 15+ years ago. Funny how that works when the forum isn't owned and run by a flake.

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:22 am

by smokebreaks

Did you really just refer to Marc Emery as "not a flake"?

Okay then...next

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:55 am

by smokebreaks

@Ethical Grower

You know I really had hoped that you, Roller, Prawn, Topa, Smotty and Munchy would have all worked together on this project but some idiots decided to act the fool and push a lot of users away with their constant negativity, others left for unfortunate reasons unrelated to anything here and the place is pretty dead, but yet still serves the purpose for what I wanted in all fairness a simple place to keep an on Ben TTech.

Ok fo' realz thou

A place where people can sit an dream up crazy shit to ponder while maintaining their correspondence with the friends they made over the years.

But most of the people who were part of the age of forums and activity have now moved on, either in memorial like, hellboy and lil ma, koda and now Earl. Or in other areas of interest and life like ~j had alluded to.

Like you said it's time to let the future take the wheel but I think that's a lot easier said then it will be accomplished.

@deran

Hey, what countries in Europe started that operation busting growers before -RC? Do you remember?

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:07 am

by Jesús Malverde

smokebreaks wrote:Did you really just refer to Marc Emery as "not a flake"?

Okay then...next

I know, Smokes. I didn't do that lightly either. He built something that has not only endured, but could--and did-- survive him being a victim of the DEA for five years. I also gotta give a shout out to Gypsy Nirvana who, whatever you think of his website's ridiculously censorious ways, has likewise built something at IC with commendable longevity and resilience. It couldn't have been easy keeping it going through GN's incarceration in the Philippines.

And you know what? How long have we been here at MPG now? Have we survived longer than OG did yet? Longer than PG? If not we must be getting near to both. You've done a great job too at just keeping the lights on through waves of adversity. In the end not being a flake isn't about a personality type or having a certain demeanor, it's about simply surviving the slog, not getting or allowing oneself to get knocked off course, showing up every day and just persevering.

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:25 pm

by Sportster

I am still lurking!!

Did you say Earl is gone Smokes??....

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:31 pm

by Sportster

DD Ramone wrote:
Sportster wrote:Hi kids.....

Imagine that!!??....a thread about PoM, and here I am....LOL!!!
Hey Sports, good to see you about compadre'. How is love. life and liberty for you these days old chap?
What is your take on this PoM fella?

Love, Life, and Liberty is at stake today, depending on what Yank ya talk to, could be the end of time for some...Bwahahhhaaa!! Doing good old pal, doing good....Things are rocking well in my end of the PNW and we're having a blast making millions now!!

PoM?? who??...Ahahhahha, now theres a chap with many coats of different colors, and wears them all very well I might add, I see now he's finally got his name in a marquee light thats glowing world wide....isn't that what he always wanted??....

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:43 pm

by Munchy

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:47 pm

by EthicalGrower

Jesús Malverde wrote:When I finally screwed up my courage enough to post online, it was at Cannabis Culture back in '99. OG seemed pretty amateur hour to me at the time by comparison. You know what else? I just checked and all my posts are still there, and I can still log in and post using that account! Try doing that on any other dopeboard from 15+ years ago. Funny how that works when the forum isn't owned and run by a flake.

I resemble that remark... and yea finding a pot board admin who's not a flake is a bit of a challenge. in '99 og was running on ultimate bulletin board, had less than 2,000 members, and wasn't nearly as polished as the vbulletin edge forums. You should have signed up then and shoved that in my face.

Thank you for illustrating my point though. The people disparaging new OG are the same people that weren't there in the beginning and only have second hand anecdotal knowledge of the history of OG. To borrow from your post above. Outside this clique MPG has "no apparent continuity whatsoever between old PG and new PG either in terms of content or in terms of people"

besides Roller and Locutus, none of the current members were original PG members, but I still cheered you on. Offered guidance and technical expertise... *crickets*

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:59 pm

by ochernowquinn

I was a member of OG & CW before their demise (and Admin)
I was also a member on shark tank, and PG after the tank sunk
there are a load of canna boards, I'm still a member on UK420 which has been going longer than any other I know
I was on Marc's site for a bit till he banned me for correcting his BS about RC stealing the money and running
then telling everyone that the cops had the OG servers when they never got them

OG.cz has nothing to do with the original OG its just a clone of the setup
they don't have the data base

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:24 pm

by EthicalGrower

I hope you're not insinuating that I was pushing users away. I've always been amiable and am only mean when replying in kind. I remember your efforts when you first started this site, but there was no traction or direction. Prawn's only interest was bickering which unfortunately I was happy to oblige. There was no assignment of roles or a common goal that the team worked on. To me this is/was a rehashing of sharkstank.com albeit a little bit neutered and a different domain name... doing that doesn't require my input.

I've offered to help you take this to the next level multiple times. Not long after you started, then with haxie when your head and heart weren't in it... and again with you and we seemed to have a favorable conversation... then complete radio silence. Hope in one hand and shit in the other. Which one filled up faster?

I do love tooting my own horn... you had one of the best in the business offering their services at no cost with no strings and nobody acted on it. I'm not mad... just perplexed. I've never made an offer of that type in the past without the person jumping all over it.

smokebreaks wrote:@Ethical Grower

You know I really had hoped that you, Roller, Prawn, Topa, Smotty and Munchy would have all worked together on this project but some idiots decided to act the fool and push a lot of users away with their constant negativity, others left for unfortunate reasons unrelated to anything here and the place is pretty dead, but yet still serves the purpose for what I wanted in all fairness a simple place to keep an on Ben TTech.

Ok fo' realz thou

A place where people can sit an dream up crazy shit to ponder while maintaining their correspondence with the friends they made over the years.

But most of the people who were part of the age of forums and activity have now moved on, either in memorial like, hellboy and lil ma, koda and now Earl. Or in other areas of interest and life like ~j had alluded to.

Like you said it's time to let the future take the wheel but I think that's a lot easier said then it will be accomplished.

@deran

Hey, what countries in Europe started that operation busting growers before -RC? Do you remember?

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:54 am

by smokebreaks

Sometimes life gets in the way.

I lost my father, my father in law, my business mentor and my best friend all within 18 months.

Like you, i kind of lost interest in the website world since real world shit went to hell, and a lot of other sites popped up like thcfarmer and the whatnot I really didn't have much interest in competing with them.

And let's be honest here, I did write you @gmail a couple times and got no answers or replies either and we both know communication is a two way street.

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:53 pm

by Prawn Connery

EthicalGrower wrote:besides Roller and Locutus, none of the current members were original PG members, but I still cheered you on. Offered guidance and technical expertise... *crickets*

What?

Here we go again with the revisionist history . . . If you're perplexed, then you're a fucking idiot. And we know you're not a fucking idiot. So save the self-pity. Seems to me they don't need your help, nor give a fuck what you think of their site.

If you took away "one of the best in the business", what would be left of you, Gad?

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:08 am

by Prawn Connery

DD Ramone wrote:I'm DD Ramone Smokes,

But I am close to Gypsy, and he's not bitter, he is a very happy man of late, because after being detained for nearly 3 years in some god forsaken south-east Asian hell-hole, he is now free since last March, and his wife and young children will soon be by his side once again.

I remember once upon a time when GN and PoM were good buddies,

There is a lot of history between those two, and so GN probably knows PoM better than anyone you care to name, through good times and bad.

GN is cool to talk with any journalist about his past, for he has nothing to hide.

In fact I could probably get at least 3-4 other people that knew PoM to come forward and discuss their experiences of knowing him.

It's alright Gypsy, you don't have to hide here

Perhaps you forgot you created the DD Ramone sock while you were in the clink in Manila and were posting from there before you got out and returned to the UK?

Well, we're all glad you're out. It's all fun and games on the internet, but I don't think anyone here wished you any malice in real life.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:46 am

by DD Ramone

Whoever I may be in real life, is not so important Prawn.

Posting with an anon handle on this forum is what everybody does. I'm pretty sure that when you travel, and show your passport to an immigration agent it doesn't say 'Prawn Connery' on it.

and so, I am pretty sure GN would not post here under his real name.

It is not all over for GN just yet, there is still an active federal indictment out of Maine for him, so perhaps his greatest challenge is yet to come? This could prove to be very interesting, whether or not a British judge will hand him over to the US on what could be argued as 'Dual Criminality'

and GN says:'I'm still half expecting Seal Team Six to come a-knocking on my door'.

Double criminality (also known as dual criminality) is a requirement in the extradition law of many countries. It states that a suspect can be extradited from one country to stand trial for breaking a second country's laws ONLY when a similar law exists in the extraditing country.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:19 am

by smokebreaks

He might be in luck.

Looks like Maine just made it legal too

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:43 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Alright, way to go Downeasters! I hadn't seen ME on the list of states that had legalized, so I had just assumed the measure had failed.

Hard to imagine an extradition for a so-called crime not only unambiguously legal in the country the subject resides in, but also now legal in the state where the so-called offense originated from. I mean talk about your weak extradition cases, that's gotta be about as weak as they come.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:02 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:He might be in luck.

Looks like Maine just made it legal too

For sure, it will be very interesting for GN to be able to expose the HUGE disparity between federal cannabis laws (schedule one narcotic, same as heroin and crack cocaine, and deemed as not having any medical benefits), and what, at this time, the majority of Americans want via the state laws, in a British court.

A recent gallup poll said over 60% of Americans were in favour of cannabis legalization, and several more states just introduced medical or recreational laws, bringing the current tally to well over half of all US states wanting legalization for medical and/or recreational cannabis.

It is snowballing, without doubt.

Remember that GN's indictment is a federal one, so they will be trying to extradite him under federal law, if indeed this comes to fruition.

Failure to extradite GN will put a lot of egg on the face of these cretinous federal laws, and exposure in the press of this case could well help to force the hand of change, on a federal level, which is good for all of us.

The culmination of bombarding babylon with choice cannabis genetics for nearly 20 years, could lead to media wide exposure of the hypocrisy of federal law in regards to cannabis, and falls well within the aims of GN's 'Cunning Plan'.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:36 pm

by EthicalGrower

Right on cue old friend, I should get myself some durable coattails.

I'm a revisionist? By pointing out the outrage expressed towards og is hypocritical when mypg's foundation was built in the same soil? You know my personality type Prawn and self-pity is not part of my vocabulary. Follow the chain and you'll find that my comments were a result of SB's post that he had hoped that we would help.

"If you took away "one of the best in the business", what would be left of you, Gad?"

That's a good question Prawn. Let me see... A family man, a philanthropist and entrepreneur, an endurance athlete, an ordained Dudeist Priest and all around super awesome guy. There are probably a dozen more hats I could pull out, but the point is non-paying webmaster gigs aren't the pinnacle of my life's ambition... do me a favor, don't judge me by your low standards.

Prawn Connery wrote: What?

Here we go again with the revisionist history . . . If you're perplexed, then you're a fucking idiot. And we know you're not a fucking idiot. So save the self-pity. Seems to me they don't need your help, nor give a fuck what you think of their site.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:39 pm

by EthicalGrower

Sportster wrote:I am still lurking!!

had you covered under the "ignoring the odd drive by former tog member" line.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:10 pm

by Prawn Connery

Mate, you set your own standards. Given your track record, you seem to be the only person surprised by the lack of enthusiasm over your "offer". Not to mention the typically bombastic way you went about it - as if it were the people here who owed you something and not the other way around. As I said at the time: you do it because it's the right thing to do. Or not, as it turned out. Life's not about the reward.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:24 pm

by Prawn Connery

DD Ramone wrote:Whoever I may be in real life, is not so important Prawn.

Posting with an anon handle on this forum is what everybody does.

Sure. It's just funny seeing you talk in the third person is all.

Sign of the times. I guess.

Good luck. At least the Brits are a little less likely to roll over than the Canadians (or Aussies for that matter).

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:02 pm

by EthicalGrower

huh? The bombastic way I went about it? Sending a PM to Haxie, smokebreaks, and emailing you is bombastic? Smokebreaks made the announcement and I didn't so much as post in the thread or speak publicly about the possibility. Seems there was some enthusiasm and it also seems that you're the one who would like to rewrite history.

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10733" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prawn Connery wrote:Not to mention the typically bombastic way you went about it - as if it were the people here who owed you something and not the other way around.

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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:28 pm

by Jesús Malverde

That's true. This is probably the first any of the regulars might even be hearing about any particulars even though it was quite a while back.

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:02 am

by Prawn Connery

You guys have short memories.

<bump>

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:54 am

by FAGjack

EthicalGrower wrote:

emailing you is bombastic

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:58 am

by EthicalGrower

Prawn Connery wrote:You guys have short memories.

<bump>

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did you read that thread again? 'Cause I just did. Throwing aside our usual fun banter, here's the meat of the thread. Short of smokes and haxie, nobody could disseminate what we were talking about. My memory isn't short, I'm just getting better with age.

Prawn Connery wrote:You might be surprised what my take is on the result of that recent email.

Gadabout wrote:Probably not, the contact was on my recommendation.

Gadabout wrote:I've said all I'm saying on the topic. Accept charity or don't

Great now I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day.

FAGjack wrote:

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:36 am

by EthicalGrower

smokebreaks wrote:Sometimes life gets in the way.

I lost my father, my father in law, my business mentor and my best friend all within 18 months.

Like you, i kind of lost interest in the website world since real world shit went to hell, and a lot of other sites popped up like thcfarmer and the whatnot I really didn't have much interest in competing with them.

And let's be honest here, I did write you @gmail a couple times and got no answers or replies either and we both know communication is a two way street.

Sorry to hear that Smokes. Life is more important than a website. All water under the bridge. I just checked my email and I only have one from you since Jan 1, 2010, which was in December of last year and was about an unrelated subject.

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:54 pm

by Prawn Connery

Oh, so that thread wasn't bumped to pave the way for Mr Bombastic to make his prodigal return?

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=241" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Silly rabbit!

I mean, you just suddenly popped up in that thread after two years to remind us all how wonderful you were; how you hadn't really hurt anyone with your high jinks and entertaining repartee over the years; how you were simply looking after our security et al when you pulled the plug on PG (you know, after spinning us all a yarn about the server being stolen and some other shit <sigh>); and that - let's not forget - you'd also spent great gushes of money on the unwashed masses over the years because, well, you're a philanthropist and alround super awesome dude! And then it all ended in a lovely kumbaya with the faithful because . . . well, because you weren't secretly talking to Smokes and Hax about taking on the site again.

Were you?

And because the shrimp's a bit

none of the above had anything to do with this announcement less than two months later: http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10733" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, nah.

They call him Mr Bombastic . . .

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:04 pm

by EthicalGrower

When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Typical Prawn, chasing demons that don't exist and inventing narratives to suit your skewed version of past events... Was my method bombastic or was I secretly discussing the option? The two are completely different... and secret is such a dirty word, the subject wasn't ready for public consumption.

How many years have we been doing this Prawn? Same argument over and over. This goes back further than PG and started with a thread titled "Ethical Grower owned and sold to Overgrow". That was the first time you went toe to toe with me and you failed miserably, like every attempt to take me down since. Amazing how you could be so wrong yet so sure of yourself... I don't think I've ever been more entertained.

With so much history I've figured you out Prawn. None of this is about me and it never was. This is all about envy Prawn.

It burns your nuts that the Ethical Grower moniker was able to cause so much panic at Overgrow, walk over to Roller's site and immediately become the overwhelming draw without a single repercussion. You couldn't can't handle the fact that the vast majority of members were there because of me and rooting for my corner. Members loved and feared me at the same time, including several overgrow members who had their accounts deleted, and they hung on every word I typed.

Envy followed you to planetganja. Your only job at PG was to smooth the rough edges and as I recall you were the one to point out my history to members more than anyone else. Even when on the same team, you always wanted to bring me down a peg. I guess to justify your existence... 'cause you weren't there for your decision making skills. The role was entirely unnecessary since my all around super awesome dude personality is enough to win over people. It's unfortunate your time as my studious sidekick has only exasperated your inferiority complex, but that's your problem to sort out not mine.

And here we are now... how many years later and you're still all over the place like a blind man at a urinal. Nobody gives a fuck anymore and most everyone has moved on except you. I'm happy to squabble online with you for the next decade Prawn, but it's not going to change a thing. Years and years of trying to break me down is not going to build you up... Maybe some day you'll figure that out.

Some lead, some follow, and some get stuck in the rabbit hole.
Try fighting in your weight class Prawn.

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:37 pm

by deran

smokebreaks wrote: @deran

Hey, what countries in Europe started that operation busting growers before -RC? Do you remember?

sure .. where to start ... hmmm ... 1994 ban in holland on growing commercially weed (for seed production) , cannabis castle gets raided and ben dronkers looses all his mother and father plants, that was like the all first wave that set in

late 90s early 00s .. a wholesaler named catweazle (cupwinner one year at the ht cup or hl cup) from holland - who has also shops in germany - made some "trading" buizz with growers , they gave away hardwear / gear in return for finished product, something went wrong and the whole database of all customers, i mean really all, gets into hands of prosecution, !EVERYONE! gets a raid at home, even old ladies who just bought regular pots for their roses or basil ...

2004 or 2005 an austrian seed vendor hands his customer database to german authorities, bc seeds are illegal in .de ... raids and busts ... you might remember that thread on old PG where europol was involved, as it wasnt only austria and germany, that were involved

same shit last year, just this time another company .. and not seeds, this time it were clones / cuttings

there is sure more to find ... but i dont have that much time, as im preparing myself for the cannafest ... leaving in 7 hours .. yay :D

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:47 pm

by smokebreaks

FAGjack wrote:

Absolutely love Shaggy. Ever since I was introduced back in Kingston.

Makes me irie mon!

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:56 pm

by deran

oh btw

just read the posts between .... very amusing... reminds me of that movie ... "see no evil, hear no evil"

the blind leading the deaf , guys thats just awesome ...

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:33 am

by Prawn Connery

EthicalGrower wrote:When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:03 am

by Prawn Connery

Do you know why I have such a thick skin, Gad? It's not because I'm a tasty little crustacean. It's because there is "internet Super-awesome dude" (iSad) . . . and then there is real life.

When you live the latter, no-one will ever own you online.

Like Walter Mitty, I think you've spent so much of your life sitting behind a screen performing mind-numbing tasks that your OG/PG alter-ego has become one of the highlights of your existence.

Go back and read all your posts over the years and then ask yourself: who has the inferiority complex? The guy who tries to build himself up at every opportunity? Or the bloke who gives him a reality check?

I'm not envious of you, mate. When you've seen and done - and continue to do - the things I've done in life, it's hard to envy a computer nerd . . .

But I digress. I'm here to recall history.

You built PG with one ultimate goal in mind: to make money. You saw the writing on the wall with OG, CW, icmag etc, and thought you could build a canna forum and turn a dollar.

That was the main reason you refused to relinquish control to its members; why you never allowed them to contribute to PG's running costs. Because that would have compromised a clean sale.

Of course, I knew all this because I was your partner and you suggested I cash in as well. You may pretend otherwise now, but without content, PG was an empty husk. And after your password-hacking, OG blackmailing and other shenanigans, you had a serious trust deficit.

If you could have launched PG on your own, you would have. But you didn't. History.

I built the front end. I built up the grow forums. I administered the place. I drummed up sponsors and ran the give-aways. I even stumped a grand for the running costs (for what it was worth). By my calculations, I easily spent as much time working on the site as you.

After PG was launched, you turned up every now and then to fix a few issues or engage in the odd public spat. Those who were there recall how often you were absent.

Why do I need to remind you of all this? Why would anyone here give a shit in any case?

Because if you offer to take over the back-end of this place, then everyone here deserves to know what your agenda is.

The facts are, after spitting the dummy and temporarily taking PG offline, you then agreed to hand over the site to Smokes and I. Yet when it came time to hand over the keys, the URL went blank and you concocted a bullshit story about your business partner running off with the server - leaving every member here to worry about whether their security had been compromised and where all their hard work and contributions had gone.

Years later, you turned up here to offer "charity", divulging to Hax the "real" reason you had to pull the pin on PG, and then admitting publicly (surprise, surprise) it had nothing to do with the server being stolen.

The bottom line was ultimately the bottom line: you couldn't bear the thought of handing over the site you'd built and getting nothing in return. You would rather destroy it in a splendid display of sour grapes.

And now you want to help build up this place? At what cost?

Well, based on everything you touching in the past turning to shit . . . that's a very good question. And not one I'm in any position to answer.

MPG ain't my concern and never has been. I had my opportunity to carry the torch and I passed. But I've always been honest and upfront in my dealings with everyone. Which is sadly something you've never been able to do.

Why would I be envious of that?

bicker like its 1999...

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:20 pm

by LadyConjecture

or 2001 or 2004 or 2009 ...

it appears in this ever changing world, that two things aren't ever going to change.. the ability of gad and prawn to offset each others egos and amuse the rest of us, and the fight is to the death over woulda coulda shoulda of a failed pot site. You guys should just get a room already.

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:10 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Prawn Connery wrote:
Years later, you turned up here to offer "charity", divulging to Hax the "real" reason you had to pull the pin on PG, and then admitting publicly (surprise, surprise) it had nothing to do with the server being stolen.

Nope, Gad never shared the actual story with me. All I got was the public press release version.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:52 am

by Prawn Connery

I know you're sworn to secrecy, and I don't intend to compromise you, Hax, but we both have PMs in our inboxes and you even left a clue on the boards here: http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... 55#p141030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't worry, whatever he told you was bullshit anyway. Think about it: right on the eve of handing the keys to the site over to us, Gad's business partner suddenly steals the server. Years later, Gad changes his story to him being the one who pulled the plug for "security reasons". On top of that, he spins you another yarn in "confidence" to try to legitimise his return to MPG. Three very different versions of the same story. And I mean this in the kindest possible way, Hax, but Gad "trusted" you with the story because he knew you were the one most likely to believe him.

So why was this a big deal at the time? Because many of us who had posted our grows and other info on PG lived in parts of the world that carried heavy penalties for what we were doing. I had years worth of grows documented on the site, as did others. After what happened to Emery, RC and later Gypsy and everyone else, it wasn't a nice time to live in limbo.

All bullshit aside, Gad has never compromised anyone's security that I know of, and he can be trusted that far (though neither of us really have a choice). But beyond that? With Gad, it always comes back to . . . Gad.

Anyway, where's that smilie gone . . .

bicker like its 1999...

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:29 am

by Prawn Connery

LadyConjecture wrote:You guys should just get a room already.

Wanna join us?

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:01 am

by EthicalGrower

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:22 am

by Prawn Connery

You're right. I forgot about the aliens who stole your server. How remiss.

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:17 pm

by Jesús Malverde

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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:30 pm

by MadMoonMan

I'm tired of not making money

End of politick talk

Overgrow.com

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:40 pm

by eichelenadebb

How many had an overgrow.com userid < 10,000?

Hi oldschool growers,

it is an honor to be mentioned here and if you brought this I wanted to briefly react. Somebody asked what was my user ID on old Overgrow, well it was ~2600. I registered on Overgrow in 2000 just right in time when ~s~ switched from UBB to vBulletin and things have really started to roll. I may not know everyone from U.S. and Canada, but I know personally probably everyone in business here in Europe for past 15 years. I'm more into growing than meta-discussions or gossip, but if you want, you can ask me anything at https://overgrow.com/t/ask-me-anything- ... emonadejoe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have a nice day!

- Lemonade Joe

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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:47 pm

by deran

nice try

i mean, you have to register to read your linked post, thats a bummer right at the start, a major turn off ...
further more ... what should we ask?

thats my question ^^

be free to respond here

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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:26 pm

by teinitzbufo

Prawn Connery wrote:Do you know why I have such a thick skin, Gad? It's not because I'm a tasty little crustacean. It's because there is "internet Super-awesome dude" (iSad) . . . and then there is real life.

When you live the latter, no-one will ever own you online.

Like Walter Mitty, I think you've spent so much of your life sitting behind a screen performing mind-numbing tasks that your OG/PG alter-ego has become one of the highlights of your existence.

Go back and read all your posts over the years and then ask yourself: who has the inferiority complex? The guy who tries to build himself up at every opportunity? Or the bloke who gives him a reality check?

I'm not envious of you, mate. When you've seen and done - and continue to do - the things I've done in life, it's hard to envy a computer nerd . . .

But I digress. I'm here to recall history.

You built PG with one ultimate goal in mind: to make money. You saw the writing on the wall with OG, CW, icmag etc, and thought you could build a canna forum and turn a dollar.

That was the main reason you refused to relinquish control to its members; why you never allowed them to contribute to PG's running costs. Because that would have compromised a clean sale.

Of course, I knew all this because I was your partner and you suggested I cash in as well. You may pretend otherwise now, but without content, PG was an empty husk. And after your password-hacking, OG blackmailing and other shenanigans, you had a serious trust deficit.

If you could have launched PG on your own, you would have. But you didn't. History.

I built the front end. I built up the grow forums. I administered the place. I drummed up sponsors and ran the give-aways. I even stumped a grand for the running costs (for what it was worth). By my calculations, I easily spent as much time working on the site as you.

After PG was launched, you turned up every now and then to fix a few issues or engage in the odd public spat. Those who were there recall how often you were absent.

Why do I need to remind you of all this? Why would anyone here give a shit in any case?

Because if you offer to take over the back-end of this place, then everyone here deserves to know what your agenda is.

The facts are, after spitting the dummy and temporarily taking PG offline, you then agreed to hand over the site to Smokes and I. Yet when it came time to hand over the keys, the URL went blank and you concocted a bullshit story about your business partner running off with the server - leaving every member here to worry about whether their security had been compromised and where all their hard work and contributions had gone.

Years later, you turned up here to offer "charity", divulging to Hax the "real" reason you had to pull the pin on PG, and then admitting publicly (surprise, surprise) it had nothing to do with the server being stolen.

The bottom line was ultimately the bottom line: you couldn't bear the thought of handing over the site you'd built and getting nothing in return. You would rather destroy it in a splendid display of sour grapes.

And now you want to help build up this place? At what cost?

Well, based on everything you touching in the past turning to shit . . . that's a very good question. And not one I'm in any position to answer.

MPG ain't my concern and never has been. I had my opportunity to carry the torch and I passed. But I've always been honest and upfront in my dealings with everyone. Which is sadly something you've never been able to do.

Why would I be envious of that?

Self indulgent.

I'd always seen you as better, in some small way. Shame on me.

Your...what, in your 50's now?

Heh.

bicker like its 1999...

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:07 pm

by MadMoonMan

Prawn Connery wrote:
LadyConjecture wrote:You guys should just get a room already.
Wanna join us?

Am I going to regret this later?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:54 pm

by Jesús Malverde

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/new-e ... -road-case" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ulbricht attorney Dratel holds a press conference to reveal some new information about as yet unidentified LE agents selling investigative details to DPR for money. Dratel found chat logs between one such agent only IDed as 'notwonderful' and DPR in an overlooked folder on the Iceland live server that had been erased on other iterations of the database--presumably post-bust. This throws the integrity of all the related evidence used at trial against Ulbricht into question. I'm not sure it will have any bearing on Clark's status, but it conceivably could.

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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:44 am

by FAGjack

MadMoonMan wrote:
Prawn Connery wrote:
LadyConjecture wrote:You guys should just get a room already.
Wanna join us?

Am I going to regret this later?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think its time to get naked......

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:20 pm

by Intrinsic

I'm Already there.

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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:52 pm

by MadMoonMan

drinks 2 bottles of codeine and dances naked on a full moon lit night on a beach in Okinawa.

A place with very dark haunted and rocky waters.

Many dead calling at the thrashing shores.

It called to me one night.

Standing on a rock gazing into the ocean and rocks below.

The darkness and moonlight shine calling me to dive

to do it.

let my rotting flesh be eaten by fish.

it called me to come.

beckoned me

just do it an leap head first into the rocks

into oblivion

I didn't like the part the fish would get to eat my flesh. I know I know. Flies and worms will get us in the end but the cold dark water part didn't help enticing me much either. So I settled on a low rent RV parking spot in Wyoming.

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:10 am

by Prawn Connery

PRAWGY!!!

[image]http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2/pr ... background[/image]

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:20 am

by MadMoonMan

did i just get spammed?

how many of them things do I have to buy before you go away?

yew

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:21 am

by Prawn Connery

MadMoonMan wrote:did i just get spammed?

Mate, you just got cock-tail sauced!

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:23 am

by Prawn Connery

notsuckedacockinyea wrote:Self indulgent.

I'd always seen you as better, in some small way. Shame on me.

Your...what, in your 50's now?

Heh.

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:37 pm

by MadMoonMan

I learned how fast those humps can make you lose complete steering ability a couple times.

Stupidity survives.

Or extremely quick reflexes.

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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:20 pm

by LadyConjecture

notsuckedacockinyea wrote:
Prawn Connery wrote:Do you know why I have such a thick skin, Gad? It's not because I'm a tasty little crustacean. It's because there is "internet Super-awesome dude" (iSad) . . . and then there is real life.

When you live the latter, no-one will ever own you online.

Like Walter Mitty, I think you've spent so much of your life sitting behind a screen performing mind-numbing tasks that your OG/PG alter-ego has become one of the highlights of your existence.

Go back and read all your posts over the years and then ask yourself: who has the inferiority complex? The guy who tries to build himself up at every opportunity? Or the bloke who gives him a reality check?

I'm not envious of you, mate. When you've seen and done - and continue to do - the things I've done in life, it's hard to envy a computer nerd . . .

But I digress. I'm here to recall history.

You built PG with one ultimate goal in mind: to make money. You saw the writing on the wall with OG, CW, icmag etc, and thought you could build a canna forum and turn a dollar.

That was the main reason you refused to relinquish control to its members; why you never allowed them to contribute to PG's running costs. Because that would have compromised a clean sale.

Of course, I knew all this because I was your partner and you suggested I cash in as well. You may pretend otherwise now, but without content, PG was an empty husk. And after your password-hacking, OG blackmailing and other shenanigans, you had a serious trust deficit.

If you could have launched PG on your own, you would have. But you didn't. History.

I built the front end. I built up the grow forums. I administered the place. I drummed up sponsors and ran the give-aways. I even stumped a grand for the running costs (for what it was worth). By my calculations, I easily spent as much time working on the site as you.

After PG was launched, you turned up every now and then to fix a few issues or engage in the odd public spat. Those who were there recall how often you were absent.

Why do I need to remind you of all this? Why would anyone here give a shit in any case?

Because if you offer to take over the back-end of this place, then everyone here deserves to know what your agenda is.

The facts are, after spitting the dummy and temporarily taking PG offline, you then agreed to hand over the site to Smokes and I. Yet when it came time to hand over the keys, the URL went blank and you concocted a bullshit story about your business partner running off with the server - leaving every member here to worry about whether their security had been compromised and where all their hard work and contributions had gone.

Years later, you turned up here to offer "charity", divulging to Hax the "real" reason you had to pull the pin on PG, and then admitting publicly (surprise, surprise) it had nothing to do with the server being stolen.

The bottom line was ultimately the bottom line: you couldn't bear the thought of handing over the site you'd built and getting nothing in return. You would rather destroy it in a splendid display of sour grapes.

And now you want to help build up this place? At what cost?

Well, based on everything you touching in the past turning to shit . . . that's a very good question. And not one I'm in any position to answer.

MPG ain't my concern and never has been. I had my opportunity to carry the torch and I passed. But I've always been honest and upfront in my dealings with everyone. Which is sadly something you've never been able to do.

Why would I be envious of that?
Self indulgent.

I'd always seen you as better, in some small way. Shame on me.

Your...what, in your 50's now?

Heh.

Its not his fault really, prawns, by nature are shallow water dwellers...

bicker like its 1999...

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:27 pm

by LadyConjecture

Prawn Connery wrote:
LadyConjecture wrote:You guys should just get a room already.
Wanna join us?

Why am I not surprised?

I think Gad just threw up a little in my mouth.

ha. ha.

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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:10 am

by Prawn Connery

Is that what you're calling it now?

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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:32 am

by deran

hey prawn you old sock :P

you never told me how well Luc is speaking german ... lol i said hello to him ... he was somehow dearanged, kind of high and absent, nosepicking the whole time while there ... lol (no wonder on the 3rd day of the expo lol)

all in all i got my answer to the secret of belladonnas parents, he didnt said a word but was smiling when i told him that i found Gerrits work in her

and not to leave in a good way, i got his full attention with following words: lemon metal pheno sensi star, and i got his private addy ... lol ... poor Luc ... i guess he is waiting for a cut to revive sensi star again ... lol

did you know, that he hadnt no clue about his "own pictures" in his own catalogues, where they come from and who made em, got me dissapointed, especially bc i was thinking back then that we at the old PG were kind of exclusive and specialized ahead to some other "hangouts" ... but it seems that we werent even on his radar, shameful that is ...

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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:59 pm

by Prawn Connery

I think he's just smoked a lot of weed, mate

I still have some old Sensi Star seeds from before the femmed-only versions. Not sure how good they are - I haven't grown for a few years now - but I'm pretty sure they're not the "original" Sensi Star batch, either. I think the recipe changed around 2003-04 if I recall correctly. But don't quote me, coz I've smoked a lot of weed, too.

Are you saying you still have a cut? I will have to come and visit you in Germany one day.

I really need to do another Euro road trip one of these days. There are so many people I'd like to catch up with...

Ah, the summer of 2000 <sniff>

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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:37 pm

by MadMoonMan

I remember I got a free sample of that to grow after it came out.

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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:39 pm

by MadMoonMan

I have a pic of it somewhere on here. a GIANT BUD

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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:41 pm

by MadMoonMan

Cant get seeds now? I can't get trimmers .. garrrr lol

Good thing I don't mind trimming.

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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:10 pm

by deran

nah, atm i got nothing growin, just expanding my seed archive ... waiting for D-day ...

but i know where it is, and who has it still ... and not just 1 contact .. no sir, she is at least at 3 different places safe at home

really on par with the best hazes, this stratospheric sativa kick, where you become just a travellin spectator of the world around you lol loved it .... only downside, she is so slow (vegging) and has no stretch, you get what you see

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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:20 am

by Prawn Connery

A long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away) an Aussie online contact sent me a sample of his Sensi Star across the continent in the mail - which was a dumb idea, because it fucking stank! (unsolicited gift, I might add) - and it was the perfect metallic lemon (though maybe a bit closer to lemonade, coz it was slightly sweet) pheno. It was soil grown and a very good example of that balanced strong body and soaring head high Sensi Star is synonymous with.

I grew out a few non-original originals (post '03 original Paradise Seeds Sensi Star) but never really came across anything like that. Consensus I've had with others is that the Afghani pheno in the revised formula is the pick: very slow vegging and no stretch (poor yields), as you've described, with wide leaves and a more skunky-lemon flavour. That pheno is really strong, but very indica. It has brought grown men to their knees smoking it after a few drinks (including myself!) and I only ever smoked it when I wanted to get really fucked up and wasn't going anywhere in a hurry.

In addition to the pre-femmed Sensi Star seeds I have, I've also got some Delta-9 "Super Star", which is supposedly a back-cross of the original 1999 Cup-Winning Sensi Star clone with a sativa pheno male. One day I will grow them all out side-by-side to see what they produce.

And finally, I have in my vault (fridge) 10x "Super Sensi Star" - an experimental cross by Luc using his original Sensi Star clone crossed to a Super Silver Haze male that was dong the rounds in Holland back in the day. These were produced around 1999/2000 or thereabouts and I have grown some out already - they are pretty astounding! The only problem is, they are prone to hermaphrodism, and so were never officially released. I had an excellent-producing pheno that I kept around for a while but eventually gave it up, as every time I grew it, it would seed my other plants. I could never find the male flowers on it, but as soon as I stopped rotating it, my other plants wouldn't seed - so it was definitely the culprit!

Ah, I have so much I want to grow out. One day . . .

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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:12 am

by Jesús Malverde

One of the usual PG suspects turned me on to an interesting SS pheno cut. Yeah, sour lemon notes and pure Affie looks. Never seen my eyes so bloodshot. I've surprisingly yet to see any SensiStar in the shops here, I was kind of expecting to at some point. If I ever see any I'll probably give it a try, I haven't tasted it in years. It's likely still around, but called something else.

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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:25 pm

by EthicalGrower

Prawn Connery wrote:I built the front end. I built up the grow forums. I administered the place. I drummed up sponsors and ran the give-aways. I even stumped a grand for the running costs (for what it was worth). By my calculations, I easily spent as much time working on the site as you.

And I'm the delusional one? You didn't build a single thing on PG PERIOD. You never had access to the code so I don't know where this "built the front end" comes from. Every line of custom code on the site was written by me. Nobody else had any input.

You didn't "administer the place" either. You were on when everyone else was in bed. Our Admins did the lions share of of the work and you were there for the drama. How many members did we lose so you could accommodate PoM? How many members were banned for doing much less than what PoM had done?

Stumped a grand for running costs?

you and I both know that's 100% pure grade A bullshit. You did give time and helped with a sponsor... which I might add donated seeds for giveaways not for running costs. You didn't give a single penny to the site. All donations over the life of the site totaled way less than $1,000.

The members added the content to the site. You cannot take responsibility for that.

You're really bad at math, so I'm not even going to humor that last sentence.

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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:39 pm

by EthicalGrower

Prawn Connery wrote:Of course, I knew all this because I was your partner and you suggested I cash in as well. You may pretend otherwise now, but without content, PG was an empty husk. And after your password-hacking, OG blackmailing and other shenanigans, you had a serious trust deficit.

Serious question if you continuously repeat the same lie does it become a truth or have you just come to believe it? The above claim is fabricated bullshit. Tell me Prawn... in this imaginary conversation did either of us figure out how to cash in an empty husk?

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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:47 pm

by EthicalGrower

Prawn Connery wrote:Years later, you turned up here to offer "charity", divulging to Hax the "real" reason you had to pull the pin on PG, and then admitting publicly (surprise, surprise) it had nothing to do with the server being stolen.

This is rich. Please do tell me more.

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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:25 pm

by Intrinsic

dn ʇı ǝɹıɟ

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:21 am

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:50 am

by Prawn Connery

EthicalGrower wrote:
Prawn Connery wrote:Stumped a grand for running costs? you and I both know that's 100% pure grade A bullshit. You did give time and helped with a sponsor... which I might add donated seeds for giveaways not for running costs. You didn't give a single penny to the site. All donations over the life of the site totaled way less than $1,000.

September XX, 2007
Beneficiary: XXXX XXXXXXXX
Bank: TD CANADA TRUST
Branch: YOU KNOW WHERE
Account Number: XXXXX8
Reference Swift Code: ETC
Amount: A$800
Fee: A$15

Yeah, I'm sorry, it wasn't $1000. My bad.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:14 am

by Prawn Connery

EthicalGrower wrote:
Prawn Connery wrote:Years later, you turned up here to offer "charity", divulging to Hax the "real" reason you had to pull the pin on PG, and then admitting publicly (surprise, surprise) it had nothing to do with the server being stolen.
This is rich. Please do tell me more.

Gadabout wrote:I was out of the country and made the call to have the site shutdown, drives swapped between servers, and the raids rebuilt. The decision had nothing to do with you, the membership, or spite. No data was ever compromised and I would do the same if facing the same circumstances.

http://myplanetganja.com/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p141002" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What you told Hax? I have some PMs here dated February 2015. I'm not going to post the contents. But I am going to continue to call your bluff.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:22 am

by Jesús Malverde

I'll repeat *again*, I don't believe that Gad told me *anything* about why PG was turfed he didn't tell everyone else.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:12 pm

by Prawn Connery

EthicalGrower wrote:Serious question if you continuously repeat the same lie does it become a truth

I wouldn't know mate. The number of times I've been caught out lying compared to you would in all likelihood make you the expert.

EthicalGrower wrote:The above claim is fabricated bullshit. Tell me Prawn... in this imaginary conversation did either of us figure out how to cash in an empty husk?

Your memory fails you again. Actually, it probably doesn't. It's just that when you continually lie about or deny things, it's hard to keep track of time frames . . .

One particular phone conversation - because obviously it was discussed more than once - happened in 2007, ironically (not really) just before the above money transfer. Indeed, that was part of the reason why I sent it.

You know I came from a publishing background, and I'd always envisaged PG being self-sufficient. Neither of us liked the idea of subscriptions, and I was keen on an advertiser/sponsor-based site. You were telling me how much it was costing you to host the site, but that you didn't mind so much, as you thought you'd make it back after you sold it. We discussed how much time we'd both put into PG, and you suggested it wouldn't be a bad thing for us to eventually make a return on our efforts.

In 2007, PG was not a husk - as those who were there will recall. After OG went offline in 2006, we started to hit our straps with membership and the grow forums were expanding.

Just a little digression: you say I had nothing to do with building the site, and yet I spent as much (or more) time as anyone else compiling grow threads and contributing to others. Go ahead and google my name and the word "grow" and see how many references there are after all these years . . .

As for the "front end", that would be all the bits that weren't code: you know, like forums, sub-forums, descriptions, rules, regs and all the legalese. Then there were sponsors and competitions, dealing with other mods and - oh, yeah - talking you into finally taking donations.

Which brings me back to our phone conversation. When you originally asked me to come on board with PG there was no discussion about building it into a business venture - it was simply an extension of the stank and MGG. I thought it would be a laugh and suggested the URL "planetganja.com", as that was the name I liked most when I ran a poll at MGG and lobbied roller to change the name from "myganjagrow". Loc/Munchy was the one who originally came up with the "planetganja" name and roller registered it. I convinced roller to give the domain to us so we could carry on the legacy after X3NO spazzed out and abandoned MGG. Once you had the PG domain, you started to show the beta off to your vbullletin buddies - though I was already working with you on the site:

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=71427" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At that point, PG really was an empty husk. It had generic forums, no descriptions, no headers, no content and no idea where it was going. Whether it would all have been different if you'd teamed up with someone else (assuming there was someone else with my word skills who trusted you enough to invest as much time as I did in those early days - because roller and just about everyone else from that time certain didn't trust you), is moot. It was me. End of "what if?".

The PoM episode? That needs an entirely different thread (now that is ironic), but I still would have done it over. We lost a few members (many of whom returned), and we gained a shed-load more. Yeah, I did it for the PR (there's no such thing as bad publicity). But I also allowed it because we were a free-speech site and everyone else in that argument - Gypsy, Old Pink, Dutch Grown - had the same right to unfettered and uncensored response. They chose not to argue the point - as was their want - but they were never denied an honest right of reply. They were never blocked or censored.

But again I'm digressing . . . up until then PG had been growing and - it had even started to earn a modicum of respect in the canna community. It was always known as a rough-and-tumble place - and there were some people of a more frangible bendt who were never going to partake - but it was also known as a no-bullshit place for honest grow info. That was the beauty of the free-speech platform: anyone could call anyone on their bullshit and argue the toss to get to the truth.

And it was during that period that you started to hint that maybe all your time and effort into building the place could start to pay off . . . if only PG could continue to grow and you could find a buyer. That I pissed on your parade with my anarchist ways is probably what upset you most. And, in hindsight, likely the real reason why you reneged on your promise to hand over the keys.

BTW, I just found this again - ylou haven;t changed a bit

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:12 pm

by Prawn Connery

Jesús Malverde wrote:I'll repeat *again*, I don't believe that Gad told me *anything* about why PG was turfed he didn't tell everyone else.

I'll send you a PM.

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:33 pm

by deran

i do remember a post from gad ...

on another forum .... a coding forum ... asking really noobish stuff ...

and i thought to myself, omg .... "the captain is blind n deaf n dumb" ... help us god , not gad ...

he doesnt belong here, he doesnt grow, and if he does, than its on par with his coding skills ...
and by no means am i an expert or do codin for living, but i have enough know how, to tell bullshit and noobs and leachers apart ... and thats what gad is : a leacher

A leacher is an unimposing person that always accompanies another person which in most cases is very beautiful and self-confident. Leachers do not have a social situation for themselves, instead they are taking benefit of the person they are conducting. Most beautiful girls are surrounded by at least one leaching girl. Strong men also have leachers, mostly wimps trying to take benefit.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leacher" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

well , admins, mods and other "team-members" have to be the contrary - leaders

and thats something i never understood, tho im one of the younger ones, and i never had met anybody in RL, there are many of you i would trust and hand over my keys to my house without thinking twice - just because of growing our weed (which is an extra level of trust you dont have in any other community) - and this feeling, is just the opposite what i think of this idiot who pulled the plug - fuck you GAD ! and piss off for once and 4 ever, nobody likes you, and nobody trusts you ...
period

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:51 pm

by Prawn Connery

I think it's only fair to mention he did used to grow. Not on a small scale, either. I believe he was a good grower. But it ended in tears.

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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:15 am

by Roots

I always thought "reneged" was a racist term, than I thought to myself there's no way he ended that post with a racist word so I googled it....you learn something new everyday.

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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:07 pm

by deran

this doesnt mean a thing, i see that on a daily basis in the shop ... ppl with their 20 - 50 bulbs using their ghe for example, and not know what they are using ... " i need 10 liters of green" ... or another example "whats that?" he was pointing towards a wooden box with a 150µ mesh as the floor .... he still didnt wanted to believe me that its a place for storing a special kind of herb ...

and honestly, im really dissapointed watching our type of buizz .... as i thought many and most are some kind of ganja nerds, at least knowing some basic stuff.. but reality, those so called "pros" who dont go online ... lol ... are the dumbest of their kind, which proofs again .. the dumbest farmers have the biggest potatoes , its really sad ... im used to the daily nutrition bingo players "im growin in soil 3rd week, new all mix, and im having a molybden deficiency..."

... its already boring to be honest

and to all of you out there who thought lets go offline into the real world - you will go through a lot more pain than online, where actually you can really learn a thing or two ... this real world is filled up with ignorance and greed , its a shame that a peaceful plant like ganja is missused to fulfill their animallike urges ... their only god is money ... and they are those who have the responsability of lets say 100 bulbs in an illegal system ...

and many of them should use the product that they produce .... tho i dont know if it will help ....

merry x-mas fuckers

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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:16 pm

by MadMoonMan

Roots wrote:I always thought "reneged" was a racist term, than I thought to myself there's no way he ended that post with a racist word so I googled it....you learn something new everyday.

That's one reason I've always tried not to be niggardly in reading the dictionary. In 4th grade I was in the "We Never Guess We Look It UP" club.

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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:22 am

by Freedombit1

Has anyone heard from POM? I'd love to read his latest chapter.

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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:13 am

by smokebreaks

Not lately. Haven't heard any word since the last reply just before the Christmas season.

Not really all that interested in where it goes from here.

The latest revelations from team Ulbricht was that someone had apparently been using the DPR account while Ross was in custody, so who knows where this goes.

My guess isn't exactly scientific but I'm thinking maybe Mongoose was telling what resembled the truth for a change.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:53 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:
My guess isn't exactly scientific but I'm thinking maybe Mongoose was telling what resembled the truth for a change.

Who knows? Wonders never cease. Maybe he has finally seen the error of his ways, albeit slightly too late.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:13 pm

by bentech

is there a pay-pal for him?

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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:18 pm

by Kilo20

Libertas is on his way to join Ross soon they'll have the all the staff in the same building!

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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:23 pm

by Intrinsic

Who the heck is Libertas ?? Or am I just too uninterested in figuring out yet another novella.

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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:16 am

by smokebreaks

He was supposedly just a paid moderator / customer service person for SIlk Road

Crazy that whole ordeal. His claims to the Irish government that incarceration in the US would be detrimental to his already sensitive nature was absolutely amazing.

I dunno if you're at all familiar with the US, but we still ain't closed Guantanamo.

His mental health they obviously don't care much about.

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:25 am

by deran

The release included 8,761 documents that it claimed revealed details of "malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized 'zero day' exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation."

Frankfurt used as remote hacking base for the CIA: WikiLeaks

http://www.dw.com/en/frankfurt-used-as- ... a-37841830" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

i was too lame to find the original wikileaks link .. thats todays smokin hot news overhere in wall - istan ...

more or less just a reminder to cover your ass, use linux, and surf from not your own ips

the newst hottest thing is "tv hacking" ... new modern (smart) TV`s become compromised in the way that the built in microphone and/or webcam get a "new" software, so that they transmit information to some unexpected ips via "strange" ports, meaning the tv is black and turned off, but you are in the middle of a live brodcast to your "enemy"; of course the tv is hacked from outside ...

my kung fu isnt that good, but i found ways to get into samsungs (smart tv) secret firmware menus and was able to hack my tv , a few codes of script and then i had open options that would otherwise have cost me 200 euros more

a disassembler to find the entrance memory for fucking around and a soft flash is all thats needed ... and of course an endless supply of tv`s until nailed down, or you have somebody working at that company who has a blueprint of the rom or ram memory addys

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:34 am

by deran

smokebreaks wrote:
I dunno if you're at all familiar with the US, but we still ain't closed Guantanamo.

wasnt that the main reason for obamas first term ? lol

i still wonder how its possible to have jails outside of own territory for foreign ppl to both countries
ok i know that its possible bc american can can ... but i wonder how its possible in terms of international laws, where is the "backdoor" for doing this ... like me building a jail in north korea for ppl from uruguay ... makes no sense, but its happening ... wtf ....

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:56 am

by bentech

the reason is that commercial law supersedes all law
gitmo was created under commercial law

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:37 pm

by deran

thx on the info, but im stuck ... as i cant distinguish between litteraly the poweer of money, or is there a law that is so called with its own paragraphs and so on ?

nc in the first case, that wouldnt be an official "excuse" the latter im not informed about it ..

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:48 pm

by Butters

Looks like Gypsy's coming to America next

PORTLAND, Maine — A London man accused of money laundering and conspiring to import and export marijuana from Maine to England should be in federal court in Portland to face charges in late spring or early summer, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.
Gypsy Nirvana, 56, was indicted in August 2013 by a federal grand jury in Portland, according to court documents.
The indictment was sealed until Friday. Information about why it was unsealed was not made public.
Nirvana was arrested on Aug. 23, 2013, in Olongapo City, Philippines, according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer.
After Nirvana’s arrest, Siegfred Mison, the then-acting immigration commissioner for the Philippines, told the Daily Inquirer that “the suspect profited hugely from his UK-based marijuana seed auction business, which catered mostly to American customers who transacted with him either via the internet or by mail and money wire transfers.”
Mison also told the newspaper that the “racket was uncovered only after several informants, who were Nirvana’s former associates, tipped U.S. authorities about his activities.”
The investigation that led to Nirvana’s arrest began on July 11, 2011, when customs agents at Logan International Airport in Boston intercepted an England-bound shipment of marijuana seeds that allegedly were purchased by Nirvana, Mison told the Daily Inquirer more than three years ago.
That discovery resulted in raids by agents with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on several marijuana plantations in Maine and the arrest of suspects who exposed and detailed the extent of the Nirvana’s marijuana business, the immigration official said.
No information about when and where specifically the DEA executed the raids in Maine was included in the indictment, which alleges Nirvana was exporting and importing marijuana.
Nirvana fought extradition from the Philippines for nearly a year, before that country’s court of appeals ordered the bureau of immigration to proceed with his deportation to England, the Daily Inquirer reported on July 20, 2014.
Information on when he left the Philippines and arrived in London was not included in the article or court documents. The U.S. attorney’s office indicates that Nirvana remains jailed in England awaiting extradition to Maine.
He was described by the bureau of immigration in the Philippines as “the founder of the online International Cannagraphic magazine” who allegedly was involved in a “marijuana seed auction business, which has been catering to customers in the U.S.”
Shortly after his arrest, Nirvana called the charges “ridiculous” on his blog. He said the selling of cannabis seed was legal in the United Kingdom because the seeds themselves contain no narcotic substances.
Nirvana was indicted with one or two other people for alleged drug activity between 2004 and April 2013 but their names are redacted from the indictment because they are not yet in custody, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.
If convicted, Nirvana faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $1 million. He also could be ordered to forfeit money and property if it is linked to his alleged drug operation.

http://bangordailynews.com/2017/03/07/n ... his-spring" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:49 pm

by bentech

smokes can offer alot more here in the distinction

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:10 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Perhaps the impetus for the unsealing of the indictment was simply the result of the statute of limitations forcing the government's hand. Decisions have to be made at a certain point or the decision is made by the shot clock.

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:36 pm

by MadMoonMan

Gypsy and I never loved each other much over the years. He kicked me off every site he owned and attacked me a couple times on here. Many moons ago during some of the "disturbances".

That said. My first seeds ever bought other than bag seed was from his earliest days.

Power corrupts and nuff said.

Why rehash things we did in our past not best representative of our true natures.

I deliberately ran my head into a brick wall one time because I was so drunk I was convinced I could actually knock it down.

Talk about something stopping your ass and freezing in time then frozen you sit straight back on your ass.

I do wish him as everyone well.

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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:57 am

by DD Ramone

Butters wrote:Looks like Gypsy's coming to America next

PORTLAND, Maine — A London man accused of money laundering and conspiring to import and export marijuana from Maine to England should be in federal court in Portland to face charges in late spring or early summer, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.
Gypsy Nirvana, 56, was indicted in August 2013 by a federal grand jury in Portland, according to court documents.
The indictment was sealed until Friday. Information about why it was unsealed was not made public.
Nirvana was arrested on Aug. 23, 2013, in Olongapo City, Philippines, according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer.
After Nirvana’s arrest, Siegfred Mison, the then-acting immigration commissioner for the Philippines, told the Daily Inquirer that “the suspect profited hugely from his UK-based marijuana seed auction business, which catered mostly to American customers who transacted with him either via the internet or by mail and money wire transfers.”
Mison also told the newspaper that the “racket was uncovered only after several informants, who were Nirvana’s former associates, tipped U.S. authorities about his activities.”
The investigation that led to Nirvana’s arrest began on July 11, 2011, when customs agents at Logan International Airport in Boston intercepted an England-bound shipment of marijuana seeds that allegedly were purchased by Nirvana, Mison told the Daily Inquirer more than three years ago.
That discovery resulted in raids by agents with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on several marijuana plantations in Maine and the arrest of suspects who exposed and detailed the extent of the Nirvana’s marijuana business, the immigration official said.
No information about when and where specifically the DEA executed the raids in Maine was included in the indictment, which alleges Nirvana was exporting and importing marijuana.
Nirvana fought extradition from the Philippines for nearly a year, before that country’s court of appeals ordered the bureau of immigration to proceed with his deportation to England, the Daily Inquirer reported on July 20, 2014.
Information on when he left the Philippines and arrived in London was not included in the article or court documents. The U.S. attorney’s office indicates that Nirvana remains jailed in England awaiting extradition to Maine.
He was described by the bureau of immigration in the Philippines as “the founder of the online International Cannagraphic magazine” who allegedly was involved in a “marijuana seed auction business, which has been catering to customers in the U.S.”
Shortly after his arrest, Nirvana called the charges “ridiculous” on his blog. He said the selling of cannabis seed was legal in the United Kingdom because the seeds themselves contain no narcotic substances.
Nirvana was indicted with one or two other people for alleged drug activity between 2004 and April 2013 but their names are redacted from the indictment because they are not yet in custody, according to the U.S. attorney’s office.
If convicted, Nirvana faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $1 million. He also could be ordered to forfeit money and property if it is linked to his alleged drug operation.

http://bangordailynews.com/2017/03/07/n ... his-spring" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To be fair, the fucking US Federal Justice system is supposed to be the pinnacle of patient healthcare, especially for the residents like Madoff, at the low risk minimum security white collar crime havens they send these fuckers to.

They have really no idea what awaits Libertas, hell, maybe the CIA wants him for a concierge at Vault 7.

Thing is, I mentioned this many years ago to you all, and again not that long ago.

The repository of virus and #cmd's that Wikileaks published this week that the CIA's been collecting has been known about for years by the BHS. (Black Hat Society)

http://www.blackhat.com/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The fact that the US government has been training computer geeks to work their dbase magic should come as no surprise to anyone.

http://tech.ubm.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:51 pm

by Nightcrawler

smokebreaks wrote:He was supposedly just a paid moderator / customer service person for SIlk Road

Crazy that whole ordeal. His claims to the Irish government that incarceration in the US would be detrimental to his already sensitive nature was absolutely amazing.

I dunno if you're at all familiar with the US, but we still ain't closed Guantanamo.

His mental health they obviously don't care much about.

No they don't care about it. There is another case, involving a woman alleged to have been involved in trafficking in steroids/human growth hormone (HGH). She is on suicide watch in an Irish prison, and the Americans are trying to have her extradited as well.

See: http://www.sundayworld.com/news/courts/ ... her-of-one" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:42 pm

by Nightcrawler

US comes for Silk Road accused despite stay

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/irela ... -jgsgq2d8w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (registration required)
[Full text of article included because it cannot be viewed without site registration]

US Marshals arrived in Dublin this week to extradite the Irishman accused of helping to run Silk Road, the notorious dark net website, despite a stay on his surrender being in place.

Gary Davis, 28, has been in Cloverhill Prison since his Court of Appeal challenge was dismissed at the end of last month.[February 28th] US authorities want Mr Davis in connection to charges of conspiracy to distribute narcotics, which carries a life sentence under American law.

Conditions of extradition say a person cannot be surrendered within 15 days of a court ruling to allow for a further appeal. However, on Wednesday [March 8th] Mr Davis was informed of the state’s intention to surrender him to US authorities the next day. [Thursday March 9th]

Mr Davis, from Kilpedder in Co Wicklow, contacted his solicitor who rushed to the Court of Appeal to confirm the stay was in place. Mr Justice George Birmingham confirmed the 15 days’ stay during which Mr Davis could not be surrendered, and permitted Mr Davis’ lawyers to apply for an appeal to the Supreme Court.

Orders of extradition are signed by Frances Fitzgerald, the justice minister. Her department declined to comment on the case yesterday. “Countries outside the European Union may make a request through diplomatic channels for extradition to seek the return of a person who is wanted in one of those countries in relation to a crime,” a spokesman said.

Lana Doherty, Mr Davis’ solicitor, said she was never contacted by the chief state solicitor’s office and only became aware of the situation when her client called on Wednesday morning. “I had to ring his parents and say ‘go and see your son because he’ll be gone tomorrow.’ Two marshals flew into Dublin and their return flight for three was booked for Thursday. I had notified the chief state solicitor that I am the point of contact but I didn’t hear anything and his family didn’t hear anything,” Ms Doherty said.

“I was going into court on a wing and a prayer. It was an incredibly stressful 36 hours and we want to know what was going on,” she added.

Ms Doherty said that the notice to challenge the Court of Appeal ruling in the Supreme Court could not have been entered any earlier because the appeal court’s determination had not been published before this week.

Mr Davis is fighting his extradition on the grounds that his Asperger’s syndrome is too severe to be properly treated inside the US prison system. During his appeal hearing last month his lawyer said that he lacked the “street smarts” for prison life and would face violence from gangs because his condition would cause him to stand out and seem odd.

During the initial High Court hearing in 2015 it emerged that Mr Davis was not diagnosed until after his arrest. Remy Farrell, representing the attorney-general, told the court that Mr Davis had “a mild case of Asperger’s brought on by a bad case of extradition”.

Mr Davis has not indicated how he would plead in New York. He told a psychologist during his High Court hearing that it was a case of mistaken identity and that he did not know how a copy of his passport, which was found on the computer of Ross Ulbricht — the founder of Silk Road — when it was seized, came to be there.

Nightcrawler

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:26 am

by DD Ramone

This has got me to thinking about what could be construed as a humorous situation by many, and possibly a dangerous one by some.

All roads seem to be leading to a fed nick for the unfortunate pair PoM and GN.

If the US 'Gub-mint' actually gets their way with these two wayward characters, they get extradited, then they get the chance to ride in cattle class on a con-air flight to face whatever 'music' is thrown at them in the US, do you think that their paths will ever cross?, and if they do, what might transpire during that interaction?

I wonder, would it be an altercation, or a conversation? Or maybe a bit of both.

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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:13 am

by roller24

Been pondering that myself, Both GN and POM are rivals in both business and love, Irony would certainly not miss the opportunity to put them in adjacent cells.

No humor in there incarceration or situation, but what a fantastic reality show ....

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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:29 am

by Prawn Connery

Depends on whether there are any ashtrays around, I suppose.

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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:58 pm

by DD Ramone

Prawn Connery wrote:Depends on whether there are any ashtrays around, I suppose.

smokebreaks wrote:I too, am not terribly convinced that PoM was the only operator of the new Variety Jones persona.

smokebreaks wrote:Maybe he was leaving the trail of bread crumbs, maybe he thought his last ditch effort would inspire one of the people who came here to keep digging, who knows what's going through his head when he's starring at an indictment with his name on it before the courts have served or unsealed it.

I visited the damsel 3 times last week. He's healthy and in good spirits.

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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:20 am

by Munchy

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:01 am

by AGD

Soundtrack for the show:

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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:48 pm

by Prawn Connery

And if that doesn't give you yellow fever, then I don't know what the fuck will!

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:42 am

by Munchy

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:36 pm

by smokebreaks

I thought it was more like this:

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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:33 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Vanity Fair staff writer Nick Bilton has a new book out on Ulricht-Silk Road and Vanity Fair has published an excerpt on their website where our old friend makes a significant appearance. Somewhat oddly, while other characters are called by their real names, Roger is referred to by his VJ pseudonym.

Ulbricht, who operated on the site under the pseudonym “Dread Pirate Roberts”—a nod to the 80s movie The Princess Bride—treated security as his top priority. He discussed everything on a secure chat application. After the alleged theft, he consulted his consigliere, a Canadian whom he had never met in real life but who operated on the Silk Road under the nom de plume “Variety Jones.” The first solution to the management crisis seemed the easiest: to simply pay the employee, Curtis Green, a visit and subsequently scare him into returning the stolen money. The second solution involved beating Green up for his treason.

But Ulbricht feared that neither option would work. His site was based on trust and scruples. If word got out on the Silk Road that users could steal hundreds of thousands of dollars without reprisal, others might skim, too. For days, Ulbricht waffled over the decision; he was, after all, just a twentysomething physics geek and coder from the Texas Hill Country. Was he really capable of violence?

After a few days, Variety Jones messaged Ulbricht: “So, you’ve had your time to think. You’re sitting in the big chair, and you need to make a decision.”

“I would have no problem wasting this guy,” Ulbricht replied.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/04/ ... ugs-murder" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Doesn't sound like the book is likely to expose any new information--at least judging from the excerpt which seems like just another rehashing of a tale we already know far better than the readers ever will. But maybe it does. I'm curious, but not curious enough to buy and read the book and find out. Roger's inevitable book is likely to be a hell of a lot more entertaining.

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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:22 pm

by Prawn Connery

Jesús Malverde wrote:Somewhat oddly, while other characters are called by their real names, Roger is referred to by his VJ pseudonym.

Maybe because he hasn't been convicted of anything. And if he never is, and VF names and shames him, then old mate would have very good grounds to sue. Just sayin'

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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:36 pm

by Jesús Malverde

No, Roger's name has been out in the press for a looong time now, there's no longer any valid journalistic reason to refer to Clark using the VJ (or any other) pseudonym. His name isn't VJ, or Cimon, or Plural of Mongoose, it's Roger Thomas Clark. It's not like Clark is or will be in any position to file suit. He couldn't even obtain counsel to defend himself against Gypsy in a simple civil matter when he was both free and operating businesses, never mind organize and press some sort of libel or defamation suit from a prison cell against a staff writer for a magazine that probably has a white shoe NYC law firm on permanent retainer.

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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:44 pm

by OzFreelancer

Jesús Malverde wrote:No, Roger's name has been out in the press for a looong time now, there's no longer any valid journalistic reason to refer to Clark using the VJ (or any other) pseudonym. His name isn't VJ, or Cimon, or Plural of Mongoose, it's Roger Thomas Clark. It's not like Clark is or will be in any position to file suit. He couldn't even obtain counsel to defend himself against Gypsy in a simple civil matter when he was both free and operating businesses, never mind organize and press some sort of libel or defamation suit from a prison cell against a staff writer for a magazine that probably has a white shoe NYC law firm on permanent retainer.

In the context of the excerpt they absolutely have to refer to VJ. Clark is still "allegedly" VJ and will be until he is convicted.

On another note, Bitcoin Uncensored reported on meeting Mongoose in prison - https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensore ... #t=1:26:45

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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:32 pm

by Prawn Connery

^ This

Jesús Malverde wrote:It's not like Clark is or will be in any position to file suit. He couldn't even obtain counsel to defend himself against Gypsy in a simple civil matter when he was both free and operating businesses,

That's really neither here nor there.

Jesús Malverde wrote: never mind organize and press some sort of libel or defamation suit from a prison cell against a staff writer for a magazine that probably has a white shoe NYC law firm on permanent retainer.

You think maybe those same shiny lawyers had something to do with referring to VJ as VJ in the context of an alleged conspiracy to murder?

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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:45 pm

by Prawn Connery

OzFreelancer wrote:On another note, Bitcoin Uncensored reported on meeting Mongoose in prison - https://soundcloud.com/bitcoinuncensore ... #t=1:26:45

Well the passport photo from Ulbricht's computer is in the book. And it's old AF.

That image must have been from back in the 80's

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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:48 am

by AGD

Appeals court upholds Ross Ulbricht’s life sentence for creating Silk Road

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... silk-road/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/i ... /1/hilite/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If PoM can't prove, that he is not Variety Jones, he will be facing the same shit.

A pretty remarkable part is this:

Finally, the appeals court said Forrest was right to take into account Ulbricht's interactions with fake hitmen at sentencing. The relevant point is that "he wanted the murders to be committed, he paid for them, and he believed that they had been carried out," Lynch wrote in a footnote. "The fact that his hired assassin may have defrauded him does not reflect positively on Ulbricht's character."

The same will be valid for VJ's actions. If all this really happened, he seems like a pretty evil bastard who deserves a long long sentence. I still hope it turns out, that PoM is NOT the guy.

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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:35 pm

by Jesús Malverde

AGD wrote:At 1:31:38 he says "Mongoose isn't that guy (Variety Jones)"
As I said before: It is not 100% proven, that PoM was Variety Jones. When I asked him about the "murder for hire" incident, he made a similar statement.
What do they really have against him?
The strongest evidence might be the passport which was found on Russ' computer, but afaik there was a passport scan of Roger available on the internet. Everyone could have send it as a proof of identity.
What else? You think Variety Jones' statement to Ross "Google Plural of Mongoose" is enough to lock Roger for life?

I don't think so and I bet they don't even have ips of Silk Road logins that lead to Roger. Practically they have nothing to prove the connection. Can't wait for the trial to begin.

There was not, to the best of my knowledge ever a scan of Clark's passport uploaded to the internet. And I'm pretty damn sure of this as even though he "outed" himself as "Thomas Clark*" during his drama involving Gypsy and Seed Boutique, he never revealed his actual name--Roger Thomas Clark--and in fact freaked out a bit when one anonymous poster once referred to him publicly on PG as "Roger". The source of confusion arose instead, I'm sure, from a time Clark once uploaded a photo of five passports in his possession, two UK, two US, and one Canadian, to the PG servers positioned in front of a computer screen with the PG site prominately displayed on it. He also separately posted a photo of a Thai passport in his possession, I think all this was to bolster his stories that he was some sort of a formidably dangerous secret agent of some sort with "43 taps (hits)" to his name.

I'd post the actual photos uploaded by Roger to PG, but it would just result in a lot of pointless nagging from the usual pointless naggers.

*Thomas Clark being such a generic name that it gives approximately nothing away.

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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:41 pm

by deran

Jesús Malverde wrote:
I'd post the actual photos uploaded by Roger to PG, but it would just result in a lot of pointless nagging from the usual pointless naggers.

you cant treat memories just like nagging, can you ?

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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:07 am

by AGD

VJ mentioned from 56:40. They got pretty exactly the moral turning point of VJ and Ross from their libertarian view into simple violent drug kingpins. PoM's answer to my question regarding this conversation, was more like some other person used the VJ/Cimon account.

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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:13 pm

by Irwin the Troll

Subtle coincidence

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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:22 am

by AGD

Irwin the Troll wrote:Subtle coincidence
Diamond.PNG
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:24 am

by DD Ramone

Eh, just had word that this war of legal attrition still goes on for GN sadly.

The USA has appealed against the decision of the British Judge DJ Zani to absolve GN of any wrong-doing by refusing to extradite him across the pond.

Now the appeal will be heard in the High Court by 3 other British Judges, and according to his lawyers it should be done and dusted within 2-3 months.

I've not been able to find any cases where a British Judges decision NOT TO EXTRADITE someone has been overturned on appeal in the High Court.

No new 'evidence' has been submitted by the US prosecutors. It seems that they are just going with the same old 'CONSPIRACY' angle, stating that Judge Zani erred in his judgement by not seeing any 'CONSPIRACY' in GN's business of buying and selling what is considered a legal product (Cannabis Seeds), under British law.

In 2011 two British banks that had been processing funds knowingly from cannabis seed sales from GN's bizz suddenly refused to do it anymore, after happily processing them for many years.(most probably they were contacted by the feds and forced to stop processing GN's funds from seed sales). Within a few months this led to GN having a stack of m.o's he couldn't cash. He told DG about this problem, and she suggested that he send them to her to cash in Maine, where she said that she could get them processed for a 20% fee. Little did GN know that at that time DG was a confidential witness/informant for the feds who helped her set GN up with an entrapment for the laundering charge.

It's over 4 years now since GN was first arrested and detained in the Philippines on these ridiculous charges that would never come about in the UK since cannabis seed trading is perfectly legal under British law, and after all he is a British subject/citizen. At the recent extradition trial Judge Zani said 'If Mr Nirvana can sell these seeds legally, then he has to be able to buy them from somewhere'.

He remains on bail in the UK, without any real restrictions until this is finally resolved. In the unlikely event it does go 'tits-up' for him and the order NOT TO EXTRADITE him is reversed, then he can appeal.

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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:50 pm

by bentech

whats the word on pom?

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:04 pm

by DD Ramone

It's all a bit of a 'Nothing-Burger', so far as news about the PoM'ster is concerned.

Nicky won't talk about his situation in e-mails because she feels that she might be implicated, although she had absolutely nothing to do with the whole Silk Road palava.

Unless someone actually goes to visit PoM in Bangers and eye-balls the situation, most everyone is none the wiser.

I presume that he's still banged up in detention fighting desperately to get out of that mess, so that he can spend his massive bit coin balance.
Maybe he has hope of trying to buy his way outa that Thai Babylon?, but its kinda hard to remember his encrypted and very long passwords to his virtual wallets to pass on to someone that might be able to access his account. There may be a flashdrive or somewhere other than his heavily encrypted laptops where that info is stored, possibly in his 'prison pocket' where the ruby phone used to keep it company.

If anyone is out that way, drop by and say hi, and if he hasn't smoked himself into a stage 4 cancer situation with GOLD CITY cigarettes just yet, do let us know.

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Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:02 pm

by bentech

any short path to putting money on his book where held?

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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:11 am

by DD Ramone

bentech wrote:any short path to putting money on his book where held?

Not a good idea 'cos he will just smoke himself to death even sooner, and then he will miss his extradition and trial stateside.

Someone needs to go visit him and report back here about it to let us know that he's not managed to buy his way out of there.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:23 pm

by OzFreelancer

Plural of Mongoose/PoM has arrived in the USA, nearly 2 1/2 years after his arrest in Thailand
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ma ... ad-website

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:28 pm

by bentech

from the above^^^

CLARK – who went by the online nicknames “Variety Jones,” “VJ,” “Cimon,” and “Plural of Mongoose” – was described by Ulbricht as a “real mentor” who advised Ulbricht about, among other things, security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road site, technical infrastructure, management of the Silk Road users, and operating in a manner to attempt to thwart law enforcement. CLARK provided advice to Ulbricht on developing a “cover story” to make it appear as though Ulbricht had sold Silk Road, and also assisted with hiring programmers to help improve the infrastructure of, and maintain, Silk Road. CLARK also communicated at length with Ulbricht regarding the rules that governed Silk Road vendors and users, and regarding the promotion of sales on Silk Road, including the sales of narcotics. CLARK also was responsible for gathering information on law enforcement’s efforts to investigate Silk Road.
CLARK was paid at least hundreds of thousands of dollars for his assistance in operating Silk Road.

CLARK, 56, a citizen of Canada, is charged with narcotics trafficking conspiracy; narcotics trafficking; distributing narcotics by means of the internet; conspiracy to commit, and aid and abet, a computer hacking conspiracy; conspiracy to traffic in fraudulent identification documents; and money laundering conspiracy. If convicted, he faces, among other penalties, a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years in prison and a maximum sentence of life in prison. The maximum potential sentences in this case are prescribed by Congress and are provided here for informational purposes only, as any sentencing of the defendant will be determined by the judge.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:01 pm

by bentech

a good couple pages of this thread

Oct 07, 2015
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022&start=345" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:28 am

by AGD

CLARK – who went by the online nicknames “Variety Jones,” “VJ,” “Cimon,” and “Plural of Mongoose” – was described by Ulbricht as a “real mentor” who advised Ulbricht about, among other things, security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road site

Do you guys really think that PoM is able to do this??? Not sure about the 'other things' , but PoM as an expert hacker? Nahhh ..

Edit: VJ closed a vulnerability in bitcoind, which was the entry point to DPR's trust.

This interview, which was supposed to be made with DPR, was definitely made with Variety Jones:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenb ... 040bc45732" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can you tell me anything about the original creator of the Silk Road? How did you meet? And did you acquire the Silk Road from him in a financial deal of some kind, or simply take over the project?

He was well compensated and happy with our arrangement. It was his idea to pass the torch in fact. We met through the site. I had discovered a big vulnerability in the way he had configured the main Bitcoin wallet that was being used to process all of the deposits and withdrawals on the site. At first he ignored me, but I persisted and gained his trust by helping him secure the wallet. From there we became close friends working on Silk Road together.

From Ross Ulbrichts journal:

"Around this time, Variety Jones showed up. This was the biggest and strongest willed character I had met through the site thus far. He quickly proved to me that he had value by pointing out a major security hole in the site I was unaware of. It was an attack on bitcoind."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic ... sg11154298" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic ... sg11154647" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:47 am

by OzFreelancer

DD Ramone wrote:
bentech wrote:any short path to putting money on his book where held?
Someone needs to go visit him and report back here about it to let us know that he's not managed to buy his way out of there.

I visited him 4 times. AMA

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:07 am

by AGD

Possible, that PoM is out for a compensation for wrongful imprisonment? Like 'If they think VJ=Mongoose, then why not playing their game and let them pay for it?'

Edit: All his appearance here on MPG and his 'come and get me' emails make absolutely no sense if he really was VJ on Silk Road who faces life in prison. But it WOULD make sense if PoM was (more or less) innocent, attention seeking and looking for big money. In that case he might even know the real identity of Variety Jones. Maybe it is somebody who had access to his passport.
As I mentioned before: The real coder in the family was ~s~ and not PoM. ~s~ was the one who was able to find a vulnerability in bitcoind and not PoM. Coincidentally the nick 'shabang' and 'Variety Jones' has been registered at Silk Road within minutes. Remember the story PoM told about a meeting with VJ and ~s~? As far as I know he was the only one to meet both in person and to write about it in the internet. So he is either lying and the person behind all 3 nicks. In that case he could be the hacker/coder or his story about the meeting is true and he knows ~s~ and VJ.

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:55 am

by Munchy

didn't we determine that the passport image had been previously posted on the forum by POM, so anyone could have had access to it?

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:08 am

by AGD

Munchy wrote:didn't we determine that the passport image had been previously posted on the forum by POM, so anyone could have had access to it?

Not sure if it has been determined yet. I have heard the same about the passport, but somebody here said it never happened.

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:21 am

by AGD

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... -silk-road" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Through an analysis of the blockchain, many of these payments were connected to an account at Mt. Gox, the failed Bitcoin exchange that was shut down in 2014. By referring to several leaked databases from Mt. Gox, it is possible to link specific deposits with individual users of the service.

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The first Mt. Gox dump, from March 2014, contained information on trades as far back as 2011. The second, released in February 2015, was a redacted version of the exchange's userbase. It included the names used by customers to sign up, as well as partial email addresses.

By cross-referencing transactions detailed in Variety Jones's Bitcoin wallet with these two leaks, it is revealed that a large number of payments made to "Chgr" and "smed" eventually arrive in a Mt. Gox account registered in the name "Mike Wattier." An email in the Variety Jones account is also forwarded to an address with the name "mwattier."

On multiple social media and freelance developer sites, a Mike Wattier connected to the same email address found in the Variety Jones account identifies himself as an American with 20 years of open source ecommerce experience who is adept with a wide variety of programming languages.

The same Wattier also appears to have a presence on Twitter, LinkedIn, and Github. Judging by his Facebook activity, he was in Pattaya, Thailand, as of March 2015. Some of his profiles list him as living on the Thai island of Koh Chang.

Otherwise known as Elephant Island, the remote Koh Chang is covered in jungles, boasts a lively party scene, and in recent years has seen a steady rise of foreign visitors and expats. Many places on the island turn their electricity off at night.

Interestingly, this is the same location that previous investigations have linked to the man believed to be Variety Jones.

According to online records found by La Moustache, the man suspected of being Variety Jones and an associate from a marijuana seed selling business travelled to the island in 2008. From here, the pair brought back a strain of seed only found on, and named after, Koh Chang, and it was advertised as a freebie by the seed selling business.

Later, in chat logs found on Ulbricht's computer, Variety Jones told DPR that "I love thailand for the weather, the people, and the weed ain't bad either."

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:51 am

by AGD

Munchy wrote:didn't we determine that the passport image had been previously posted on the forum by POM, so anyone could have had access to it?

The passport scan is the only strong link Silk Road -> PoM. Another one is mentioned in the chat logs, where VJ points to the term 'Plural of Mongoose' in case Ross wants to know his background. If this is all they have against PoM, then they have practically nothing and a compensation could be worth the bet. In that case: Chapeau Mongoose!

Now if they can prove, that PoM was VJ on Silk Road and he really was the one who wanted Ross to order these hits, then he might even deserve a long sentence and I have to work on my people skills.

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:09 am

by smokebreaks

Looks like a trip to SDNY is in order.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 1/download" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:11 am

by DD Ramone

I guess that he will think about taking it to trial as Ulbricht did for an ego enhancer where various Mum's and Dad's who's children died from <something in the post> from SR will be paraded before said jury, then game over, he will have the rest of his life to write much more fiction in a fed-pen.

If he ever concentrated on what he actually had some talent at, then he could still go far literally.

He never was particularly good at computer security and always relied on others, sub-contracting out any complicated work to people such as Mike Wattier.

In his movie he's the good guy, the star, the champion of very warped values..

In reality he is just an accessory to murder, and an enabler for others to do the same.

Imagine being one of those Mum's or Dad's, you would probably be baying for blood.

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:41 am

by smokebreaks

Well the question is now, how far do we want to go to get him off?

Some will have to be making some decisions here and arguably they may not be the most favorable for many parties involved if this is indeed going to proceed?

You know the draconia that is the US Government could be reduced in stature even further should he become victorious in his quest to make “Karen Tandy, his bitch.”

This is going to become quite the shit show once an amicus briefing is filed.

And believe me, there’s about to be a whole lot of egg on the faces of the people who created the .tor network.

Cause it ain’t like the US Navy didn’t know what that project was being used for, and by whom it was funded.

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:13 am

by Jesús Malverde

Munchy wrote:didn't we determine that the passport image had been previously posted on the forum by POM, so anyone could have had access to it?

No, it was never posted. He guarded his Roger first name very, very closely — even after he publicly identified as Thomas Clark.

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:16 am

by bentech

you think the prosecution can be embarrassed into withdrawl of their case?

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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:47 pm

by smokebreaks

bentech wrote:you think the prosecution can be embarrassed into withdrawl of their case?

after the soviets fall the us invested 35 billion dollars in helping the mafia rip profitable elements of their infrastructure and manufacturing base away from the people who had built them

btw,
our occupations of afganistan is providing the mining industry with billions of dollars of infrastructure improvements to of their mineral claims there that they plan to exploit in the future

all the free roads tunnels and electricity curtesy of the us tax payer is just gravy

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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:07 pm

by smokebreaks

the United Nations office on Drug Control put out this assessment a few years back.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/evaluati ... _rev_1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nimroz is the corner stone province and main gateway for opium/morphine/heroin smuggling out of Afghanistan with as much as 90% of the nation’s illegal opium crop exiting the country from this area. This is one of the most important strategic pathways for narcotic trafficking from Helmand, Kandahar and Farah Provinces (which are the highest opium growing/collection centers in the country), through southern Nimroz, into Iran and further on to the markets in the West. This happens because there are no law enforcement authorities stationed in this area. The local Border Police has left the region because of lack of support, manpower, training, equipment and facilities. The elders and Mullahs of the region have reported that over 10,000 Kilos of narcotics pass through this part of Nimroz every week.

The report also states the Afghan/Iran border police are paid $120 a month.

Yet the Dyncorp defense contractor pulls in $250,000 annually and most of its tax free.

So yeah, it ain’t connected via cases to PoM like you said, Hax, but just how the fuck do you think you move 10,000 Kilos of Opium, every fucking week?

Yet an old lady has to piss in a cup for her pain meds?

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:41 am

by AGD

https://www.law360.com/cybersecurity-pr ... d-sidekick" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A Canadian man on Tuesday denied helping incarcerated Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht run his infamous web bazaar for illegal drugs, and a prosecutor told the Manhattan federal judge overseeing the case that the government will use chats from Ulbricht's seized laptop in its effort to convict his alleged right-hand man.

U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III accepted a not guilty plea from Roger Thomas Clark, 56, who was extradited to New York on Friday after being in custody in Thailand since December 2015.

Means they indeed have shit on PoM, if he can explain how the passport scan made it to Ulbrichts computer.

Let me guess: A guy, who doesn't like PoM too much, registers at Silk Road with 2 nicks that already associate VJ to PoM. His goal was to squeeze out money off Silk Road by infiltrating (bitcoind vuln is pretty good to gain trust) and manipulating the admin into previously unwanted actions (torture, hitmen etc) and later turn him over to the three letters. Because of his computer skills he probably was able to steal a passport scan from PoM's computer which he has sent to Ross. Now he just has to chat with Ross and mention 'Plural of Mongoose' to associate the password scan with VJ/Cimon and pronto!

Another thought: If PoM=VJ, then he had enough time to dispose ANY connection to Silk Road. Even if they were able to decrypt his laptop (which I am sure they are if they really want it) they most likely will find nothing.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:46 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Why do I have this sinking feeling that PoM hasn't got any legal counsel fit for purpose to defend himself? Hope I'm wrong, but if he were to have, it would be completely out of character. May it go to trial and may PoM have a vigorous and competent defense before the court. It at least appears PoM hasn't flipped, but it may be because the USG has already gotten everyone they were much interested in getting now and there's no deal to be had.

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:01 pm

by smokebreaks

'Silk Road' Laptop Said To Have Dirt On Alleged Sidekick

Law360, New York (June 19, 2018, 9:45 PM EDT) -- A Canadian man on Tuesday denied helping incarcerated Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht run his infamous web bazaar for illegal drugs, and a prosecutor told the Manhattan federal judge overseeing the case that the government will use chats from Ulbricht's seized laptop in its effort to convict his alleged right-hand man.

U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III accepted a not guilty plea from Roger Thomas Clark, 56, who was extradited to New York on Friday after being in custody in Thailand since December 2015. Judge Pauley set a Sept. 20 follow-up hearing to discuss potential defense motions.

“Not guilty on all charges,” said Clark, who appeared shackled with a shaved head and wearing drab prison grab. Clark appeared to be in good spirits, smiling as he chatted quietly with his defense attorney.

Clark is accused of a slew of offenses including narcotics trafficking conspiracy, distributing narcotics by means of the internet, computer hacking conspiracy and money laundering conspiracy. He faces a lengthy prison term — a maximum of life — if convicted.

Ulbricht, the once-brash operator of Silk Road who called himself “Dread Pirate Roberts” online, was convicted of operating Silk Road in a trial before U.S. District Judge Katherine B. Forrest in February 2015. Judge Forrest sentenced Ulbricht to life in prison several months later and the Second Circuit upheld the sentence in May 2017.

Clark, like Ulbricht, has exhibited a measure of brashness. In September 2016, the tech website ARS Technica quoted the jailed Clark as saying of the feds, "They don’t have shit on me.” He apparently reasoned that investigators had not gained access to his encrypted devices.

But when the authorities arrested Ulbricht in San Francisco in October 2013, they retrieved his laptop, while still open, and imaged all of it — retrieving what they called “overwhelming” evidence.

That evidence will extend to Clark, prosecutor Michael D. Neff of the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's Office said Tuesday, telling the judge Ulbricht's laptop contains “chat records,” “travel records” and a picture of the passport taken from Clark in Thailand.

Neff also said the feds retrieved devices that Clark had in his possession when he was arrested, but did not comment on what was on them or whether any encrypted device had been accessed.

Neff said Clark has been granted the “extremely” rare privilege of getting daily access to the government's discovery materials while he awaits trial in federal detention.

“They have committed to us that they will do that,” Neff said of the authorities at the Brooklyn federal detention center, where Clark is being held.

Clark's lawyer declined to comment after the arraignment. She told Judge Pauley she needed time to review the government's case.

Clark is represented by Stephanie Carvlin.

The government is represented by Michael D. Neff, Richard Cooper and Timothy T. Howard of the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's Office.

The case is U.S. v. Clark, case number 1:15-cr-00866, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

--Editing by Janice Carter Brown.

She looks like she knows what she's doing.

http://www.carvlinlaw.com/bio.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stephanie Carvlin runs her own Manhattan-based law firm, which focuses exclusively on providing representation in federal and state criminal cases. Ms. Carvlin received her Bachelor of Arts from Hampshire College. She received her Juris Doctorate with High Honors from the University of Connecticut School of Law. After completing an appellate clerkship with the Honorable T. Clarke Hull in Connecticut, Ms. Carvlin worked as a Staff Attorney in the Appeals Bureau of the Legal Aid Society of Nassau County. Ms. Carvlin rose to Deputy Bureau Chief before leaving to serve as a Staff Attorney in the Trial Bureau of the Bronx County division of the Legal Aid Society of New York.

In 1994, Ms. Carvlin started the firm. In the past decade, she has represented individuals charged with a variety of serious federal and state criminal offenses. She has been involved in some of the most celebrated cases of the day, representing people ranging from police officers accused of misconduct to purported Mafia dons to union officials charged with corruption. She has written on a variety of subjects in the criminal law field.

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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:23 am

by Jesús Malverde

PoM is getting updated daily on discovery? Good. Carvlin appears to be well qualified to represent Clark, she's done high-profile cases before and won't be in awe of the occasion. Hampshire grad too, really good undergrad school, had a good friend graduate there.

PoM appears to be well represented, let the trial begin. I hope he beats the rap.

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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:41 am

by AGD

Neff said Clark has been granted the “extremely” rare privilege of getting daily access to the government's discovery materials while he awaits trial in federal detention.

That evidence will extend to Clark, prosecutor Michael D. Neff of the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's Office said Tuesday, telling the judge Ulbricht's laptop contains “chat records,” “travel records” and a picture of the passport taken from Clark in Thailand.

Neff also said the feds retrieved devices that Clark had in his possession when he was arrested, but did not comment on what was on them or whether any encrypted device had been accessed.

Do they sniff at evidence as well?

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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:54 pm

by Munchy

oh shit...

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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:04 pm

by OzFreelancer

smokebreaks wrote:
'Silk Road' Laptop Said To Have Dirt On Alleged Sidekick

Law360, New York (June 19, 2018, 9:45 PM EDT) -- A Canadian man on Tuesday denied helping incarcerated Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht run his infamous web bazaar for illegal drugs, and a prosecutor told the Manhattan federal judge overseeing the case that the government will use chats from Ulbricht's seized laptop in its effort to convict his alleged right-hand man.

U.S. District Judge William H. Pauley III accepted a not guilty plea from Roger Thomas Clark, 56, who was extradited to New York on Friday after being in custody in Thailand since December 2015. Judge Pauley set a Sept. 20 follow-up hearing to discuss potential defense motions.

“Not guilty on all charges,” said Clark, who appeared shackled with a shaved head and wearing drab prison grab. Clark appeared to be in good spirits, smiling as he chatted quietly with his defense attorney.

Clark is accused of a slew of offenses including narcotics trafficking conspiracy, distributing narcotics by means of the internet, computer hacking conspiracy and money laundering conspiracy. He faces a lengthy prison term — a maximum of life — if convicted.

Ulbricht, the once-brash operator of Silk Road who called himself “Dread Pirate Roberts” online, was convicted of operating Silk Road in a trial before U.S. District Judge Katherine B. Forrest in February 2015. Judge Forrest sentenced Ulbricht to life in prison several months later and the Second Circuit upheld the sentence in May 2017.

Clark, like Ulbricht, has exhibited a measure of brashness. In September 2016, the tech website ARS Technica quoted the jailed Clark as saying of the feds, "They don’t have shit on me.” He apparently reasoned that investigators had not gained access to his encrypted devices.

But when the authorities arrested Ulbricht in San Francisco in October 2013, they retrieved his laptop, while still open, and imaged all of it — retrieving what they called “overwhelming” evidence.

That evidence will extend to Clark, prosecutor Michael D. Neff of the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's Office said Tuesday, telling the judge Ulbricht's laptop contains “chat records,” “travel records” and a picture of the passport taken from Clark in Thailand.

Neff also said the feds retrieved devices that Clark had in his possession when he was arrested, but did not comment on what was on them or whether any encrypted device had been accessed.

Neff said Clark has been granted the “extremely” rare privilege of getting daily access to the government's discovery materials while he awaits trial in federal detention.

“They have committed to us that they will do that,” Neff said of the authorities at the Brooklyn federal detention center, where Clark is being held.

Clark's lawyer declined to comment after the arraignment. She told Judge Pauley she needed time to review the government's case.

Clark is represented by Stephanie Carvlin.

The government is represented by Michael D. Neff, Richard Cooper and Timothy T. Howard of the Manhattan U.S. Attorney's Office.

The case is U.S. v. Clark, case number 1:15-cr-00866, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

--Editing by Janice Carter Brown.

She looks like she knows what she's doing.

http://www.carvlinlaw.com/bio.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stephanie Carvlin runs her own Manhattan-based law firm, which focuses exclusively on providing representation in federal and state criminal cases. Ms. Carvlin received her Bachelor of Arts from Hampshire College. She received her Juris Doctorate with High Honors from the University of Connecticut School of Law. After completing an appellate clerkship with the Honorable T. Clarke Hull in Connecticut, Ms. Carvlin worked as a Staff Attorney in the Appeals Bureau of the Legal Aid Society of Nassau County. Ms. Carvlin rose to Deputy Bureau Chief before leaving to serve as a Staff Attorney in the Trial Bureau of the Bronx County division of the Legal Aid Society of New York.

In 1994, Ms. Carvlin started the firm. In the past decade, she has represented individuals charged with a variety of serious federal and state criminal offenses. She has been involved in some of the most celebrated cases of the day, representing people ranging from police officers accused of misconduct to purported Mafia dons to union officials charged with corruption. She has written on a variety of subjects in the criminal law field.

I find it hard to imagine there is much on Ulbricht's computer that could definitively finger Clark as being VJ, other than circumstantial stuff that a good lawyer should be able to explain away. I'll be interested in the proceedings

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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:09 am

by bentech

have we determined just who he was trying to provoke when he started posting his story here?

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:45 am

by AGD

bentech wrote:have we determined just who he was trying to provoke when he started posting his story here?

[Haxxie says you faked going to jail to cover your tracks, cause you were architecting...]

I really never thought it possible that I would be in a position to have to say that no, I didn't architect anything, I was too busy being in Wandsworth fucking prison. Life, she deals you some strange curves sometimes, don't she.

Choy's Chinese Food restaurant in Surbiton, Surrey, Merry Olde England.

Johnson Specialties

I went directly from court to Wandsworth prison, pretty much a hellhole, but hey, now it was my hellhole.

Now, you're probably wondering why you had to read all this.

Blame it on Haxxie. (Now Jesús Malverde here, for all you newbs)

Haxxie wasn't being malicious, but rather was operating without all the information, and filled in the blanks from rumor and innuendo. Hey, that shit happens.

But the result was folks like Moustache come here for information, and get a skewed view of an alternate reality. The altered reality said nope, Mongoose was never in prison, it was all a ruse while he was in reality Architecting away at you know which project. Hey, Munchy sent him a letter addressed to Wandsworth Prison, and they sent it back, case fucking closed.

Case fucking closed ...

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:22 am

by Munchy

my bad..

I didn't know his inmate #, nor that it was required... in fact I doubt if I even put Roger

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:08 am

by DD Ramone

PoM did spend a few months in a UK jail on a cultivation conviction, and since he is a Canadian national.....this led to his deportation from the UK. All of his history of illegal shenanigans around trying to steal GNLTD and an assault case that the Crown Prosecution Service paid for on his behalf to prosecute, which he then dropped at great public expense didn't encourage the UK authorities to let him stay in the UK

Nicky did tell me that he just got 'a few months', and I got the impression that that meant between 5 and 8 months.

It must have been around 2010/11 when she told me.

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:33 pm

by BagofDicks

OzFreelancer wrote:
DD Ramone wrote:
bentech wrote:any short path to putting money on his book where held?
Someone needs to go visit him and report back here about it to let us know that he's not managed to buy his way out of there.
I visited him 4 times. AMA

How optimistic did he seem about his chances in court if he got extradited? I'm assuming not good since he spent a long time fighting it.

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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:16 am

by AGD

Nothing really new , but ...
https://darknetlive.com/wp-content/uplo ... -Entry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:20 am

by DD Ramone

I reckon that where that box is ticked near the bottom of that filing it says 'SPEEDY-TRIAL TIME EXCLUDED UNDER - 18 USC gabba-gabba-hey!, - until 6/19/2018, means that the right to a Speedy Trial Law didn't come into effect in his case until the 19th June, once they had him firmly ensconced in a US jail on US soil.

Before that date he was fighting extradition under the care and control of some other sovereign state (Thailand), so the Speedy Trial Act could not be enacted while all that was going on.

AGD wrote:Nothing really new , but ...
https://darknetlive.com/wp-content/uplo ... -Entry.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:56 am

by bentech

your lawyer will almost always advise you to waive your right to a speedy trial each time it comes up every few months

since your most likely going to take a plea you want to engraciate yourself to the prosecutions as much as possible to get the best deal that's coming and this is part of the way to do that

give the prosecution all the time it wants...

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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:42 pm

by smokebreaks

Court appointed lawyer. He’s fucked.

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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:44 am

by Munchy

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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:55 pm

by Jesús Malverde

smokebreaks wrote:Court appointed lawyer. He’s fucked.

Did Carvlin drop the case or was it simply a matter of him not having the dosh I wonder? Either way, not good.

Nobody should ever have to face a serious charge represented by a person paid by the same government that is charging you. The trial—and the lawyer will do *everything* to avoid one — if it happens will be essentially a sham trial given the disparities in resources and perverse incentives baked in. This means the truth, whatever it is, will probably never actually come out too.

Do we know enough to know if any chats or forum posts under VJ or Cimon occurred while Clark was in custody for cultivation? If we knew when Clark was in, we could compare it on a timeline against the evidence made public in US vs. Ulbricht. That might actually be pretty damn exculpatory.

The saddest part is that because of the court appointed counsel, Clark will probably be convicted whether he is guilty or innocent.

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:39 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:Court appointed lawyer. He’s fucked.
Did Carvlin drop the case or was it simply a matter of him not having the dosh I wonder? Either way, not good.

Nobody should ever have to face a serious charge represented by a person paid by the same government that is charging you. The trial—and the lawyer will do *everything* to avoid one — if it happens will be essentially a sham trial given the disparities in resources and perverse incentives baked in. This means the truth, whatever it is, will probably never actually come out too.

Do we know enough to know if any chats or forum posts under VJ or Cimon occurred while Clark was in custody for cultivation? If we knew when Clark was in, we could compare it on a timeline against the evidence made public in US vs. Ulbricht. That might actually be pretty damn exculpatory.

The saddest part is that because of the court appointed counsel, Clark will probably be convicted whether he is guilty or innocent.

If he was in jail at the time the chats occured, he probably knew before he made his first posting after 6 years, 3 months, 4 weeks, 1 day, and 8 hours.

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:21 am

by DD Ramone

He would have to justify where money came from to pay for any lawyers, and since he doesn't have any registered income, has always been an alternative/crypto currency fan, then you can bet you're bottom dollar that any funds he might have probably came from SR/Ulbricht and are sitting in some heavily encrypted virtual wallet out there, somewhere in the ether, UNLESS the alphabets have already figured that out and have somehow managed to find and contain those funds already so might use that as evidence too.

The feds are not usually/generally stupid, so I am pretty sure that they have what they think is an airtight case against PoM, or they wouldn't have gone through all the trouble to get it to this stage already and that probably includes financial records, that's if they were able to 'follow the money', crack the bitcoin exchange mechanism and link identities to transactions beyond any reasonable doubt.

I don't have the exact dates for when PoM was incarcerated, but it wasn't for very long and getting hold of a smart phone in a UK prison is far from impossible these days.

here is a link to how prevalent it is: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+pr ... e&ie=UTF-8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jesús Malverde wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:Court appointed lawyer. He’s fucked.
Did Carvlin drop the case or was it simply a matter of him not having the dosh I wonder? Either way, not good.

Nobody should ever have to face a serious charge represented by a person paid by the same government that is charging you. The trial—and the lawyer will do *everything* to avoid one — if it happens will be essentially a sham trial given the disparities in resources and perverse incentives baked in. This means the truth, whatever it is, will probably never actually come out too.

Do we know enough to know if any chats or forum posts under VJ or Cimon occurred while Clark was in custody for cultivation? If we knew when Clark was in, we could compare it on a timeline against the evidence made public in US vs. Ulbricht. That might actually be pretty damn exculpatory.

The saddest part is that because of the court appointed counsel, Clark will probably be convicted whether he is guilty or innocent.

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:00 am

by smokebreaks

According to that form from his intake under the attorney’s name there is a line with little boxes that reads CJA notice it’s not the box that says RETAINED

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:24 am

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:According to that form from his intake under the attorney’s name there is a line with little boxes that reads CJA notice it’s not the box that says RETAINED

Which means that Carvling IS the appointed lawyer, right?

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:40 am

by smokebreaks

Correct. In the US if you don’t have the funds for an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you. The one he’s got, has done high profile cases, but is most likely from the pool that they have to work with.

It ain’t like the mob lawyer that RC had retained after the RCMP had seized Overgrow.

I’ll try to find some time to dig up her caseload and history but I’m kind of busy the next few days.

As DD Ramone said, he’d have to prove where he got his funds to pay for his defense, and they can’t be from illicit activity. So the likelihood that he could retain his own counsel is going to be damn near impossible since he wasn’t able to raise the $6k US to get himself a fixer out of Thailand, I’m doubtful he’s going to be able to do anything beyond take a plea.

Innocent people have been railroaded into the grey bar motel in the states many times.

Hell ask most anyone locked up and they will tell you tales of their wrongful convictions.

It’s rather ruinous to have to prove your innocence in the US’s legal farce of a justice department. Especially disheartening when you’re supposedly innocent until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

They don’t call it the “Just Us” system without reason.

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:08 pm

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:Correct. In the US if you don’t have the funds for an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you. The one he’s got, has done high profile cases, but is most likely from the pool that they have to work with.

It ain’t like the mob lawyer that RC had retained after the RCMP had seized Overgrow.

I’ll try to find some time to dig up her caseload and history but I’m kind of busy the next few days.

As DD Ramone said, he’d have to prove where he got his funds to pay for his defense, and they can’t be from illicit activity. So the likelihood that he could retain his own counsel is going to be damn near impossible since he wasn’t able to raise the $6k US to get himself a fixer out of Thailand, I’m doubtful he’s going to be able to do anything beyond take a plea.

Innocent people have been railroaded into the grey bar motel in the states many times.

Hell ask most anyone locked up and they will tell you tales of their wrongful convictions.

It’s rather ruinous to have to prove your innocence in the US’s legal farce of a justice department. Especially disheartening when you’re supposedly innocent until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

They don’t call it the “Just Us” system without reason.

Do you think they could simply ignore the fact, that he was in jail while VJ was posting?

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:21 pm

by bentech

cant imagine a way to keep his defense from presenting the fact
the question would be how authentic is the set of information theyre presented by the prosecution at discovery

cuz besides public postings there are personal messages logs as well that were siezed when the nabbed the kid...

but again,
you don't present discovery documents until the prosecutions as made its first plea offer. you don't want to antagonize them prematurely

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:21 am

by AGD

@Oz
You already seem to be convinced, that PoM is VJ. What is it, that makes you be so sure about it?

https://www.news.com.au/technology/onli ... b8245940e9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SITTING down at the keyboard, Eileen Ormsby went looking for a stranger on the internet willing to kill someone for money.

After finding a chatroom linked to an online hitman-for-hire service on the dark web — a shadowy underbelly of the internet only accessible with special encryption software — she typed out her ominous request.

“Hi can you get rid of someone in Australia my ex-husband is abusive and is still allowed to see my kid,” she wrote.

The conversation that ensued involved negotiations about bitcoin payments and the protocol for purchasing an anonymous hitman who sits behind a mysterious and untraceable username.

These types of advertised services — internet assassins — are usually scams or sometimes even undercover law enforcement agencies. But on this particular occasion, neither party involved in the conversation were genuine in their intentions.

The person Ormsby claimed she wanted killed was already dead. She was soliciting an online hitman for purposes of research — and it wouldn’t be the last time.

The self-described writer and blogger of “all things vice” says she was “lucky” to have an insight into one of the biggest online hitman sites on the dark web, known as Besa Mafia.

While the people offering to do the contract killings are usually looking to take the money and disappear, there were plenty of “real people paying real money to this guy to have people whacked,” she told news.com.au.

“When we got in the back door of this (website) thanks to a friendly hacker in the UK, we saw all these targets of people who others wanted killed. We passed those on to the authorities who just thought we were crazy people … And then a real murder happened,” she recalled.

“The stakes were completely changed then, suddenly the FBI and everybody else were listening to us much more carefully.”

The website was a one-man operation and the owner would later implore Ormsby to stop writing about his scamming activities, claiming he was doing the world a favour by taking money from people who believed they were commissioning murder.

This episode is just one of the many sordid encounters Ormsby has during her time spending countless hours sleuthing around the darkest corners of the web.

She has gotten to know the dark web’s most unsavoury characters — even visiting some of the most notorious in real life.
Eileen Ormsby is the author of Silk Road and The Darkest Web.

Eileen Ormsby is the author of Silk Road and The Darkest Web.Source:Supplied

THE MASTERMIND IN A BANGKOK PRISON

Ormsby’s first book chronicled the rise of the internet’s first big marketplace for drugs: the infamous Silk Road.

The administrator of that website, Ross Ulbricht aka Dread Pirate Roberts, is serving more than two life sentences in a US prison for the dubious honour of being the internet’s first drug lord.

But during his trial, another shadowy figure who went by the name Variety Jones emerged. He too was allegedly responsible for the website.

“No one knew Variety Jones, no one knew he existed or anything about him during the Silk Road days until the trial and then all of a sudden here’s these transcripts between Dread Pirate Roberts and this guy who turned out to be this amazing kind of mentor, and one of the biggest brains behind Silk Road,” Ormsby said.

His real name is Roger Clark and Ormsby went to visit the Svengali-type figure while he was locked up in a Thai prison before he was extradited to the US earlier this month.

For a man who allegedly encouraged Ulbricht to use violence to maintain his drug empire and who used to sign off his dark web posts with the message; “The last thing you f***ing want is my undivided attention,” he was “very friendly” during her visits.

“It was intimidating in that you know from past what he is capable of. He’s got a reputation for being incredibly vindictive,” Ormsby said.

While he wouldn’t talk about his alleged role in Silk Road, it was fitting that she would meet the man who is alleged to have played such a vital role in the rise of the website that became synonymous with the dark web.

“I was very much there from the beginning of Silk Road. I was a part of the community all the way through the growth,” she said. “It was such a fascinating microcosm of what the world might look like in a post-prohibition era.”

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:46 pm

by OzFreelancer

AGD wrote:@Oz
You already seem to be convinced, that PoM is VJ. What is it, that makes you be so sure about it?

https://www.news.com.au/technology/onli ... b8245940e9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SITTING down at the keyboard, Eileen Ormsby went looking for a stranger on the internet willing to kill someone for money.

After finding a chatroom linked to an online hitman-for-hire service on the dark web — a shadowy underbelly of the internet only accessible with special encryption software — she typed out her ominous request.

“Hi can you get rid of someone in Australia my ex-husband is abusive and is still allowed to see my kid,” she wrote.

The conversation that ensued involved negotiations about bitcoin payments and the protocol for purchasing an anonymous hitman who sits behind a mysterious and untraceable username.

These types of advertised services — internet assassins — are usually scams or sometimes even undercover law enforcement agencies. But on this particular occasion, neither party involved in the conversation were genuine in their intentions.

The person Ormsby claimed she wanted killed was already dead. She was soliciting an online hitman for purposes of research — and it wouldn’t be the last time.

The self-described writer and blogger of “all things vice” says she was “lucky” to have an insight into one of the biggest online hitman sites on the dark web, known as Besa Mafia.

While the people offering to do the contract killings are usually looking to take the money and disappear, there were plenty of “real people paying real money to this guy to have people whacked,” she told news.com.au.

“When we got in the back door of this (website) thanks to a friendly hacker in the UK, we saw all these targets of people who others wanted killed. We passed those on to the authorities who just thought we were crazy people … And then a real murder happened,” she recalled.

“The stakes were completely changed then, suddenly the FBI and everybody else were listening to us much more carefully.”

The website was a one-man operation and the owner would later implore Ormsby to stop writing about his scamming activities, claiming he was doing the world a favour by taking money from people who believed they were commissioning murder.

This episode is just one of the many sordid encounters Ormsby has during her time spending countless hours sleuthing around the darkest corners of the web.

She has gotten to know the dark web’s most unsavoury characters — even visiting some of the most notorious in real life.
Eileen Ormsby is the author of Silk Road and The Darkest Web.

Eileen Ormsby is the author of Silk Road and The Darkest Web.Source:Supplied

THE MASTERMIND IN A BANGKOK PRISON

Ormsby’s first book chronicled the rise of the internet’s first big marketplace for drugs: the infamous Silk Road.

The administrator of that website, Ross Ulbricht aka Dread Pirate Roberts, is serving more than two life sentences in a US prison for the dubious honour of being the internet’s first drug lord.

But during his trial, another shadowy figure who went by the name Variety Jones emerged. He too was allegedly responsible for the website.

“No one knew Variety Jones, no one knew he existed or anything about him during the Silk Road days until the trial and then all of a sudden here’s these transcripts between Dread Pirate Roberts and this guy who turned out to be this amazing kind of mentor, and one of the biggest brains behind Silk Road,” Ormsby said.

His real name is Roger Clark and Ormsby went to visit the Svengali-type figure while he was locked up in a Thai prison before he was extradited to the US earlier this month.

For a man who allegedly encouraged Ulbricht to use violence to maintain his drug empire and who used to sign off his dark web posts with the message; “The last thing you f***ing want is my undivided attention,” he was “very friendly” during her visits.

“It was intimidating in that you know from past what he is capable of. He’s got a reputation for being incredibly vindictive,” Ormsby said.

While he wouldn’t talk about his alleged role in Silk Road, it was fitting that she would meet the man who is alleged to have played such a vital role in the rise of the website that became synonymous with the dark web.

“I was very much there from the beginning of Silk Road. I was a part of the community all the way through the growth,” she said. “It was such a fascinating microcosm of what the world might look like in a post-prohibition era.”

I've never actually said that. You seem to be mixing up my quotes with the journalist's words.
The same article also suggests that I think some murder-for-hire sites are genuine

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:11 pm

by bentech

quick recap

pom knew the writing was on the wall regarding prosecution of himself when he showed up back here to spin his yarn

what was the point of that?

legal obstruction of 'justice'?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:00 am

by Munchy

that is a good question... and the answer that has always seemed to fit well in my opinion, is that he knew they couldn't pin VJ on him, because he's not, so he could either choose to deny it, in which case they might be more likely to pursue that possibility and ID the real VJ, or he could choose not to deny it, while 'spinning his yarn' for the purpose of misdirection, letting them go on mistakenly targeting him as VJ, while giving the real VJ some extra measure of protection, which would be the most noble option, especially as a friend.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:16 am

by AGD

OzFreelancer wrote:
AGD wrote:@Oz
You already seem to be convinced, that PoM is VJ. What is it, that makes you be so sure about it?

https://www.news.com.au/technology/onli ... b8245940e9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SITTING down at the keyboard, Eileen Ormsby went looking for a stranger on the internet willing to kill someone for money.

After finding a chatroom linked to an online hitman-for-hire service on the dark web — a shadowy underbelly of the internet only accessible with special encryption software — she typed out her ominous request.

“Hi can you get rid of someone in Australia my ex-husband is abusive and is still allowed to see my kid,” she wrote.

The conversation that ensued involved negotiations about bitcoin payments and the protocol for purchasing an anonymous hitman who sits behind a mysterious and untraceable username.

These types of advertised services — internet assassins — are usually scams or sometimes even undercover law enforcement agencies. But on this particular occasion, neither party involved in the conversation were genuine in their intentions.

The person Ormsby claimed she wanted killed was already dead. She was soliciting an online hitman for purposes of research — and it wouldn’t be the last time.

The self-described writer and blogger of “all things vice” says she was “lucky” to have an insight into one of the biggest online hitman sites on the dark web, known as Besa Mafia.

While the people offering to do the contract killings are usually looking to take the money and disappear, there were plenty of “real people paying real money to this guy to have people whacked,” she told news.com.au.

“When we got in the back door of this (website) thanks to a friendly hacker in the UK, we saw all these targets of people who others wanted killed. We passed those on to the authorities who just thought we were crazy people … And then a real murder happened,” she recalled.

“The stakes were completely changed then, suddenly the FBI and everybody else were listening to us much more carefully.”

The website was a one-man operation and the owner would later implore Ormsby to stop writing about his scamming activities, claiming he was doing the world a favour by taking money from people who believed they were commissioning murder.

This episode is just one of the many sordid encounters Ormsby has during her time spending countless hours sleuthing around the darkest corners of the web.

She has gotten to know the dark web’s most unsavoury characters — even visiting some of the most notorious in real life.
Eileen Ormsby is the author of Silk Road and The Darkest Web.

Eileen Ormsby is the author of Silk Road and The Darkest Web.Source:Supplied

THE MASTERMIND IN A BANGKOK PRISON

Ormsby’s first book chronicled the rise of the internet’s first big marketplace for drugs: the infamous Silk Road.

The administrator of that website, Ross Ulbricht aka Dread Pirate Roberts, is serving more than two life sentences in a US prison for the dubious honour of being the internet’s first drug lord.

But during his trial, another shadowy figure who went by the name Variety Jones emerged. He too was allegedly responsible for the website.

“No one knew Variety Jones, no one knew he existed or anything about him during the Silk Road days until the trial and then all of a sudden here’s these transcripts between Dread Pirate Roberts and this guy who turned out to be this amazing kind of mentor, and one of the biggest brains behind Silk Road,” Ormsby said.

His real name is Roger Clark and Ormsby went to visit the Svengali-type figure while he was locked up in a Thai prison before he was extradited to the US earlier this month.

For a man who allegedly encouraged Ulbricht to use violence to maintain his drug empire and who used to sign off his dark web posts with the message; “The last thing you f***ing want is my undivided attention,” he was “very friendly” during her visits.

“It was intimidating in that you know from past what he is capable of. He’s got a reputation for being incredibly vindictive,” Ormsby said.

While he wouldn’t talk about his alleged role in Silk Road, it was fitting that she would meet the man who is alleged to have played such a vital role in the rise of the website that became synonymous with the dark web.

“I was very much there from the beginning of Silk Road. I was a part of the community all the way through the growth,” she said. “It was such a fascinating microcosm of what the world might look like in a post-prohibition era.”
I've never actually said that. You seem to be mixing up my quotes with the journalist's words.
The same article also suggests that I think some murder-for-hire sites are genuine

Journalists... huh?

legal obstruction of 'justice'?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:11 am

by AGD

Munchy wrote:that is a good question... and the answer that has always seemed to fit well in my opinion, is that he knew they couldn't pin VJ on him, because he's not, so he could either choose to deny it, in which case they might be more likely to pursue that possibility and ID the real VJ, or he could choose not to deny it, while 'spinning his yarn' for the purpose of misdirection, letting them go on mistakenly targeting him as VJ, while giving the real VJ some extra measure of protection, which would be the most noble option, especially as a friend.

The idea is good, but wouldn't he be in a better financial situation than he actually is? He also knows, that the truth is not always enough to avoid a sentence, so would he really risk double life for his friend, who actually was spinning murder plots and who has even put breadcrumbs to associate VJ to him in the first place? I am not 100% convinced. The appointed reward must have been an outrageous amount of Bitcoins.
The next problem would be this: If he was helping the real VJ, he would risk to end up in jail for the rest of his life anyway. Makes no sense to do that.

There is still a possibility, that Pom was dumb enough to use Variety Jones and shabang and that he was even more idiotic to send his real passport scan (which some of the SR guys obv. really did) and on top to mention parts of his own RL backstory at a time when he was so much incriminated, that he would risk a very long sentence if getting caught. But the top of thickness is to come back years later and tell LE to come and get him.

Some thoughts:

PoM=VJ (This is whats implicated in the chat logs)
Assuming PoM was the one who registered the two nicks 'Variety Jones' and 'shabang' at Silk Road and he was the one who chatted with Ross (because of the obvious PoM writing style), then he needed help from a coder (hacker) friend (because of the bitcoind vulnerability, which was the entry point to get Russes trust) : ~s~, so it's more like
PoM+(~s~)=VJ
This would mean, that PoM and ~s~ were using the Nick of PoM's mentor (don't forget, that VJ was the mentor of both, PoM and Ross U. and both used almost identical terms to describe VJs mentor qualities) in an obv. illegal operation. This would put his mentor on the spot and it makes no sense to do that. They could have used any other nick to wipe out any connection to the past, so at the time they (or he) registered both nicks, they probably never thought of coming far as beeing a mentor of the Silk Road admin and later probably incriminating themselves up to a point of murder plots?

Nope. If you read the chats, it is more than obvious, that this was a planned operation from the day, the nicks were registered.
It reads pretty much like somebody had a plan to take control of the biggest underground market, make a lot of money and flee. In that case, and IF PoM (and 's') were the ones with the take over plan, then they would have certainly used other nicks from the start. Noone could be that dumb to start a risky operation by using nicks that would help LE to find them. They wouldn't be sending the passport scan and they wouldn't mention PoM in chats (esp at the time of the chat they were already involved in this murder for hire story, which makes it a 'serious' crime)

So to me it's more like.

VJ≠PoM

This would mean, that somebody who knew PoM's backstory, has a funny plan and uses PoM as the pawn sacrifice.
He registers PoM associated nicks, sends a password scan (not sure where he could get this one - maybe PoM knows) and poses as PoM in the chat with Ross, knowing that when his plan succeeds and he would flee, he would have put enough breadcrumbs that lead to Thomas instead of himself. He probably didn't know, that PoM was in jail at that time.
When PoM finds out, that everyone is thinking that he is the mentor of the admin of the biggest drug website at that time, his ego goes 'yessssss' and he gives the people what they want. Strange, but maybe possible. He knows that he was framed by somebody else and maybe he wants to find out who it is. Maybe the diamond story is true.
Edit: The problem here is, that PoM wouldn't stay 2.5 + ys in prison, knowing he had just to present his 100% proof of innocence to get out of this. Unless he is out for a financial gain - maybe in form of a compensation or maybe the diamond story is true and his and maybe others peoples lifes are in danger, because of an ominous Bitcoin wallet, which probably doesn't even exists.

Much more consistent, than the other version...

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:24 pm

by smokebreaks

Or perhaps, as with his attempts to take over GN LTD proved, he’s not quite as smart as he was fond of portraying himself as.

I thought he was an interesting guy when I met him. I also believed he was full of shit but let me elaborate on that a bit later.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:27 pm

by bentech

his actions her speak of playing a very long game against incredible odds

his inability to raise the 6k that would have got him out of the Asian lockup speak to either not being the recipient of the funds the silk road funneled to the accused

or that he's playing the gambit of a lifetime...

a positions few ever have the chance to pass or proceed on

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:15 pm

by Munchy

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:24 am

by smokebreaks

Well next comes the story that none of you came to read but, since you're here to read anyhow, I guess now's the time to spit it.

Much like the furry mongrel prose, there's soon to be some twists and turns that happen, so pull up the

and some

because some really fucking crazy shit will be revealed as I wax nostalgic and reflect on my sweet time here in the cannabis world.

Hey, that's a good name for a website... wish I had thought of that.

It was a cold day in January 2006, some of you may recall when a website we used to frequent just disappeared. It seemed the site was in the midst of an upgrade and many folks were ignorant that the operator was apprehended by the RMCP as part of an international project that took interest in the transactions of a certain cannabis seed merchant, who had also happened to be running multiple business sites to sell his wares. Wares which he had mistakenly thought were legal to trade in, from the confines of the country he was residing. Which ironically now may be reversing his conviction as the government considers expunging the criminal records of many marijuana perpetrators.

Wonder if he'll get the gold bars, the Harley, or the RX-7 back?

Considering his claims as his defense were that he was paying his taxes on his sales and revenue, and doing what he thought to be a legitimate business, he really shouldn't have had any fears of what was coming. Considering how well he thought he was connected, and was as far as he knew, playing by the rules. He ought to be entitled but that's not what this story is going to be about.

One day, there was an article that talked about one of the guy's ventures, this website called Overgrow many of you were quite familiar with it. As many of you know, a story mentioning it had appeared in the pages of Maxim but another story was ferreted out of the netherworld, which had also appeared in many alternative newspapers via a newsfeed that I subscribed to when I was interested in beginning an alternative media outlet.

*FULL DISCLOSURE: that's kind of what I had envisioned with this site, as it was always supposed to be an experiment in free speech, and all, but too much negativity came along with the disruption of the community after PG was "stolen" after Gadabout's business partner had supposedly "stolen" the server. Though that never actually happened, did it Gad? And the truth of the matter is far worse than Gad had ever shared. It's his story not mine, so I'm not about to reveal it.

**FLASHBACK** Many, many years ago now I used to work for an independent news publisher. When I graduated college I did so with a degree that had served me little purposes, since I had been found sidelined from my chosen career field due to a no-compete agreement that I foolishly signed whilst under the employ of a dickhead at an early age. My fiancé, at the time, and I were just starting out living together had a string of bad luck as I was fresh from college without the ability to earn a living using my degree and her position was just ended due to lack of funding for the academia world which employed her.

I had to find something to do to support myself and my soon to be bride, so I had taken a position as a managing editor at a local newspaper.

Everything was going great until it was time for my wedding, but three days before we're set to depart the country, the company I was employed by is sold to one of the largest publishing houses in the world.

Shit.

Okay, so the guy I thought was the best boss in the world, the best that one could have ever had, had the rug pulled out from under me.

Fuck. As the owner decided he was going to sell out to the largest news publishing house in the world today I knew leaving now wasn't the best idea, but the plans were made and even though I knew a transition was happening I thought fuck it, I'll just apply to remain the publisher and we'll see how it goes.

So I submitted my resume to the corporate overlords, inquiring if I should indeed postpone my departure and was told I'd be considered and we would discuss further when I returned home from my wedding.

Cool deal man, see you in a week or 10 days or so.

Immediate upon my return, I get summoned to the conference room where the company's VP of Business Development states they had a few questions they'd like answers to. As they sat around the conference table with their own business lawyer people on one side, and just me on the other the operation head sent to oversee the acquisition had a few questions about a misrepresented balance sheet, which they hadn't any idea of, before they realized that when they bought what they thought was a newspaper, was really more of a savings and loan.

After explaining that many of the paper's advertisers were actively trading services and inventory to cover the cost of their ads, much of the money showed on the books as "assets" were actually intangible items like $5,000 of furniture or, in one case a loan made to an employee to pay for the down payment on a home, or custom tailored suits for the sales force, or automobile repairs and related services after that conversation, I was told that I was welcome to stay on board, at my present salary and with benefits, but I was going to have to work my way up through the chains of their corporate hierarchy in order to regain my position.

They had also stipulated that as a condition that if I wished to retain employment, I had to sign another no-compete agreement this time as an added bonus, the side business that my new wife and I had operated for >2 years prior to my employment in the publishing field, that would need to be dissolved as well.

Well, as you all know I might be a lot of things, but bashful isn't one, so I had kindly said so long, turned in my keys and walked out the door to start focusing on what I wasn't in any way, manner, nor form prepared to do, but thus began my own publication.

A publication which after only 4 issues was perceived as such a threat to a major conglomerate publishing company, they had their lawyers draft a cease and desist letter to me, and then issue a breach of contract suit against my former employer for failure to ensure that they had a smooth transaction.

This was soon to become a cluster fuck of epic proportions. The best boss in the world, now blamed me for his troubles, but I wasn't the one who decided to run a bank, I said fuck you to him too.

Since the wife's side business also did a little marketing services, and I needed to earn a living I had maintained working relationships with some of the better staff members and the profitable clients that the world's largest publisher of daily newspapers had thought they had bought, they were more than a little pissed off.

I had also maintained a very good working relationship with the sales director of the publications.

This guy, let's call him "Skippy." Skippy was an older gentleman who in addition to being a very well "connected" and an astute businessman, who had also previously been the publisher of a periodical based out of Tampa, Florida that was eventually purchased by an arm of another major media conglomerate that had made a lot of their money by absorbing other media companies and sells something upwards of a couple million of weekly gossip scandal sheets in the local supermarkets.

The entity that bought his company ultimately had been established way back about 1926 and had purchased Skippy's publication some years before. He was pretty familiar with them and once the dust had settled, he still had directed some of his clients of his my way and as let go shortly thereafter as were many of the people who were still retained by the entity I told to get fucked. They eventually issued an edict to the their remaining employees that if they were to assist me any further they would be terminated immediately.

Since I had refused to sign their agreement, having walked away, effectively there was nothing they could do to prevent me from providing the same services that they did, at a far more cost advantageous rate. But like PoM, I was either over confident, or to be quite honest, I was a bit naive as to level of corruption this nation has endured.

What I know now, could fill a tome, longer than Tolstoy’s War and Peace.

While actively searching for a job during the pre-Clinton job boom, it was alleged that I had effectively been operating a business, and had been doing so while I was filing a state unemployment claim, to which the department of workforce development decided there was sufficient grounds to investigate and enough evidence to make jump me through a ton of hoops and possibly issue some fraud charges.

Whoa.

Yeah, I guess I needed to find a different job and fast. Fortunately, I was at the point were I could easily find some type of other employment without too much difficulty but I had never given up on the dream to one day start my own publication again that would allow me to reap the rewards of bettering a community and turning a decent buck. Think Michael Moore. Thank Michael Moore and a fucking economics professor I hated that made us watch Roger and Me because it further his liberal bent.

At an early age I had learned that corporate world had no loyalty to you, and as an adult I maintained you owe no loyalty to them.

You can thank Mitt Romney's father for that one.

Since I had never really shaken the idea of owning my own publication, I continued to maintain a subscription to the news feed content providing service that fuels much of the syndicated columns you see in independently owned alternative publications.

One day, I had seen this story pop up about the nurturing community of gardening aficionados that was based on many of the helpful people on the site I was actively arguing / debating with about the wars of conquest on.

While taking one of my infamous smoke breaks, (that's where the name comes from) I came across this ben ttech thread about how the Nazi's never really went away. Boy was he right on the money there, and I will never forget that I was actually kind of surprised that someone had the foresight and balls to call it like it is.

But the bowl was cashed and it was time to get back to my day, I started scrolling through the feed for what the topic du jour was, I stumbled across this link, telling the world about the hidden world of forbidden knowledge for the world's largest cultivation network.

When I read this article, I sent a private message to the operator of the site telling him that his day was about to come. He seemed nonchalant about it and basically said that he didn't foresee any troubles.

A couple weeks later, all hell breaks loose, RC is popped and stories swirled over at the Sewer Rat's lair of PG, where people, myself included tried to piece together what the fuck just happened when up popped a nefarious creature with incredible passion for grandiose verbosity.

Enter a guy who could whip up a tale of epic proportion and craft fiction more intriguing than any recent best selling spy novel. In fact, this cretin with the rapier wit had always fancied himself a wordsmith, and often so began his tales on how the guy who was currently in a world of uncertain fate, was not the rightful owner of the world's greatest resource for the horticultural hobbyist.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:55 pm

by EthicalGrower

smokebreaks wrote:And the truth of the matter is far worse than Gad had ever shared. It's his story not mine, so I'm not about to reveal it.

You're a clown smokes. If you knew anything beyond public knowledge you would have immediately shared it... To insinuate otherwise is just plain dishonest. Still that would have been a more interesting story than this pathetic, narcissistic attempt to insert yourself into a timeline you obviously had nothing to do with and know nothing about.

Fuckin' newbs

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:43 pm

by smokebreaks

EthicalGrower wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:And the truth of the matter is far worse than Gad had ever shared. It's his story not mine, so I'm not about to reveal it.
You're a clown smokes. If you knew anything beyond public knowledge you would have immediately shared it... To insinuate otherwise is just plain dishonest. Still that would have been a more interesting story than this pathetic, narcissistic attempt to insert yourself into a timeline you obviously had nothing to do with and know nothing about.

Fuckin' newbs

Well well well look what popped out of the sewer.

It is either the shrimp lied to me, or you’re full of shit.

And I know Prawns are carnivorous.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:32 pm

by bentech

kinda cute though him still caring what we think...

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:58 pm

by Lurksin

smokebreaks wrote:
EthicalGrower wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:And the truth of the matter is far worse than Gad had ever shared. It's his story not mine, so I'm not about to reveal it.
You're a clown smokes. If you knew anything beyond public knowledge you would have immediately shared it... To insinuate otherwise is just plain dishonest. Still that would have been a more interesting story than this pathetic, narcissistic attempt to insert yourself into a timeline you obviously had nothing to do with and know nothing about.

Fuckin' newbs
Well well well look what popped out of the sewer.

It is either the shrimp lied to me, or you’re full of shit.

And I know Prawns are carnivorous.

Sounds kinda like a two headed coin toss, heads I win, tails you lose.

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussio ... eir-head-s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; prawns-have-have-their-shit-stored-in-their-head-s occasionally some of spills out I hear.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:22 am

by smokebreaks

Isn’t that special. The Sewer Rat goes on to register a new account simply to call Prawn a shithead.

Had you just stayed down in the sewer you’d have been much wiser.

You think everything has to be about you and you’ve the audacity to claim I’m narccistic?

My story has absolutely nothing to do with you, Gad.

Like I said previously, it’s your story to tell, not mine. so maybe you could or should start your own thread about it ‘cuz brother don’t no one give two shits about your sorry ass and the sob story about your stolen server.

Now I’ve got a lot of things to do over the next few days, so when exactly I’ll have time to get back to my story I can’t say with laser like precision. However, rest assured. I will get back to it. When I do, you, and whomever else bothers to read it is going to be left scratching their heads wondering just how we got to such a state with the fucking crooked people at CMU.

Carnagie Melon University. Stock manipulation, fraud that makes Bernie Madoff look like a petty criminal. Remember that fucker owned Nasdaq.

How entities use their US DoD contracts to enrich themselves I’m damn sure I’ve got quite a bit more to say, and not a fucking bit of it has anything to do with you, Mr. I have to be the center of attention.

When I’m done, you’re gonna be sitting there like a temper tantrum throwing child in a soiled diaper.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:12 am

by Lurksin

Ah. Isn't. That. Special.
What makes you think I registered a new handle to call the shrimp a shithead? Though an avatar of a clown shithead would have been a nice touch.
Too busy to finish your story? Imagine that, now who does that remind me of.
Stale hot-air popped popcorn.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:33 am

by smokebreaks

Yes. I am too busy. I have a broken printer that I’ve just sunk $1000 into that is currently in pieces and have a tech coming yet today when he’s done celebrating a state away on the holiday.

Forgive me, I have other shit I’m working on.

Like fighting against tariffs on paper imports from Canada while the US Paper Mills have all but consolidated towns and manufacturers to the point of inoperability in the US.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:54 am

by Lurksin

Perhaps all you need is a cable for that printer

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:34 am

by smokebreaks

Lurksin wrote:Perhaps all you need is a cable for that printer

Good deduction. Actually it is two, they are 21 pin ribbon cables that connect to one of the four print heads which I had just replaced on Saturday. Tuesday I printed and had a head strike which may have jostled it from the slider board. It’s part of a 64” tarpaulins printer.

While you wait and hang on my every word chew on this:

https://www.cmu.edu/cmnews/011205/011205_directors.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I’ll be back later, it’s a holiday and I have prior engagements.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:50 am

by EthicalGrower

smokebreaks wrote: Well well well look what popped out of the sewer.

It is either the shrimp lied to me, or you’re full of shit.

And I know Prawns are carnivorous.

You're a fraud in every sense of the word Smokes. Your post above insinuates that you possess some inside tribal knowledge about me. When in fact, all you have is hearsay from a scorned sycophant with no high-level knowledge beyond what's already in the public domain.

smokebreaks wrote:Much like the furry mongrel prose, there's soon to be some twists and turns that happen, so pull up the and some because some really fucking crazy shit will be revealed as I wax nostalgic and reflect on my sweet time here in the cannabis world.

Hey, that's a good name for a website... wish I had thought of that.

Well it would be more original than myplanetganja.com

I read your post... twice even. Where's the "fucking crazy shit"? I see is twenty-some paragraphs of absolutely nothing interspersed with an outsider's revisionist take on past events.

Sums you, your post and this all up nicely no?

smokebreaks wrote:Isn’t that special. The Sewer Rat goes on to register a new account simply to call Prawn a shithead.

Had you just stayed down in the sewer you’d have been much wiser.

You think everything has to be about you and you’ve the audacity to claim I’m narccistic?

My story has absolutely nothing to do with you, Gad.

Like I said previously, it’s your story to tell, not mine. so maybe you could or should start your own thread about it ‘cuz brother don’t no one give two shits about your sorry ass and the sob story about your stolen server.

Now I’ve got a lot of things to do over the next few days, so when exactly I’ll have time to get back to my story I can’t say with laser like precision.

You have to admit it newb. It's pretty special when I devote even one second of my time addressing you.

Please... if you had a lick of past knowledge of me, you would know the last thing I would do is hide behind a disposable handle to attack prawn. Fuck that's sportin' good times right there and I leave little doubt when I'm posting.

I never said it was about me. I just took exception to the manner in which you presented yourself in this thread. Remember, you're the one who brought me into this sunshine. And quite frankly if I were to jump back in, past members would return and it certainly wouldn't take seven years to build like the sad husk you have here.

Narcissist is a pretty good choice of words and an obvious a trigger for you. You started your post with a high bar with claims of revealing crazy shit that fizzled out as quickly as you started. We a know you came onto the scene long after the pages had already been written. Congrats you read about og on maxim and some news feeds. There are many of us still kicking who were there years before the empire crumbled and can call on past experience to "wax nostalgically" instead of referring to crib sheet written by others.

You came to PG towards the end and now you host a hollow ghost of what once was for a small handful of people. You have nothing to "wax nostalgically" about and your "sweet time here in the cannabis world" was isolated to a fringe group who were are anything but mainstream or in the know. Trying to make your story more than it really was is the epitome of narcissism my friend.

You're busy over the next few days? Fuck off... That's your go to excuse. You're not PoM and everyone knows you have nothing further to add to this chapter.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:15 am

by Lurksin

Ah, the scorned sycophant

Which one would that be now? So many to choose from

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:18 am

by smokebreaks

Well, I just got out of the shower to see how Mr. Butthurt Narccist can’t get over how he failed.

Man, if you weren’t such a dick, I would’ve worked with you. But when you threaten to sue if I use even a color scheme of your site you can suck my balls.

Hell even Juice and I talk on facebook.

You guys want to move this discussion over there and out in the open?

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:47 am

by EthicalGrower

Such a dick? Now where did that come from? I think I'm a pretty swell fella.

You're much too naive to be running this shit hole... as empty as it is. You can't tell a troll handle from the real deal. I never threatened to sue anyone here. This claim is ridiculous.

facebook lol.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:18 am

by bentech

for those late to the story

during planetganja's latter days gad was a brick wall when the subject of the form of the discussion board and the publics right to it were concerned

couldnt spare a word regarding the fact these places are a public right and just because private individuals were stepping in to take up the slack our governance has created in regard didnt give them moral ownership of what their dollars had

quite a world opens up for those who recognize this

who see what harm the public suffers as its governance picks and chooses where to devote it limited ability to subsidize and prosecute

but just like the colonists who spread out over the plane taking advantage of the wefare at the time

lots of oppertunity available when the state drives the competition off into the woods

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:40 am

by smokebreaks

You maybe ought to check my user number on that copy of PG you still have.

Your story starts to fall to shit about there.

I was invited by BlkCat21 to join your sesspool after you failed to garner many users and had a membership drive poaching users from Overgrow. Sorry but I don’t owe you any explanation or do I care that Intrinsic starts a lot of socks and probably misses the old days of fun.

It was fun wasn’t it? Till you killed it. As for dealing with one little troll, dude, I have thousands and more that come every single day it seems.

I don’t much care, because you see, I’m not interested in hiding anymore.

I tried to get Joe Cox and this @OzFreelancer to delve into the story much deeper than some stoners on a website, but I see now I’m gonna have to draw the lines between the dots for you fuckers too.

I just previously posted a link to the page of the guy who started a company you might be aware of PrintCafe, who is now the top egghead at the cyber studies department of Carnagie Mellon University because I was hoping someone could maybe explain how one does $175 Million in Sales and yet sold $1.7 Billion in stock.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:05 pm

by EthicalGrower

smokebreaks wrote:You maybe ought to check my user number on that copy of PG you still have.

Your story starts to fall to shit about there.

I was invited by BlkCat21 to join your sesspool after you failed to garner many users and had a membership drive poaching users from Overgrow. Sorry but I don’t owe you any explanation or do I care that Intrinsic starts a lot of socks and probably misses the old days of fun.

I can't tell you what your userid was right now, however your first post as smokebreaks was on 08/14/06 00:44:41GMT. More than eight months after OG was closed. You wanna know what the post was about? C'mon you're dying to know.

You do owe all your guests a little critical thinking instead of being a sucker that laps up all the shit every troll account leaves behind.

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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:50 pm

by smokebreaks

Since you can’t seem to locate the user number at this time, it seems that my point has been made. Remember I didn’t register this domain until a month after you pulled the plug. Which by the way doesn’t seem to follow your narrative that I didnt show up at your site until the end. I don’t remember the number off the top of my head but I know you’re going to hold that back regardless because I think you’d have to admit it’s something like, maybe 134? If you did, you’d also have to ask yourself why i didn’t seem to care to post on your forums until after PoM arrived spinning his tales.

I don’t really care what it was, I don’t live in the past, but go ahead and further remind us all how you said the server was stolen that you do, indeed still have it.

Lying fuck.

Now that we’ve ferreted that out of the hole... I really do have other things to do.

Ta-ta for now.

<Waves>

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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:48 pm

by Munchy

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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:29 pm

by BrosGrimmGrower

12 years and this is all still going on?

Harvest in 20 days!

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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:02 am

by smokebreaks

12 years later and this shit is still going on?

Bro, I’ve only been paying the bills here for 9!

That’s still a few years longer than some other incarnations of this community, and I’ve set this up to automatically renew, so, it’ll be here until the day I’m not.

When that may be, is pretty much anyone’s guess.

Nothing is guaranteed in life except for the fact that eventually it will come to an end.

Still am quite busy so I don’t know when I’ll have time to elaborate further on my story, though I do appreciate your patience.

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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:39 pm

by BrosGrimmGrower

smokebreaks wrote:12 years later and this shit is still going on?

Bro, I’ve only been paying the bills here for 9!

That’s still a few years longer than some other incarnations of this community, and I’ve set this up to automatically renew, so, it’ll be here until the day I’m not.

When that may be, is pretty much anyone’s guess.

Nothing is guaranteed in life except for the fact that eventually it will come to an end.

Still am quite busy so I don’t know when I’ll have time to elaborate further on my story, though I do appreciate your patience.

I meant the saga of PoM. I didn't know about the SR stuff, just read all that. Fun read.

It's JJJ, by the way. Cheers, Smokes and everyone else.

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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:23 pm

by Munchy

Hi JJJ!

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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:03 pm

by bentech

well well well…

")

so we missed our first chance to bust him out,
whens the next best
and whats it going to cost?

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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:20 pm

by Jesús Malverde

<waves to JJJ> You were always the voice of reason (except when we disagreed, needless to add).

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:57 am

by Munchy

bentech wrote:well well well…

")

so we missed our first chance to bust him out,
whens the next best
and whats it going to cost?

it's too bad that an old-fashioned OG seed auction is out-of-the-question...
those were always fun and effective

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:10 pm

by Oldjoints

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... laint.html

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:35 am

by DD Ramone

There is doubt that just a few quid will be of much use to him.

To hire a top lawyer to defend him in the USA for this case I would expect that you wouldn't get any if much change out of $1 Mill.

He might have half a chance then if he could 'luck-out' like OJ Simpson.

Seriously, I don't doubt that he was involved with SR because it fits his modus operandi, to a tee.

But naturally we are all innocent until proven guilty - supposedly.

: themongrat.jpg (29.59 KiB) Viewed 5556 times

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 pm

by AGD

DD Ramone wrote:There is doubt that just a few quid will be of much use to him.

To hire a top lawyer to defend him in the USA for this case I would expect that you wouldn't get any if much change out of $1 Mill.

He might have half a chance then if he could 'luck-out' like OJ Simpson.

Seriously, I don't doubt that he was involved with SR because it fits his modus operandi, to a tee.

But naturally we are all innocent until proven guilty - supposedly.

themongrat.jpg

How do you know his 'modus operandi'?

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:44 pm

by DD Ramone

How do I know about this mongoose creature?

Living around him for a number of years, and listening to all his BS night after night down the pub or elsewhere kinda gave me more of an idea of what he was up to, or would be up to.

PoM was a cocaine dealer, consummate liar, thief, and someone that would threaten the lives of others and their families if he thought that he could make something from it.

I could go on, but why bother?

AGD wrote:
DD Ramone wrote:There is doubt that just a few quid will be of much use to him.

To hire a top lawyer to defend him in the USA for this case I would expect that you wouldn't get any if much change out of $1 Mill.

He might have half a chance then if he could 'luck-out' like OJ Simpson.

Seriously, I don't doubt that he was involved with SR because it fits his modus operandi, to a tee.

But naturally we are all innocent until proven guilty - supposedly.

themongrat.jpg
How do you know his 'modus operandi'?

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:33 pm

by smokebreaks

DD Ramone wrote:How do I know about this mongoose creature?

Living around him for a number of years, and listening to all his BS night after night down the pub or elsewhere kinda gave me more of an idea of what he was up to, or would be up to.

PoM was a cocaine dealer, consummate liar, thief, and someone that would threaten the lives of others and their families if he thought that he could make something from it.

I could go on, but why bother?

AGD wrote:
DD Ramone wrote:There is doubt that just a few quid will be of much use to him.

To hire a top lawyer to defend him in the USA for this case I would expect that you wouldn't get any if much change out of $1 Mill.

He might have half a chance then if he could 'luck-out' like OJ Simpson.

Seriously, I don't doubt that he was involved with SR because it fits his modus operandi, to a tee.

But naturally we are all innocent until proven guilty - supposedly.

themongrat.jpg
How do you know his 'modus operandi'?

I was just gonna say that I know the answer to that one.

But then I just got a pop up message via email :

This is a system generated message informing you that the above-named person is a federal prisoner who seeks to add you to his/her contact list for exchanging electronic messages ...

You can ACCEPT this prisoner's request or BLOCK this individual or all federal prisoners from contacting you via electronic messaging at ....

Looks like I'm gonna have to clear some time from my schedule.

What a fucking crazy world.

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:47 pm

by bentech

mabe a book list now that hes got a chance to hold onto some things?

what city/state facility is he being held in again?

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:24 am

by smokebreaks

bentech wrote:mabe a book list now that hes got a chance to hold onto some things?

what city/state facility is he being held in again?

1
Name: ROGER THOMAS CLARK
Register Number: 85815-054
Age: 56
Race: White
Sex: Male
Release Date: UNKNOWN
Located At: MDC Brooklyn

INMATE NAME & REGISTER NUMBER
MDC BROOKLYN
METROPOLITAN DETENTION CENTER
P.O. BOX 329002
BROOKLYN, NY 11232

You can write to him, but your correspondence will be read before he gets it.

The request to allow emails came with that explicit warning.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:13 am

by AGD

DD Ramone wrote:How do I know about this mongoose creature?

Living around him for a number of years, and listening to all his BS night after night down the pub or elsewhere kinda gave me more of an idea of what he was up to, or would be up to.

PoM was a cocaine dealer, consummate liar, thief, and someone that would threaten the lives of others and their families if he thought that he could make something from it.

I could go on, but why bother?

Do you mean, you know his 'modus operandi' good enough to copy it?

Edit: Wow. Beeing so close to him in a pub even would've been easy for you to copy his passport.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:03 am

by DD Ramone

Having not seen him since around 2008, but having relatively close contact with him for years prior to that, I do know what I'm talking about here.

You seem to be confused as to what 'modus operandi' actually means, so I'll help you out here>

modus operandi

ˌməʊdəs ɒpəˈrandiː,ˌməʊdəs ɒpəˈrandʌɪ/Submit
noun
a particular way or method of doing something.
"every killer has his own special modus operandi"
synonyms: method of working, method, way, MO, manner, technique, style, procedure, approach, course of action, plan of action, methodology, mode, fashion, process, means, strategy, plan, formula, recipe, practice; rarepraxis
the way in which something operates or works.
"THC has a quite precise modus operandi that taps into a specific brain function"

What that has to do with someone's passport, I don't quite make the connection.
As for copying what he has managed to achieve within his own life (looking at life in jail without the possibility of parole), that would be sheer folly, and I would definitely not recommend it.

AGD wrote:
DD Ramone wrote:How do I know about this mongoose creature?

Living around him for a number of years, and listening to all his BS night after night down the pub or elsewhere kinda gave me more of an idea of what he was up to, or would be up to.

PoM was a cocaine dealer, consummate liar, thief, and someone that would threaten the lives of others and their families if he thought that he could make something from it.

I could go on, but why bother?

Do you mean, you know his 'modus operandi' good enough to copy it?

Edit: Wow. Beeing so close to him in a pub even would've been easy for you to copy his passport.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:34 am

by AGD

DD Ramone wrote:Having not seen him since around 2008, but having relatively close contact with him for years prior to that, I do know what I'm talking about here.

You seem to be confused as to what 'modus operandi' actually means, so I'll help you out here>

modus operandi

ˌməʊdəs ɒpəˈrandiː,ˌməʊdəs ɒpəˈrandʌɪ/Submit
noun
a particular way or method of doing something.
"every killer has his own special modus operandi"
synonyms: method of working, method, way, MO, manner, technique, style, procedure, approach, course of action, plan of action, methodology, mode, fashion, process, means, strategy, plan, formula, recipe, practice; rarepraxis
the way in which something operates or works.
"THC has a quite precise modus operandi that taps into a specific brain function"

What that has to do with someone's passport, I don't quite make the connection.
As for copying what he has managed to achieve within his own life (looking at life in jail without the possibility of parole), that would be sheer folly, and I would definitely not recommend it.

You are either not very smart, or you are just playing the idiot role, but I'll try to explain:

If PoM proves, that he was in jail at a time, where he is accused of having certain chats with Mr Ulbricht, a US 3 letter agency could then look for possible copy cats (If PoM is not VJ, then the suspect of beeing VJ is still unknown). This could include you, who just admitted you had very close contact to Thomas and you obv. hate him, which creates a motive.
You could have copied his passport at one of your pub drinking sessions with him using your smartphone with the plan to use it later to frame him for a crime, where you act as PoM. This would also explain why you are mentioning, how sure you are that PoM was VJ.

Anybody with close contact to Thomas Clark could have done all this. If he is innocent, he might even know who the copy cat is...

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:00 am

by smokebreaks

For whatever reason you’d like.

I can assure you that DD Ramone is not pretending to be the Plural of Mongoose.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:51 am

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:For whatever reason you’d like.

I can assure you that DD Ramone is not pretending to be the Plural of Mongoose.

The point is, that anyone with some closer personal contacts to PoM could've copied his passport and his writing style to frame him for a crime he didn't commit.
IF he was proven guilty of being VJ on Silk Road, which includes agreeing to order hits on people (which he didn't even know and without any proof), I'd be happy to see him rot in jail for the rest of his life, but until that happens I will believe that he has been framed by somebody else.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:03 pm

by AGD

PoM has sent me this, when I asked him about the murder for hire thing:

I didn't know Mitchell and Webb until that day, so I can only speak of him as a good story teller with a as good sense of humor.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:40 pm

by DD Ramone

Oh, I see now what you are trying to get at, and yes I am not very bright so bear with me.

1. Access to the internet is very possible in UK jails, in fact its rife throughout the prison system <google it>, I did leave a link for you in a previous post about that. PoM was in jail around 2011'ish for a few months from what info I received from Nicky, and if he was in contact/working on SR at that time I wouldn't know. I only became aware that SR existed when PoM started posting about it here to tell you the truth.

2. PoM was always very secretive about his full name and I only ever referred to him as 'Mongoose' although I was told by him that his real name was Tom Clark when I asked. I never actually saw his passport and only became aware of his full name when it was disclosed thru various legal trials he was involved in over 10 years ago.

3. Hate doesn't register with me particularly in regards to PoM, although I do have good reason to dislike him since he has made violent threats to some of my good friends in the past if they didn't acquiesce to his plans based around making lots of money from other peoples work/business by using blackmail and other threats to inform LE if they didn't concede to his wishes.

4. If I did have anything to do with what you insinuate, then I surely wouldn't be posting here would I? Although I'm not so bright, I am not completely stupid.

I have no doubt that PoM was involved with SR since it seems like it was the culmination of much which he spoke about doing on several occasions which I can remember, and it looks like multiple alphabet agencies are certain of it too, or they wouldn't have gone thru all the trouble to get him arrested and out of Thailand to face trial in the USA.

AGD wrote:
DD Ramone wrote:Having not seen him since around 2008, but having relatively close contact with him for years prior to that, I do know what I'm talking about here.

You seem to be confused as to what 'modus operandi' actually means, so I'll help you out here>

modus operandi

ˌməʊdəs ɒpəˈrandiː,ˌməʊdəs ɒpəˈrandʌɪ/Submit
noun
a particular way or method of doing something.
"every killer has his own special modus operandi"
synonyms: method of working, method, way, MO, manner, technique, style, procedure, approach, course of action, plan of action, methodology, mode, fashion, process, means, strategy, plan, formula, recipe, practice; rarepraxis
the way in which something operates or works.
"THC has a quite precise modus operandi that taps into a specific brain function"

What that has to do with someone's passport, I don't quite make the connection.
As for copying what he has managed to achieve within his own life (looking at life in jail without the possibility of parole), that would be sheer folly, and I would definitely not recommend it.

You are either not very smart, or you are just playing the idiot role, but I'll try to explain:

If PoM proves, that he was in jail at a time, where he is accused of having certain chats with Mr Ulbricht, a US 3 letter agency could then look for possible copy cats (If PoM is not VJ, then the suspect of beeing VJ is still unknown). This could include you, who just admitted you had very close contact to Thomas and you obv. hate him, which creates a motive.
You could have copied his passport at one of your pub drinking sessions with him using your smartphone with the plan to use it later to frame him for a crime, where you act as PoM. This would also explain why you are mentioning, how sure you are that PoM was VJ.

Anybody with close contact to Thomas Clark could have done all this. If he is innocent, he might even know who the copy cat is...

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:08 pm

by smokebreaks

He was a good story teller for sure.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:02 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:He was a good story teller for sure.

Most certainly he was a great writer of fiction and I find it to be an utter waste of his talents that he did not pursue that profession, and instead decided to help create a website that children could access to buy lethal drugs from, some of whom died because of it.

Perhaps once he is convicted and has the rest of his life to reflect upon what he has done he will concentrate on what he is actually good at, but I am not so sure that convicted felons whilst jailed in the US can look for commercial success as an author once they are banged up for life.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:10 pm

by dill786

the talented mr ripley.

thats who pom reminds me off, who knows who he really was as a person.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:24 pm

by smokebreaks

That's true, but there's always clever ways to make it work. For example, he could sell the rights to his story, exclusively, and then use the funds / windfall towards putting it up as funds for a legal defense.

There's many moving parts right now as this train is barreling down the tracks.

Which way she's headed, I cannot say for certain?

But let's say that if them $65,000,000+ in bitcoins that the Diamond character was after really does exist out there in the ether...say on a raspberry pi operating as a cloud server, somewhere, they'd never find it...just as if a wallet was on a hidden partition of USB stick, or maybe even hidden on remote blocks on a VM server?

Thing is they do exist, they are not about to do him or Ross, any good.

Because if they were to exist, the US Government won't let you use the proceeds of a crime, especially not to pay for your defense.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:01 pm

by DD Ramone

My thoughts are that the prosecution in PoM's case have a physical witness, somebody like Mike Wattier who knew him in person in Thailand and actually worked on SR under PoM's direction, since PoM didn't have the required skills himself, so he would need some specialist to complete the complicated coding required to keep SR functioning and progressing properly.

This 'CW' (Cooperating Witness) has probably already taken a plea and got leniency on sentencing for his charges on condition that he testifies in court against PoM, and even if he has completed whatever trivial sentence bestowed upon him, he would still be liable under a 'Proffer Agreement' to testify, because if he didn't then he would go straight back to jail.

Plus there is always evidence of financial transactions to tie a case together, and even though much of what took place was with what we think are untraceable bitcoins PoM would have to have had to cash-in some of those bitcoins to live on in Thailand, and there are bitcoin atm's in Bangkok. Perhaps he was under investigation while he accessed these funds and cashed some bitcoins in Bangkok?

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:02 pm

by Jesús Malverde

AGD wrote: If PoM proves, that he was in jail at a time, where he is accused of having certain chats with Mr Ulbricht, a US 3 letter agency could then look for possible copy cats

Just doing a quick and dirty calculation from stuff recently posted here, it looks to me like he'd likely been out for at least months before any communications attributed to VJ was logged at SR. The VJ (and shabang) handles were registered June 27, 2011 and per Wikipedia the SR site was launched in February that year.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:40 pm

by OzFreelancer

smokebreaks wrote:That's true, but there's always clever ways to make it work. For example, he could sell the rights to his story, exclusively, and then use the funds / windfall towards putting it up as funds for a legal defense.

Nah, Son of Sam law is written to specifically ensure you can't do this

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:49 pm

by smokebreaks

So you're telling me that a publisher's advance couldn't be used to fund a trust to pay for a defense? Any and all rights to the Plural of Mongoose saga is going to be public domain for people at NetFlix to butcher as they will?

I dunno, I thought he was barred from profiting personally but say for example, the innocence project, could.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:52 pm

by DD Ramone

A Son of Sam law is a US English term for any law designed to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers.

Son of Sam laws are not intended to enable asset forfeiture, the seizing of assets acquired directly as a result of criminal activity. Where asset forfeiture looks to remove the profitability of crimes by taking away money and assets gained from the crime, Son of Sam laws are designed so that criminals are unable to take advantage of the notoriety of their crimes. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from deals such as book/movie biographies and paid interviews and use it to compensate the criminal's victims.

The term "Son of Sam" is derived from serial killer David Berkowitz, who used the name during his notorious murder spree in the mid-1970s New York. After his arrest in August 1977, Berkowitz's intense presence in the media led to widespread speculation that he might sell his story to a writer or filmmaker. Although Berkowitz denied wanting any kind of deal, the New York State Legislature swiftly passed preemptive legal statutes anyway, the first such "Son of Sam law" in the U.S.

In certain cases, a Son of Sam law can be extended beyond the criminals themselves to include friends, neighbors, and family members of the lawbreaker who seek to profit by telling publishers and filmmakers of their relation to the criminal. In other cases, a person may not financially benefit from the sale of a story or any other mementos pertaining to the crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam_law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:23 pm

by smokebreaks

Seems that there are still lots of moving parts in the air on this one.

This is a case of liberty and freedom and an enterprising young man who apparently stepped on the toes of those in charge in violation of UN charter.

Forgive me as I chuckle that it's only really fitting that it's an agent "Gary Alford" from the IRS that takes down DPR and PoM.

Back in 1961, at the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, see they set up control groups for each and every substance to ensure they could control production, importation, distribution, and stock levels.

It's all there for your reading: https://www.unodc.org/pdf/convention_1961_en.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mongoose should have learned from the tales of legends like Al Capone.

You gotta pay the IRS, or the tax man, he will always get ya.

Apparently even if you're living abroad and aren't even a citizen.

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:47 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:
Mongoose should have learned from the tales of legends like Al Capone.

You gotta pay the IRS, or the tax man, he will will get ya.

Apparently even if you're living abroad and aren't even a citizen.

If the money was made in the the USA and/or comprised of funds emanating from the US dollar/credit cards or any US monetary instruments then the IRS has a legal interest. Most of those bitcoins had to be purchased initially and the majority would have been bought with US $$$'s

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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:40 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote:
AGD wrote: If PoM proves, that he was in jail at a time, where he is accused of having certain chats with Mr Ulbricht, a US 3 letter agency could then look for possible copy cats
Just doing a quick and dirty calculation from stuff recently posted here, it looks to me like he'd likely been out for at least months before any communications attributed to VJ was logged at SR. The VJ (and shabang) handles were registered June 27, 2011 and per Wikipedia the SR site was launched in February that year.

I prefer to wait for PoMs defense tactic.

Remember: If he is proven guilty, some of you guys can be happy to still be alive. If he is the VJ/Cimon guy from the SR chatlogs, than he is not just a good story teller, but he is a dangerous megalomaniac, who is better off in jail.
The easy read here:
https://www.wired.com/2015/04/silk-road ... tors-idea/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The chain of conversations that leads to the attempted murder of Green begins when Inigo alerts the Dread Pirate Roberts to the Silk Road's massive bitcoin theft. Roberts responds that he's "sick to his stomach."

"This will be the first time I have had to call on my muscle," he adds. "fucking sucks."

Later the same day, Roberts chats with Nob, who he believes to be a high-volume drug dealer who can help provide that "muscle" to find Green and recover the bitcoins. Roberts, after all, kept a copy of all his employees' actual IDs to prevent the sort of betrayal he believed Green had committed, so he knows Green's Utah address.

But in that conversation with Nob, it's clear Roberts has no intention of killing Green, or even beating him up if it can be avoided.

Nob: do you want him beat up. shot, just paid a visit?
Roberts: I'd like him beat up, then forced to send the bitcoins he stole back. like sit him down at his computer and make him do it
Roberts: beat up only if he doesn't comply I guess
Roberts: not sure how these things usually go

Only later, when Roberts checks in with his advisor Cimon, does the question of murder arise. As Roberts explains how Green might have stolen the funds, Cimon interrupts. "Enough about the theft," he says. "Tell me about the organ donor."

A few minutes later, he brings up the idea of killing more explicitly. "As a side note, at what point in time do we decide we've had enough of someones shit, and terminate them?" Cimon writes. "Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mistrust, does that come close in yer opinion?"

"Terminate?" Roberts asks tentatively. "Execute?"

As the conversation continues, Roberts seems to become more convinced that murder is a real option. Cimon seems to imply that simply beating up Green might lead him to talk to the police.

Roberts: if this was the wild west, and it kinda is, you'd get hung just for stealing a horse
Cimon: Yeah, pretty much. At what point in time is that the response. We're playing with big money with serious people, and that's the world they live in.
Cimon: I sure as fuck don't want nob to try it, fuck up, and then have our laundry aired.
Roberts: unfortunately, there isn't much inbetween
Cimon: I know a guy, and he knows a guy who knows a guy, that gets things done.
Roberts: in a perfect world, we'd get the money back, plus our expenses and maybe beat him up or something
Roberts: but that's not realistic
Cimon: Nope. And it ain't the money, fuck, it's your fault, no one elses. Someday I'll tell you a long story from a guy who explained to me why situations like this are always yer own fault.
Roberts: so yea, it's a good quesiton I've been thinking about the last 24 hours
...
Cimon: But he came at us from inside, put many folks at risk, and facing a serious felony he's def the kind of guy that would seel what little he knows for a break with the Feebs

About three minutes later, Cimon messages Roberts again:

Cimon: So, you've had your time to think. You're sitting in the big chair, and you need to make a decision. Now, really, things could move fast in the future.
Roberts: I would have no problem wasting this guy
Cimon: Well ok then, I'll take care of it.

Less than half an hour later, Cimon messages Roberts one more time, as if to make sure he isn't about to change his mind. "You would have surprised me if you had balked at taking the step, of bluntly, killing Curtis for fucking up just a wee bit too badly. Also, if you had balked, I would have seriously re-considered our relationship," Cimon writes. "We're playing for keeps, this just drives it home. I'm perfectly comfortable with the decision, and I'll sleep like a lamb tonight, and every night hereafter."

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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:17 am

by smokebreaks

there are people who recall PoM’s tales of being a “hitman” with confirmed “taps” and —— many can confirm that his stories often expressed a previous affinity toward exaggerated claims of violent tendencies.

Once I recall a depiction he rubbed me the wrong way with an offhanded comment representative on an acetylene torch an a set of forceps.

Think of it in a bit of an embellishment of that scene in the movie Casino where Joe Pesci’s character “had” to pop an eyeball out of its socket from a gaming cheat, using a bench clamp. Now look what you’ve made me do. While the orbital socket was crushed and the eyeball was hanging from the retnia.

Again, it’s creative writing at its finest, but behind the best stories, as with humor, lays the bare truths.

I look forward to my future, and I hope you do yours.

For my guess, I’ll await his trial verdict before passing judgement but I’m confident that Mongoose is not going to get out of this one.

His best bet is going to be to take the plea.

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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:49 am

by Jesús Malverde

It's difficult to believe this will ever go to trial. Nearly everything conspires against it.

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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:27 am

by DD Ramone

PoM is, or was quite an intelligent person and so he may realize that with such damning and convincing evidence stacked against him, taking a plea would be the more sensible thing to do and limit the damage a trial might bring down upon him.

Then again, as I saw when he represented himself as a litigant in person during the GNLTD company trial, PoM thinks so highly of himself and his mental faculties to shine in a legal situation he may well think that he can somehow convince a jury of his innocence, because he has had much success in hoodwinking many people during his life to actually believe his litany of lies.

The plea bargain that he is offered might be worth not accepting say if they offered him a deal whereby he received 30 years jail time. In 30 years PoM would be in his mid-80's, if he were to actually live that long, which I doubt due to his excesses (tobacco/booze/narcotics), and PoM might feel that he would have nothing much to lose and all to win if he could take it to trial and manage to fool the jury enough to have the case go in his favour.

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:08 am

by AGD

DD Ramone wrote:PoM is, or was quite an intelligent person and so he may realize that with such damning and convincing evidence stacked against him, taking a plea would be the more sensible thing to do and limit the damage a trial might bring down upon him.

Then again, as I saw when he represented himself as a litigant in person during the GNLTD company trial, PoM thinks so highly of himself and his mental faculties to shine in a legal situation he may well think that he can somehow convince a jury of his innocence, because he has had much success in hoodwinking many people during his life to actually believe his litany of lies.

The plea bargain that he is offered might be worth not accepting say if they offered him a deal whereby he received 30 years jail time. In 30 years PoM would be in his mid-80's, if he were to actually live that long, which I doubt due to his excesses (tobacco/booze/narcotics), and PoM might feel that he would have nothing much to lose and all to win if he could take it to trial and manage to fool the jury enough to have the case go in his favour.

You made a point here. There is no sense in taking a deal either way, but I am sure, that he has more up his sleeve to defend himself than just a funny story, since he already pleaded not guilty anyway.

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:17 am

by DD Ramone

Based upon his track record with the court cases I know about, lets just say he didn't do very well and didn't get the result he wanted to, so I expect that it won't be much if any better for him this time around, then you never know till its all over and the fat lady sings.

If his chances were measured by some bookie/gambling institution, what would you reckon his odds to win might be?

AGD wrote:
DD Ramone wrote:PoM is, or was quite an intelligent person and so he may realize that with such damning and convincing evidence stacked against him, taking a plea would be the more sensible thing to do and limit the damage a trial might bring down upon him.

Then again, as I saw when he represented himself as a litigant in person during the GNLTD company trial, PoM thinks so highly of himself and his mental faculties to shine in a legal situation he may well think that he can somehow convince a jury of his innocence, because he has had much success in hoodwinking many people during his life to actually believe his litany of lies.

The plea bargain that he is offered might be worth not accepting say if they offered him a deal whereby he received 30 years jail time. In 30 years PoM would be in his mid-80's, if he were to actually live that long, which I doubt due to his excesses (tobacco/booze/narcotics), and PoM might feel that he would have nothing much to lose and all to win if he could take it to trial and manage to fool the jury enough to have the case go in his favour.
You made a point here. There is no sense in taking a deal either way, but I am sure, that he has more up his sleeve to defend himself than just a funny story, since he already pleaded not guilty anyway.

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:52 am

by Oldjoints

I would say his chances are pretty slim. If they didn't think they had a strong case they would have never spent the money to extradite him. At this point Pom's best chance is that they made some sort of mistake and he gets off on a technicality.
But as you said one never knows ...... stranger things have happened.

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:52 am

by AGD

You guys remember this interview with DPR by Andy Greenberg?
To me this is clearly Variety Jones talking, instead of Ross Ulbricht. What do you guys think? Could this be PoM answering the questions?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenb ... 5ab09e5732" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

edit: esp this part:

I had discovered a big vulnerability in the way he had configured the main Bitcoin wallet that was being used to process all of the deposits and withdrawals on the site. At first he ignored me, but I persisted and gained his trust by helping him secure the wallet. From there we became close friends working on Silk Road together.

...
Here's the full, slightly edited transcript of our conversation.

AG: What inspired you to start the Silk Road? Not just philosophically, (that's covered in lots of your posts on the Silk Road forums) but where did the idea come from?

DPR: I didn't start the Silk Road, my predecessor did. From what I understand, it was an original idea to combine Bitcoin and Tor to create an anonymous market. Everything was in place, he just put the pieces together.

Oh, apologies, I didn't know you had a predecessor. When did you take over the Road from him? Before you announced yourself as the Dread Pirate Roberts?

It's ok, this is the first time I've stated that publicly. I'd rather not say exactly when, for his sake mostly, but it was a transition that took some time. I was in his corner from early on and eventually it made sense for me to take the reigns.

Can you tell me anything about the original creator of the Silk Road? How did you meet? And did you acquire the Silk Road from him in a financial deal of some kind, or simply take over the project?

He was well compensated and happy with our arrangement. It was his idea to pass the torch in fact. We met through the site. I had discovered a big vulnerability in the way he had configured the main Bitcoin wallet that was being used to process all of the deposits and withdrawals on the site. At first he ignored me, but I persisted and gained his trust by helping him secure the wallet. From there we became close friends working on Silk Road together.

The Silk Road forums are full of comments from the Dread Pirate Roberts account. Did you write those?

The most I am willing to reveal is that I am not the first administrator of Silk Road.

Regarding the Bitcoin wallet exploit you found: Can you tell me anything more about how that worked? Would it have allowed theft of Bitcoins from the Silk Road's wallet?

It would have allowed deanonymization of the wallet servers.

If you're not the founder of Silk Road, which of its innovations are you responsible for? And what would you say is your role in the site/community?

At this point, the management of Silk Road is a collaborative effort. It's not just me making sure Silk Road runs smoothly. So, while I make the final calls, I can't take 100% credit for any of the innovation on Silk Road. More often than not, the best ideas come from the community itself. After all, they are the ones we are innovating for. For example, the recent upgrade allowing customers to view prices on Silk Road in their home currency, and allowing vendors to set their prices in their home currency was suggested over a year ago by a community member and has been on the master to do list ever since.

I would say my role is as a center of trust. The vendors trust me and the customers trust me and by extension they trust those on my team that decide who is right and wrong in disputes, and they trust me to be responsible for their funds in escrow. My role is also to provide vision and direction, to chart a course so to speak.

What would you say your title is, though? Are you essentially the owner of the site? Another way to ask this: How are the profits from the site divvied up among its staff?

I control the important Silk Road assets. Only I have access to the private keys corresponding to the Silk Road and forum URLs for example as well as my public PGP key. This ensures that when you see a signed message from me, or visit silkroadvb5piz3r.onion, you know you can trust it's from me. I'm also the only one with access to the wallets that back the accounts and escrow on Silk Road, so there is no possibility of a rogue member of my team running off with the funds. Regarding profits, I'll say this much... the vast majority are retained as assets of Silk Road and used to maintain and expand the enterprise and for future projects.

How many staffers are there working on the Silk Road?

I'd rather not talk about the internal organizational structure.
MORE FROM FORBES

Speaking of future projects, let me jump right to another big topic: What's next for Silk Road? You've mentioned a "next phase" of the site to me in our pre-interview conversations for a few months now, which you've hinted might go beyond selling drugs.

At it's core, Silk Road is a way to get around regulation from the state. If they say we can't buy and sell certain things, we'll do it anyway and suffer no abuse from them. But the state tries to control nearly every aspect of our lives, not just drug use. Anywhere they do that, there is an opportunity to live your life as you see fit despite their efforts.

I'm hesitant to specifically declare the direction we'll take next but let me give you a couple of examples. Firearms and ammunition are becoming more and more regulated and controlled in many parts of the world. We actually had a site up called "The Armory" at one point that specialized in the sale of small arms that ultimately was unsuccessful, but if we can find a model that works where people can get the equipment they need to defend themselves and their families despite what the state wants and often in defense of the state itself, I would be more than happy to provide that. Also, any place the State places large tariffs or taxes, there is an opportunity to circumvent their blockades. Consumer electronics are much more expensive than they need to be in many parts of the world, for example.

And one other big one I'd like to mention that is coming whether we do it or not is communication privacy. If it wasn't clear before that the state is your enemy, it should be now that the biggest covert intelligence agency in the biggest government on the planet has been stealing nearly everyone's private communications. We have the technology right now to make this impossible for them. End to end encryption and Tor need to become the standard for communications globally, just as SSL has. You must demand it from your communications providers. Again, if Silk Road can play a role in this transition, I'm more than happy to provide.

On that last point about secure communications services, is the Silk Road going to offer some kind of new secure communications product? Or do you just mean that you can already communicate securely through Silk Road, as you and I are doing right now?

What I mean is that, like Bitcoin and Tor coming together to spark the revolution that is Silk Road, end-to-end encryption and Tor can come together to spark a communication revolution. There are already products that offer this capability, but they are obscure and unused. What I am envisioning is that technology becoming the standard, but it will require more people understanding why they need it and demanding it from their communications providers. This will return the power of communication back to the people and with Bitcoin giving people control over their money and trade again, we're talking about the potential for a monumental shift in the power structure of the world.

I'll add that while it's nice to talk about all of the possibilities, and there are many, there are still fundamental challenges facing the basic Silk Road model. Tor hidden services are far from perfect as was recently highlighted in a research paper out of the University of Luxembourg. Bitcoin exchanges are also evolving and responding to state intervention and it is unclear how easy it will be for people to buy and sell Bitcoins in the future.

Solving these problems is also a high priority.

On the subject of security: What really protects you and Silk Road's users from law enforcement? I understand you use Tor, PGP, and Bitcoin. Anything else I'm missing? Are you confident that these things can stand up to law enforcement's surveillance tactics? Or the NSA's?

I am, unless they have cracked the modern encryption algorithms, which I highly doubt. There are a multitude of security measures we take to secure the infrastructure that powers Silk Road, but I can't go into details lest I empower those that would try to do us harm. There are a couple of little features that aim to improve security, such as incognito browsing which hides all of the images and the Silk Road logo, so it will be harder to tell what you are up to if someone else is in the room.

How do you make sure that your Bitcoins aren't traced in the blockchain? I've heard that Silk Road might act as its own Bitcoin "mix" or "laundry" to anonymize users' Bitcoins (and yours) Is this true? How does that work?

Yes, we employ an internal tumbler for when vendor withdraw their payments, and a more general mix for all deposits and withdrawals. This makes it impossible to link your deposits and withdrawals and makes it really hard to even tell that your withdrawals came from Silk Road.

Do Mt. Gox's new measures to verify users' identities who trade dollars pose a threat to Silk Road? What about the shutdown of the digital currency Liberty Reserve under charges of money laundering? Do you fear a crackdown on anonymous payment systems?

I have confidence that people will find a way, probably through decentralization. Mt Gox is choosing their path and we'll see if it's the right choice, but they are opening themselves up to competition from other organizations that are willing to protect their customer's privacy, and you can see that in their plummeting market share.

Here are some questions I imagine you'll be reluctant to answer, but forgive me for trying: What is your background, career-wise? How old are you? Are you an American? And can you give me any sense of your location or where Silk Road is located?

And I'll give you the ceremonial response: mind your own business!

Can I at least ask whether you have an engineering background? Or a cryptography background? (Or a drug-dealing background?) And one question for practicality's sake: Can I refer to you as a "he"? Having to write "he or she" at every instance or avoid pronouns altogether in my story is pretty difficult.

Three quarters of the Silk Road community, maybe less and less now, are men, so when in doubt I always say "he" unless the user has a feminine name like missy-something. Considering my name is Roberts, I think it's fine to say he.

Try to understand, any little clue such as my background, location, and nationality narrows the pool of suspects law enforcement has to consider quite a bit. You can guess a fair bit about me just from what I've revealed publicly. We're talking about risking my life and freedom and the future of the Silk Road movement I care so deeply about and it will provide nothing more than to satisfy the curiosity of a few.

Have you read or participated in the Cypherpunk Mail List, the group who in the 90s advocated using encryption tools to take power away from governments and give it to individuals? A lot of your writing sounds like theirs...they predicted encrypted online black markets like the Silk Road decades ago. Do you consider yourself a cypherpunk?

No comment.

If I could try rephrasing that cypherpunk question: Do you consider yourself a modern-day cypherpunk in the sense that you agree with their ideals and methods?

I prefer not to label my world-view. If there is a specific question you have about what you consider the cypherpunk's ideals and methods to be, then maybe I can formulate an answer.

Here's a more specific question, then: Do you see Bitcoin or other anonymous payment systems as as something that could fundamentally transform society? Or do you think it will always exist at the fringes?

It already is transforming society. We've won the State's War on Drugs because of Bitcoin, and this is just the beginning. It's really part of a larger transformation, driven by peer-to-peer technology and the internet as a whole. The people now can control the flow and distribution on information, and the flow of money. Sector by sector the state is being cut out of the equation and power is being returned to the individual. I don't think anyone can comprehend the magnitude of the revolution we are in. I think it will be looked back on as an epoch in the evolution of mankind.

Do you think Bitcoin is a real competitor to fiat currencies like the dollar, or is it really just useful for black market applications or other privacy-focused applications?

All transfers of wealth should be considered "privacy-focused applications."

It sounds like you're considering selling guns again. What wouldn't you sell? Any kinds of drug? Or certain kinds of weapons? What about national security secrets or corporate intellectual property?"

We don't allow the sale of anything that's main purpose is to harm innocent people, or that it was necessary to harm innocent people to bring it to market. For example, anything stolen is forbidden, counterfeit money and coupons which are used to defraud people, hitmen aren't allowed, and neither is child pornography. No substance on Silk Road falls under those guidelines.

We currently don't allow the sale of any weaponry, but if we did I wouldn't allow any weapons that are designed to be used on crowds of people or whole populations. We would only allow weapons that can be used for self-defense.

More fundamentally do you think there are any limits to the benefits of a free market? If tools like Tor and Bitcoin could become so powerful that they truly create an invincible free market, can free market libertarianism go too far?

That depends on what you want. I want to be able to pursue my dreams and live my life as I see fit, unhindered by others, and I want others to have the same freedom. Your question doesn't make sense to me. How can you go too far protecting people's rights as individuals? How can you go too far liberating people from bondage?

Do you feel any moral guilt about selling highly addictive and dangerous drugs to users and even to dealers? Don't drugs like crack and heroin have harmful effects on your customers and on society? And couldn't even children manage to get access to them through the Silk Road?"

On the contrary, I am proud of what I do. I can't think of one drug that doesn't have at least some harmful effects. That's really not the point though. People own themselves, they own their bodies, and it is their right to put into their bodies whatever they choose. It's not my place, or the government's, or anyone else's to say what a person does with their own body. Giving people that freedom of choice and the dignity of self-ownership is a good thing.

If someone uses drugs, then goes on to hurt other people, then of course they should be held accountable for their actions, whether they were using drugs or not, but to paint all drug users as "harmful to society" and try to throw them all in cages is despicable and does much more harm to communities and families than drugs ever could. Further, using children to appeal to people's fears is irresponsible. There are many dangers facing children, the least of which include obtaining Bitcoins, configuring their computer to access Tor and Silk Road, navigating the site to make a purchase, and getting the package delivered past their parents. It is the responsibility of parents and those they trust to educate their children about drugs and everything else they will have to make decisions about in their life. Again, not my place, or the government's, or anyone else's.

What can you tell me about the cyberattack that hit the Silk Road in May? How big was it? How long did it last? Is it still going on? Do you know anything about who is responsible?

It lasted nearly a week if I recall correctly. Hackers and scammers are constantly trying to attack Silk Road anyway they can. Everyone knows there's a lot of money flowing through here, so we are the biggest target on the Tor network by far. This has been a blessing and a curse. For one, our systems are incredibly resilient to attack and are constantly being tested. On the other hand, we are on the front-line dealing with and reacting to all of the latest exploits. We do our best to stay at least one step ahead, but as we saw last month, sometimes we get taken by surprise by someone with a zero day exploit. This one was by far the most sophisticated we've seen to date. I'd rather not comment on the parties responsible for the attack or the specifics of the attack itself.

So this was not merely a distributed denial of service attack? It was a zero day exploit? Did it gain access to any data or simply knock the site offline?

I'm not one hundred percent on this, but I don't think it's possible to do a DDoS over Tor, or at least it is much harder than doing it over the clear net. The effect of the attack was to block access to Silk Road. No data was leaked, in fact we've never had a data leak.

Do you believe the attack was orchestrated by your competitors at Atlantis, as many have suggested?"

I'd rather not comment on the parties responsible for the attack.

Forgive me if this sounds like I'm trying to start a fight, but when I interviewed the "CEO" of Atlantis, he denied that Atlantis was the source of an attack. He also argued that the downtime wasn't actually a cyberattack but was just the result of infrastructure problems at Silk Road. He did say that Atlantis is trying to capitalize on Silk Road's downtime to grow and take some of its market share. Do you want to respond?

Sure, the downtime was most definitely due to an attack and anyone running a hidden service would be wise to harden it against what are now known DoS and deanonymizing exploits in the Tor network.

What do you think of Atlantis and its public marketing campaign, including the Reddit "ask-me-anything" appearance of its CEO and the YouTube video advertisement it commissioned?

There have been several copycat sites that have come up over the years. Each is slightly different and tries to provide a different experience to users. Black Market Reloaded, for example, has been around for almost 2 years now and has a small following. One of the main differences is that it's much easier to be a vendor on these other sites, so vendors who aren't ready for Silk Road will cut their teeth on one of these secondary markets and try to earn enough to buy the bond on their vendor account at Silk Road. Overall, it's great to have competitors and I'm glad Silk Road isn't the only one anymore.

Up until now, I've done my best to keep Silk Road as low profile as possible, focus on improving our systems and letting people discover Silk Road through word of mouth. The people behind Atlantis have seen this approach as an opportunity for them to copy what we've done and then accelerate adoption to a wider audience by being vocal. However, I've taken the slow and steady approach for good reason. As mention before, the technologies supporting these anonymous markets are imperfect and the longer we can delay a full-scale retaliation from those that would shut us down, the more prepared we will be. At the same time, Silk Road has been around for two and a half years now. We've withstood a lot and it's not like our enemies are unaware any longer.

One thing I've learned playing Dread Pirate Roberts is that your actions are sure to please some and infuriate others, and doing this interview is sure illicit both responses in the Silk Road community. But we can't stay silent forever. We have an important message, and the time is ripe for the world to hear it. What we're doing isn't about scoring drugs or "sticking it to the man," it's about standing up for our rights as human beings and refusing to submit when we've done no wrong. Silk Road is a vehicle for that message. All else is secondary.

Sorry, what exactly do you mean by "buy the bond on their vendor account"?"

To be a vendor on Silk Road, you are required to buy a bond. This is retained as insurance against any rule breaking until you have proven yourself to be a trustworthy asset to the community.

You said you're glad Silk Road isn't the only one of its kind anymore. Why? It must be pretty lucrative having a near monopoly.

Competition is healthy for any industry. Different companies can try different approaches to the same problem and as a whole we will more quickly find good solutions. I like having them nipping at my heels as well, keeps me motivated.

Is there anything Atlantis has done that you think is original or innovative?

Not that I've seen.

Aside from this interview, are you doing anything else to make Silk Road more mainstream, or bring more public attention to it?

We are now hosting a website that can be accessed from any normal browser at http://www.silkroadlink.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. It contains instructions for accessing Silk Road and guidelines for staying safe and making the most of it. We'll see what effect that and this interview has and go from there.

Can you tell me anything about the total sales on the site and how fast it's growing? How many users it has? How much profit you're making?

No comment.

In one of your posts to the Silk Road forums, you said that you enjoyed a few "first world" pleasures as a result of your success. Can you give me any sense of what those might be without getting too personal?

I don't spend beyond what I could justify in an audit, which I think many would consider meager. I find that being DPR and running Silk Road is far more engaging than most leisurely activities, so I don't really need to spend much to be happy and live a good life. As far as my monetary net-worth is concerned, the future value of Silk Road as an organization dwarfs its and my liquid assets. At this point I wouldn't sell out for less than 10 figures, maybe 11. Whether someone would buy it for that much is another question, but at some point you're going to have to put Dread Pirate Roberts on that list you all keep over at Forbes.

I think I saw a Silk Road job posting once that asked what the candidate's favorite recreational drug was. What's yours?

I love a bowl of sticky indica buds at the end of a long day.

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:34 am

by Munchy

AGD wrote:You guys remember this interview with DPR by Andy Greenberg?
To me this is clearly Variety Jones talking, instead of Ross Ulbricht. What do you guys think? Could this be PoM answering the questions?

"The undercover agents had studied the logs of the real admins' conversations with their moderators and the site's users long enough to convincingly impersonate them..."

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:18 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote:Anyone else notice that Gary Davis aka Libertas had his extradition from Ireland into SDNY custody announced Friday?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -s-charges" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There could be a link-up with the two cases. Perhaps make them race to take a deal, same place, real time.

Here is the indictment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 6/download" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:03 am

by DD Ramone

If my grizzled and sometimes be-fuddled memory serves me right the PoM'ster had a friend in Ireland many years ago that he used to communicate with, so I wonder if it was this Gary Davis (Libertas) character?

Jesús Malverde wrote:Anyone else notice that Gary Davis aka Libertas had his extradition from Ireland into SDNY custody announced Friday?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -s-charges" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There could be a link-up with the two cases. Perhaps make them race to take a deal, same place, real time.

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:33 am

by smokebreaks

I don’t believe that he was the guy. I’m thinking you’re a bit confused with the mate that he had a bit of trouble with. Dude with the affinity for his potene?

Claimed to be IRA or something I remember.

Wish others with better mind than I would reflect but I can understand reluctance to participate in this business.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:51 pm

by DD Ramone

The story needs to be told smokes, and I have word that the Coen Brothers in Hollywood are right now formulating a script for a movie all about SR/Ulbricht/VJ-PoM-Cimon-Clark and all the supporting cast.

It should prove interesting, and I only hope that they get it right.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:33 pm

by smokebreaks

That’s gonna be damn interesting for them to pull off, since I own the rights to the PoM saga.

— and if they choose not to believe me, they can ask him.

Which I know they have’t.

Now for reasons unknown quite to myself at this time, I’m really not allowed to speak further.

‘Eh we’ll get back to the other story shortly

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:51 pm

by Oldjoints

smokebreaks wrote:That’s gonna be damn interesting for them to pull off, since I own the rights to the PoM saga.

— and if they choose not to believe me, they can ask him.

Which I know they have’t.

Now for reasons unknown quite to myself at this time, I’m really not allowed to speak further.

‘Eh we’ll get back to the other story shortly

A POM you are not..... that was pitiful!

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:57 pm

by DD Ramone

smokebreaks wrote:That’s gonna be damn interesting for them to pull off, since I own the rights to the PoM saga.

— and if they choose not to believe me, they can ask him.

Which I know they have’t.

Now for reasons unknown quite to myself at this time, I’m really not allowed to speak further.

‘Eh we’ll get back to the other story shortly

So I guess that its a case of 'The last fucking thing the Coen Brothers want is my undivided attention...'

lol, lets see how that pans out.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:01 pm

by smokebreaks

Well, no, PoM, I’m most definitely not.

However I was smart enough to acquire the rights of agency for this story, before he got picked up in Thailand.

And to be fair, I can’t tell you what is going to happen next, because until the courts play out their game, and all appeals are exhausted, they really can’t do a damn thing, and neither can I.

Can’t make a blockbuster while the script is still being written.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:14 pm

by DD Ramone

I presume that they will center the story around Ulbricht, and PoM/VJ/Cimon will just be some sort of peripheral character within this tale of abject greed and blind avarice, whereby a humble mushroom salesman ends up creating drug casualties all over the planet and a 'hit-list' of self-generated fake 'taps' courtesy of the alphabet agencies, all mentored by the illusive PoM'ster.

Oh what a 'Ripping Yarn' eh?

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:02 pm

by Jesús Malverde

The story would be far more interesting written from PoM's POV than either Ulbrecht's or that of a narrational voice. It's not even a close thing. It could be the best movie ever made.

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:12 pm

by smokebreaks

It’s all a bit of a wait and see at this point.

Right now, everything so far, even as the SDNY acknowledges via their press releases, these charges, include a line that reads until proven, everything suggested is simply an allegation.

Now my best guess, and that is only a guess, we’re probably somewhere around a year away from anything definitive occurring within the courts.

I base that on the speed at which the Malware Bytes guy’s case is moving through the US judicial system.

You may recall he stopped that wannacry virii and as his reward he got picked up on his way home after DEFCON last year. Well the conference just ended for this year, and I heard he was still living here in the US learning how to surf while out on bail.

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:25 am

by AGD

I can write a perfect soundtrack for that movie...

:band:

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:29 am

by DD Ramone

Already DPR's/Ulbricht's case has been done and dusted back in 2013, and with it a whole lot of evidence, facts around the case have been proven in a US court beyond all reasonable doubt and Ulbricht was found to be guilty by a jury.

So all of the investigative work has already been done and I'm sure that whatever jury PoM gets will be fully aware of this, and informed of it in the courtroom, along with the verdict of the Ulbricht case - life without the possibility of parole, so will it just be a re-run of most of the SR case against Ulbricht with the added proof/evidence that PoM was indeed involved up to his ear-holes? Or will PoM be able to put up some at least faintly credible defense in the hope of getting off on a technicality, or as a very long shot coming out of it smelling of begonias?

As smokes says, at this stage its all supposition to predict the outcome, since crazy things do happen in trials, very occasionally the guilty are found innocent and vice-versa, but I seriously doubt this will happen in PoM's case because it looks like the feds case is air-tight from where I sit. But the again what do I know?

smokebreaks wrote:It’s all a bit of a wait and see at this point.

Right now, everything so far, even as the SDNY acknowledges via their press releases, these charges, include a line that reads until proven, everything suggested is simply an allegation.

Now my best guess, and that is only a guess, we’re probably somewhere around a year away from anything definitive occurring within the courts.

I base that on the speed at which the Malware Bytes guy’s case is moving through the US judicial system.

You may recall he stopped that wannacry virii and as his reward he got picked up on his way home after DEFCON last year. Well the conference just ended for this year, and I heard he was still living here in the US learning how to surf while out on bail.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:13 am

by dill786

POM should be played by Steve Buscemi

he got the pom look

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:07 am

by bentech

does Ulbricht's have any appeal grounds worth mentioning?

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:03 am

by AGD

Here PoM talks about his jailtime:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022&start=315#p144500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The UK bust and my incarceration was over, obviously, by the time I moved to Thailand, just under 3 1/2 years ago. The point was that I was incarcerated at the time the Silk Road website rolled out, not that I was incarcerated at the time it was busted over two years later.

So he says, his jailtime ended April 2012! If you look at the SR timeline https://antilop.cc/sr/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; in April 2012, you'll see, that PoM jailtime ended about that time, when the murder for hire story was starting to evolve.

Easy for him to lie here, but also easy to prove if it was necessary.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:15 am

by AGD

bentech wrote:does Ulbricht's have any appeal grounds worth mentioning?

I guess Ross already has to beg Putin for reprieve

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:36 am

by smokebreaks

AGD wrote:Here PoM talks about his jailtime:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022&start=315#p144500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The UK bust and my incarceration was over, obviously, by the time I moved to Thailand, just under 3 1/2 years ago. The point was that I was incarcerated at the time the Silk Road website rolled out, not that I was incarcerated at the time it was busted over two years later.
So he says, his jailtime ended April 2012! If you look at the SR timeline https://antilop.cc/sr/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; in April 2012, you'll see, that PoM jailtime ended about that time, when the murder for hire story was starting to evolve.

Easy for him to lie here, but also easy to prove if it was necessary.

You do remember that none of the murder for hire part of this story made it into the courts during the Ulbricht trial right?

Since they never brought it up in Ross’ case, I’d highly doubt that it would play any significance to the PoM trial, should such events occur.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:03 am

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:
AGD wrote:Here PoM talks about his jailtime:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022&start=315#p144500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The UK bust and my incarceration was over, obviously, by the time I moved to Thailand, just under 3 1/2 years ago. The point was that I was incarcerated at the time the Silk Road website rolled out, not that I was incarcerated at the time it was busted over two years later.
So he says, his jailtime ended April 2012! If you look at the SR timeline https://antilop.cc/sr/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; in April 2012, you'll see, that PoM jailtime ended about that time, when the murder for hire story was starting to evolve.

Easy for him to lie here, but also easy to prove if it was necessary.

You do remember that none of the murder for hire part of this story made it into the courts during the Ulbricht trial right?

Since they never brought it up in Ross’ case, I’d highly doubt that it would play any significance to the PoM trial, should such events occur.

Well, most of the VJ/Cimon chats would have been taken place while PoM was obv. sitting in jail and I highly doubt that PoM could have been able to orchestrate everything behind bars. I am not sure how free inmates in the UK can use the internet, but I doubt all this would occur without observation.

So if PoM was in jail at that time, there was obv. another person using the VJ moniker. (Edit 4: Or he was working with LE. Maybe he saw the SilkRoad thing in the tv room in jail and thought, that he could be the key to bust the SR admin)

If PoM says 'I can't be Variety Jones, because I was in jail at that very time' and he can prove that without a doubt, what else could be done than to send him back to Canada as a free man?

Edit: Ross U. has been proven to be DPR without a doubt. They found everything on his unencrypted laptop incl. the chatlogs and he was caught logged in as DPR.
The case with Thomas is completely different unless they have more evidence, than what we already know. Now a jailtime when the crime has been commited is the strongest evidence for PoMs innocence, so far.

Edit 2: If I assume the shortest jailtime (5 month) he was jailed in Nov 2011. At that time VJ was already a SR staff and mentor and he continued chatting with DPR just like nothing happened until the bust.

Edit 3: Combining a log entry from Ross with the timeline shows, that VJ had been influencing Ross from about Aug. 2011 and that DPR introduced his "two brilliant IT proffessionals" on Sept. 2011.
On 29/12/2011 Ross had been chatting with VJ:
"29/12/2011 - chatted with VJ again today. Him coming onto the scene has re inspired me and given me direction on the SR project. "

Hard to believe that you could do this in jail and PoM might be able to use a ruby phone, but admistrating unix servers from jail without beeing noticed for month is rather fictionous.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:34 am

by smokebreaks

Well I’m of a different belief set here.

I see him being deported out of the UK and his moving to Thailand after his jail sentence was completed a few months after the SR site started. Elsewhere on the site here someone had posted it had started back in Feb, and Hacks suggested that Ross and VJ started talking a few months later.

I dunno what the timeline is, or does have anything to do with anything.

When Silk Road got started and when it got popped, after which, remember Snowden defected telling the world that the USA was spying on everyone and everything, I was busy dealing with a lot of what life throws at you...

There’s a whole lot more back and forth that we will never get to the bottom of so let’s let the courts do their things, then we can piece together what really happens.

Again, suppositions aren’t admissible, facts they are, and the warrant the judge signed off indicates that Mongoose had an involvement in the charges he faces.

No where in that indictment that Oldjoints posted a link — I’m lazy to go look for it on my phone — does it say that he’s facing accusations at trial for, murder for hire, that never occurred.

If you know what you’re looking for you can easily piece together a timeline that shows Mongoose in jail, Mongoose out of jail.

And believe me, there are fucking prisoners that are running live videoshows in groups on Facebook. Streaming their shit live to the world out of confines of the US prison system from behind the bars of the grey bar motel.

I’ve got a couple of associates who can’t seem to keep themselves out of jail. County, State, Federal, they run the gamut. You could not believe the stories they share about how shit gets run in the land of the free, with the highest concentration of incarcerated in the world, it is absolutely mind boggling. But then you see prisoners doing FB live shows at Christmas and they’re walking in and out of their cells pretty much at will.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:12 am

by DD Ramone

Prisons are awash with mobile phones, allowing inmates to continue a life of crime unhindered by locked doors and barbed wire. Why is technology not being used to stop them?

Thousands of mobile phones are confiscated in UK prisons every year and many more - smuggled in or thrown over the wall - go undetected.

They are a valuable illegal resource - costing between £400 and £1,000 just to borrow.

The government's National Offender Management Service (NOMS) seized 7,451 mobile phones and Sim cards in prisons in England and Wales in 2013.

Using them, inmates had "commissioned murder, planned escapes, imported automatic firearms and arranged drug imports", NOMS said.

"The problem is widespread."

Machine-guns were smuggled into the UK by a prisoner organising the crime by phone from his cell.

Judge David Farrell QC called the "wholly inadequate" prison security that had allowed the crime a "scandal".

Inmates have run a cocaine ring, arranged the murder of a teenager as part of a feud and organised the killing of a gang leader - all from their prison cells.

The mother of an inmate in HMP Northumberland claims "the place is full of mobile phones".

"You've got people throwing mobile phones over the fences and then there are prisoners who have access to the grounds so they're bringing them in," she says.

Glyn Travis from the Prison Officers' Association (POA) says the jail is far from unique.

"Drugs and mobile phones are freely thrown into prisons" with delivery by drone "completely undermining the external security that protects the public", he says.

Sodexo, which runs HMP Northumberland, said "staff worked hard to stop illicit items getting into the prison using a range of technical and intelligence measures".

But the fact that so many phones make their way into prisons despite security precautions goes some way to explaining how hard it is to find and remove them.

The obvious solution, says the POA, is to make them unusable.

Mobile phone jammers or grabbers - which block signals or divert them away from their intended destination - are readily available.

But NOMS says the expense is "disproportionate", at up to £300m to fit and £800,000 a year to maintain.

However, technology installers, such as US company Cell Antenna's Howard Melamed, have been downplaying the cost of the technology for years.

Steve Rogers, the managing director of electronic counter measures company Digital RF, says the UK's wide variety of prisons - large, small, new-build, Victorian, open, high security - makes pricing "very difficult".

"How do you value this, that's the question, isn't it?" Mr Rogers says.

"When you work out that value then you can say whether it's affordable or not."

The 2010 Crime and Security Act made possessing a mobile phone in jail punishable by up to two years' imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine.

But inmates do not worry about punishment for crimes committed inside, Mr Travis says.

"I don't know why they should fear the fact that, if they get prosecuted - and I use the word if they get prosecuted - by the CPS and the police, and then they go to the courts and they may get a 12-month concurrent sentence."

Prisoners in HMP Northumberland know they are not allowed mobiles, but "lots of them" have them nonetheless, the inmate's mother says.

Last year the government awarded a £60,000 contract to explore the use of mobile phones in prisons - how to stop them getting in, find those that do and disrupt those which cannot be located.

The previous year the Scottish Prison Service announced plans to pilot blocking technology at HMPs Shotts and Glenochil.

But NOMS specifically excluded such "prohibitively expensive solutions", despite a change in the law in 2012 permitting their use in prisons.

Then, in 2015, the Serious Crime Act introduced the possibility of regulations giving the government - and ministers in Scotland - the power to force mobile phone operators to disconnect illicit phones and Sim cards.

Notably, the authorities would not need to find the phone to have it cut off.

The regulations are still to be enacted. A Prison Service spokesman said they would be "introduced in due course".

But disconnected Sim cards and phones are soon replaced, Mr Rogers says.

And cutting people off is not in the commercial interests of organisations that make money "making sure people stay on air".

"They only have to get one or two people wrong and they could be in a quite interesting legal situation," he says.

The POA has been lobbying for signal blockers for years, raising it with MPs and each successive government.

"Every year they say 'we can't afford it, we'll do a pilot scheme, we'll do this' and, whenever they try to do it, they say it causes too many problems - absolute rubbish," Mr Travis says.

Mr Rogers favours grabbing technology because prisons can see how many handsets have been disabled and to whom they belong.

Blocking can sometimes leave small spots where a signal might break through and its effect is hard to quantify, he says.

The prisons he works with can only measure success by the number of phones thrown in bins by inmates not wanting to risk punishment for an illicit item that no longer works.

The Prison Service accepts jails are "in need of urgent reform" and it has to "look at new ways of finding and blocking mobile phones as well as as equipping prison officers with the right tools to tackle them".

The UK's very tight spectrum control increases costs, Steve Rogers says
It lists detection equipment, routine searches, CCTV, sniffer dogs and penalties - but is very reticent about its position on blocking technology.

A spokesman refused to say whether the 2012 legislation permitting the use of "signal-denying" technology had ever been used.

He also refused to comment on which publicised pilot schemes had taken place or what conclusions on cost and effectiveness they had come to.

The POA believes blocking or grabbing would not only control prisoners, it would "have significant impact on the general public".

When the "people who've committed some of the most heinous crimes" can organise more crime from inside a prison, "how safe are your children?", Mr Travis asks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-35411297" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:07 pm

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:Well I’m of a different belief set here.

I see him being deported out of the UK and his moving to Thailand after his jail sentence was completed a few months after the SR site started. Elsewhere on the site here someone had posted it had started back in Feb, and Hacks suggested that Ross and VJ started talking a few months later.

I dunno what the timeline is, or does have anything to do with anything.

When Silk Road got started and when it got popped, after which, remember Snowden defected telling the world that the USA was spying on everyone and everything, I was busy dealing with a lot of what life throws at you...

There’s a whole lot more back and forth that we will never get to the bottom of so let’s let the courts do their things, then we can piece together what really happens.

Again, suppositions aren’t admissible, facts they are, and the warrant the judge signed off indicates that Mongoose had an involvement in the charges he faces.

No where in that indictment that Oldjoints posted a link — I’m lazy to go look for it on my phone — does it say that he’s facing accusations at trial for, murder for hire, that never occurred.

If you know what you’re looking for you can easily piece together a timeline that shows Mongoose in jail, Mongoose out of jail.

And believe me, there are fucking prisoners that are running live videoshows in groups on Facebook. Streaming their shit live to the world out of confines of the US prison system from behind the bars of the grey bar motel.

I’ve got a couple of associates who can’t seem to keep themselves out of jail. County, State, Federal, they run the gamut. You could not believe the stories they share about how shit gets run in the land of the free, with the highest concentration of incarcerated in the world, it is absolutely mind boggling. But then you see prisoners doing FB live shows at Christmas and they’re walking in and out of their cells pretty much at will.

Don’t forget them pacer searches are 10¢ ea. too.

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:51 pm

by Giblet Muncher

smokebreaks wrote:Don’t forget them pacer searches are 10¢ ea. too.

They dont charge tho unless you go over $15 in a period.

'Usage is billed on a quarterly basis. Pursuant to Judicial Conference policy, no account is billed for usage of less than $15 a quarter.'

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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:24 pm

by Oldjoints

Giblet Muncher wrote:here is that protective order

Ok that’s geared towards sensitive information and not bodily harm.

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:59 am

by AGD

Smokes, how about the next part of your story?

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:22 pm

by ydna

smokebreaks wrote:snip...

For my guess, I’ll await his trial verdict before passing judgement but I’m confident that Mongoose is not going to get out of this one.
...snip.

Alright, Gents.

Hopes all's well. Did a search and caught the news.

Anyway....agreed. He's fucked. But that was kinda decided years ago, it was just a matter of how he was going to do it.

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:48 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Haven't seen your mug around here in yonks. NW to NW

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:58 pm

by ydna

Yeah, time fly's mate. Grew some pot for a while and smoked it, y'know how it goes :D Some other stuff too.

It really is my bed time. Hopefully catch up soon.

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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:31 am

by DD Ramone

An Irishman was extradited to the United States on Friday nigth to face charges that he helped run the now-defunct Silk Road, an online black market where illegal drugs and other goods were bought and sold, US prosecutors announced.

Gary Davis (30) was charged in Manhattan federal court with crimes including conspiracy to distribute narcotics, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. Jacob Kaplan, a lawyer for Mr Davis, could not immediately be reached for comment.

Mr Davis was indicted in 2013, but fought extradition in the Irish courts. He said he suffered from Asperger Syndrome, depression and anxiety, and argued that incarceration in the United States could hurt his mental health and endanger his life, violating his fundamental rights.

The Supreme Court rejected those arguments last month.

The ‘dark web’ marketplace Silk Road was shut down in 2013 when authorities seized the website and arrested its creator, Ross Ulbricht, who is now serving a life sentence in prison after being tried and convicted of drug trafficking charges.

Prosecutors have said Silk Road was used in the sale of more than $200 million worth of illegal drugs and other contraband. They said Mr Davis was among the site’s administrators, whose duties included monitoring users’ activity and resolving disputes between buyers and sellers.

Mr Davis was indicted along with two others accused of working on the site. Peter Nash, an Australian, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to time served after 17 months in jail in 2015. Andrew Michael Jones, an American, also pleaded guilty but has not been sentenced.

Last month, prosecutors announced the extradition of another defendant charged in connection with Silk Road, Roger Thomas Clark, from Thailand to the United States. Mr Clark, a Canadian national, has been accused of acting as Ulbricht’s “right-hand man.” - Reuters.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-a ... -1.3565472" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:39 pm

by smokebreaks

AGD wrote:Smokes, how about the next part of your story?

Life gets in the way. I have some health issues. Nothing too serious I hope but has life been kept interesting to say the least.

I’m kinda busy through the 14th

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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:59 pm

by bentech

so,
we need a rat line to at least keep him in pen and ink

next is books and radio

my lawyer is currently at working determining the avenue I can contribute via

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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:21 pm

by anu

I think another giant FREESEED giveaway is in order,just pay exorbitantly for postage and if you sprout 8 out of 10 you'll promise to send another eight dollars

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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:27 pm

by smokebreaks

Ahh... No.

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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:37 am

by Cyclopat

this is new (of sort)
https://silkroaddrugs.org/category/silk-road-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ulbricht was initially slapped with six murder-for-hire charges, five of which never made it to court. The sixth charge involved his former partner and has now been dismissed with prejudice, giving the 34-year-old a sliver of hope to hang on to as he serves out his life sentence at the USP Florence Maximum Security Prison in Colorado.

my hunch about that murder arranged with Carl Force was that VJ was somehow pulling some strings in that story
wasnt he in charge of counter-intel of sorts ?

and now they are dropping these charges against Ulbricht to ''reallocate'' ressources...
still that hunch about a fish smelling somewhere...
we'll see

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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:36 am

by Giblet Muncher

A couple more transcript dates added.

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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:05 am

by Jesús Malverde

The scope of allowable redactions is so narrow, it's surprising to me so much time is being devoted to it.

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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:23 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote:The scope of allowable redactions is so narrow, it's surprising to me so much time is being devoted to it.

We all now, that PoM is capable of stretching a short story into bible size. Imagine what happens, when he has a lot to say ...

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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:58 pm

by Jesús Malverde

The succession of tranches of evidentiary data under redaction strongly suggest a *lot* of previously undisclosed evidence is on its way to becoming part of the public domain. If this actually goes to trial, discovery might be, shall we say, interesting. If that evidence contains potentially sensitive or embarrassing information, that will put pressure on the prosecution to move on a quietly negotiated deal.

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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:47 am

by Munchy

well he did tell us his this was all part of his plan to expose that diamond guy, right?

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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:16 am

by AGD

Munchy wrote:well he did tell us his this was all part of his plan to expose that diamond guy, right?

Yeah. This wallet might be related:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... _silkroad/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:05 pm

by OzFreelancer

AGD wrote:
Munchy wrote:well he did tell us his this was all part of his plan to expose that diamond guy, right?
Yeah. This wallet might be related:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... _silkroad/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't really understand the excitement around this. The "original wallet" that the reddit post says is related to Silk Road and which all the rest is based on seems to be the Kleimer wallet that is part of the Craig Wright (Faketoshi) lawsuit according to this document: https://www.scribd.com/document/372445139/Exhibit-4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or am I reading it wrong? I must admit I have not read through the thousand or so posts about it

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:11 am

by AGD

OzFreelancer wrote:
AGD wrote:
Munchy wrote:well he did tell us his this was all part of his plan to expose that diamond guy, right?
Yeah. This wallet might be related:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... _silkroad/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't really understand the excitement around this. The "original wallet" that the reddit post says is related to Silk Road and which all the rest is based on seems to be the Kleimer wallet that is part of the Craig Wright (Faketoshi) lawsuit according to this document: https://www.scribd.com/document/372445139/Exhibit-4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or am I reading it wrong? I must admit I have not read through the thousand or so posts about it

The origin of the Silk Road wallet can be found on Bitcointalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600.0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
DPR made a posting where he 'unwittingly leaked' one of his Bitcoin addresses https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic ... 4#msg94424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , which directly leads to a lot of Bitcoins , which are on the move now.

Off topic:
Most of the addresses in the Faketoshi case are proven to be regular MtGox addresses. Craig Wright and Ira Kleiman both probably have no clue, that the original Satoshi addresses have 50BTC in each, because they were mined and most of it has never moved.

Edit: You can find the latest addresses here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic ... sg44915670" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:55 pm

by AGD

https://freeross.org/railroaded/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As time went on, Ross became more stressed and overwhelmed by the Silk Road project[2-4][2-5] and turned to an online anonymous stranger he met through the site. “I had discovered a big vulnerability in the way he had configured the main Bitcoin wallet that was being used to process all the deposits and withdrawals on the site,” the stranger stated in a later interview.[2-6] “At first he ignored me, but I persisted and gained his trust by helping him secure the wallet. From there we became close friends working on Silk Road together.”
That stranger provided the needed help and eventually took control of the site entirely. “It was a transition that took some time,” he said, “I was in his corner from early on and eventually it made sense for me to take the reins.” On November 11, 2011, Ross informed Bates of this transition.[2-7] As he told him in an online chat, “glad that’s not my problem anymore.”[2-8]

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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:26 am

by Jesús Malverde

Strange to me that from that link that seeks to exculpate Ulbricht in various ways, Clark isn't even mentioned by name. I would expect them to play up Clark's role to minimize Ulbricht's.

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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:24 pm

by bentech

ran across this today and it didn't sound farmiliar,
was this noticed 3 years ago?

Clark’s PGP signature and history of posting activity on MyPlanetGanja confirm his identity. While I guess the story itself could be manufactured, that is a very remote possibility as he has provided copies of signed PGP messages to the FBI.

http://truthvoice.com/2015/09/how-a-cor ... my-friend/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:20 am

by AGD

bentech wrote:ran across this today and it didn't sound farmiliar,
was this noticed 3 years ago?

Clark’s PGP signature and history of posting activity on MyPlanetGanja confirm his identity. While I guess the story itself could be manufactured, that is a very remote possibility as he has provided copies of signed PGP messages to the FBI.

http://truthvoice.com/2015/09/how-a-cor ... my-friend/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wasn't he using this key id 80C95F51 (plural_of_encrypted@hushmail.com) for his communications? At least this one certainly doesn't have anything to do with Silk Road and only proves he is PoM. As far as I remember PoM wasn't even saying, that he IS Variety Jones, but that this Diamond freak THINKS he is.

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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:47 am

by Giblet Muncher

Here is the court transcript from June 19th 2018.

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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:55 am

by Giblet Muncher

Next transcript out 13th Nov. Next court pretrial conference 25th Jan 2019.

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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:31 pm

by AGD

So he was sitting in front of a laptop every day the past 4 month.

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:10 am

by WhiteHotAfterburner

I tried to get through this whole thread in one sitting. I got 18 pages deep. Wholly fuck, that's a lot of reading.

I, for one, am glad to read PoM is still alive.

He was always friendly and kind to me.

I have a move coming up. After that I'd be willing to chip in to his Canteen.

Good morning, everyone!

,
WHAB

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:33 pm

by deran

smokebreaks wrote:
@deran

Hey, what countries in Europe started that operation busting growers before -RC? Do you remember?

it all started mid 90s, when the "crazy" swiss guys "interfeared" with european laws and started exporting weed , declared as hemp, back in those times the EU had its THC law = less than 0,3% , that by the way, was changed / corrected down to less tham 0,2 % THC , the swiss guys havent had that law, and any strain grown under the sun seemed hemp and not weed .. call it what you want ... anyways in those times you could found ads in different magazines coming from swiss growers/farmers , ceap weed for all, all it took was just and placed order, that was the time of the so called aroma bags, well, most of them werent bags but pillows full of weed, addmittedly first crops werent hi grade, but things got better

at the same time late 90s, most of the eu countries changed their law and forbid seeds, they were made illegal, before that you could go into any freak shop / headshop / growshop and buy them like chewing gums, that lead to even more ads in magazines, as not all countries had this ban on seeds, so it was logical for the austrian guy to make an ad in a german magazine for something thats not illegal there, but here it is

and there was the inet end 90s beginnning of the new millenium

its just in this timeline that european force trained their work across the border, so its an ongoing battle since mid 90s

the last actual thing during my active online time, was the europol bust on some seed vendors by europol 2004 or 2005 or 06, cant remember ... later on they just progressed to the shops offering cuttings and sending them across borders by mail

its hard to exactly find a particular date, as its all kind of a big wave that morphes into another big wave, nothing new learned nor achieved

meanwhile, many addys are on a watchlist, and any letter or parcel with a listed addy goes directly to the cops, and you will get visited

orwell put those barcodes on our enevelopes, now those fuckers found out what to do with it

the really big problem are the companies and sellers that dont give as fuck about their customers, dont know their own rights and become all whipmy and whiney when fuckers enter their shop

btw i wonder how many bakeries keep names and orders of their own customers in their database ... a shame ...

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:47 am

by smokebreaks

AGD wrote:So he was sitting in front of a laptop every day the past 4 month.

Nope.

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:53 am

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:
AGD wrote:So he was sitting in front of a laptop every day the past 4 month.
Nope.

...Third, in terms of arrangements made for the
defendant's expeditious review at the MDC in Brooklyn, I had a
lengthy conversation earlier with counsel there. They are
willing to do for Mr. Clark what they do extremely, extremely
rarely but what they did in the Ulbricht case, which is mindful
of the voluminous nature of the discovery, they are prepared to
essentially give him access seven days a week to a laptop that
has been loaded up with the discovery materials. That is not
the norm. They made very clear that administratively that
creates certain additional burdens for them but they have
committed to us that they will do that. And the hours -- it is
a considerable number of hours and it is access seven days per
week.
Just by way of comparison, typically, so when it is
not the exceptional case, my understanding is when a defendant
needs to review discovery on a drive, they typically get access
three hours or so per week, not seven days per week, but they
have committed to doing that. So I have informed defense
counsel that if she can provide us with a laptop, we will
either load up the laptop or load up a second set of drives and
together we can get that over to the MDC so that the defendant
can begin reviewing the voluminous materials.
THE COURT: All right. Thank you for that report,
Mr. Neff.
Ms. Carvlin, how much time would you like to review
these matters with your client in order to determine what
motions, if any, you would like to make?
MS. CARVLIN: Boy, Judge, that is a difficult question
to answer standing here. Obviously, when I hear 7 to 8
terabytes, that leads to the thought of months and months and
months of dedicated activity. Obviously, I'm very appreciative
of the MDC's willingness to accommodate in this case, and the
idea that Mr. Clark will have access to the materials on his
own at pretty much whenever he would like is going to be hugely
helpful but I also have to review them.
So what I would suggest, Judge, is coming back to the
Court perhaps in the fall. By then I will have an idea of what
progress I have been making. I will also -- I'm confident I
can work with Mr. Neff to determine -- excuse me, to identify
sort of the areas to begin with. So I would say three months
would be a good starting point.
THE COURT: All right. September 20 at 12 noon.
MS. CARVLIN: That is good, your Honor. Thank you.

You are right, it was 'only' 3 months.

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:33 pm

by smokebreaks

I cannot speak to that, but what I can tell you is this...

The federal prisons in these United States have been on lockdown for the past couple of months so inmates are pretty restricted as to what they can do, and where they can go.

Something about a prison strike.

You can google it if you’re really interested.

I’ve also got another associate who has also been arrested recently, for attempting to purchase a dangerous substance, from a currently operating “dark web” market.

Turns out the online persona that he engaged with to acquire the means to this end was a “online covert employee” of the US government and when he went to retrieve his parcel from the UPS store where he had it delivered he was apprehended and is currently being held without bond.

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:06 pm

by Oldjoints

Prisoners have little rights against whatever action officers and those running a prison deem necessary. Granted prisoners are there as punishment but much of what I have seen was very unethical and immoral.
You can read about the strike here:
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018 ... son-strike" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:17 pm

by AGD

smokebreaks wrote:I cannot speak to that, but what I can tell you is this...

The federal prisons in these United States have been on lockdown for the past couple of months so inmates are pretty restricted as to what they can do, and where they can go.

Something about a prison strike.

You can google it if you’re really interested.

I’ve also got another associate who has also been arrested recently, for attempting to purchase a dangerous substance, from a currently operating “dark web” market.

Turns out the online persona that he engaged with to acquire the means to this end was a “online covert employee” of the US government and when he went to retrieve his parcel from the UPS store where he had it delivered he was apprehended and is currently being held without bond.

So you say, that even though the judge orderded to let him have access to a laptop and all data 7 days a week for 3 months, they didn't give him said access in jail?

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:56 pm

by smokebreaks

AGD wrote:
So you say, that even though the judge orderded to let him have access to a laptop and all data 7 days a week for 3 months, they didn't give him said access in jail?

I cannot speak to that.

I can tell you that the place he's being housed, known as MDC Brooklyn, is described in the article below as "just a place to warehouse human beings" which doesn't sound like the judge's orders mean anything.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/14/martin- ... to-be.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:38 pm

by bentech

youd think anything that would get ALL the different prison gangs to work together would be news...

youd think...

edit -

news on the aftermath of that strike
prisoners were given 30 and 40 years extension to their sentence for facebook posts supporting the action

Black Agenda Radio, Week of November 5, 2018
https://www.blackagendareport.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:38 am

by Jesús Malverde

AGD wrote: So you say, that even though the judge orderded to let him have access to a laptop and all data 7 days a week for 3 months, they didn't give him said access in jail?

Judges aren't in the business of granting frivolous requests from defendants and their counsel, so the fact the RTC was granted broad access to discovery materials (presumably against the no doubt vigorous arguments of the prosecution) pretty strongly suggests that such unusual access was deemed necessary in this particular instance for the construction a proper defense of his case. The fact that such access to discovery is highly unusual actually only underlines the presumption of necessity here. Assuming he hasn't, for whatever reasons unrelated to his case such as prison conditions, been granted the access to discovery as the judge saw fit, also suggests that such a denial of such access would set up later arguments challenging the process that included denying him such access. That would in all likelihood in turn jeopardize the prosecution and its case, or at least open the door wide for avenues of appeal or even outright overturn or dismissal.

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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:19 am

by AlwaysBlue

I was remanded into Brooklyn MDC by a SDNY district court judge about 9 years ago and spent 65 days there. Got a good cellie who stayed with me for most of the time and minded his own business (alot of guys have new cellies every week or two). No violence to speak of, altho I heard some stories

Conditions were harsh but not unmanageable. Mainly extremely boring, only a couple of TVs and you need a radio to listen to them (which I got from commissary about two weeks in. Nothing to do, one trip to the MDC library a week and sleep, eat, shit and shower the rest of the time. Monopoly was a big game as was poker.

Kept my mouth shut and got out of there eventually. Some guys facing mad time, 30+ years and some immigration cases all bunched in together

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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:23 am

by smokebreaks

I really can’t speak to anything with regards to matters before the courts.

In any of the cases involving persons I actually know and associate with cases pending.

Wish I could.

I also have a lot of problems with the way things got to with unforeseen circumstances. We’ve got an upcoming financial crisis that is going to make things a real bumpy ride coming up as the world as we know it now, is soon to be turned upside down, through sanctions on Saudi Arabia and the atrocity they have committed in killing the journalist dissenter.

Things are going to escalate a lot more quickly now as the midterms are over with and Trump is throwing the US into a political circus, if not an all out crisis.

I don’t think this case is the DOJ’s first concern. In my opinion they’ve waited this long to convict, if they need to string it out and ask for a few orders of continuance before moving it toward a resolution I don’t think the SDNY is in any great matter worried about this case over any of the others on its docket.

I thank Giblet Muncher for posting the Pacer transcript cause I got a whole lot of other shit to deal with, Moms dementia, and working the gig economy and having overhead in excess of $20k monthly, I kinda have to remain focused on business.

Let me know when you find something interesting cause I’m prevented from any comments going forward.

Thank you for your understanding.

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:31 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote:
AGD wrote: So you say, that even though the judge orderded to let him have access to a laptop and all data 7 days a week for 3 months, they didn't give him said access in jail?
Judges aren't in the business of granting frivolous requests from defendants and their counsel, so the fact the RTC was granted broad access to discovery materials (presumably against the no doubt vigorous arguments of the prosecution) pretty strongly suggests that such unusual access was deemed necessary in this particular instance for the construction a proper defense of his case. The fact that such access to discovery is highly unusual actually only underlines the presumption of necessity here. Assuming he hasn't, for whatever reasons unrelated to his case such as prison conditions, been granted the access to discovery as the judge saw fit, also suggests that such a denial of such access would set up later arguments challenging the process that included denying him such access. That would in all likelihood in turn jeopardize the prosecution and its case, or at least open the door wide for avenues of appeal or even outright overturn or dismissal.

@smoke
Sorry to hear that you are going through hard times. Good luck.

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:47 am

by bentech

the access to discovery informations isn't unusual its the TIMELY access to it that's the deal

often it in the defendants best interest to refuse the courts request for the prosecution to 'have more time' and demand their case proceed to the court room immediately as common law insists

they make a good show of tricking the defense into thinking more time is to their advantage meanwhile the DA's office is scrambling to make sense of all the information it has to work with

i would think that given the case was made years ago delays henceforth are mostly to the advantage of the defendant

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:29 am

by Oldjoints

The granting of an incarcerated person 24/7 access to discovery is very rare. A defendant can’t deny prosecution more time, the best he can do is object to the request which I have never seen happen to prosecution.
In my case I was going to mount a defense that I was breeding and why I had as many plants as I did, and not for the purpose of sales. The prosecution stated that they had no pictures of the plants that were all numbered and labeled even though I saw them taking said pictures. Nothing my lawyer said made a difference to the court and my access to discovery of those photos were never granted.
By the letter of the law you are correct Ben but in reality it rarely works that way unless you have a great deal of money and a lawyer that cares and willing to work hard for you or a high profile case where every action is seen by all.
I had neither and most don’t.

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:33 pm

by smokebreaks

@AGD, thanks... it’s mostly a pain in the ass these days because watching the only parent you have left lose their marbles is a real downer. Trying to make sure my elderly mother is always taken care of while dealing with all the related aspects of normal life and business operations gets to be a bit of a challenge.

This year we’re entering our 25th year of being an independently owned and operated entity, and if I didn’t have a shit ton of other responsibilities I’d be all over this PoM saga on an everyday quest to keep up with the everyday court happenings.

Unfortunately I haven’t got much free time to dedicate to staying abreast of what’s going on in regards to Mongoose’s world. I’m headed into year 2 of a “5 year plan” that l put in motion to provide a lifetime of future security for my family while Cheetolini is picking fights with everyone from the Chinese to the Federal Reserve, and raising the costs of business for a lot of the stuff I do has really started to eat into the profitability for many of the markets in which I operate.

Watching helplessly as this asshole POTUS drives the world back into the ditch that Bush couldn’t avoid hitting either really wasn’t something I had ever expected to have to deal with, fortunately we’ve been here before and made it through the last time so I’m confident we can navigate these uncharted waters.

For the people who maybe aren’t paying close attention, just need to look back at what happened to the US and world economy when Nixon was forced out in the 1970’s.

Buckle up because these next two years are going to be quite rough if what I sense is going to happen becomes our reality.

The case is being made now on the world stage that the US government is a paper tiger and with claims of “stepping up and increasing pressures” on those who are still working with the Iranian oil sales burse, while at the same time, supposedly going to start holding Saudi Arabia accountable for their lawlessness, doesn’t bode well for the average people who have to live with the repercussions.

If you’re in the states you may remember last year? when the worlds largest oil refinery, Port Au Prince was taken over by the country that just hacked a journalist into pieces with a bonesaw while he was still alive in a consulate office.

I believe we need to be prepared for a similar fate like the fallout after the Archduke Ferdinand’s death a century ago.

Mongoose being stuck in storage while all this shit hits the fan is not something I can do anything about.

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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:38 pm

by Jesús Malverde

smokebreaks wrote:Cheetolini

I prefer Cheeto Benito, it rolls off the tongue.

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:14 am

by AGD

Last part of the Railroaded series is onine and it includes the PoM parts. Chapter 17 (How many DPR`s) is missing.

In addition to the corruption perpetrated by Force and Bridges, a more sinister and violent element was at play in the Silk Road case but had escaped Haun’s notice. When Ross was arrested and Silk Road taken offline, Roger Clark, whom the government believed was a “senior adviser” to DPR, was just returning to his home in Thailand.[20-19] Clark revealed that, six months later, a “rogue, highly placed member of the FBI” anonymously contacted him online.[20-20]

The agent insisted on being called Chrysippus, after a Greek Stoic philosopher. He told Clark “the name was *very* important to him,” Clark recounted, “and he’d get pissed when I wouldn’t use it.” He said he had stolen a Bitcoin wallet from the evidence in the Silk Road case that had “well over 300,000″ bitcoins in it. However, the wallet was encrypted so he needed the password to get the funds. He speculated that either Clark or Ross had the password, or each had half of it.
According to Clark, Chrysippus had a “long-term well thought out plan to get access to” the wallet. He told Clark that “the odds were…[Ross] was going to be sentenced to between forty years and life.” Chrysippus would wait for Ross to be transferred out of the New York detention center to a penitentiary where he was going to “work on getting people inside the facility…to arrange it so he could communicate with Ross.” He would then get Clark to somehow convince Ross to give up the pass-phrase he believed Ross had.
Clark was skeptical, so to prove that he was as deep inside the investigation as he claimed, Chrysippus began feeding him tidbits of information that only an insider would know. These culminated in late October 2014 when he revealed that Force and Bridges were being investigated for corruption and gave Clark “lots of details” about the “current state of the grand jury investigation into them.”

However, as covered previously, Turner kept Force’s involvement under seal and out of Ross’s trial and hid Bridges’s existence entirely. Chrysippus became frustrated that his proof was taking so long to be revealed and Clark “teased him unmercifully” about it, which “made him…livid.” Chrysippus wrote long rants, assuring Clark that “Force and…Bridges were going to be arrested any…day.”
“He would kidnap Ross’s sister, or mother, or ideally both. Get a video capable phone in front of Ross, and he’d give up that…pass phrase, or he would have them tortured until he did.”
Then one day Crysippus did something new. He signed off on one of his frustrated rants with the initials “cwt,” with two dashes before it:
“–cwt.” Clark waited until they were chatting in real-time and confronted him with the slip-up. Chrysippus became “flustered” and tried to change the subject, but Clark kept “bringing it back around.” Eventually Chrysippus claimed cwt stood for “carat, as in the unit for measuring the weight of diamonds.” From then on, despite the pride he held for the name Chryssipus, he now insisted on being called “Diamond.”
When the corruption of Force and Bridges was finally revealed, Chryssipus (now Diamond) was ecstatic. “He kept wanting me to follow this link, or that link, or read this article,” Clark posted. “I…allowed him to send me a few snippets of articles and court filings and whatnot, that confirmed the details of what he had been telling me. Later I did a bit of digging around on my own and discovered that, for all his hubris, Chrysippus managed to leave out one of Force’s major [mistakes].”

As previously mentioned, Force had signed a message to DPR—presumably out of habit—with his first name, Carl, while posing as French Maid. “Little bells went off in my head,” Clark said. “I could see Diamond, as Chryssipus, doing the exact same thing when he was all excited and pissed off I wasn’t taking him seriously. No doubt in my mind now. Chrysippus was going to figure in who Diamond was, and so will –cwt. Diamond was just a quick response to the situation, and he insisted on using it exclusively now.”

Even with proof that Chrysippus was a high-level FBI agent, Clark didn’t trust him and wasn’t going to go along with his plan. “I was for the first time really worried that [he] was going to try and force me to do his bidding, or kill me.” Clark heard about “four men moving about the island, asking about [him],” so he fled Thailand. When he told Chrysippus that he had evaded his men, he “went mental and started going on about his backup plan,” Clark said. “He would kidnap [Ross’s] sister, or mother, or ideally both. Get a video capable phone in front of [Ross], and he’d give up that…pass phrase, [or he] would have them tortured until he did. I had his bonafides by now and knew him well enough to know he was serious about this.”

On May 11, 2015, just weeks before Ross was sentenced, Clark emailed Turner showing him the inside information on Force and Bridges that Chrysippus had given him and asked for a meeting. He tracked the email and saw that Turner had read it, but he never got a response. Clark then tried to track down Chrysippus himself, to stop him, but toward the end of May he decided Chysippus would, in fact, go through with his plan. “I concentrated on the ‘I convince Ross to give me the pass-phrase’ version, but he was still going to plan the kidnappings.”

Once again, Clark emailed Turner, even though Chrysippus had threatened his life if he had “any dealings with the U.S. justice system in any form.” Again the email was read, and again Turner ignored him.
With Clark’s story public, many on the internet speculated on the identity of Chrysippus.
Desperate, on September 27, 2015, Clark went public with the entire story, posting a synopsis along with proof of the emails he sent Turner.[20-21] “Someone has to make sure he doesn’t succeed in kidnapping Ross’s sister and/or his mother,” Clark wrote, “and it would be kind of swell of them to make sure Ross doesn’t come to any harm…as well.”
Dratel immediately wrote Turner about the threat to Ross’s family. Turner did not confirm or deny Clark’s information.[20-22] With Clark’s story public, many on the internet speculated on the rogue FBI agent’s identity. They noticed that, despite being the name of an ancient Greek stoic, Chrysippus sounds a lot like the modern name “Chris.” They also pointed out that Chris Tarbell’s middle name is William, so his initials are “cwt.”[20-23][20-24]

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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:41 pm

by Jesús Malverde

You read it all here first. Years ago, or it just seems like it, from the 'goose's mouth (or fingers I guess).

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:10 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote:You read it all here first. Years ago, or it just seems like it, from the 'goose's mouth (or fingers I guess).

PoM was in contact with Lyn Ulbricht.

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:11 am

by Nov15th

Woah. I have been busy with other things and have only just caught up with all this due to a bout of insomnia, but I followed quite a bit of this saga out of nosiness back circa, 2 Years, 6 Months, 23 Days ago. Bigger picture-wise, I guess that the US gov has extradited Gary Davis (Libertas from Silk Road) and PoM just to bury all chance of Ross Ulbricht ever getting out of prison or being found not guilty at some point. There's a lot of other factors: Gary just pled guilty so might have taken a deal to testify against PoM. The other moderator, Inigo, agreed to testify against Ross, although they didn't use him in the end, and appears to have gone awol, so perhaps went into witness protection, ditto DEFCON, who was the admin of Silk Road 2 and then agreed to co-operate and disappeared.

What's interesting to me is, I have always wondered if St Exo / aka DPR2/ aka (I suspect) Oracle trying to create an almighty amount of confusion, was also... PoM?

See here:-

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/06/29/s ... s-memoirs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oracle also loved to post threats https://antilop.cc/sr/users/oracle/mess ... e_soon.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and yarns https://antilop.cc/sr/users/oracle/mess ... e_soon.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and had a habit of making people wait for set time frames to hear their important news:

https://antilop.cc/sr/users/oracle/mess ... _Light.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One thing is for sure: When the trial goes to court Thomas is going to confuse the fuck out of the prosecution and his own defence that's for sure. He's had all this time to think about it.

I wonder how long until that helicopter turns up in the prison yard to get him and Ross?

Whatever happens, I sincerely hope that Ulbricht is freed before he dies and that PoM remains physically fit and well. I'm fairly certain that both men will die in prison, which is a shame. Just think what those two minds could have come up with had prohibition never existed?

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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:12 am

by Nov15th

AGD wrote:
Jesús Malverde wrote:You read it all here first. Years ago, or it just seems like it, from the 'goose's mouth (or fingers I guess).
PoM was in contact with Lyn Ulbricht.

I don't know if that's true; but he certainly scared the shit out of her with that kidnapping story.

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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:36 pm

by AGD

Nov15th wrote:Woah. I have been busy with other things and have only just caught up with all this due to a bout of insomnia, but I followed quite a bit of this saga out of nosiness back circa, 2 Years, 6 Months, 23 Days ago. Bigger picture-wise, I guess that the US gov has extradited Gary Davis (Libertas from Silk Road) and PoM just to bury all chance of Ross Ulbricht ever getting out of prison or being found not guilty at some point. There's a lot of other factors: Gary just pled guilty so might have taken a deal to testify against PoM. The other moderator, Inigo, agreed to testify against Ross, although they didn't use him in the end, and appears to have gone awol, so perhaps went into witness protection, ditto DEFCON, who was the admin of Silk Road 2 and then agreed to co-operate and disappeared.

What's interesting to me is, I have always wondered if St Exo / aka DPR2/ aka (I suspect) Oracle trying to create an almighty amount of confusion, was also... PoM?

See here:-

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/06/29/s ... s-memoirs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oracle also loved to post threats https://antilop.cc/sr/users/oracle/mess ... e_soon.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and yarns https://antilop.cc/sr/users/oracle/mess ... e_soon.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and had a habit of making people wait for set time frames to hear their important news:

https://antilop.cc/sr/users/oracle/mess ... _Light.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One thing is for sure: When the trial goes to court Thomas is going to confuse the fuck out of the prosecution and his own defence that's for sure. He's had all this time to think about it.

I wonder how long until that helicopter turns up in the prison yard to get him and Ross?

Whatever happens, I sincerely hope that Ulbricht is freed before he dies and that PoM remains physically fit and well. I'm fairly certain that both men will die in prison, which is a shame. Just think what those two minds could have come up with had prohibition never existed?

PoM seemed to implicate, that he was not the Silk Road Variety Jones. By now what the prosecution has against him, is a scan of his (unsigned) passport on Russ Ulbrichts computer and a 'Plural of Mongoose' mentioning in Ross Ulbrichts journal. I can't wait to see additional proof.

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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:19 am

by AGD

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... ce_update/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As many people know, Roger Thomas Clark was a main character in the story of the Silk Road marketplace, and was arrested in Thailand in 2015, and earlier this year (2018) he was extradited to the US to face trial. He's had a pretrial conference since then on June 19, and another one on September 20. Here's the details of the September 20th pretrial conference.

Roger Thomas Clark is currently held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. (Ross Ulbricht was initially held there then moved to the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York during his trial).

Because of the huge volume of discovery data, they're taking the rare step at the MDC of providing him was a special laptop with access to electronic discover seven days a week, instead of the typical 3-4 hours per week. The laptop itself has been disabled from accessing the internet.

The current information in the Government's possession is between 10-12 terabytes, and was obtained through the devices that were obtained from Clark during the search warrant. Three of those devices are still encrypted and efforts are ongoing to decrypt them.

Clark's council Stephanie Carvlin asked for more time to get through the material, so the next pretrial conference is scheduled for January 25, 2019. Jury selection and trial scheduled for September 23rd, 2019.

The government estimates the trial will take three weeks, based on how long the Ulbricht trial lasted.

Carvlin mentioned the possibility of "alternate disposition of the case" which I assume means a possible plea deal.

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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 am

by deran

10 - 12 TB ?

wtf r they doing, collecting porn ? this makes no sense at all

but yay for the 3 encrypted drives

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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:42 am

by OzFreelancer

Nov15th wrote: What's interesting to me is, I have always wondered if St Exo / aka DPR2/ aka (I suspect) Oracle trying to create an almighty amount of confusion, was also... PoM?

I asked him (PoM) this question outright. He denied it

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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:05 pm

by Utah-Pride

Mongoose's wife, Nikki, dropped out of sight about 6 weeks ago.

Anyone know anything?

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:46 am

by smokebreaks

Utah-Pride wrote:Mongoose's wife, Nikki, dropped out of sight about 6 weeks ago.

Anyone know anything?

Who’s asking?

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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:03 am

by Oldjoints

It’s the weekend he is probably not “on duty”.

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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:47 am

by Nov15th

AGD wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/commen ... ce_update/

[quote
Clark's council Stephanie Carvlin asked for more time to get through the material, so the next pretrial conference is scheduled for January 25, 2019. Jury selection and trial scheduled for September 23rd, 2019.

The government estimates the trial will take three weeks, based on how long the Ulbricht trial lasted.

Carvlin mentioned the possibility of "alternate disposition of the case" which I assume means a possible plea deal.

Gah. For his sake, I hope he doesn't opt for a trial. Just based on my own very distant knowledge of the US non-justice system, which admittedly, is mostly formed via TV shows and stuff I've read online.

Whatever his role, even if he was every single person involved in Silk Road ever, he doesn't deserve to die in prison. It's crazy this entire thing has rumbled on for so long.

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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:59 am

by Nov15th

OzFreelancer wrote:
Nov15th wrote: What's interesting to me is, I have always wondered if St Exo / aka DPR2/ aka (I suspect) Oracle trying to create an almighty amount of confusion, was also... PoM?
I asked him (PoM) this question outright. He denied it

Which part did you ask? If he was St Exo? - He really missed his vocation in life, he should have been a writer. Talking of which, I'm thinking about buying your latest book I've got your first one, I hope it does get optioned and becomes a TV show. I'm really impressed that you went on that epic journey from Oz to Bangkok to the UK meeting everyone from La Moustache to Gary Davis. I always assumed La Moustache was based, I dunno, not in the UK I guess.

Which one was the most wildly different to how you imagined in your head?... Which was the most interesting? Is it all in the book?

I met ONE person from SR in RL, it was interesting, we got wrecked and chatting shit about stuff but it was beyond bizarre talking about people from the internet in person. Also, they made me call him by their screen name. Lol. #OPSEC

Then a few months later they messaged out of the blue and asked if I would lend them a few thousand pounds, I politely declined. Never heard from them again;

I'm glad curiosity didn't get the cat though.

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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:48 pm

by OzFreelancer

Nov15th wrote:
OzFreelancer wrote:
Nov15th wrote: What's interesting to me is, I have always wondered if St Exo / aka DPR2/ aka (I suspect) Oracle trying to create an almighty amount of confusion, was also... PoM?
I asked him (PoM) this question outright. He denied it

Which part did you ask? If he was St Exo?

I accused him of being Oracle et al

Talking of which, I'm thinking about buying your latest book I've got your first one

,

Thank you

TBH the new one is honestly a much better read. Had a publisher with much less paranoid lawyers

Which one was the most wildly different to how you imagined in your head?... Which was the most interesting? Is it all in the book?

None were all that different to what I expected. Gary Davis was much nicer than I thought he would be

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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:32 pm

by Jesús Malverde

https://www.varietyjones.ie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; New restaurant opened in Dublin called "Variety Jones".

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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:33 am

by bentech

don't see no chicken on their menu...

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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:06 am

by smokebreaks

Looks as though they do offer follie grax

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:33 am

by AlwaysBlue

any news on PoM?

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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:36 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Anyone else knew that VJ apparently ran multiple bars in Thailand? That's what Aaron Higgs, who named his restaurant in Dublin Variety Jones claims-

And the name? It throws up some interesting Google results. Variety Jones was the alias of a man who helped run a dark net drugs operation called the Silk Road. Aaron worked in one of his bars in Thailand.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-sty ... -1.3754868" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does Clark strike you as someone with the organizational competence to own and run multiple public establishments? Yeah, me either.

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:25 am

by Munchy

well if money were not an issue... you probably wouldn't need to run them yourself... just buy them, hire some managers and a supervisor. then all you really need to run, would be that guy.

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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:34 am

by bentech

ive noticed that owners fail to manage their managers often

I can see pom as valuable in an organization.

if your smart you set things up so your people can steal a little
its prevents them from stealing alot

i dont see pom as a man to have blown the horde the state claims he made

as him dont being able to afford a good attorney would indicate if hes who they say he is...

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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:58 am

by AGD

Here is another piece about the name of the 'Variety Jones' restaurant.
https://www.independent.ie/life/review- ... 40597.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Variety Jones, by the by, is the pseudonym of a nice chap that Higgs' father met in Thailand, who later turned out to be a key figure associated with the dark web.

LAW OFFICE OFSTEPHANIE M. CARVLIN, ESQ.140 Broadway, Suite 4610New York, New York 10005S T E P H A N I E M . C A R V L I N , E S Q . T E L E P H O N E : 2 1 2 - 7 4 8 - 1 6 3 6fax: 212-858-7750e-mail: carvlin® hotmail^comJuly 15, 2019Honorable William H. PauleyUnited State District CourtSouthern District of New York500 Pearl StreetNewYork, NY 10007Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark15-cr-866(WHP)

Dear Judge Pauley:At the last status conference in this case on March 22, 2019, Your Honordirected the defense (and the government at its option) to submit a letter to theCourt describing the progress of the defense since the last appearance. TheCourt also asked the defense to indicate whether we are developing a sense ofwhat motions we may want to make "without committing!.]" (Transcript of March22, 2019, conference at 9.) This letter is submitted in response to the Court'sdirection.Since March 22, 2019, the defense has continued to make progress inreviewing the discovery and in making the discovery available to Mr. Clark in aformat that makes it possible for him to review the material efficiently. Problemshave arisen over the last year concerning Mr. Clark's access to the material atthe MDC, which have been based on staffing and security considerations.Through ongoing discussions with the legal staff at the MDC, and with thegovernment's assistance, we have solved the vast majority of theseimpediments. Mr. Clark reports that he now has regular access to the material inthe East Building of the MDC. While reviewing the discovery in the East Building(he is housed in the West Building and must be brought over to the East Buildingby staff to review the material) he is now being given food, water and access tobathroom facilities in the East Building. This makes it possible for him to spendlonger periods of time looking through the discovery. Additionally, through CJAfunds approved by the Court, I have been able to use the services of a paralegalto help Mr. Clark review the material and to assist him in obtaining legal materialshe believes relevant to his defense.One problem remains, which I believe we have resolved. Some of thematerial that it appears likely that the government will rely on at trial wasrecovered from a laptop seized from Ross Ulbricht. What I deemed to be themost pertinent of this material I made available to Mr. Clark on DVD or in hardcopies. Thus, he is able to review it (and has been I initially provided it in August,September and November of 2019). However, there are some "files" on theUlbricht laptop that cannot be reviewed with the programs that currently areinstalled on the computers at the MDC or on the laptop I provided to Mr. Clark.After consulting with a computer forensic expert I have now identified whatprograms will have to be installed either on the MDC computers or on Mr. Clark'slaptop to make all the material from the Ulbricht laptop readily available to Mr.Clark. Again, the government and defense have worked jointly to try to reach asolution that the MDC will approve. There are two or three options that will meetthe MDC's security concerns, and I expect to be able to provide Mr. Clark withaccess to this material within a month. Again, I have made and given Mr. Clarkcopies (hard copies or electronic copies on CD/DVD) of the material from theUlbricht laptop that I believe is significant to the defense. The other material,which Mr. Clark wants to be able to review himself, should be available to himshortly.Since the March 22, 2019, conference the defense has also consideredwhat motions would be appropriate in this case. While we cannot provide adefinite answer until we have done additional legal research (and my investigatorhas completed certain tasks), we do anticipate making a motion to dismiss theindictment on various grounds. I believe the defense will also make motions tosuppress the contents of servers that were seized in Iceland, in Pennsylvaniaand in California, as well as the contents of Mr. Ulbricht's laptop. Devices wereseized from Mr. Clark in Thailand (laptops, external drives, a camera, etc.). I willmove to suppress the contents of those devices also.I am confident that I will be in a position to file motions - and Mr. Clark willbe in a position to participate fully in that process - by the Fall. I therefore believethat it would be appropriate for the Court to set a motion schedule at the July 18,2019, conference. After consultation with the government, I request that theCourt order the following: defense motions by October 31, 2019; thegovernment's response due on or before December 12, 2019; Defense reply bvDecember 26, 2019.
Respectfully submitted

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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:27 am

by smokebreaks

There’s a couple of files that are unable to be viewed on the PACER system or at least it tells me that I don’t have access.

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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:03 am

by Jesús Malverde

Assuming a trial takes place, I sure hope there will be at least one interested reporter taking note of the events as the trial unfolds. It seems so far off the press radar right now that there may be nobody in the press present to report the trial.

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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:01 pm

by Roots

We should all make a deal....if any of us ever get his bitcoin wallet I get 5%.

This post is legally binding in all 50 states.

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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:41 am

by Munchy

here's wishing PoM a Merry & Free Christmas

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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:49 am

by Roots

...and my 5% cut.....

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm

by Nov15th

Hi all,

I hope you're all well and enjoying summer.

It's very quiet in here?! Are you all just busy?

I thought I would drop in for my bi-annual check up into PoM news.

'Not sure if anyone cares about this really, but a while ago I was speculating that PoM was also St Exo / DPR2 on Silk Road/ Silk Road 2. It turns out that he was not, and that the person who was has been tried in the UK courts and sentenced. He's the reason that SR2 admin Defcon got off so lightly, he most probably agreed to testify at Sx Exo's trial but there have been reporting restrictions in the UK in place for the past five years or whatever while the trial was on progress so none of us knew that St Exo had been caught. He was busted in his home town Liverpool in the UK and was only 23. I really thought he was older. Totally vile and disgusting piece of work he is, you can read the news articles online if you're interested in this part of the SR saga. Here is one:

https://coinspice.io/news/alleged-silk- ... -4-months/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anyway! What's interesting to me is that without the St Exo connection that PoM basically just gave Ulbricht advice and had his ego fluffed in return by a fairly n00bish stoner kid. Other than act as an older, more experienced advice giver/ Agony uncle type PoM really didn't do all that much by the looks of it. I suppose we'll learn more during his trial.

He wasn't a dealer, he didn't program or develop the site, he just gave Ulbricht advice (really terrible and ridiculous advice at times) and helped with things like hiring developers and writing up the text for competitions etc for the forum. So it's terrible really, just from poking his nose in and meddling here and there he's now up on conspiracy charges, so he faces some awfully stiff charges and a long sentence (most probably) yet he didn't even sell on the site?! I mean, he just came along once it was all up and running and poked his nose into Ulbricht's IMs. He even tried to hint to Ulbricht "who he was" one day, I remember reading some of their chats that were posted online and the silly old sausage said to Ulbricht (I just went and looked this up on another site): “I was, and am, Plural of Mongoose,” he wrote. “Folks who know and love me, it's Mongoose.” - Lol, again with the ego tripping him up. Ulbricht had no idea who or what a Mongoose was, but apparently it later helped - in part - the 3 letter agencies to figure out who he was when they were dotting i's and crossing t's.

We really do live in a crazy world.

What I wondered was, have any of you written to him or do you have any other updates? I hope he's doing ok. He must be pretty traumatised.

Gwern, who moderates the Silk Road subreddit, said there's nothing in any of the recent files on Pacer about Diamond etc. Maybe he made that up for attention or to try and put the feds off from prosecuting and ending up with yet another trial with corrupt agents. Who knows what was going through his mind. That shit about Mrs Ulbricht being kidnapped was pretty twisted, that poor woman has been through enough.

I have no doubt that PoM has lots of faults - as we all do - but I don't believe that he should end his days in a US prison. He should be writing his long-winded tales from a bungalow in Thailand with a spliff hanging out of his mouth. It's such a sad end to his story. I suppose we will have to wait until 2020 to find out how it all ends.

Worse, knowing what I know of PoM, which admittedly isn't much, all I know is from reading his posts here, his ego most likely won't allow him to cop a plea deal in return for a guilty plea. So if he goes to trial, like Ulbricht did, he will just end up with a horribly long sentence.

This summer Ulbricbt tried to claim that his lawyer at his trial was incompetent because he didn't ever explain to him that he would have been better off just pleading out.

Copy and paste:

In June, Ulbricht submitted a declaration in New York in which he claimed lawyer Joshua Dratel advised him badly about his prospects of winning at trial if he pleaded not guilty:

“Trial counsel recommended I reject the government’s offer because the sentencing exposure was too great, there was nothing to be gained by pleading guilty, and nothing to lose by going to trial…Trial counsel never told me that 97% of all federal defendants plead guilty because most defense attorneys…typically consider going to trial too risky and…likely to result in a harsher sentence (the “trial penalty”) if the defendant is convicted…I was not told that in 2012 and 2013…90% of those who went to trial were convicted at trial…I was not informed that fewer than 1% of federal criminal defendants in the United States were found not guilty in 2012 or 2013.”

I totally believe that Dratel was a shit lawyer for Ross. This article below says it all really.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... stigation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems crazy that PoM is going that same route, but maybe he knows he's screwed anyway so fancied a final hurrah and some press attention before he does his time. I will watch with interest - it seems mad to think that his initial 6 years, 3 months, 4 weeks etc ago post here will have been made very nearly six years ago by the time he has his trial. If I've understood correctly, Ross had his doxx on his seized laptop along with everyone else's so it seems strange that this has all taken so long to unfold. I expect a few more twists before all this is done.

Right, that's my rambling over for now. To sign off I will use a couple of his favourite smilies.

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:03 pm

by Lrus007

thanks for the update

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:55 pm

by Munchy

I don't recall if what I consider to be the core of the evidence in this case has really been discussed... that being, what sort of evidence is it that an online entity messaged or chatted online that he was PoM? anyone could've simply written that as a mis-direction tactic.

regardless of whether PoM ever posted an image of his ID on any other site(s) (which he may well have, as I'm sure we can certainly all recall that he posted what were allegedly a bunch of his passports) or how someone else may have gotten the image to transmit, even messaging an image of an ID card should be inadmissible in court, as it does not legitimately prove a culprits identity, unless if it was recorded on a video like skype showing his face to go with the card. If you show someone your ID, they are supposed to see your face and be sure it matches up.

it seems to me that they would need to further prove the alleged identity by other means, such as maybe an IP, if that would even be enough, as it still may not prove that he was the actual user at the time and IP location, but I don't recall even seeing an IP on the logs was there? do you think they would have that? if not, I don't see how the logs can reasonably be considered as proof of valid identity.

hell, spoofing and mimicking other online posters wording and such for fun and sport used to be quite a regular occurrence on these sites, and I vividly recall a most excellent rendition by the nick of Mongooses™. so this seems to me as a very weak link in their case, so if that's all they've got is some fool in a chat message claiming to be PoM, to prove that Mr Clark was the actual user of the variety jones handle, he should certainly go free by Christmas... eh.

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Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:17 am

by Nov15th

Munchy wrote:I don't recall if what I consider to be the core of the evidence in this case has really been discussed... that being, what sort of evidence is it that an online entity messaged or chatted online that he was PoM? anyone could've simply written that as a mis-direction tactic.

regardless of whether PoM ever posted an image of his ID on any other site(s) (which he may well have, as I'm sure we can certainly all recall that he posted what were allegedly a bunch of his passports) or how someone else may have gotten the image to transmit, even messaging an image of an ID card should be inadmissible in court, as it does not legitimately prove a culprits identity, unless if it was recorded on a video like skype showing his face to go with the card. If you show someone your ID, they are supposed to see your face and be sure it matches up.

it seems to me that they would need to further prove the alleged identity by other means, such as maybe an IP, if that would even be enough, as it still may not prove that he was the actual user at the time and IP location, but I don't recall even seeing an IP on the logs was there? do you think they would have that? if not, I don't see how the logs can reasonably be considered as proof of valid identity.

hell, spoofing and mimicking other online posters wording and such for fun and sport used to be quite a regular occurrence on these sites, and I vividly recall a most excellent rendition by the nick of Mongooses™. so this seems to me as a very weak link in their case, so if that's all they've got is some fool in a chat message claiming to be PoM, to prove that Mr Clark was the actual user of the variety jones handle, he should certainly go free by Christmas... eh.

Usually I would agree with you, but having watched Ross Ulbricht's trial unfold, it seems that the US courts tend to get the results they want.

Theoretically all the evidence is just PoM's messages back and forth with Ross. They could easily have been faked and edited. But with these SR cases they're going to extremes to nail their guys, I suppose because they don't want everyone to be able to say, 'Oh but it was online! you don't have my IP, how do you know it was definitely me?'. It seems mad that they're able to do this, but the other guys in the case have all been found guilty - none walked.

It would be nice if he was free by Xmas, but I do have a sinking feeling that he won't be.

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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:13 am

by AGD

Ulbricht had no idea who or what a Mongoose was, but apparently it later helped - in part - the 3 letter agencies to figure out who he was when they were dotting i's and crossing t's.

It wasn't the 3 letters who found this out. It was LaMoustache who did this research, which he has released here: https://antilop.cc/sr/#jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I am not even sure if the 3 letters were actually going after him at that point.
The reason why he is in jail right now are several emails written by PoM to Assistant United States Attorney Serrin Turner, that basically says 'Please, come and get me!'

To me this action makes no sense, unless there is some truth in the Diamond story.
If he was in fact VJ, there was no reason to write these emails, because he knew he would be facing the same punishment as Ross U. VJ probably would flee.
Imagine LaMoustache's research falsely spat out your name. Would you write emails to the USG to arrest you on a tropical island to put you in jail? I probably would rather move silently to another place if I get to know this or - since I probably can, without a doubt, prove I was NOT VJ - I might try to resolve this issue with the USG, which could turn out to be very very risky.

In his postings here on MPG PoM seemed to induce, that he was in jail at the time, when some of the VJ action took place. Let's say he CAN prove, that he could not be VJ. Is it possible he wants to present this ace up his sleeve in movie style on a big stage? (some people here would say, that this action would fit exactly to the PoM persona)

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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:36 pm

by Roots

Any update on my bitcoin wallet..?

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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:05 pm

by rSin

still phishing for it!

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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:44 am

by user_1138

AGD wrote:
...unless there is some truth in the Diamond story.

I seem to think there is *some* truth to this story. There seems to be much behind --cwt (not chris tarbell) / Shawn Bridges / Serrin Turner threads that are not going to come to light absent whistleblower disclosures. It is noted in the "Railroaded" write-up about the vast array of corruption Bridges is involved in. Methinks there is sooooo much more to be learned about the SR case of corrupt gov officials.

https://freeross.com/railroaded" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; [scroll towards the bottom]

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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:49 am

by Munchy

user_1138 wrote:https://freeross.com/railroaded [scroll towards the bottom]

WARNING: that link seems to be malicious!

"Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from freeross.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).
NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID "

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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:18 am

by smokebreaks

It's just a bad certificate Munchy...

Update -- Defense motions due by October 31, 2019 --

Status conference in November and it looks like trial tentatively May 4, 2020.. Defense expects it to take a week.

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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:26 pm

by Roots

Just let me know when I’m needed to turn that crypto wallet into cash.

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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:14 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Meanwhile Variety Jones in Dublin just got a Michelin star

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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:12 am

by Munchy

cool! I didn't realize they were inter-continental. hopefully as the rubber meats the road they'll get a lot of traction from that and have an extra good year, then maybe they'll get a Pirelli star too! but hey don't mind me, I'm just feeling flat out tired right now...

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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:01 am

by AGD

There are a lot of new docs on https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Unfortunately one has to buy them on Pacer. Somebody here with an account and able to buy?

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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:15 am

by AGD

Some of the docs have been released as a free download.
The one written by PoM is certainly interesting, because he admits he was the person known as Variety Jones:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ----------------x UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, V. ROGER THOMAS CLARK, Defendant. -----------------x DECLARATION Indictment No. 15-cr -866 (WH P)I, ROGER THOMAS CLARK, declare under penalty of perjury, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §1746, that the following is true and correct: 1. I am the defendant in this prosecution pending against me for my participation inthe Silk Road website.2. In February of 2011, I became aware of Silk Road.3. I visited the site on several occasions before signing up as a member.4. My initial contact with the site was as a purchaser of marijuana.5. In September of 2011. I began to communicate with the administrator of the site,who later assumed the name the Dread Pirate Roberts ("DPR").6.Soon after I began to use Silk Road I noticed a vulnerability in the method usedto handle Bitcoin transactions that potentially made it possible for someone tohack into the site and steal Bitcoins. I told DPR about the problem and helpedconfigure the website's code to prevent others from gaining unauthorized accessto the server.7. Over the course of the following months, we developed a mentor-protegerelationship. DPR had no formal training in computer coding. I provided advice on1 Case 1:15-cr-00866-WHP Document 35 Filed 10/31/19 Page 1 of 5
the technical aspects of running the site. I helped him hire and manage anexperienced programmer. The programmer and I assisted DPR in developingcomputer code and maintaining Silk Road's technical infrastructure.8. By mid-2011, I was devoting the majority of my time to participating with DPR inrunning Silk Road.9. In 2012 I became de facto head of marketing. I dreamed up and ran promotionsfor the site.10. I often developed ideas for changing and improving the technical structure of thesite to make it easier for users to access. I helped DPR redesign the portion ofthe site the users interacted with - the marketplace and forums and wiki pages -to make the interfaces less confusing and more appealing to the users.11. Together DPR and I developed ideas on how to expand the Silk Road brand intoother areas and how to improve the site.12. Often I paid for equipment we needed to run the site and paid the salary of someof the employees.13. Instead of seeking reimbursement for the extensive amount of time I wasworking on the website and the money I was spending, I agreed to take anownership interest in the business. I was never paid a wage.14. By February of 2013 until the site was closed in October of 2013, I was a part-owner of Silk Road.15. DPR and I did not always agree on the policies and procedures for how the siteshould be run. For example, we had a disagreement about whether buyers andsellers should be able to conduct transactions outside the escrow system. TheCase 1:15-cr-00866-WHP Document 35 Filed 10/31/19 Page 2 of 5
general rule was that buyers would have to deposit Bitcoin to pay for theirtransactions in the Silk Road escrow account. The Bitcoin would be released tothe vendor when the transaction was confirmed. DPR wanted to permit sometransactions to take place outside the escrow system. We argued about this.DPR ultimately agreed to do things my way.16. When we disagreed about a policy or practice, my view often prevailed. WhileDPR was the originator of the site, and continued to hold a greater interest in itthan I, we became partners.17. I also was chiefly responsible for making sure that what occurred on the websitewould remain private. For example, Silk Road was operated on what is known as"The Onion Router" or "Tor" network.18. Tor - The Onion Router - is an Internet browser that encrypts data and thentransmits it randomly through multiple relays or nodes. The last node appears asthe origination point of the data, thereby obscuring and making it impossible todetermine the actual IP address of the sender. To access Silk Road a user wasrequired to download the Tor software. The user could then access the homepage of Silk Road. To enter the site a user had to enter a registered user nameand password.19. All payments made through Silk Road had to be paid for in Bitcoin, ananonymous currency, which could not be traced to the user. Silk Road also had aBitcoin tumbler to process the Bitcoin transactions to make the tracking ofindividual transactions impossible.Case 1:15-cr-00866-WHP Document 35 Filed 10/31/19 Page 3 of 5
20. I believed that what took place on the website would remain private. I intended that it would remain private.21. When I was arrested in Thailand on December 3, 2015, members of the Royal Thai Police entered my home, restrained me and immediately began to search my residence.22. Although they were already searching my home, they asked me to sign a consent form that would authorize them to seize several items that belonged to me, including the following:•a silver and black Acer Aspire laptop (serial# NXM2RST013223110F1200);•a silver MacBook Pro laptop (serial # C02HN0WNDV7P);•a black Hewlett Packard Presario CQ60 with USB dongle inserted (serial #2CE843138V);•a Seagate Barracuda LP hard drive (Serial# 5YD265A1);•a black and blue Transcend thumb drive (8 GB);•two Micro Center USB flash drives (32 GB); and•a dark grey Olympus fe camera (serial# J7120910).23. When I refused to sign the form, members of the Royal Thai police repeatedly hitme with sticks. Fearing for my safety, I signed the form and wrote in English, "notread or understood, signed under duress

This will probably end with a loooooong time behind bars...

Edit 1: 19. - Roger is wrong with Bitcoin being anonymous. It is not and it never was. Bitcoin Tumblers don't change that.
Edit 2: Trying to supress evidence, because of the warrantless search has been tried already by Ross Ulbricht and failed. I don't see any reason, why this would be different in PoM's case.
Edit 3: Now that we know, that PoM actually IS VJ, his actions esp his emails to Serrin Turner and his postings here before his arrest makes no sense to me.

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by Jesús Malverde

The lengths Tarbell goes to to assert that the discovery of the server IP addy was *solely* accomplished using a leak of the homepage UI via CAPTCHA suggests an acute awareness that this point is meaningful in terms of the data taken from that server's subsequent admissability. Clark's team is clearly trying to poison the fruit of that server/tree at that early point.

You can see a potted bio of the defense team's forensic expert Joshua Michel, here- http://www.roloffdf.com/digital-forensics-examiners/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:22 pm

by smokebreaks

You can see from Michel's brief to the court that Tarbell's claims seem to have a bit of discrepency..

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Indictment No.
v . 1 5 - c r - 8 6 6 (WHP)

DECLARATION
ROGER THOMAS CLARK,
Defendant.

I, JOSHUA L. MICHEL, declare under penalty of perjury, pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §1746, that the following is true and correct:

read it all at the link provided.

michel.pdf: (1.22 MiB) Downloaded 57 times

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:21 pm

by AGD

Some new docs on the case:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 2.39.0.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 2.39.1.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 2.39.2.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 2.39.3.pdf

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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:52 pm

by AlwaysBlue

greetings

there seem to be some new docs on PACER about this case. could someone with a PACER account please post them

thank you

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Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:10 am

by Munchy

^^~ bump ~^^

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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:27 pm

by smokebreaks

his lawyer got the flu and asked for a weeks delay to write their response to the USA's contentions to Mongoose's I owned the site defense.

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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:40 am

by Jesús Malverde

Hold on. "I owned the site defense"? At first blush that sounds like a shit tactic.

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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:26 pm

by smokebreaks

there's a lot of shit tactics employed like seeking to dismiss evidence because it violates his 4th amendment rights against search and seizures..

The US seems to believe that he's not afforded that as a constitutional right since he's a Canadian citizen who was picked up in Asia.

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:21 am

by AlwaysBlue

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/se ... eral-court" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:24 am

by Munchy

Thanks AlwaysBlue, here is the text from the above link:

Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
Southern District of New York

Thursday, January 30, 2020
Senior Adviser To The Operator Of The “Silk Road” Website Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court
Roger Thomas Clark Was a Key Figure in the Development of Silk Road, Advised Ross Ulbricht on All Aspects of the Criminal Enterprise, and Urged and Facilitated an Attempted Murder-for-Hire
Geoffrey S. Berman, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced that ROGER THOMAS CLARK, a/k/a “Plural of Mongoose,” a/k/a “Variety Jones,” a/k/a “VJ,” a/k/a “cimon,” pled guilty today to conspiring to distribute massive quantities of narcotics, a charge arising out of his role as the senior adviser to the owner and operator of the “Silk Road” online illicit black market. During its operation from 2011 until 2013, Silk Road was used by thousands of drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute illegal drugs and other illicit goods and services to more than 100,000 buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars derived from those unlawful transactions. CLARK pled guilty before United States District Judge William H. Pauley III.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman said: “Silk Road was a secret online marketplace for illegal drugs, hacking services, and a whole host of other criminal activity. As he admitted today, Roger Thomas Clark was a central figure in helping to lead Silk Road and in advocating violence to protect the site. Clark even went so far as to urge, and facilitate, the attempted killing of a co-conspirator suspected of stealing from Silk Road. Clark’s arrest, extradition from Thailand, and conviction should make it clear that the purported anonymity of the dark web is not a protective shield from prosecution.”

According to the allegations in the Superseding Indictment, court filings, statements made in court, and evidence presented during the 2015 trial of Ross Ulbricht, Silk Road’s founder:

Ulbricht created Silk Road in approximately January 2011, and owned and operated the underground website until it was shut down by law enforcement authorities in October 2013. Silk Road emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet at the time, serving as a sprawling black market bazaar where unlawful goods and services, including illegal drugs of virtually all varieties, were bought and sold regularly by the site’s users. While in operation, Silk Road was used by thousands of drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute hundreds of kilograms of illegal drugs and other unlawful goods and services to well over 100,000 buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars deriving from these unlawful transactions.

Silk Road enabled its users to buy and sell drugs and other illegal goods and services anonymously and outside the reach of law enforcement. Silk Road was operated on what is known as “The Onion Router,” or “Tor” network, a special network of computers on the Internet, distributed around the world, designed to conceal the true IP addresses of the computers on the network and thereby the identities of the networks’ users. Silk Road also included a Bitcoin-based payment system that served to facilitate the illegal commerce conducted on the site, including by concealing the identities and locations of the users transmitting and receiving funds through the site.

CLARK – who went by the online nicknames “Variety Jones,” “VJ,” “Cimon,” “Plural of Mongoose,” and “CaptainSargeant” – was described by Ulbricht as a “real mentor” who advised Ulbricht about, among other things, security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road site, technical infrastructure, the rules that governed Silk Road users and vendors, and the promotion of sales on Silk Road, including the sales of narcotics. CLARK also provided advice to Ulbricht on developing a “cover story” to make it appear as though Ulbricht had sold Silk Road. CLARK also assisted with hiring programmers to help improve the infrastructure of, and maintain, Silk Road. CLARK also was responsible for gathering information on law enforcement’s efforts to investigate Silk Road. And CLARK advised Ulbricht on how to protect the Silk Road empire. For instance, when a Silk Road staff member was suspected of stealing $350,000 in Bitcoin from the site, CLARK suggested to Ulbricht that Ulbricht commission a murder-for-hire. Ulbricht took that suggestion. (Ultimately, unbeknownst to both men, the attempted murder-for-hire did not result in any harm to the target.)

CLARK was paid at least hundreds of thousands of dollars for his assistance in operating Silk Road.

CLARK, 56, a citizen of Canada, pled guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute narcotics, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. The maximum potential sentence in this case is prescribed by Congress and is provided here for informational purposes only, as any sentencing of the defendant will be determined by the judge. CLARK is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Pauley on May 29, 2020, at 11:00 a.m.

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:05 am

by AGD

If it wasn't a corrupt cop, that faked that hit on Curtis Green, he would have been charged for murder, like Ross. Both thought the hit was carried out until they learned they were cheated.

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:40 am

by AlwaysBlue

RU was offered the same deal, but turned it down and chose to fight using the 4th amendment argument about the search of the Icelandic server.

PoM was going down that road but must have had a look at the SDNY sentencing statistics (99% conviction rate) and realised he had no hope of acquittal and a very real possibility of a sentence of "from now on..." so he took the deal RU turned down.

He'll be out and back on Koh Chang in 10 to 12 years I would expect

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:36 pm

by Jesús Malverde

The press is almost wholly uninterested in this story—something that will probably work in Roger's favor when the deal is announced. Unlike Ross' process, this one is happening outside the glare of the press lights. So far I've only seen original reporting from Yahoo on this plea story, and even that is shallow and perfunctory.

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:35 pm

by smokebreaks

I'll post the rest later...

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:43 pm

by smokebreaks

From Mongoose's team to prove his ownership in the site and support his demand for discovery based on the violation of his fourth amendment rights:

43.pdf: (3.13 MiB) Downloaded 23 times

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:00 pm

by smokebreaks

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:05 pm

by smokebreaks

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:09 pm

by smokebreaks

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:12 pm

by smokebreaks

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:20 pm

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:10 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Tex, Smed, and some guy going by ~S running the SR back end it looks like. Whoever those guys are.

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:27 pm

by smokebreaks

Well, now that it is all there for the world to read I especially liked the part about them soon to be having "icmag.com" and can only imagine "The Cannabis Revolution" they had envisioned.

It makes total sense to me that Mongoose would take the plea, because he's probably been promised a far more lenient sentence than what resulted with RU's taking it to trial, the verdict and the proverbial tossing away the key for life.

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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:37 pm

by Munchy

Jesús Malverde wrote:Tex, Smed, and some guy going by ~S running the SR back end it looks like. Whoever those guys are.

'nuff said about that... hopefully this goes without saying, but the topic of "those guys" identities is NOT open for further discussion.

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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:25 am

by DD Ramone

After reading through all that, it dawns on me that I have never seen a more ridiculous claim vis-à-vis the 4th Amendment. What comes to mind is 'Grasping at Straws', or just a ruse to get a quick and possibly short sentence on just one out of the six charges that he has pleaded guilty on - and hope for just a 20 year stretch or less.

He claimed to be the owner of many businesses that he did not own, and to be many people that he was not, and now we see his lies tripping him up some, since his Thai statements don't match with his newly developed revelations .

III. THERE WAS NO FOURTH AMENDMENT VIOLATION Clark seeks suppression of the Icelandic Server’s contents on the ground that the server
was searched without a warrant in violation of the Fourth Amendment. (Def. Br. 13). As the defendant acknowledges (Def. Br. 13 & n.18), he bears the burden of establishing that the search and seizure of the Icelandic Server violated his own Fourth Amendment rights and that suppression
is the appropriate remedy.
Clark fails to establish any Fourth Amendment violation, much less a violation warranting
suppression, for at least four independent reasons. First, as a fundamental threshold matter, the
10 The defense’s Notice of Motion states that the date of this production was July 31, 2019. That is a typographical error; in fact, it was produced a year earlier on July 31, 2018.
Case 1:15-cr-00866-WHP Document 39 Filed 12/12/19 Page 20 of 55
15

Fourth Amendment does not apply “to the search and seizure by United States agents of property
that is owned by a nonresident alien and located in a foreign country.” United States v. Verdugo
Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 261 (1990). Clark, a Canadian citizen who resided in Thailand at the time
of the search and seizure of the Icelandic Server in Iceland, did not establish any voluntary
connections to the United States, much less the substantial connections necessary to invoke the
Fourth Amendment’s protections. Id. at 265. Second, the Icelandic Server was searched by
Icelandic authorities, to whom, as Clark concedes (Def. Br. 19–20), the Fourth Amendment and
its exclusionary rule do not apply. Third, as Clark apparently concedes (Def. Br. 20), any seizure
and search of the Icelandic Server by foreign authorities was reasonable. The foreign search
doctrine squarely controverts Clark’s baseless suggestion that a warrant is required to review a
copy of lawfully obtained and previously imaged foreign evidence once it crosses the United States
border. Fourth, even if Clark’s novel argument were accepted, the exclusionary rule would not
apply because the law enforcement officers acted in good faith based on then-existing binding law.

smokebreaks wrote:Well, now that it is all there for the world to read I especially liked the part about them soon to be having "icmag.com" and can only imagine "The Cannabis Revolution" they had envisioned.

It makes total sense to me that Mongoose would take the plea, because he's probably been promised a far more lenient sentence than what resulted with RU's taking it to trial, the verdict and the proverbial tossing away the key for life.

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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:09 pm

by smokebreaks

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess the judge doesn’t hand down a 20 year sentence.

My best guess? At 4.5+ years already, he gets out on time served for the single conspiracy charge.

We’ll see what the judge comes up with at his sentencing.

I’m also going to say that I think his ego and delusions of grandeur were his own worst enemy.

The one thing that really floored me about this whole silk road scheme was on the night I had met Mongoose as I was headed back to the US from having had traveled the actual Silk Road we spent the night drinking in the pub discussing Harrod’s business model.

All the world over, Harrod’s is renowned as the ultimate department store.

For those that haven’t been, it’s a cool “store” but it isn’t a “department store” like one would find in the states. It’s more of a shopping mall in that the retailers lease space in the building to sell their wares, where the landlords not only take a floor rent, but they also take /charge a percentage of the sale.

I’m not quite sure how he managed to pull this off but true to his modus operandi it was ultimately a rip off of someone else’s business model that saw them make and lose a fortune.

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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:24 pm

by DD Ramone

Surely the Judge will know that DPR got life without parole, and now PoM claiming that he was part or half owner of SR, without any real binding proof of it, no proof of any ownership at all, looks like DPR controlled all the money coming in, and paid for and controlled all the servers and paid employees including PoM, even paid PoM to pay other people working on the site, and so PoM was more of a foreman than anything else, who was trying to get half ownership of SR off DPR.

If he does manage to convince the judge he had ownership, then you would think his sentence would be worse than if the judge thought he was just a mentor or foreman.

His whole case seems to hinge upon the court throwing most all of the evidence out due to it supposedly being inadmissible under his non-existent 4th Amendment rights.

*from DPR's chat log - DPR is 'myself', and PoM is 'cimon'

(2012-12-18 01:00) myself: yes, I am well. everything is running smoothly and smed [the chief programmer for Silk Road] is making good progress. did I tell you the latest milestone?

(2012-12-18 01:01) cimon: nope.

(2012-12-18 01:01) cimon: 1 billionth order?

(2012-12-18 01:01) myself: $100,000,000 annual sales at current rate

(2012-12-18 01:01) cimon:

(2012-12-18 01:02) cimon: One *really* frustrating thing is we can't be lording that about, posting over 7 million served, etc.
(2012-12-18 01:02) myself: that's ok

(2012-12-18 01:03) cimon: That is great news, how many vendors now?

(2012-12-18 01:04) myself: nearly 1k unique per week

(2012-12-18 01:04) myself: around 9k buyers'

Yep...it was all about the Benjamin's (BTC), even if it meant selling heroin to children, some who OD'ed and died, and I am sure their parents wouldn't want to see PoM ever walking free again.

smokebreaks wrote:I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess the judge doesn’t hand down a 20 year sentence.

My best guess? At 4.5+ years already, he gets out on time served for the single conspiracy charge.

We’ll see what the judge comes up with at his sentencing.

I’m also going to say that I think his ego and delusions of grandeur were his own worst enemy.

The one thing that really floored me about this whole silk road scheme was on the night I had met Mongoose as I was headed back to the US from having had traveled the actual Silk Road we spent the night drinking in the pub discussing Harrod’s business model.

All the world over, Harrod’s is renowned as the ultimate department store.

For those that haven’t been, it’s a cool “store” but it isn’t a “department store” like one would find in the states. It’s more of a shopping mall in that the retailers lease space in the building to sell their wares, where the landlords not only take a floor rent, but they also take /charge a percentage of the sale.

I’m not quite sure how he managed to pull this off but true to his modus operandi it was ultimately a rip off of someone else’s business model that saw them make and lose a fortune.

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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:53 pm

by smokebreaks

since he pled guilty to one charge of conspiracy and that averts this trial, his case filings earlier in the month seeking to simply show he was in-fact an owner and therefore also afforded protections from illegal search and seizure based on discovery that the methods claimed were improbable, shows that the government offered a deal to settle before trial and he took it.

That deal eventually will be made public after his sentencing and it shows today that the government ain’t too concerned about the few deaths from something gotten in the post.

What makes no sense that Ross’ sentence seems especially harsh for someone who really didn’t do much of anything beyond write the original eBay for clandestine purposes.

He just owned the bazaar that hosted the sales, he wasn’t the vendor selling the wares?

Poor kid got fucked for being an innovator that fell in with the wrong crowd and it cost him his life too.

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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:42 pm

by DD Ramone

Tsss, I do find it hard to think that they were innovators of anything, if all they did was copy ebay as a model, then allowed hard drug dealers to sell their wares on it, so making it possible for anyone with a BitCoin account to buy smack or crack amongst a whole myriad of other questionable drugs which did lead to some fatalities. In effect PoM and DPR initiated and profited from every transaction made on the SR site, so they were just as responsible for those deaths as the dealers who sold thru the SR site .

2. Application The foregoing principles compel the conclusion that Clark has failed to establish standing
in the Icelandic Server. Clark has not come close to establishing standing even if one accepts,
arguendo, Clark’s self-serving, uncorroborated claims in his Declaration that he was a part-owner of Silk Road—which directly contradict his prior testimony under oath in Thailand that he had no involvement in the website whatsoever.

As a preliminary matter, the comprehensive record developed through the Ulbricht trial
contains zero support for Clark’s claim that he was a part-owner. That record makes the following
points clear, among various others:

1. Ulbricht conceived of Silk Road, launched it in early 2011, and oversaw all aspects of its operation until his arrest on October 1, 2013.

2. Ulbricht leased, owned, controlled, and paid for every Silk Road server. In fact, the Ulbricht Laptop contained a spreadsheet (entitled “Servers.ods”) with detailed information about every server he used for Silk Road, including the location of the server, the type of server, the IP address, the email address and alias used to register the server, his password, when the server expires, and what he uses that server for (e.g., marketplace, forum, backup, active wallets, “tor relay,” etc.). This “Servers” spreadsheet contained notes about more than 40 “active” servers and more than a dozen “retired” servers.

3. At the time of his arrest, Ulbricht was accessing the Silk Road “Mastermind” webpage, the top-level administrative page for Silk Road. Forensic analysis of the Silk Road server showed that the “Mastermind” webpage could only be accessed using “Dread Pirate Roberts”’s account on the server, and could not be accessed by any of the other Silk Road staff employees.

4. The Ulbricht Laptop contained a folder with his employees’ identifications, including Clark’s Canadian Passport. Ulbricht therefore knew “VJ”/“cimon”’s true identity. The Ulbricht-Clark chats contain no evidence that Clark knew Ulbricht’s identity. (Even now, Clark refers to Ulbricht as “DPR” in his Declaration.)

5. Ulbricht paid Clark in Bitcoin repeatedly, including payments of approximately: (1) $93,150 on or about November 16, 2012; (2) $50,000 on or about May 7, 2013; and (3) $57,000 on or about July 3, 2013.

6. The Ulbricht Laptop had a detailed accounting spreadsheet including repeated entries for “server rent,” “payroll,” and “commissions,” as well as sporadic entries for “bounties,” “420 grand prize,” and “pay off hacker.” There is never an entry that suggests that anyone else received a portion of Silk Road profits/commissions.

Case 1:15-cr-00866-WHP Document 39 Filed 12/12/19 Page 36 of 55

7. Ulbricht told the Silk Road community, “Whether you like it or not, I am the captain of this ship. You are here voluntarily and if you don’t like the rules of the game, or you don’t trust your captain, you can get off the boat.”

8. As Ulbricht wrote in his journal, Variety Jones (i.e., Clark) “convinced me of a server configuration paradigm that gave me the confidence to be the sole server administrator and not work with someone else at all.” (Emphasis added).

9. Clark deferred to Ulbricht for final decisions. For instance, as noted above, Clark recommended that Ulbricht commission a murder-for-hire because an individual had stolen from Silk Road. After Clark made this recommendation, Ulbricht said he wanted to think about it. Shortly thereafter, the following chat occurred:

Cimon: So, you’ve had your time to think. You’re sitting in the big chair, and you need to make a decision. Now, really, things could move fast in the future.

DPR: I would have no problem wasting this guy

Cimon: Well ok then, I’ll take care of it.

10. In the months that followed, Ulbricht commissioned four more murders-for-hire. Ulbricht did not even tell Clark before doing so.

smokebreaks wrote:since he pled guilty to one charge of conspiracy and that averts this trial, his case filings earlier in the month seeking to simply show he was in-fact an owner and therefore also afforded protections from illegal search and seizure based on discovery that the methods claimed were improbable, shows that the government offered a deal to settle before trial and he took it.

That deal eventually will be made public after his sentencing and it shows today that the government ain’t too concerned about the few deaths from something gotten in the post.

What makes no sense that Ross’ sentence seems especially harsh for someone who really didn’t do much of anything beyond write the original eBay for clandestine purposes.

He just owned the bazaar that hosted the sales, he wasn’t the vendor selling the wares?

Poor kid got fucked for being an innovator that fell in with the wrong crowd and it cost him his life too.

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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:57 pm

by smokebreaks

Well after what happened with / to the dude who was running what I think was AlphaBay? getting caught in Thailand, winding up dead..
honestly if it were me, I don't think I would've been none to quick to tell the Thai authorities shit either... especially not if I was running the eBay of contraband from their country while I was on a tourist visa or whatever the hell he was doing.

I really don't see his case being anything more substantial than a single count of conspiracy which could carry a 20 year term, but in the land of the free with the most incarcerated populace and prison overcrowding being oh so prevalent, without prior convictions in the US for whatever reason, I'm pretty sure the judge will call into account the 4.5+ years he's been waiting for his "speedy trial" and respond accordingly.

I'm not familiar with the bench he's going to be before for sentencing and the history they may have but I know he's simply taking a plea to avoid a costly trial where much more is at stake as Ross' trial showed.

I'm pretty sure his legal team said straight out to take the deal because you don't want to be a spectacle of judicial ineptitude in the public eye.

Be it naivete or stupidity, Ross and his team made the unfortunate assumption that the US Dept of Justice operates fairly taking his case to trial.

You really can't hold them responsible for the use of the goods that were bought or sold on the site at least not any more so than you can hold a weapons manufacturer liable for the mass slaughters that occur in the streets. Industry gets away with murder all the time. Unless they can prove willful negligence.

In America, unless you're paying for your private attorney, out of pocket, you'd better take the deal.

At the end of the day, the Dept of Justice is paying the bills and you're basically nothing but a file to them.

Basic hard facts and truth here is that when the Office of the Prosecutor and the Criminal Defense are working, it comes out of the same budget, whether they are using a Public Defender or a Court Appointed Attorney, they are working together to move the case through the courts and a settlement without the need for the trial will make that day available on someone else's calendar so it is just procedure in the court's opinion to shuffle this off to the done pile and move on to something else.

If you're not taking the court appointed attorney, do keep some funds set aside for emergencies and maintain the ability to continually pay for a private defense that way you can actively string along the courts and effectively keep your ass out of jail.

Mongoose had neither.

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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:53 am

by AGD

Looks like PoM is not doing very well:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 2.51.0.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:07 am

by AGD

Does anybody here know what ~s~ is doing these days? Asing for a friend...

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Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:01 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Which ~S?

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Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 10:55 pm

by rSin

The one who wanted what i was smoking when
I started the thread

'welcome to camp overgrow!'

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 4:42 am

by smokebreaks

Roger Thomas Clark: Sentencing set for 7/30/2020 at 02:00 PM before Judge William H. Pauley III. (ap) (Entered: 04/14/2020)

(Sentencing set for 7/30/2020 at 10:30 AM before Judge William H. Pauley III.) (Signed by Judge William H. Pauley, III on 5/15/2020) (lnl) (Entered: 05/15/2020)

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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:24 pm

by dill786

so POM isnt walking away from this with a slap on the wrist?

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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:23 am

by AlwaysBlue

Good morning all

I see some new dox posted on the PoM docket. Could someone with access to PACER please post for us without access?

mucho gusto

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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:38 am

by DD Ramone

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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:02 am

by Prawn Connery

20 years? I'm not sure any amount of Bitcoin is worth that.

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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:21 am

by Munchy

of course not, but who ever thinks that they might actually get caught doing whatever nefarious act they may be up to, and what the repercussions could be if they got caught?
probably 0.0000...

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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:53 pm

by smokebreaks

Prawn Connery wrote:20 years? I'm not sure any amount of Bitcoin is worth that.

240 months is the max that he could get via the sentencing guidelines.

I'm still sure they want to move this to the done pile and I don't expect him to be stuffed into storage anywhere near that long.

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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:05 pm

by AnarchoPunk

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov ... 2.60.0.pdf

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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:41 pm

by Munchy

Thanks for the update!

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:57 am

by AGD

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press ... 6/download" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ----------------UNITED STATES OF AMERICA - v. - MICHAEL R. WEIGAND, a/k/a “Shabang,” a/k/a “~Shabang~,” a/k/a “~s,” a/k/a “s,” Defendant. ----------------x:::::::::::::XINFORMATION 20 Cr. _____ ( ) COUNT ONE (False Statements to a Federal Agent) The United States Attorney charges: The Defendant, Associated Individuals, and the Silk Road Website 1.At all times relevant to this Information, MICHAEL R. WEIGAND, a/k/a “Shabang,” a/k/a “~Shabang~,” a/k/a “~s”, a/k/a “s”, the defendant, was a citizen of the United States and a resident of Ohio. WEIGAND is a computer programmer and an electrical engineer. 2.From in or about January 2011, up to and including on or about October 2, 2013, an underground website known as “Silk Road” hosted a sprawling black-market bazaar on the Internet, where illegal drugs and other illicit goods and services were regularly bought and sold by the site’s users. During its more than two-and-a-half years in operation, Silk Road was used by
2 several thousand drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute hundreds of kilograms of illegal drugs and other illicit goods and services to well over one hundred thousand buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars deriving from these unlawful transactions. On Silk Road, sellers openly advertised and sold (a) illegal narcotics, such as heroin, cocaine, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), and methamphetamine; (b) computer-hacking services and software; (c) fraudulent identification documents; (d) money laundering services; and (e) firearms. All transactions on Silk Road were required to be paid with Bitcoin, which facilitated the illegal commerce conducted on the site by, among other things, concealing the identities and locations of the users transmitting and receiving funds through the site. 3.The owner and operator of Silk Road was Ross William Ulbricht, a/k/a “Dread Pirate Roberts,” a/k/a “DPR,” a/k/a “Silk Road”. Ulbricht ran the website with the assistance of various co-conspirators, including Roger Thomas Clark, a/k/a “Variety Jones,” a/k/a “VJ,” a/k/a “Cimon,” a/k/a “Plural of Mongoose,”and a small staff, such as customer support staff representatives and several computer programmers. 4.Roger Thomas Clark, a/k/a “Variety Jones,” a/k/a “VJ,” a/k/a “Cimon,” a/k/a “Plural of Mongoose,” served as a trusted advisor of Ulbricht. Clark was responsible for, among other
3 things, promoting sales on Silk Road, hiring and managing a computer programmer, advising Ulbricht regarding Silk Road’s rules, and conducting research and collecting intelligence on law enforcement’s efforts to investigate Silk Road. Statutory Allegations 5.On or about January 6 and 7, 2019, in the Southern District of New York, MICHAEL R. WEIGAND, a/k/a “Shabang,” a/k/a “~Shabang~,” a/k/a “~s”, a/k/a “s”, the defendant, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, willfully and knowingly, falsified, concealed, and covered up by trick, scheme, and device material facts, and did make materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations, to wit, after being specifically warned that it is a federal crime to make a false statement to a federal law enforcement officer, WEIGAND falsely told a Special Agent of the Internal Revenue Service and a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, in New York, New York, among other things, that:(1) he never opened an account on the Silk Road website; (2) he never used the online pseudonyms “Shabang” or “~Shabang~”; (3) he never transferred Bitcoin to the Silk Road website; (4) he never exposed computer security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website; (5) he never communicated with anyone who used the online pseudonym “Dread Pirate Roberts,” “DPR,” or
4 “Silk Road”; (6) he never performed any services for the Silk Road website; and (7) the purpose of his trip to London in late 2013, following the takedown of the Silk Road website and arrest of Ross Ulbricht, was to meet with Roger Thomas Clark’s associate regarding a marijuana seed business. (Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001(a).)________________________AUDREY STRAUSS Acting United States Attorney /s/

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/co ... ents-about" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, September 21, 2020
Computer Programmer Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court To Making False Statements About His Involvement In The “Silk Road” Website
Michael R. Weigand Concealed Role in the Silk Road Website, Including Providing Technological Advice Directly to Silk Road’s Principals

Audrey Strauss, the Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Joleen Simpson, Acting Special Agent in Charge of the Boston Field Office of the Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation (“IRS-CI”), William F. Sweeney Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), and Peter C. Fitzhugh, the Special Agent-in-Charge of the New York Field Office of Homeland Security Investigations (“HSI”), announced that MICHAEL R. WEIGAND, a/k/a “Shabang,” a/k/a “~Shabang~,” a/k/a “~s,” a/k/a “s,” pled guilty today to making false statements to federal agents about his involvement in, and his work for, the “Silk Road” online illicit black market, which was responsible for distributing hundreds of millions of dollars of narcotics and other contraband. WEIGAND’s false statements concealed his role in the operation of the Silk Road website. WEIGAND surrendered today and pled guilty before United States District Judge William H. Pauley III, to whom his case is assigned.

Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss said: “Silk Road was a secret online marketplace for illegal drugs, hacking services, and a number of other criminal activities. Michael Weigand helped Silk Road by, among other things, identifying technological vulnerabilities in the site, supplying technological advice directly to Silk Road’s leadership, and travelling overseas to remove Silk Road evidence from a co-conspirator’s residence. When Weigand was questioned by law enforcement in 2019, he falsely claimed not to have done anything at all for Silk Road. For his various false statements, Weigand now faces potential prison time.”

IRS-CI Acting Special Agent in Charge Joleen Simpson said: “During its years of operation the Silk Road website allowed thousands of individuals to anonymously conduct narcotics transactions, launder money, and facilitate other illegal transactions. This investigation took law enforcement above and beyond its traditional role in financial crimes. In effect, it put us squarely in the middle of the high-tech world of cyber-crime and the dark web. When given the opportunity to provide truthful statements to the agents, Weigand knowingly and willfully attempted to deceive the agents of the role he played in providing technical expertise to the Silk Road operators. I hope that this guilty plea will discourage others from providing false information to law enforcement officers in the future.”

FBI Assistant Director William F. Sweeney Jr. said: “Weigand and others used their skills and savvy to create a secret online enclave for criminals to trade in illegal drugs and illicit goods and services. They thought they were smart enough to evade law enforcement, but they were wrong. When Weigand was confronted, he lied about his involvement – once again thinking we weren’t smart enough to catch him. With today’s plea, he’ll have time to contemplate the truth as he awaits his sentence.”

HSI Special Agent-in-Charge Peter C. Fitzhugh said: “Criminal activity on the dark web continues to be more prevalent, allowing easy accessibility to narcotics and illicit goods with the click of a button. With online criminal enterprises growing, law enforcement technologies are advancing, and HSI with its partners are infiltrating the dark web, intercepting online dealings and locating the perpetrators. Today’s guilty plea should stand as reminder to those criminals who have a false sense of security behind their computer screen, that they too will one day face the consequences of their actions.”

According to the allegations in the Information, court filings, statements made in court, and evidence presented during the 2015 trial of Ross Ulbricht, Silk Road’s founder and chief administrator:

Ulbricht created Silk Road in approximately January 2011, and owned and operated the underground website until it was shut down by law enforcement in October 2013. Silk Road emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet at the time. During its more than two-and-a-half years in operation, Silk Road was used by several thousand drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute hundreds of kilograms of illegal drugs and other illicit goods and services to well over one hundred thousand buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars deriving from these unlawful transactions. Silk Road was specifically designed to allow its users to buy and sell drugs and other illegal goods and services anonymously and outside the reach of law enforcement through the use of the Tor network and a Bitcoin-based payment system.

WEIGAND – who is a computer programmer and electrical engineer – worked with Roger Thomas Clark, the senior adviser to Ulbricht, on certain aspects of Silk Road. For instance, WEIGAND and Clark worked to identify technological vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website. WEIGAND also supplied technological advice directly to Clark and Ulbricht. In January 2019, WEIGAND was questioned by an IRS Special Agent and an FBI Special Agent. After being specifically warned that it is a federal crime to make a false statement to a federal law enforcement officer, WEIGAND attempted to cover up his involvement in Silk Road by falsely stating, among other things, that (1) he never opened an account on Silk Road; (2) he never used the online pseudonyms “Shabang” or “~Shabang~”; (3) he never transferred Bitcoin to Silk Road; (4) he never exposed computer security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website; (5) he never communicated with anyone who used the online pseudonym “Dread Pirate Roberts,” “DPR,” or “Silk Road”; (6) he never performed any services for the Silk Road website; and (7) he did not know the true identity of “Variety Jones” (one of Clark’s pseudonyms) on Silk Road. WEIGAND also falsely stated that the purpose of his trip to London in late 2013, following the takedown of the Silk Road website and arrest of Ulbricht, was to meet with Clark’s associate regarding a marijuana seed business. In fact, WEIGAND traveled to Clark’s London residence and removed Silk Road evidence.

WEIGAND, 56, of Kirtland, Ohio, pled guilty to one count of making false statements, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison. The maximum potential sentence in this case is prescribed by Congress and is provided here for informational purposes only, as any sentencing of the defendant will be determined by the judge. WEIGAND is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Pauley on December 18, 2020, at 2:00 p.m.

The founder and operator of Silk Road, Ross Ulbricht, was previously convicted of seven offenses after a jury trial: distributing narcotics, distributing narcotics by means of the Internet, conspiring to distribute narcotics, engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiring to commit computer hacking, conspiring to traffic in false identity documents, and conspiring to commit money laundering. Ulbricht was sentenced principally to life imprisonment and $183 million in forfeiture. The senior adviser to Ulbricht, Roger Thomas Clark, pled guilty to conspiring to distribute narcotics and his sentencing is currently pending; Clark faces a maximum potential sentence of 20 years in prison.

* * *

Ms. Strauss praised the outstanding joint efforts of the IRS-CI, the FBI, and HSI. Ms. Strauss also thanked the FBI’s Cleveland Office for its assistance.

This case is being prosecuted by the Office’s Complex Frauds and Cybercrime Unit. Assistant United States Attorney Michael D. Neff is in charge of the prosecution.

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:09 am

by Munchy

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:43 am

by Jesús Malverde

Amazing that ~S still hadn't seen through Clark as late as 2013. By then Roger was sporting more red flags than a Chinese PLA parade. Registered Republican voter, kinda fits.

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:13 pm

by smokebreaks

That's kind of a fucked up read and the end of the line for a couple of people we all knew.

Too bad for that guy too...

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:47 pm

by Prawn Connery

Perhaps ~juice~ will finally now believe Gad isn't ~s

Or was he?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:07 am

by Munchy

I was also thinking that about Gad. this would be a good time for Gad to stop by and post to prove that point. but this doc reveals that ~s is in the USA, and I'm pretty sure the Gad was not? there now I've mentioned his name 3 times like Beetlejuice so he should be conjured up. but I'm not so sure if we should risk saying Juice 3 times as well?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:44 am

by smokebreaks

I guess I’ll be the one go out and say it.

The one they’re calling ~s ain’t “the” ~s

And I kind of got half a mind to call the judge and government out on it.

This is exactly why you don’t go out and assume the moniker of a legend.

No matter how smart you think you are, you’re really no match for the power of the truly ignorant.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:23 am

by AlwaysBlue

well well well
PoM just shaved 10 years off his sentence. Probably looking at time served now. He will be back on Koh Chang playing in the surf before you can say Jack Robinson

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:04 am

by Munchy

AlwaysBlue wrote:well well well
PoM just shaved 10 years off his sentence. Probably looking at time served now. He will be back on Koh Chang playing in the surf before you can say Jack Robinson

did I miss something, how did he do that?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:34 am

by Prawn Connery

smokebreaks wrote: I guess I’ll be the one go out and say it.

The one they’re calling ~s ain’t “the” ~s

And I kind of got half a mind to call the judge and government out on it.

This is exactly why you don’t go out and assume the moniker of a legend.

No matter how smart you think you are, you’re really no match for the power of the truly ignorant.

Aw, now you're going to get ~Juice~ and Munchy's conspiracy theories back on track again

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:40 pm

by Munchy

Prawn Connery wrote:Aw, now you're going to get ~Juice~ and Munchy's conspiracy theories back on track again

so are you saying that my being skeptical of Juice's conspiracy theory, constitutes another conspiracy theory? then it seems to me that line of thinking must be your conspiracy theory now! or how about my conspiracy theory that anyone who thinks I'd agree with anything Juice says is a dumbass?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:30 pm

by smokebreaks

Prawn Connery wrote:Aw, now you're going to get ~Juice~ and Munchy's conspiracy theories back on track again

I'm not going to comment further or give anyone any cause to speculate beyond what the US government has him pleading to.

I mean, if he wants to cop to being ~s and live in that shadow and the US Government is satisfied with their pounds of flesh from Ross Ulbricht being locked away forever I guess that's good enough for them. I'm not doing their job too.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:04 pm

by Oldjoints

smokebreaks wrote: I'm not doing their job too.

I am sure “AlwaysBlue” would love that......

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:47 pm

by Roots

Fuck you all..! (Especially Munchy)

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:17 pm

by Oldjoints

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:58 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Jesús Malverde wrote:Which ~S?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:09 pm

by Jesús Malverde

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -fbi-abou/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This news outlet is a bit crazypants 'winger but they at least wrote the story up. The original ~S would never have worked for Clark in 2013 after everything that happened.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 pm

by Prawn Connery

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:42 pm

by Prawn Connery

I just hope those bastards are rolling in Bitcoin. A few years in the clink for a multi-million payout isn't a bad little earner.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:58 am

by smokebreaks

Last I had read there is still a mythical wallet floating around with like 75,000 of them fucking cryptocurrency coins.

That's nearing $800,000,000.00

oops... sorry...

101,857 BTC

https://news.sellorbuyhomefast.com/inde ... 8-in-fees/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The largest Bitcoin wallet that belongs to an unknown entity or individual recently moved 101,857 BTC, worth just over $933 million. The transfer was first noticed by automated crypto tracking service Bitcoin Block Bot on June 27.

And for this whopping transaction, the mysterious owner of the wallet paid just $0.48 in fees.

The address was documented as the richest among non-exchange BTC wallets back in April, when it was holding 0.55% of all existing Bitcoin at the time. And even when compared to the major exchanges, it ranked third—behind Huobi and Binance.

While funds that belong to exchanges are made up of customer funds, it’s unclear who actually owns the Bitcoin in this address. It’s possible that it could also be an exchange wallet, or belong to large Bitcoin investors such as the Winklevii.

(After this article was published, one Redditor claimed that the wallet belongs to crypto exchange BitStamp via custodial platform BitGo. We have reached out to both companies. Debra Bar, director of marketing at BitGo, said, “Thank you for reaching out. For privacy reasons, we cannot confirm clients or their addresses.”)

The funds were then sent to more unknown wallets. According to Bitcoin block explorer Blockchain.com, the recent $933 million transaction was split between two anonymous receiving wallets. The first one got 5,000 BTC ($45.8 million) while the rest got 96,857 BTC ($887.4 million) as “change.” The larger wallet is now the second biggest Bitcoin wallet, according to BitInfoCharts. It trails only Huobi’s cold storage wallet.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:11 am

by Prawn Connery

Munchy wrote:I was also thinking that about Gad. this would be a good time for Gad to stop by and post to prove that point. but this doc reveals that ~s is in the USA, and I'm pretty sure the Gad was not? there now I've mentioned his name 3 times like Beetlejuice so he should be conjured up. but I'm not so sure if we should risk saying Juice 3 times as well?

beetlejuice_sm.jpg

I was referring to this. And, you know, the moon landings and all that

You know, I only said ~J~'s name twice, but you had to go and quote me which made it look like I'd said it three times . . . And then he showed up!

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:12 am

by Prawn Connery

Roots wrote:Fuck you all..! (Especially Munchy)

You're welcome mate.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:14 am

by Jesús Malverde

This page isn’t working

news.sellorbuyhomefast.com is currently unable to handle this request.

HTTP ERROR 500

Is there any known connection to SR here? (that domain name doesn't have much journalistic gravitas [or apparent bill paying ability] anyway)

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:40 pm

by smokebreaks

Jesús Malverde wrote:
This page isn’t working

news.sellorbuyhomefast.com is currently unable to handle this request.

HTTP ERROR 500
Is there any known connection to SR here? (that domain name doesn't have much journalistic gravitas [or apparent bill paying ability] anyway)

Who the fuck knows?

https://decrypt.co/34047/the-most-secre ... -1-billion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:53 pm

by Jesús Malverde

I got through to their cheesy website today. They link to their source here- https://decrypt.co/34047/the-most-secre ... -1-billion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In brief
The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet just moved its funds to another two wallets.
It was the largest non-exchange Bitcoin address.
The huge transaction cost just $0.48 in fees.
The largest Bitcoin wallet that belongs to an unknown entity or individual recently moved 101,857 BTC, worth just over $933 million. The transfer was first noticed by automated crypto tracking service Bitcoin Block Bot on June 27.

And for this whopping transaction, the mysterious owner of the wallet paid just $0.48 in fees.

The address was documented as the richest among non-exchange BTC wallets back in April, when it was holding 0.55% of all existing Bitcoin at the time. And even when compared to the major exchanges, it ranked third—behind Huobi and Binance.

While funds that belong to exchanges are made up of customer funds, it’s unclear who actually owns the Bitcoin in this address. It’s possible that it could also be an exchange wallet, or belong to large Bitcoin investors such as the Winklevii.

(After this article was published, one Redditor claimed that the wallet belongs to crypto exchange BitStamp via custodial platform BitGo. We have reached out to both companies. Debra Bar, director of marketing at BitGo, said, "Thank you for reaching out. For privacy reasons, we cannot confirm clients or their addresses.")

We don't know if that wallet belonged to one individual or thousands of individual investors collectively, but it's a great mystery. We may never know but I'll bet the spooks do already.

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:07 pm

by rSin

Why on earth you wouldnt distribute such a god awful number of coins i cant imagine. Youd cut bitcoins value in half by merely putting a fifth of them up for grabs...

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:11 pm

by rSin

Bet its simply a threat...

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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:43 am

by AGD

The problem with these Bitcoins is, that it will be very hard to cash out or even buying goods with it. These coins are tainted for a very long time. For example in Germany transactions above 10000€ (about 1 BTC at the present time) will be checked by banks for money laundering. So most likely the holder of the money will have to wait until the SR indictment is statute barred. Even after that time people will know where the money came from. Selling the Bitcoins off the record will be quite difficult. Who will buy coins, that will raise attention from LE and the risk of being confiscated? I wouldn't.

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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:45 am

by smokebreaks

AGD wrote:The problem with these Bitcoins is, that it will be very hard to cash out or even buying goods with it. These coins are tainted for a very long time. For example in Germany transactions above 10000€ (about 1 BTC at the present time) will be checked by banks for money laundering. So most likely the holder of the money will have to wait until the SR indictment is statute barred. Even after that time people will know where the money came from. Selling the Bitcoins off the record will be quite difficult. Who will buy coins, that will raise attention from LE and the risk of being confiscated? I wouldn't.

In the US it is supposed to be over $10k triggers a SAR (suspicious activity report) but in actuality it's any convertible over $3,000. You buy $3k in money orders, it gets reported. You convert an asset to cash valued over $3k and someone is going to want to see an ID. Guaranteed that ID is registered as it's an entity sale. Hell, most banks now frown on any large cash deposits. Mine requires an ID everytime they hire a new teller, and I'm there almost every damn day.

One can only imagine the bells and whistles when a SWIFT transaction comes through for nearly a billion dollars.

So meanwhile as these coins sit, it keeps the value artificially inflated due to scarcity?

Isn't that kind of doing the exact opposite of the original intent?

If it is tied to the Silk Road BTC, and having it priced over $10,000 USD per, it kinda defeats the purpose of it being anonymous no?

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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:58 am

by AlwaysBlue

AGD wrote:The problem with these Bitcoins is, that it will be very hard to cash out or even buying goods with it. These coins are tainted for a very long time. For example in Germany transactions above 10000€ (about 1 BTC at the present time) will be checked by banks for money laundering. So most likely the holder of the money will have to wait until the SR indictment is statute barred. Even after that time people will know where the money came from. Selling the Bitcoins off the record will be quite difficult. Who will buy coins, that will raise attention from LE and the risk of being confiscated? I wouldn't.

Go to this site: http://www.BustaBit.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Take a look at the leaderboard and look at the volumes of BTC being churned on this site

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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:18 pm

by Munchy

so the answer of who would buy them may be... those who don't know any better?

Munchy wrote:
AlwaysBlue wrote:well well well
PoM just shaved 10 years off his sentence. Probably looking at time served now. He will be back on Koh Chang playing in the surf before you can say Jack Robinson
did I miss something, how did he do that?

please reply...

also AlwaysBlue, would you do us a favor and let us know if your username means what it looks like... LEO?

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:41 am

by AlwaysBlue

Munchy wrote:so the answer of who would buy them may be... those who don't know any better?

Munchy wrote:
AlwaysBlue wrote:well well well
PoM just shaved 10 years off his sentence. Probably looking at time served now. He will be back on Koh Chang playing in the surf before you can say Jack Robinson
did I miss something, how did he do that?
please reply...

also AlwaysBlue, would you do us a favor and let us know if your username means what it looks like... LEO?

just harmless speculation on my part, sir. Perhaps I am wrong.
as to your second question, would you believe me if I said no?

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:25 am

by Munchy

your speculation must've been based on something, right?

and I'm sure we would believe it if you said yes... unless we've gotten the wrong impression, and maybe it just means that you're depressed, then I'd want to believe. but otherwise unless maybe you think we're too dumb to notice the obvious clue, perhaps you chose your username in the interest of openness, and then why bother to deny it? so it seemed fair to ask out of curiosity. but I doubt if an admission would really change much here either... aside from leading to the next logical question of your motivation, but even that probably wouldn't be too surprising or worrisome.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:36 pm

by AGD

AlwaysBlue wrote:
AGD wrote:The problem with these Bitcoins is, that it will be very hard to cash out or even buying goods with it. These coins are tainted for a very long time. For example in Germany transactions above 10000€ (about 1 BTC at the present time) will be checked by banks for money laundering. So most likely the holder of the money will have to wait until the SR indictment is statute barred. Even after that time people will know where the money came from. Selling the Bitcoins off the record will be quite difficult. Who will buy coins, that will raise attention from LE and the risk of being confiscated? I wouldn't.
Go to this site: http://www.BustaBit.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Take a look at the leaderboard and look at the volumes of BTC being churned on this site

As soon as only one Satoshi of one of those wallets are deposited at this gambling site LE is going after Ryan and Daniel or whoever is in charge of the site now

smokebreaks wrote: In the US it is supposed to be over $10k triggers a SAR (suspicious activity report) but in actuality it's any convertible over $3,000. You buy $3k in money orders, it gets reported. You convert an asset to cash valued over $3k and someone is going to want to see an ID. Guaranteed that ID is registered as it's an entity sale. Hell, most banks now frown on any large cash deposits. Mine requires an ID everytime they hire a new teller, and I'm there almost every damn day.

One can only imagine the bells and whistles when a SWIFT transaction comes through for nearly a billion dollars.

So meanwhile as these coins sit, it keeps the value artificially inflated due to scarcity?

Isn't that kind of doing the exact opposite of the original intent?

If it is tied to the Silk Road BTC, and having it priced over $10,000 USD per, it kinda defeats the purpose of it being anonymous no?

Bitcoin has never been anonymous and it wasn't designed to be. At best it is pseudonymous, which means that you can't track coins to an individual unless you reveal your identity. This mostly happens when you cash out or you buy goods. Sure, many of the SR sellers went under the radar because LE didn't understand the concept of Bitcoin and what type of problems it actually solves, but Bitcoin tracking services became a lot better now and the higher the number the more motivation (and budget) is there to actually find the owner. As you can see, the Bitcoin scene is always monitoring 'famous' wallets and every move will be a social media topic.

About the scarcity thing. Those Bitcoins will definitely not be called dead or burnt, because they actually aren't. If one day LE gets their hands on it, they will be sold just like the ones they were able to confiscate from Ross in 2013.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:55 pm

by rSin

Hard to imagine that ALL inteligence agencies wernt bitcoin mining from the get go...

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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:19 am

by smokebreaks

Munchy wrote:your speculation must've been based on something, right?

and I'm sure we would believe it if you said yes... unless we've gotten the wrong impression, and maybe it just means that you're depressed, then I'd want to believe. but otherwise unless maybe you think we're too dumb to notice the obvious clue, perhaps you chose your username in the interest of openness, and then why bother to deny it? so it seemed fair to ask out of curiosity. but I doubt if an admission would really change much here either... aside from leading to the next logical question of your motivation, but even that probably wouldn't be too surprising or worrisome.

Dude could maybe just be a dyed in the wool AlwaysBlue democrat?!.

I honestly don't think it would be LEO to be honest but what if it is? So be it.

We don't have any problem with the legalities of this site.

We don't allow sales or advertising of any kind.

Specifically to this subject, I've never had a Silk Road account and never held any bitcoins or have any interest in it. I'm sure the US Government is keenly aware from scrutiny I'm certain we've already been subject to thanks to this little episode that we're not a money making commercial venture, and we're more of an opinionated hobbyist consortium.

Although our user base stretches across the globe and we've lost a lot of good people along the way, the people who post here are people in areas of the US where Marijuana is legal, that use this forum.

And the site itself is hosted in a country where it's legal as well, thanks to the The Canadian federal government announcing recreational use of cannabis would no longer violate the law in 2018.

In Canada, it's like home brewing.

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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:44 am

by smokebreaks

And it looks like they are finally getting the ball rolling on a sentencing date tentatively for Mongoose.

September 17, 2020

Honorable William H. Pauley
United States District Court
Southern District of New York
500 Pearl Street
New York, NY 10017
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark
15-cr-866 (WHP)

Dear Judge Pauley:

I write to ask the Court to set a sentencing date for Mr. Clark. As the Court knows, I have
requested that Mr. Clark's sentencing be delayed in light of the limitations the COVID-19
pandemic has imposed on my ability to communicate effectively with Mr. Clark and his ability to
participate fully in preparing a sentencing submission. Attorney-client visits have now resumed
at the MDC. Equally important, Mr. Clark's unit, which was on total lock down following an
incidents of violence at the facility is now back on "modified lockdown," which permits Mr. Clark
to be out of his cell and thereby access legal-research materials for three hours a day. After
consulting with the government I propose the following schedule: Mr. Clark's sentencing
submission would be due on November 6, 2020. The government would respond by November
16. Any defense reply would be filed on or before November 20, 2020. Sentencing would follow
at the Court's convenience.

I believe this amount of time is appropriate for several reasons. First, the MDC has been
on modified lockdown since March 2020. This has limited inmates' time out of their cells to threehours
a day. Mr. Clark advised me that during that window inmates have to line up for and eat
their meals, do laundry, take showers (there is always a line), and communicate with family. The
remaining time is minimal. Following an incident at the facility on June 28, 2020, Mr. Clark's unit
was locked down and searched for contraband by a special Bureau of Prisons squad. The unit has
been on an off lockdown since. During the June 28 search, the bulk of Mr. Clark's legal materials,
including documents he intends to use in helping me preparing his sentencing submission, was
thrown away. I have replaced that material in the interim, but during the search, Mr. Clark's
Case 1:15-cr-00866-WHP Document 61 Filed 09/17/20 Page 2 of 2
reading glasses were crushed. He was not given a medical appointment, which resulted in his
being issued a new pair of glasses, until August 7.

Additionally, I will need time to meet with Mr. Clark, review what he has prepared and
incorporate it into my own sentencing submission. This will be time-consuming.
For all of the reasons stated above, I ask that the Court adopt the schedule the parties
propose.

Respectfully submitted,
____ __,s/ _____ _
Stephanie Carvlin
cc: AUSA Michael Neff
AUSA Vladislav Vainsberg {via ECF)

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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:23 am

by Oldjoints

smokebreaks wrote: I honestly don't think it would be LEO to be honest but what if it is? So be it.

Wouldn’t matter to me, I’m legal and always assumed LE was watching anyway. I have known many cops and just like any profession there is good and bad....

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:32 am

by Prawn Connery

Munchy wrote:your speculation must've been based on something, right?

and I'm sure we would believe it if you said yes... unless we've gotten the wrong impression, and maybe it just means that you're depressed, then I'd want to believe. but otherwise unless maybe you think we're too dumb to notice the obvious clue, perhaps you chose your username in the interest of openness, and then why bother to deny it? so it seemed fair to ask out of curiosity. but I doubt if an admission would really change much here either... aside from leading to the next logical question of your motivation, but even that probably wouldn't be too surprising or worrisome.

Hey mate, have a look at the guy's posting history – I don't think he's LEO. Even if he was, well there's nothing stopping anyone from accessing a public site so we all have to assume that anyone is reading us at any time. Which is why I mostly stayed out of this thread and why I was a bit annoyed at people posting things on here initially that I thought could make the Feds' job a bit easier. Especially when journos/writers started asking questions and some people had no qualms about answering them on a public forum.

It may all be moot now, but in the begining – especially when it appeared PoM was going to fight the charges – the last thing any of us should have been doing is blabbing about what we knew. Of course, none of this is aimed at you. I'm just venting.

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:54 am

by Munchy

sorry I asked. seems there is some inside info about how POM just shaved 10 years off his sentence, but I guess we're supposed to ignore that to be all PC here now. I must've missed the memo when this site changed into a bunch of pussies, afraid to ask the obvious for fear of offending someone. but it seems that you keep trying to argue me down when we're already in agreement.. I tried to make clear enough to begin with what you guys keep telling me now as if I didn't already say basically the same thing: "so it seemed fair to ask out of curiosity. but I doubt if an admission would really change much here either... aside from leading to the next logical question of your motivation, but even that probably wouldn't be too surprising or worrisome."

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:34 am

by Prawn Connery

I'm not sure if that's directed at me, but if it is I think you've taken what I wrote the wrong way. Even after I said my post wasn't directed at you

In simple bullet points:

* I don't think AlwaysBlue is a cop – unless he was a bent cop – because he said he spent time inside

* Whether one member here is a cop or not should make no difference to the way we post – because anyone can read what we write

* I have no idea if PoM shaved 10 years off his sentence or not. He hasn't even been sentenced yet

* What little I know about PoM will never be revealed on an open forum because I'm not in the habit of making life easier for cops, journalists or anyone else who wishes to exploit his situation. Not that it would make much difference now

* Munchy needs to get laid

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:52 pm

by Intrinsic

I did like the idea of her being a democratic fanatic tho.

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:07 pm

by AlwaysBlue

Well well, looks like PoM getting some housekeeping done before his sentencing hearing in December. Smart move, will probably buy him a few years. Tainted coins would be worthless to anyone except the gvt, looks like those encrypted flash drives actually held something valuable after all

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54810976" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bitcoin: $1bn address with Silk Road links 'being transferred'

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:26 pm

by rSin

Holy shit! Thats got to be some record! Heh!!!

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:42 pm

by Jesús Malverde

I was just going to post up another version of the same story. Nearly a billion USD and no real way to ever spend it anonymously. Must be quite frustrating for whoever owns the wallet. Who ever thought that holding illegal profits in Bitcoin made even a little sense? Small timers, OK maybe, but a billion? I guess you could claim you cracked the passcode and just stole the money

Either way, unless it is some arm of the USG holding the wallet, the owner is fucked six ways

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:47 pm

by Blackie

Prawn Connery wrote:I just hope those bastards are rolling in Bitcoin. A few years in the clink for a multi-million payout isn't a bad little earner.

In fact, the Department of Justice says it tracked down the real holder of the funds, a person it calls “Individual X”, through their attempts to liquidate a small portion of the money in 2015. “On approximately 23 April 2015, [the bitcoin account] sent 101 bitcoin (approximately $23,700) to BTC-e, a company that provided bitcoin-related services and operated as an unlicensed cryptocurrency exchange,” the criminal complaint says.

Individual X, “whose identity is known to the government”, did not work with Silk Road, the complaint alleges. Instead, “Individual X was able to hack into Silk Road and gain unauthorised and illegal access to Silk Road and thereby steal the illicit cryptocurrency from Silk Road and move it into wallets that Individual X controlled.

“According to the investigation, [Ross Ulbricht, the now jailed founder of the site] became aware of Individual X’s online identity and threatened Individual X for return of the cryptocurrency to Ulbricht. Individual X did not return the cryptocurrency but kept it and did not spend it,” the complaint says.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -road-site" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Graun chimes in. Makes it highly unlikely Roger was ever the person holding the BTC stash. The fact that the USG is *still today* protecting the holder's identity suggests, to me at least, they were likely to be LE or a CI.

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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:33 pm

by smokebreaks

Well it may have been the coins that Tony stole from Ross that set off the whole murder for hire part of the story, but I’m still fairly confident that it was a part of the pre-sentencing bullshit the government goes through with defendants before their plea is finalized.

Mongoose had to have his ducks in a row before 11.6.2020.

Like I said yesterday, December 10th is the day we will know what he gets.

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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:43 am

by AlwaysBlue

smokebreaks wrote:Well it may have been the coins that Tony stole from Ross that set off the whole murder for hire part of the story, but I’m still fairly confident that it was a part of the pre-sentencing bullshit the government goes through with defendants before their plea is finalized.

Mongoose had to have his ducks in a row before 11.6.2020.

Like I said yesterday, December 10th is the day we will know what he gets.

Could you please post his sentencing submission which is now on the docket? I don't have access to PACER

Thank you sir

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:01 pm

by smokebreaks

AlwaysBlue wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:Well it may have been the coins that Tony stole from Ross that set off the whole murder for hire part of the story, but I’m still fairly confident that it was a part of the pre-sentencing bullshit the government goes through with defendants before their plea is finalized.

Mongoose had to have his ducks in a row before 11.6.2020.

Like I said yesterday, December 10th is the day we will know what he gets.
Could you please post his sentencing submission which is now on the docket? I don't have access to PACER

Thank you sir

It'd be a pretty big post if I were to do so.

Damn ZIP file has quite a few attachments

1-15-cr-00866-WHP.zip: (2.81 MiB) Downloaded 62 times

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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:36 am

by Jesús Malverde

Thanks smokes, that's going to take some time to go over, The descriptions of the conditions in the Thai pen are pretty shocking. I don't doubt the conditions in the NYC lockup were nearly as bad. The US penal system is more shithole country than first world.

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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:55 am

by AlwaysBlue

Thank you Smokebreak. Wow, pretty grim story (playing football with live prisoners? wtf??) but at least PoM will see sunlight again in 10 years or so, unlike RU

Thanks again for taking the time to post this

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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:35 pm

by smokebreaks

Dysentery, fungal infections, contaminated foods, forced copulations... fuck if any amount of bitcoin is worth the hell he describes.

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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:24 am

by Roots

Sounds like a week of living with my wife and I put up with it all just so I don’t have to sleep outside.

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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:15 am

by Prawn Connery

Roots wrote:Sounds like a week of living with my wife and I put up with it all just so I don’t have to sleep outside.

You complaining about forced copulations?

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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:29 am

by AGD

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The (attempted) murder for hire was especially egregious. And Clark is the one who urged it. Initially, Ulbricht wanted the $350,000 worth of stolen Bitcoin returned; as Ulbricht told “Nob,” Ulbricht wanted the thief to be roughed up ifhe refused to return the Bitcoins. But then Ulbricht messaged with Clark, and only a few messages into the conversation, Clark completely changed the tone: “enough about the theft, tell me about the organ donor.” Their conversation took less than 90 minutes; there was no need, evidently, to further discuss or weigh the decision to (try to) end another human being’s life. They believed he had stolen from them and jeopardized their criminal empire, and that was that. In his messages, Clark emphasized the importance of protecting Silk Road from a suspected rogue insider—a person who had the ability to reset others’ passwords and who had access to others’ private messages and potentially customers’ addresses. Clark also expressed the concern that the rogue insider would cooperate with law enforcement.In short, ending another person’s life was a small price to pay—in Clark’s view—in order to protect his and Ulbricht’s online empire. As noted above, Clark told Ulbricht, “You would have surprised me if you had balked at taking the step, of bluntly, killing Curtis for fucking up just a wee bit too badly.” Astonishingly, Clark was entirely nonchalant about murder, as though this were a conversation about an ordinary business decision. Clark told Ulbricht, “I’m perfectly comfortable with the decision, and I’ll sleep like a lamb tonight, and every night hereafter.” Clark’s reaction speaks—quite clearly and loudly—to Clark’s character, including his penchant for violence and his stunning lack of remorse at seeking to end another’s life. Whereas Ulbricht appeared to grapple with how to respond, Clark had neither hesitation nor qualms about killing. Clark’s reaction is that of a cold-blooded killer—a man who simply did not care that he was causing others the ultimate harm or suffering.In sum, the nature and circumstances of this offense—including its seriousness, sophistication, deception, duration, harmfulness, and violence—call for an extremely serious sentence. Such a sentence is also needed to ensure just punishment and to protect the public from further crimes of the defendant. The defendant has no regard for others’ lives or wellbeing, but hedoes appear to have easy access to a hitman through whom he can cause severe harm. This is a chilling combination.

When I asked PoM about this part of the story, he has sent me following clip as an answer, which btw was the first time I watched a video of this duo. Costed me hours to watch all the seasons and cameos I could find back then...

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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:55 pm

by Munchy

smokebreaks wrote:...Like I said yesterday, December 10th is the day we will know what he gets.

anyone have an update yet?

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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:40 am

by AlwaysBlue

Munchy wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:...Like I said yesterday, December 10th is the day we will know what he gets.
anyone have an update yet?

Sentencing postponed again. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PoM sits in MDC indefinitely

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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:21 pm

by Munchy

thanks. has anyone written to POM or know the correct address to do so, and/or to send him commissary funds?

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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:06 pm

by Munchy

for whatever it's worth, sent a message to Trump
at: newsadmin@whitehouse.gov
requesting a pardon for Roger Thomas Clark

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:48 am

by Blackie

Southern District of New York
U.S. Attorneys » Southern District of New York » News » Press Releases
Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
Southern District of New York

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/co ... ement-silk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Friday, December 18, 2020

Computer Programmer Sentenced To Prison For Making False Statements About His Involvement In The “Silk Road” Website

Audrey Strauss, the Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced that MICHAEL R. WEIGAND, a/k/a “Shabang,” a/k/a “~Shabang~,” a/k/a “~s,” a/k/a “s,” was sentenced to eight months in prison today for making false statements to federal agents about his involvement in, and his work for, the “Silk Road” online illicit black market, which was responsible for distributing hundreds of millions of dollars of narcotics and other contraband. WEIGAND’s false statements concealed his role in the operation of the Silk Road website. WEIGAND previously pled guilty before United States District Judge William H. Pauley III, who also imposed today’s sentence.

Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss said: “Michael Weigand supplied technological advice directly to the leadership of Silk Road, a secret online marketplace for criminal activity. He laundered Silk Road proceeds and traveled overseas to remove Silk Road evidence from a co-conspirator’s residence. Weigand subsequently lied to law enforcement, falsely claiming to have done nothing for Silk Road, and has now been sentenced to prison for that knowing falsehood.”

According to the Information, court filings, statements made in court, and evidence presented during the 2015 trial of Ross Ulbricht, Silk Road’s founder and chief administrator:

Ulbricht created Silk Road in approximately January 2011, and owned and operated the underground website until it was shut down by law enforcement in October 2013. Silk Road emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet at the time. During its more than two-and-a-half years in operation, Silk Road was used by several thousand drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute hundreds of kilograms of illegal drugs and other illicit goods and services to well over one hundred thousand buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars deriving from these unlawful transactions. Silk Road was specifically designed to allow its users to buy and sell drugs and other illegal goods and services anonymously and outside the reach of law enforcement through the use of the Tor network and a Bitcoin-based payment system.

WEIGAND, a computer programmer and electrical engineer, worked with Roger Thomas Clark, the senior adviser to Ulbricht, on certain aspects of Silk Road. For instance, WEIGAND and Clark worked to identify technological vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website. WEIGAND also supplied technological advice directly to Clark and Ulbricht. After Silk Road was shut down in October 2013, WEIGAND laundered more than $75,000 in Silk Road proceeds. In addition, in late 2013, the Government disclosed that it had been able to access the contents of Ulbricht’s laptop computer, which identified Clark as Ulbricht’s right-hand man; shortly after this revelation, Clark transferred more than $20,000 to WEIGAND in Bitcoin, and WEIGAND traveled to Clark’s London residence and removed Silk Road evidence.

In January 2019, WEIGAND was questioned by IRS and FBI Special Agents. After being specifically warned that it is a federal crime to make a false statement to a federal law enforcement officer, WEIGAND attempted to cover up his involvement in Silk Road by falsely stating, among other things, that (1) he never opened an account on Silk Road; (2) he never used the online pseudonyms “Shabang” or “~Shabang~”; (3) he never transferred Bitcoin to Silk Road; (4) he never exposed computer security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website; (5) he never communicated with anyone who used the online pseudonym “Dread Pirate Roberts,” “DPR,” or “Silk Road” (i.e., Ulbricht); (6) he never performed any services for the Silk Road website; and (7) he did not know the true identity of “Variety Jones” (one of Clark’s pseudonyms) on Silk Road. WEIGAND also falsely stated that the purpose of his trip to London in late 2013, following the takedown of the Silk Road website and arrest of Ulbricht, was to meet with Clark’s associate regarding a marijuana seed business; in fact, WEIGAND went to Clark’s London residence and removed physical Silk Road evidence.

In addition to his prison term, WEIGAND, 59, of Kirtland, Ohio, was sentenced to three years of supervised release.

The founder and operator of Silk Road, Ross Ulbricht, was previously convicted of seven offenses after a jury trial: distributing narcotics, distributing narcotics by means of the Internet, conspiring to distribute narcotics, engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiring to commit computer hacking, conspiring to traffic in false identity documents, and conspiring to commit money laundering. Ulbricht was sentenced principally to life in prison and $183 million in forfeiture.

Ulbricht’s senior adviser, Roger Thomas Clark, pled guilty to conspiring to distribute narcotics and his sentencing is currently pending. Clark faces a maximum potential sentence of 20 years in prison.

* * *

Ms. Strauss praised the outstanding joint efforts of the Boston Field Office of the Internal Revenue Service – Criminal Investigation, the New York and Washington Field Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the New York Field Office of Homeland Security Investigations, and the New York City Police Department. Ms. Strauss also thanked the FBI’s Cleveland Office for its assistance.

This case is being prosecuted by the Office’s Complex Frauds and Cybercrime Unit. Assistant United States Attorney Michael D. Neff is in charge of the prosecution.

Topic(s): Cyber Crime
Component(s): USAO - New York, Southern
Contact: James Margolin, Nicholas Biase
(212) 637-2600
Press Release Number: 20-296
Updated December 18, 2020

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:55 am

by Jesús Malverde

Ha, I just came here to post the same thing. Fake Shabang gets 8 months, its gonna make whatever Roger gets sentenced to (unless it's time served) pretty unfair.

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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:46 am

by bentech

In his final weeks in office before Joe Biden's inauguration, President Donald Trump is weighing granting clemency to Ross Ulbricht, the founder and former administrator of the world's most famous darknet drug market, Silk Road, The Daily Beast has learned. According to three people familiar with the matter, the White House counsel's office has had documents related to Ulbricht's case under review, and Trump was recently made aware of the situation and the pleas of the Silk Road founder's allies. Two of these sources say the president has at times privately expressed some sympathy for Ulbricht's situation and has been considering his name, among others, for his next round of commutations and pardons before the Jan. 20 inauguration of his 2020 Democratic opponent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-con ... ng-charges" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:26 pm

by Prawn Connery

Poor old fake ~shabang~

We all knew him. He was one of us. If he's reading this, I'm so sorry for you mate.

I feel sorry for PoM also, but PoM always sailed close to the wind while me other ol' mate was perhaps a tad naive to tag along. I hope Ross gets his pardon too. Hopefully FS (fake ~s~) will be out in a few months on good behaviour and/or time served.

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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:03 pm

by dill786

he will be out in 3 months with good behaviour.....

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:34 pm

by WhiteHotAfterburner

smokebreaks wrote:
AlwaysBlue wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:Well it may have been the coins that Tony stole from Ross that set off the whole murder for hire part of the story, but I’m still fairly confident that it was a part of the pre-sentencing bullshit the government goes through with defendants before their plea is finalized.

Mongoose had to have his ducks in a row before 11.6.2020.

Like I said yesterday, December 10th is the day we will know what he gets.
Could you please post his sentencing submission which is now on the docket? I don't have access to PACER

Thank you sir
It'd be a pretty big post if I were to do so.

63_Page_01.jpg
Damn ZIP file has quite a few attachments

1-15-cr-00866-WHP.zip

Man, I tried getting through all of this just to find out if there was a commissary fund I could donate to. I got about a dozen pages in - and while it is an interesting thread, thanks Smokes! - I headed to the last page and backed up in the pages to find an appropriate post in which to ask about it.

Is there a inmate fund for Mr. Clark?

PoM never did me wrong. He was always kind and considerate to me. He sent me some goodies out of pocket.

I hope he is well and lives through his sentence. I hope to possibly chat at least one more time with him. To at least read his words again. He is a great story teller. IF I can buy him some treats or needs while he's doing his time it is the least I can do and I'm willing right now to do it!

You're not bad writer either, Smokes. Well done, sir!

Regards,
WHAB

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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:15 am

by smokebreaks

Thanks WHAB, and welcome back. I am honestly not an overly verbose guy these days.
I was just reading the DOJ release about the ~s persona from the DOJ...

I hate to say it, and someday he's likely to read this, and it sucks to be that guy... truthfully.

I thank god I never had anything to do with the whole damn thing but the person I have the most empathy for is Ross.

The craziest part of the story? Mongoose well... he's always been full of shit but he was always entertaining as hell.

I really hope they let him get the fuck outta here after all the bullshit that he went through in Thailand.

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:53 am

by WhiteHotAfterburner

smokebreaks wrote:Thanks WHAB, and welcome back. I am honestly not an overly verbose guy these days.
I was just reading the DOJ release about the ~s persona from the DOJ...

I hate to say it, and someday he's likely to read this, and it sucks to be that guy... truthfully.

I thank god I never had anything to do with the whole damn thing but the person I have the most empathy for is Ross.

The craziest part of the story? Mongoose well... he's always been full of shit but he was always entertaining as hell.

I really hope they let him get the fuck outta here after all the bullshit that he went through in Thailand.

You're welcome, smokes! And, thank you...good to be back.

Well, you certainly have a knack for it...

Yeah...all of it is fucked up on a certain level...adults putting in their own bodies substances they voluntarily consume fully knowing the ramifications or consequences of doing so. And, yeah, I hope they all get out - quickly. On top of that, I hope they all have something stashed to carry them through.

All the very best to ya, smokes!

,
WHAB

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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:37 pm

by EthicalGrower

Blackie wrote:Southern District of New York
U.S. Attorneys » Southern District of New York » News » Press Releases
Department of Justice
U.S. Attorney’s Office
Southern District of New York

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/co ... ement-silk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Friday, December 18, 2020

Computer Programmer Sentenced To Prison For Making False Statements About His Involvement In The “Silk Road” Website

Audrey Strauss, the Acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced that MICHAEL R. WEIGAND, a/k/a “Shabang,” a/k/a “~Shabang~,” a/k/a “~s,” a/k/a “s,” was sentenced to eight months in prison today for making false statements to federal agents about his involvement in, and his work for, the “Silk Road” online illicit black market, which was responsible for distributing hundreds of millions of dollars of narcotics and other contraband. WEIGAND’s false statements concealed his role in the operation of the Silk Road website. WEIGAND previously pled guilty before United States District Judge William H. Pauley III, who also imposed today’s sentence.

Acting U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss said: “Michael Weigand supplied technological advice directly to the leadership of Silk Road, a secret online marketplace for criminal activity. He laundered Silk Road proceeds and traveled overseas to remove Silk Road evidence from a co-conspirator’s residence. Weigand subsequently lied to law enforcement, falsely claiming to have done nothing for Silk Road, and has now been sentenced to prison for that knowing falsehood.”

According to the Information, court filings, statements made in court, and evidence presented during the 2015 trial of Ross Ulbricht, Silk Road’s founder and chief administrator:

Ulbricht created Silk Road in approximately January 2011, and owned and operated the underground website until it was shut down by law enforcement in October 2013. Silk Road emerged as the most sophisticated and extensive criminal marketplace on the Internet at the time. During its more than two-and-a-half years in operation, Silk Road was used by several thousand drug dealers and other unlawful vendors to distribute hundreds of kilograms of illegal drugs and other illicit goods and services to well over one hundred thousand buyers, and to launder hundreds of millions of dollars deriving from these unlawful transactions. Silk Road was specifically designed to allow its users to buy and sell drugs and other illegal goods and services anonymously and outside the reach of law enforcement through the use of the Tor network and a Bitcoin-based payment system.

WEIGAND, a computer programmer and electrical engineer, worked with Roger Thomas Clark, the senior adviser to Ulbricht, on certain aspects of Silk Road. For instance, WEIGAND and Clark worked to identify technological vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website. WEIGAND also supplied technological advice directly to Clark and Ulbricht. After Silk Road was shut down in October 2013, WEIGAND laundered more than $75,000 in Silk Road proceeds. In addition, in late 2013, the Government disclosed that it had been able to access the contents of Ulbricht’s laptop computer, which identified Clark as Ulbricht’s right-hand man; shortly after this revelation, Clark transferred more than $20,000 to WEIGAND in Bitcoin, and WEIGAND traveled to Clark’s London residence and removed Silk Road evidence.

In January 2019, WEIGAND was questioned by IRS and FBI Special Agents. After being specifically warned that it is a federal crime to make a false statement to a federal law enforcement officer, WEIGAND attempted to cover up his involvement in Silk Road by falsely stating, among other things, that (1) he never opened an account on Silk Road; (2) he never used the online pseudonyms “Shabang” or “~Shabang~”; (3) he never transferred Bitcoin to Silk Road; (4) he never exposed computer security vulnerabilities in the Silk Road website; (5) he never communicated with anyone who used the online pseudonym “Dread Pirate Roberts,” “DPR,” or “Silk Road” (i.e., Ulbricht); (6) he never performed any services for the Silk Road website; and (7) he did not know the true identity of “Variety Jones” (one of Clark’s pseudonyms) on Silk Road. WEIGAND also falsely stated that the purpose of his trip to London in late 2013, following the takedown of the Silk Road website and arrest of Ulbricht, was to meet with Clark’s associate regarding a marijuana seed business; in fact, WEIGAND went to Clark’s London residence and removed physical Silk Road evidence.

In addition to his prison term, WEIGAND, 59, of Kirtland, Ohio, was sentenced to three years of supervised release.

The founder and operator of Silk Road, Ross Ulbricht, was previously convicted of seven offenses after a jury trial: distributing narcotics, distributing narcotics by means of the Internet, conspiring to distribute narcotics, engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, conspiring to commit computer hacking, conspiring to traffic in false identity documents, and conspiring to commit money laundering. Ulbricht was sentenced principally to life in prison and $183 million in forfeiture.

Ulbricht’s senior adviser, Roger Thomas Clark, pled guilty to conspiring to distribute narcotics and his sentencing is currently pending. Clark faces a maximum potential sentence of 20 years in prison.

* * *

Ms. Strauss praised the outstanding joint efforts of the Boston Field Office of the Internal Revenue Service – Criminal Investigation, the New York and Washington Field Offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the New York Field Office of Homeland Security Investigations, and the New York City Police Department. Ms. Strauss also thanked the FBI’s Cleveland Office for its assistance.

This case is being prosecuted by the Office’s Complex Frauds and Cybercrime Unit. Assistant United States Attorney Michael D. Neff is in charge of the prosecution.

Topic(s): Cyber Crime
Component(s): USAO - New York, Southern
Contact: James Margolin, Nicholas Biase
(212) 637-2600
Press Release Number: 20-296
Updated December 18, 2020

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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:19 am

by Prawn Connery

EthicalGrower wrote:

Do you know what would be really funny?

If someone posted up your real personal details and casually mentioned the fact that you were colluding with PoM around the same time he was helping Ulbricht with Silk Road.

That would be hilarious.

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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:26 pm

by EthicalGrower

Prawn Connery wrote:
EthicalGrower wrote:
Do you know what would be really funny?

If someone posted up your real personal details and casually mentioned the fact that you were colluding with PoM around the same time he was helping Ulbricht with Silk Road.

That would be hilarious.

Clearly I'm the half.

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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:23 am

by smokebreaks

Prawn Connery wrote:
Roots wrote:Over 20 years on these boards and I would only call two and half of you guys good people.....and I’m still on the fence with about three or four of you turds.
Clearly I'm the half.

Don’t sell yourself short. Pun intended.

Since you and I also know who we are as well and you’re not some served up ocean roach, I will share with you an absolutely fabulous tale.

So I arrive in London one night on a long haul flight back from India. After traveling the historical Silk Road, you know where like Silk is hand collected and sold for pennies to the USD in Indian Rupees? Anyhow the flight from India to where I am, it’s like 22+ hours in the tube, to break it up I opted to stay for a couple days in London during the Christmas holiday.

Upon my arrival it is fucking snowing in god damn London! This was most unusual as I recall Charles Dickens, the author of A Christmas Carol as you know, apparently had never seen snow in his life, or so the tour guide on the gray line said... since I’m wearing beach wear from the shores of the Arabian Sea I just left some 17 hours earlier where it was like 40°C. I needed to find some clothes appropriate to the climate. At this time we have the concierge summon a car so my wife and I can head off to Harrod’s in search of fashions.

Sorry but lemme give you a little backstory here because as we’re traipsing around I’m getting a little price shock because of what shit costs in England compared to where I just had silk suits hand tailored for $100. I bought a Remington made coat, a Polo sweatshirt and a Polo shirt, was like £600 or something plus a VAT tax. Crazy system the Brits got over there, but I was like in disbelief because in Bangalore or wherever the machine is sewing this week I know the shirt sold for less than $7 wholesale because that’s what I can buy it for in the states from my wholesaler @ ssactivewear.com

Anyhow later that evening for lack of things to do we took the tube out to Surbiton and met up with Mongoose and headed out for some drinks and Christmas caroling eventually ending at The Mad Hatter across the street from the residence that Mongoose resided in.

It was over about a dozen or so pints as we discussed this business model of Harrod’s, vs American Department stores and how Harrod’s operates. For those unfamiliar, in the states they call Harrod’s a department store, which we in the states think of more as Kohl’s, Target or Wal-Mart, whereas in other places, stores operate more as if they are part of a Mecca or say a flea market that charges floor rent, but also takes a commission on the sales.

Which is kind of like say how a shopping mall operates here in the states...or say ebay?

When in India, we went to this flea market out on Anjuna Beach...(google it)
when you do, you’ll learn that it has been the site of this sort of hippie freak fest held weekly since the acid loving folks found the palm tree beach lined shores of Goa about the time George Harrison was singing Hari Krishna in My Sweet Lord.

https://hippie-inheels.com/anjuna-flea-market/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Our conversation that night?

You would not believe this but from that moment we talked about that market and the business model of taking a commission from the sale he went into elaborate details as to how he had envisioned himself to become the Sir Richard Branson of Cannabis in an online marketplace for all things illicit. Wow, the delusions of grandeur that one had. Or so I thought?

He made some pretty interesting statements throughout the course of the evening regarding what he claimed he wanted to do with the acquisition of all the entities he was ultimately unsuccessful in trying to wrestle from Gypsy Nirvana.

You remember when he was spewing those tales on the pages of PG claiming that he was going to bring back overgrow.com? Odd he would figure that he would be so successful while he was also seemingly going to great lengths to aggravate anyone involved professionally in the weed business?

At that point we had approached last call and we made our way across the street where he awoke his roommate to summon us a car to take us back to our hotel. Once in the car, I leaned over and told my wife he was completely full of shit after he claimed he forgot his wallet at the first pub we went to and it ended up costing me about £200 for the night out she replied “it was cheap entertainment” as the car dropped us off down the street from the hotel the Russians poisoned Vicktor Yeshenko at earlier in the week.

I’m hopeful that our friend EG here was just being a jerk and is not making light of the others’ most perilous adventures in cyberspace as the circumstances you describe would most likely be of keen interest to those who just gave their heads a scratch wondering what the fuck they just read?

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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:53 am

by Munchy

I was thinking of challenging the claim for the half,
but then figured juice would just say I was being terribly over-confident, lol

but ^ story reminds me of when my wife and I met with POM in a 'dam pub, was it '02 or '04? he had promised to cover our room there for like $300, but then after a couple of Heinekens he made some excuse for not being able to kick in for our stay after all... I don't recall why, but most likely it was allegedly Gypsy's fault, as he was tyrannically keeping POM tied up to his PC the whole time, trying to get IC launched. anyways POM had actually seen fit to grant our distressed appeal to some degree $... I forget whether it was in full or part, but he certainly had tried to stiff us good there... although I quickly forgave him, as he hadn't really owed me anything beyond the generous $ promise that had enticed and enabled us to go, and he had ultimately came through for us, but yeh, that ye ol' pub stiffness scene had initially happened.

so smokes, can you maybe help us find the mailing addy for him to get commissary donations? ...anyone?

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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:45 pm

by rSin

missed my invite knowing i couldnt afford it...

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:40 am

by Jesús Malverde

Dampkring gets points for the beautiful premises for a coffeeshop, I saw the staff be short and almost nasty with a few customers but they were loud British louts so I commiserated. They turned me on to Amnesia Haze too. Grey Area was kind of a dump but much less formal and hardass seeming, American sounding guy, they'd happily aimlessly bullshit for an hour, can't see that happening at Dampkring, it's like the Nordstrom's of coffeeshops. I like A'dam off-season, but the cannabis shops here are honestly much better than the ones there. NL are—again—making noises about limiting sales to citizens so visitors would be back to scoring from street dealers again. Be a bizarro-world nostalgia trip for me doing that there in A'dam actually, I haven't bought from a black market dealer in the US in years. Euros in general are ridiculously backward when it comes to cannabis, just living in the past century and oblivious.

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:11 am

by Roots

Think we can put bitcoins on his books?

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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:28 am

by AGD

Jesús Malverde wrote: snip...

Euros in general are ridiculously backward when it comes to cannabis, just living in the past century and oblivious.

So damn true...

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:31 am

by Prawn Connery

Ah, good times. I've got an inbox full of PoM's plans. The irony is, if he had access to that Bitcoin wallet right now he'd be richer than Elon Musk . . . So in a way, he pulled it off. And then lost it.

I hope he at least managed to hide some away. Maybe if we're all still around when he gets out he can buy us a beer. Or even a brewery!

smokebreaks wrote:I’m hopeful that our friend EG here was just being a jerk and is not making light of the others’ most perilous adventures in cyberspace as the circumstances you describe would most likely be of keen interest to those who just gave their heads a scratch wondering what the fuck they just read?

I don't think he'll be back. It's one thing being a prick because that's your online persona, but something else when shit is real.

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:36 am

by Prawn Connery

Roots wrote:Where is x3n0 or what ever he called himself, he was a miserable prick.

Here you go. I found an old email from R2D2 I think you'll enjoy

x3n0 wrote:I warned roller of what I was going to do days before this went down.
Coupled with the deletion at OG and ~S~ coming out of hiding - this
has been pretty good for the tank.
No more pot site thing for me. Not fun. Have fun with MGG. I want to
have some fun with juice now.
Now that we got our shit straight - Please continue to threaten and
troll me publicly, thats what the Tank is all about. Occasionally I'll
pull off some nifty hacking tricks and I'll be a general dick to
everyone.... especially Juice.

circa 2004

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:04 pm

by Roots

How could someone who can’t spell and can hardly form a sentence get on so many peoples nerves..?

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:52 pm

by smokebreaks

Roots wrote:How could someone who can’t spell and can hardly form a sentence get on so many peoples nerves..?

dude, we been asking similar questions about you for nearly 20 years now.

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:22 pm

by Roots

It’s 2 1/4 now....the half just made a dumb Facebook post.

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:19 am

by AGD

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:40 pm

by smokebreaks

Roots wrote:It’s 2 1/4 now....the half just made a dumb Facebook post.

in my defense, the Bacon and Cheddar Stuffed Meatloaf really is the best thing you can do for your taste buds.

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:08 pm

by Jesús Malverde

That's so Chicago I have no words.

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:49 pm

by rSin

Got extended family in chicago. Damn they talk funny. Not to mention are racist

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:07 am

by Roots

I put the bacon under the meatloaf, cheese has no place in a meatloaf....I also use oats, homemade croutons, homegrown eggs and white onion....topped with a crusty tomato brown sugar sauce.

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:37 pm

by Mr. Natural

I watched Silk Road expecting to see at least a mention of POM but was disappointed.

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:05 pm

by smokebreaks

Roots wrote:I put the bacon under the meatloaf, cheese has no place in a meatloaf....I also use oats, homemade croutons, homegrown eggs and white onion....topped with a crusty tomato brown sugar sauce.

fucking hippies...

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:21 pm

by Prawn Connery

Who the fuck uses Facebook?

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:26 pm

by Oldjoints

Most intrusive site on the internet...... nope not me.

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:56 pm

by rSin

Its called STALKERbook for good reason

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:03 pm

by Roots

By far the best trolling I’ve ever done was on Facebook using a fake account....There probably isn’t a Facebook user in my county who doesn’t know of my troll account.

I messed up one day and replied thinking I was using the troll account but I was really using mine....I deleted it within 30 seconds but I couldn’t fuck around anymore with that handle.

Half the county wanted to kill me, the other half wanted to name a holiday after me...good times.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:15 am

by bentech

so
should we bring flags
or shovels?

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:44 am

by Prawn Connery

Keep trollin, trollin, trollin, trollin . . .

Facebook still sucks

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:13 am

by Roots

I would say flags.

Most my targets were dirt bag thief’s, hometown rappers that think they are hard and a few people cheating on their spouses.

When Al Jezera (OG’s Kramerpit) passed away I had no one to talk about trolling with, my wife just isn’t impressed with my trolling accomplishments.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:21 am

by Roots

*Me trolling*

Wife: Why do you have a grin on your face

Me: Watching a funny video

Wife: Yeah right, who you fucking with now.

Me: What?

Wife: You fucking heard me.

Me: What’s for dinner

Wife: Don’t try to change the topic

Me fake sleeping: ZzzzzZzzzzzZzzzz

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:31 am

by Prawn Connery

Roots wrote:I would say flags.

Most my targets were dirt bag thief’s, hometown rappers that think they are hard and a few people cheating on their spouses.

When Al Jezera (OG’s Kramerpit) passed away I had no one to talk about trolling with, my wife just isn’t impressed with my trolling accomplishments.

I'm sorry to hear that. I liked him. I always thought it was funny that everyone thought he was you. Maybe he was

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:34 am

by Prawn Connery

Roots wrote:*Me trolling*

Wife: Why do you have a grin on your face

Me: Watching a funny video

Wife: Yeah right, who you fucking with now.

Me: What?

Wife: You fucking heard me.

Me: What’s for dinner

Wife: Don’t try to change the topic

Me fake sleeping: ZzzzzZzzzzzZzzzz

LOL! My wife used to catch me with that maniacal laugh and she just knew what I was up to. I guess that's why we're still married after 20 years. I don't know how the fuck she puts up with me. Maybe coz I'm such a nice guy IRL.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:05 pm

by bentech

my girls have all known not to get in the way of me and online...

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:38 pm

by smokebreaks

Yer all a bunch of wankers if you ask me, but I’m not one to judge to be honest

each marches to the beat of their own drummer, and that’s what makes the world a wonderfully interesting place.

I hope Mongoose gets sorted soon.

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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:14 am

by smokebreaks

March 8, 2021. ? Hope he didn't get the covid!

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:35 pm

by AlwaysBlue

Good morning!

Any PoM update? When is our friend being sentenced?

thank you

AB

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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:30 pm

by AlwaysBlue

Good morning all

I see a sentencing submission on PoM's docket. Could someone with PACER access kindly post this here?

Thank you and happy trails

AB

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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:21 pm

by smokebreaks

He was supposed to be sentenced on 4/20 but has fallen ill and is now postponed indefinitely with updates due to the court every 2 weeks.

Next update due from lawyer on May 4.

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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:41 am

by PGs GossipGrrl™

images/smilies/mutley2.gif" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

so...is POM dead yet, been 2mo since last post here.

BTW, love the revisionist history by Prawn on the welcome back to Gypmenot on IC, what a joke!

Hey, Gagabout/Unethical Grower...u took down the servers for security reasons...rflmao, you wouldn't know security if it bit you in the ass.

Remember my post to u on PG, where you grumble ur sorry ass @me in dismissiveness>>> Marathon Man... "is it safe?" "is it safe?"

Hey Smokes...sorry to hear about ur dad, & especially ur mom with dementia. But you dumbarss libtards wouldn't have a clue to commarade Bernie, and Medicare for All is/will be a disaster for all...I went through the craptastic healthcare system in the US, Medicare for seniors is getting worse and worse, almost solent green like in it's nausating ways of killing off people to save a buck.

Meanwhile you commie AOC.Cryin Chuck, Icecream Pelosi, crazy cackling goose Harris are responsible for in just 6mo, enough fentanyl from our great CCP/Mex Cartels to kill every person in the US...if there were such a big pharma way to accurately measure 2000ug doses to kill all 'equally' or is that BLM 'equity' ...getting mixed up on the wake in Vape Alien OG, 36%thc

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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:49 am

by roller24

[image]images/smilies/mutley2.gif[/image]

image tag must be fucked. It wants full url
Been a while.. nice to see you again.

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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:24 pm

by smokebreaks

I just had a trip down the fentanyl midazolam propofol highway and it’s a pretty wild ride, but uniquely American. You see, I’ve traveled to exotic locations all across the globe and funniest thing, the drug abuse/od rates in the states are off the charts mostly due to the illegality of the drugs.

You really don’t see an opioid epidemic in most places beyond the US borders especially not where access is available freely, meaning no bullshit DEA regulations.

For the land of the free, there sure are a lot of restrictions placed on its citizenry.

Thankfully for some of us, those rules don’t always apply.

As for Medicare for All, in civilized societies healthcare is a basic right, not a for-profit industry, and since Medicare sets the basis rate for all insurance reimbursement rates, why not just let one entity handle it since they are already set up to process claims and whatnot? Taking care of others instead of beating them while they’re down, kinda Quixote idealism but I digress.

I tell ya this though, Dementia is probably hereditary, cause I thought for sure we’d banned your ass years ago.

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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:33 pm

by mistergrafik

Oh shit!

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:37 pm

by smokebreaks

so it seems he's got some sort of brain fog from the corona virus ? next update due to the courts 6/25

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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:59 am

by Prawn Connery

PGs GossipGrrl™ wrote:images/smilies/mutley2.gif

so...is POM dead yet, been 2mo since last post here.

BTW, love the revisionist history by Prawn on the welcome back to Gypmenot on IC, what a joke!

Hey, Gagabout/Unethical Grower...u took down the servers for security reasons...rflmao, you wouldn't know security if it bit you in the ass.

Remember my post to u on PG, where you grumble ur sorry ass @me in dismissiveness>>> Marathon Man... "is it safe?" "is it safe?"

Hey Smokes...sorry to hear about ur dad, & especially ur mom with dementia. But you dumbarss libtards wouldn't have a clue to commarade Bernie, and Medicare for All is/will be a disaster for all...I went through the craptastic healthcare system in the US, Medicare for seniors is getting worse and worse, almost solent green like in it's nausating ways of killing off people to save a buck.

Meanwhile you commie AOC.Cryin Chuck, Icecream Pelosi, crazy cackling goose Harris are responsible for in just 6mo, enough fentanyl from our great CCP/Mex Cartels to kill every person in the US...if there were such a big pharma way to accurately measure 2000ug doses to kill all 'equally' or is that BLM 'equity' ...getting mixed up on the wake in Vape Alien OG, 36%thc

Thank you! Coming from someone of your diminutive stature and experience, that means a lot to me! 39 pages in and you still read it

"Libtard" – LOL! – maybe I underestimated you. You've got your very own vocabulary now. Pity you know fuck-all about universal healthcare. We've had it in Australia for decades. It works. Shame some fuckwits in America can't understand the concept. Have fun paying for your rip-off health insurance. Or dying. One of the two. Whatever

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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:19 pm

by mistergrafik

Oh shit times 2!

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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:02 am

by AlwaysBlue

Good morning everyone!

Could someone with PACER access kindly post the recent sentencing submission of Clark that appears at April 8 2021 on the docket
(here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

Thank you very much

AB

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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:29 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Libtard

Thanks for the QAnon/Trumper word salad bud, nobody with a better than room temperature IQ defends the cartoon villain, US for-profit system unless their paycheck depends on it. I'm guessing the former in your special case there wingnut.

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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:16 pm

by mistergrafik

Jesús Malverde wrote:Libtard

Thanks for the QAnon/Trumper word salad bud, nobody with a better than room temperature IQ defends the cartoon villain, US for-profit system unless their paycheck depends on it. I'm guessing the former in your special case there wingnut.

HAHA! Thanks for the new insult. I am going to go use it now... The one about the IQ and room temperaturez

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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:52 pm

by ben ttech

let em earn their stripes...

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:05 am

by bentech

back in the day
she was a good time...

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:11 pm

by smokebreaks

Now we've got a change of judge for sentencing and an update on Mongoose's health due July 23rd.

file0.72589163672286.pdf: (84.9 KiB) Downloaded 43 times

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:16 pm

by smokebreaks

file0.319903899953839.pdf: (99.64 KiB) Downloaded 50 times

There ya go, seems he got sick

AlwaysBlue wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:02 am
Good morning everyone!

Could someone with PACER access kindly post the recent sentencing submission of Clark that appears at April 8 2021 on the docket
(here: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

Thank you very much

AB

Plural of Mongoose

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:22 pm

by mistergrafik

Interesting stuff. As it always is ~

I wasn't following before but I'm following now

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:35 pm

by Munchy

read this: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:05 pm

by mistergrafik

Munchy wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:35 pm
read this: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11022

I'm only on page 9.. But things make more sense seemingly

Good plug Munchy thank you I hadn't stumbled on that during my coffee digging.
Usually I just end up in the COmpost Pile looking at the beefs.

This is far more rich..

Difficult to understand for me really.. It's like a book of sorts

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:12 pm

by Munchy

it may become a sequel to this movie:

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:17 pm

by mistergrafik

Munchy wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:12 pm
it may become a sequel to this movie:

I thought I was pretty good.. But POM seems kinds Godly..
Smokes even .. Well shit.

I've just been wide open this whole damn time.

* kicks over sattelite dish, rewires laptop to external server, scrambles IP*

Hey do they still make chat apps where you can remove your contact from the remote end?
I feel like fresh bait right now

I should be good posting here right?

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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:30 pm

by Munchy

mistergrafik wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:17 pm
... I should be good posting here right?

probably better than most places, but it's obviously never safe to incriminate yourself in any way.
if any po-po already has your number, assume they can see whatever and wherever you post.

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:37 am

by mr_infinity

any updates guys about clark situation , health , sentence?

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:05 am

by roller24

here is a good way to keep up with the proceedings.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/

latest ive seen

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:36 am

by Munchy

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:37 pm
so it seems he's got some sort of brain fog from the corona virus ? next update due to the courts 6/25

Thanks for that link Roller, but I don't know why it cuts off at Apr 5,
I found another which is more current, with a different docket #
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/

"The sentencing in this case was previously scheduled for October 21, 2021 at 11:00 a.m.
Upon defense counsel’s request, the sentencing is hereby ADJOURNED to October 26, 2021 at
11:00 a.m."

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:33 pm

by roller24

When I watched this scene, POM immediately came to mind.

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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:27 pm

by Polly Snark

*Flash Back* 2000ish.
https://www.als.org/understanding-als

Funny. Not. Really.

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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:34 pm

by Polly Snark

The really funny thing was being in chat on MSN with both PoM and VJ...

Fast typer?

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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:45 pm

by smokebreaks

Polly Snark wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:34 pm
The really funny thing was being in chat on MSN with both PoM and VJ...

Fast typer?

multiple screens, virtual machines, many ways one person can log in even without multiple devices.

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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:03 pm

by Munchy

"...Roger Clark, who is scheduled to be sentenced on October 26, 2021,
received serious injuries this week while incarcerated at the Metropolitan Detention Center.
It is my understanding, based on information the government was provided by staff at the MDC, that Mr. Clark
remains hospitalized for evaluation and treatment of his injuries, which include a (redacted)
I believe that at least until Mr. Clark is returned to the MDC,
I will be unable to confer with him and determine his physical and mental status.
I therefore request that the Court adjourn Mr. Clark's sentencing sine die and permit me to file a status update letter with the Court on or before October 29, 2021..."

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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:28 pm

by AlwaysBlue

from PACER today, interesting...

Oct 27, 2021 Sealed Document

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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:20 pm

by smokebreaks

AlwaysBlue wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:28 pm
from PACER today, interesting...

Oct 27, 2021 Sealed Document

Not too terribly interesting...

The unredacted version of this letter will be filed under seal. SO ORDERED. (Signed by Judge Alison J. Nathan on 10/22/2021) (lnl) (Entered: 10/22/2021)

SEALED DOCUMENT placed in vault. (nmo) (Entered: 10/27/2021)

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:01 am

by AlwaysBlue

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:20 pm

AlwaysBlue wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:28 pm
from PACER today, interesting...

Oct 27, 2021 Sealed Document
Not too terribly interesting...

The unredacted version of this letter will be filed under seal. SO ORDERED. (Signed by Judge Alison J. Nathan on 10/22/2021) (lnl) (Entered: 10/22/2021)

SEALED DOCUMENT placed in vault. (nmo) (Entered: 10/27/2021)

Yes that's right, sorry. What happened to him anyway?

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:38 pm

by AlwaysBlue

As I said in an earlier post, I did a couple months in Brooklyn MDC back in the day. There was always the possibility of violence, but I kept my mouth shut and stayed out of trouble. Sitting in those tight cells day in and day out is a nightmare if you don't have a good cellie. i can't imgaine what being locked down for months cause of Covid must be like

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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:10 am

by Munchy

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .108.0.pdf

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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:15 am

by ben ttech

they throw migration at you in custody

move you around
never given the time to figure the situation
and settle in

the screws are seriously ugly fucks...

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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:31 pm

by WhiteHotAfterburner

Munchy wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:10 am
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .108.0.pdf

Thanks for the update, Munch!

Sounds like a reasonable request, given the circumstances.

Maybe he can stay in the infirmary until he's released for time served!

Probably better food, at least ... probably not!

Thanks again!

,
WHAB

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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:12 pm

by AGD

Mr. Clark was badly
injured during a "fall" in his cell at the MDC.

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:57 pm
I reckon you're right but it certainly doesn't speak well to the care and comfort that's supposed to be afforded toward the guests of the SDNY.

im american corrections
confinement is merely the beginning of the punishment they feel responsible to administer...

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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:40 pm

by Jesús Malverde

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:17 pm
The original owner of varietyjones.com was the guy we’re waiting to get the fuck outta MDC.

He paid for it using the Gypsy Nirvana LTD credit card.

Ask Gypsy for further details.

Do you remember the weird site using that domain with funky art for sale like the howling wolf image? That's what I was thinking of. The varietyjonesthrift.com site looks like it could be the same person's site. When I think about people believing "Variety Jones" being an actual person rather than a silly pseudonym/fake character in a PoM fairy tale, it makes me smile. Still want to go to the restaurant in Dublin, sounds alright.

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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:38 pm

by Munchy

...Clark remains hospitalized for treatment of injuries that he received during an
October 18, 2021 fall from his bunk while at the Metropolitan Detention Center. As
the Court knows, Mr. Clark had extensive surgery on his hip and pelvic region
shortly after his fall. At the end of October 2021, he was transferred to a medical
facility in Brooklyn where he remains.
Mr. Clark has made substantial progress in attempting to regain the use of
his hip and leg. While he still is unable to walk without assistance, he can move
around effectively using a walker. He advises me that he participates in physical
therapy almost daily. Unfortunately, at the end of December 2021, Mr. Clark again
contracted COVID-19 (he had previously had COVID in December of 2020 while
at the MDC). As with his first bout with COVID, Mr. Clark has residual symptoms,
although he appears to have cleared the virus from his system. He tells me that he
continues to experience fatigue, dizziness and difficulty focusing. The most
troubling aftermath of COVID for Mr. Clark is that he has excruciating pain in his
joints. This pain coupled with the pain from his initial injury is sufficiently severe
that he again is taking a significant quantity of opioids that have been prescribed
to him. (Prior to becoming ill with COVID, he had been able to cut back on the
dosage substantially). Given these circumstances, I believe that he should not
proceed to sentencing at this time.
I am attempting to arrange a phone call with Mr. Clark’s treating physician,
which I expect will occur within a few days. I therefore ask that the Court permit
me to file an additional status update letter in two weeks on February 11, 2022. At
that time I hope to be able to advise the Court when Mr. Clark will be mentally and
physically fit to be sentenced...

-LAW OFFICE OF STEPHANIE M. CARVLIN, ESQ. 1/28

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:14 pm

by mr_infinity

Any news about clarck guys ???

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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 1:37 am

by Munchy

the Court has re-scheduled sentencing in this matter for April Fools' Day.

this is the page to watch:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/

Dear Judge Nathan:
I write to provide an update to the Court regarding Roger Clark’s ability to proceed
to sentencing. Today, February 16, 2022, with Mr. Clark’s permission, I spoke with his
treating physician, Dr. Marc Ross. Dr. Ross reported to me that while Mr. Clark remains
on opioids and other neuropathic medications, Dr. Ross believes that Mr. Clark is able,
physically and cognitively, to proceed to sentencing. I described to Dr. Ross what this
would entail: Mr. Clark would need to be able to review documents, possibly to write a
document to submit to the Court and, if he chooses, speak to the Court at his sentence
hearing. Dr. Ross is confident that Mr. Clark can do these things. While Mr. Clark
continues to report extreme pain, which Dr. Ross believes is genuine (not malingering),
neurocognitive testing on Mr. Clark indicates that his cognitive functioning is not impaired
to the degree that it would negatively impact his ability to participate in his sentencing.
Mr. Clark advises me that he remains in extreme pain. According to Dr. Ross, the
treatment plan currently calls for Mr. Clark to have a nerve study that should provide an
objective indication of the extent and cause of this pain. A future nerve block may be
administered.
Given these circumstances, I believe that it would be appropriate for the Court to
set a sentencing date. I request permission to file a supplemental sentencing submission.
My original submission was filed on November 6, 2020. I filed a supplemental submission
almost a year ago on March 8, 2021. Since that time, several things that may affect the
Court’s sentencing decision have occurred: Mr. Clark’s serious injury while in the care of
the Metropolitan Detention Center (“MDC”), his hospitalization and medical treatment and
his second bout with COVID-19. I would like to provide detailed information for the Court’s
consideration, as well as for inclusion in the Pre-sentence Investigation Report (“PSR”).
As the Court knows, the PSR will follow Mr. Clark to the facility where he is designated to
serve his sentence. I believe that it is vital that the facility have information about Mr.
Clark’s medical situation (diagnosis, prescriptions, assistive devices, such as a cane). In
my experience, it is very difficult to get facilities to accept this information if it has not been
included in the PSR. To obtain the information I need from the MDC and Mr. Clark’s
physicians, consult with Mr. Clark and allow him time to write his own description of what
he has experienced over the past several months will take time. I therefore ask that the
Court permit me to file a supplemental sentencing submission by March 23, 2022, with
the government permitted to file a response letter, if any, by March 30, 2020, with
sentencing to follow. (SO ORDERED by the judge)

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:45 pm

by mr_infinity

Any news guys ??

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:14 am

by Munchy

the most current news is in the post above, with the link where to check for updates, try it out

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:43 pm

by AlwaysBlue

PoM is moving to represent himself Pro Se at the April 1 sentencing hearing.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71 ... s-v-clark/

Should be interesting

keep a good grip on your lighters

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:32 pm

by Munchy

yeah, now he's finally about to blow the lid off that mofo!

unless he still needs a scanner cable..

representing yourself on April Fools Day though? good luck with that

but they'll probably reschedule it a few more times...

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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:41 am

by roller24

That should be one interesting day in court.

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 4:02 pm

by roller24

https://dnstats.net/news/silk-road-sentencing-shabang/

Wow that got by me I have never heard that talk about here or anywhere else. I was wondering how POM's sentencing went yesterday

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:11 pm

by smokebreaks

Postponed again, April 13th I think?

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:44 pm

by Munchy

^ the 12th

April 4, 2022
Hon. Sidney H. Stein
United States District Court Judge
United States District Court for the SDNY
Re: United States v. Roger Clark, 15 Cr 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
I write pursuant to the Order of the Hon. Judge Nathan who appointed me pursuant to
the Criminal Justice Act for the purposes of advising Mr. Clark on the wisdom of his request to
proceed pro se in his sentencing hearing and ancillary issues related thereto.
Pursuant to Judge Nathan’s Order, I spoke with Mr. Clark on the telephone last week
and today, I visited with him in person in the hospital in Brooklyn where he is being treated for
significant injuries related to a fall he suffered at the MDC and complications related thereto.
Having spoken to Mr. Clark in person in court, on the phone and today at his bedside in person,
I believe he understands 1) the risks associated with representing himself at sentencing pro se;
2) his right to counsel, and 3) that his request to waive that right is knowing, intelligent and
voluntary and not for the purposes of delay. While I note that Mr. Clark is apparently still pain
and recovering from his injuries and reports lingering symptoms related to his having contracted
COVID while in FBOP custody, he was clear headed, articulate and alert every time I have
spoken with him. He is medicated but nothing about his presentation on the phone or in person
suggested he did not understand the charges, his potential sentence, the sentencing process and
the pitfalls of proceeding pro se.
In addition, while Mr. Clark has minimal formal education, it is my understanding that
until his injury and hospitalization apparently he participated in his own defense including
researching, writing, reviewing discovery and has advocated for himself in the hospital setting.
Mr. Clark recognizes the pit-falls of proceeding pro se and expressed a desire to have standby
counsel assist him in the representation. Specifically, Mr. Clark requested that his attorney Ms.
Stephanie Clark remain as his stand-by counsel given her understanding of the case and their
long term attorney client relationship. However, some of the issues Mr. Clark may wish to raise
at sentencing could create a conflict of interest given that some appear to be more than a simple
disagreement in strategy.
In light of that potential, I have advised Mr. Clark and urge that that before standby
counsel is appointed at the April 12, 2022 hearing, he allocute concerning the potential for any
conflict with his current counsel that may arise at sentencing should he wish to litigate factual
or legal matters that impact Ms. Carvlin’s past or future representation about which he has not
yet made a decision.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Sincerely,
/s/ Susan J. Walsh
cc: Michael Neff, AUSA (by email)
Stephanie Carvlin, Esq. (by email)
Roger Clark, (By First Class Mail)
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 130 Filed 04/05/22

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:10 pm

by AlwaysBlue

Couple things of interest here,

1) Should be a helluva show if and when Mongoose gets his sentencing hearing

2) He seems to have moved up a notch to a better legal team

Wish I lived in NYC

as he posted 6 years, 6 months, 1 week, 2 days, and 8 hours ago...

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:02 pm

by Munchy

... some of the issues Mr. Clark may wish to raise at sentencing
could create a conflict of interest given that some appear to be
more than a simple disagreement in strategy...

could some of the controversial issues he may wish to raise,
be like blowing the lid off the old Diamond thing?

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:34 pm

by smokebreaks

He's got me on the edge of my seat.

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:46 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Roger would never deliver us another disappointing anticlimax. No way.

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:23 am

by rSin

im sure he realizes his hands are tied due to the phase of the issue hes in, but

he wouldnt be doing this unless hes confident in introducing that which makes for the whole trial being well challengeable on appeal...

i hope he gives em hell!

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:52 pm

by smokebreaks

So he's been pushed off to yet a different judge and now a hearing on whether can represent himself pro se is rescheduled to April 28, 2022.

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:50 pm

by AlwaysBlue

Balls of steel

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:17 pm

by roller24

Poor guy must be going through Hell.
I know that when I read, " injuries related to a fall", many scenarios arise, none of them involving an actually tumble to the ground.

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:37 pm

by rSin

if anyone can pull a fast one and escape its pom

we should leave the light on...

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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:14 am

by Munchy

been leaving the light on for over 6 years...
tho it nearly got turned off a couple times.

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:32 am

by nobodyknew

wow - been gone for a while and totally dismayed to see this is still mainly all unresolved. Poor guy...

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:09 am

by Munchy

welcome back! it's just getting interesting again...

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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:20 am

by Munchy

Munchy wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:32 pm
but they'll probably reschedule it a few more times...

Judge Sidney H. Stein wrote:At the request of defendant's attorney, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the conference scheduled for April 28 is adjourned to May 13, 2022, at 9:00 a.m. Ms. Carvlin and Ms. Walsh are both directed to appear at the conference on May 13, 2022

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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 12:08 pm

by Munchy

RE: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark.
15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
I was appointed conflict counsel in the above matter for Roger Thomas Clark, the defendant in
the above captioned matter pursuant to the CJA.
I am currently quarantining due to a positive diagnosis with COVID 19 . I write to respectfully
request that I be excused from the conference set for Friday, May 13, or if the Court deems my
appearance necessary that the matter be adjourned for three weeks. I have conferred with the other
counsel impacted by the request and at present both are also available May 31 and June 2, at the
convenience of the Court.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Respectfully submitted,
Isl Susan J Walsh

SO ORDERED:
The conference is adjourned to May 31 at 2:30 p.m

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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 8:22 pm

by Munchy

I ask that the Court issue an Order that authorizes an investigator to come to the
hospital room where I am being held to videotape me. I need to have private, privileged
conversations with the investigator. I need to be permitted to take my leg irons off or put
them on for the purposes of this video. The reason I ask for this is to document the
conditions of my confinement that make it almost impossible for me to do physical therapy
and dangerous for me move about the room and have access to my legal work. I ask that
the Order also direct that those guarding me return a new pair of underwear that had
previously been approved (the type of which I was allowed to wear for almost six months)
for me to wear during the videotaping. I request that the Order also permit the investigator
to interview on or off camera any willing members of hospital staff.
The Order should also authorize the video to show me in my entirety (meaning my
face as well as my body). I expect that this video will be sealed and made available only
to the parties, my consular representative, and the Court, given that it documents my
medical condition.
Counsel is writing this letter. I am unable to write this letter myself and am unable
to work on my sentencing because I still don’t have a pen.
Thank you.
Roger Clark

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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 9:56 pm

by rSin

leg irons
when i had them for a month in the hospital it was just a chain they bolted around one ancle
straight chain and padlock

a guard would escort you whatever proceedure you i had to go to and the chain was almost 20 feet and every nearby door frame had a serious eye bolt and the guard would padlock the other end of the chain then go get coffee

alot of the medical technicians would comment on how bullshit it was

like i could go anywhere even if i tried

my ordeeal was over in 6 months
bad as it was

even i cant imagine what his been and continues to go through

remember the guy bed next to me had hidden a pen and was so proud of himself and had to share

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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:46 am

by Munchy

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
-v-
ROGER THOMAS CLARK,
Defendant.
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SIDNEY H. STEIN, U.S . District Judge.
15-Cr-866 (SHS)
ORDER
A status conference having been held today, with defendant present, and counsel for
defendant and the government present,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that:
I. For the reasons set forth on the record, the Court grants defendant's request to
represent himself pro se;
2. The CJA attorneys appointed to represent defendant in this matter, Stephanie M.
Carvlin, Susan J. Walsh, and Jacob Mitchell, are relieved; and
3. The Court appoints the CJA attorney on duty today, Louis Fasulo, as standby
counsel for defendant.
Dated: New York, New York
May 31 , 2022
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 140 Filed 05/31/22 Page 1 of 1

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:27 pm

by roller24

I wonder what POM PRO SE has up his sleeve. He either was saddled with such poor representation he feared they would do more damage than good, or he's cooked up something to Hail Mary as a last ditch effort of a life non incarcerated....perhaps life in a state hospital... where he can devise his escape.

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:41 pm

by Munchy

yeh, maybe he'll do what he said he was gonna do...

about 6 years, 8 months, and 3 days ago

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:35 pm

by roller24

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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:45 pm

by smokebreaks

My guess he asks for a deportation to Canada since he's already done what 7 years between Bangkok and MDC?

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:33 pm

by Munchy

that would seem likely.
there's a 5/31 conference transcript posted 6/17, says it may be viewed at the court public terminal?

The parties have seven (7) calendar days to file with the court a Notice of Intent to Request Redaction of this transcript. If no such Notice is filed, the transcript may be made remotely electronically available to the public without redaction after 90 calendar days....

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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:54 am

by Munchy

Roger Clark
C/o Law Office Of Evan L. Lipton
250 West 55th Street, Floor 30
New York, New York 10019
ELL@EvanLiptonLaw.com
July 11, 2022
By ECF
Hon. Sidney H. Stein
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
United States Courthouse
500 Pearl St.
New York, NY 10007-1312.
Re: United States v. Roger Clark, 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
I am writing to you today to raise several issues pertaining to my sentencing in
this matter, presently scheduled for September 27, 2022. I write from a nursing home
in the greater New York area, where I am confined following a fall at the MDC on
October 18, 2021; after which I was denied medical attention for more than 20 hours,
while lying immobile and supine on the cell floor, in full view of officers. This act of
cruelty unquestionably exacerbated and complicated the serious medical issues from
which I now suffer. My present conditions of confinement make preparation for
sentencing impossible. I am asking to have my legal materials returned to me, including
a laptop that I had at the MDC, and to set a schedule for further submissions to the
Court.
I write with the assistance of my standby counsel, Evan Lipton, who is typing
this letter. This is the only way that I can communicate with the Court. I continue to be
arbitrarily denied a pen, a computer, a pen, a pad, and literally any other item. I am not
permitted to have any of my legal papers. I am handcuffed and leg shackled to a bed in
a small hospital room.
Except for during legal visits, there are two guards seated about 3 or 4 feet
from the foot of my bed. Even during these visits, the guards refuse to provide the
privacy that has been promised by the Marshals’ Service, and ordered by Judge
Nathan, and is, of course, required under the 5th and 6th Amendments of the United
States Constitution. For example, a white noise machine which the Marshals’ Service
agreed would be used during counsel’s visits was taken by a guard, who said that they
were acting on orders from “the boss.” (They had previously complained to me that
the machine would prevent them from being able to hear my privileged conversations;
in fact they told me they were required to monitor these conversations to report
anything “interesting” to the Marshals Service.) See ECF No. 111 (an order requiring the
United States Marshal Service to allow privileged communications with legal counsel;
this Order has never been complied with.)
Despite the close surveillance, and the chains linking me to the bed, I am being
treated as if I were an extreme security threat. In fact, these security procedures have
become more severe following my ongoing complaints and requests to be given my
most basic rights. This became clear on May 31, when I returned from Court and
found my legal papers spread about my hospital room/cell. Of note was a dark blue
binder that contained almost all of my handwritten notes and legal research, which
was empty, the complete contents - several hundred handwritten pages - having been
removed. My leg chains were adjusted so that I could not stand on the floor, and I was
handcuffed to the bed (I previously was connected to the bed by a five-foot chain
which allowed me to move about the room, and my hands were free.) When I
complained to a supervisor and manager about the theft of my documents, and
inability to access those that remained, I was told that this Court had given them
“carte blanche” to violate any and all of my rights as they desired, because this Court
had said my only remedy had been to sue when this is over. I am certain this is not
what the Court meant.
Things got worse when I was moved to a different facility on or about June 14.
My remaining privileged, legal and medical documents were brought along with me
and delivered with me to my room. Within an hour, agents of the US Marshals’ Service
dumped the documents on the floor, looked through them, and then took them all
away in five or six black garbage bags - about 15-20 thousand pages of documents,
including my few remaining handwritten notes, all my writing paper, and pens, leaving
me with absolutely nothing. Being chained to the bed and having my documents taken
away is clear retaliation for my exercise of my basic legal rights. Agents told me this.
They also told that these measures, decreed by their supervisors, are not being
imposed on others who are being similarly held. Several of the agents have expressed
their willingness to testify to these facts. I intend to provide the Court with additional
examples once I have the ability to draft my own documents.
They have taken away my pen, and my pads to write on. I am denied access to
any of my legal papers. I cannot read a book. I am not permitted to call my standby
counsel, civil counsel, or Canadian consular officials. I cannot send or receive legal
mail or consular mail, both of which are defined as “special mail” by BOP regulations. I
am literally within arms’ reach of two armed guards, yet I am denied access to
innocuous objects that I need for my defense. At the MDC where inmates have more
liberty than I do to move about, they have access to all of these things and more, 24
hours a day. This doesn’t make any sense.
If representing myself means anything, I must be given an opportunity to
research and draft arguments to the Court, and to otherwise prepare for sentencing;
and I must be given a meaningful amount of time to do it, free from arbitrary limits.
Since my Court appearance on May 31, when I was granted pro se status, this letter is
the only legal work I have been able to complete.
Last week, when Mr. Lipton visited me for the second time since he was
appointed, he was kicked out of the room an hour after he arrived, for no reason. I was
then told that I can only have legal visits for one hour per week. This may have been
remedied - Mr. Lipton was permitted to stay for two hours today, but I am not
convinced this will remain the case. I cannot make use of my legal advisor if I don’t
have sufficient access to him. But even more importantly, I should not have to rely on
him in order to put a pen to paper (or to review my legal files); that’s not his role. I am
aware that I could lose the right to represent myself if I do not comply with Court rules
and deadlines. How can I comply with deadlines when I don’t even have a pen? It is
absurd and wrong.
Accordingly, I am asking Mr. Lipton to make several requests on my behalf. All
of these things are necessary to enable me to communicate information necessary for
you to determine a fair and just sentence.
(1) I need my previously government supplied laptop computer, with the LexisNexis
law library installed, and the four hard drives containing my discovery materials. I
suggest that the laptop I had at the MDC can simply be transferred to this facility
by being delivered to the United States Marshals Service. According to LexisNexis,
it would be “trivial” for the MDC to install the law library on my laptop. This library
is available to MDC inmates 15 hours a day, 7 days a week on all inmate units. I am
informed that the MDC can use the same license to put this on my laptop. This
laptop has been modified by the FBI crime lab to make it impossible for it to access
the internet or any network (the networking chips and bluetooth chip have been
removed, according to the assigned AUSA). The laptop computer should be stored
in my room. There should not be any restrictions on the hours during which I may
use it; to reiterate, I am under the watch of two guards 24 hours a day; any hour is
like any other hour, so there should be no arbitrary limits on access to my computer
and legal materials.
(2) Once I receive the legal materials noted in (1) above, I request two weeks to submit
a detailed proposed schedule for further submissions relevant to sentencing. This
will be my first opportunity to use my pro se status. Among other issues I will
address are objections to the previously filed Pre-sentence Report. (I do not adopt
the objections made by prior counsel, which are incomplete. I further request an
updated Presentence Report and reserve my right to make written objections to the
updated report sufficiently prior to the sentence date.)
(3) I request that the officer who wrote the initial PSR meet with me at the nursing
home so that she may observe my physical deterioration for inclusion in the
updated report. I also request documentation of any medical assistive devices
(such as a walker or items required for my physical rehabilitation) — I have been
informed by BOP employees that I will not be permitted to bring these items to a
BOP facility absent inclusion in the PSR.
If the Court has any questions for me, please forward to Mr. Lipton so that I
may answer them in my submission.
Respectfully yours,
/s/ELL
Roger Clark

SIDNEY H . STEIN, U.S. District Judge.
15-Cr-866 (SHS)
ORDER
The Court has received defendant 's letter dated July 11, 2022. (ECF No . 147.) The
government is directed to notify the Court on or before July 19 whether there is a reason
why Clark' s requests for a pen, notepad, his previously supplied laptop computer, and his
legal papers should not be granted. In addition, the government is directed to investigate
the validity of Clark's factual allegations, including the allegations that the Marshals
confiscated his legal and medical documents (and apparently have not returned them), that
the Marshals removed his white noise machine, and that he is unable to receive legal or
consular mail. The government is directed to report the findings of its investigation to the
Court by July 26 .
The Court established a schedule for submissions and a sentencing date at the most
recent conference in this matter on May 31. That schedule remains in place. Clark's
supplemental sentencing submission is due by August 26 , 2022; the government's response
is due by September 9, 2022; and sentencing will take place on September 22, 2022, at 2:30
p .m. in Courtroom 23A.
Mr. Lipton is directed to forward a copy of this order to defendant and to provide the
Court with Clark's current mailing address.
Dated : New York, New York
July 12, 2022
SO ORDERED:

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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:14 pm

by roller24

Thanks Munchy

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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:51 pm

by Munchy

July 19, 2022
BY ECF
The Honorable Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Southern District of New York
Daniel Patrick Moynihan U.S. Courthouse
500 Pearl Street
New York, NY 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark,
S2 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
The Government respectfully submits this letter in response to the Court’s Order dated July
19, 2022. (Dkt. 148).
By way of context, in January 2020, defendant Roger Thomas Clark pleaded guilty to
conspiracy to distribute massive quantities of narcotics, a charge arising out of his role as the senior
adviser to the owner and operator of the “Silk Road” online illicit black market. Under the terms
of his plea agreement, Clark admitted to, among other things, (1) his leadership role in Silk Road;
(2) his urging and facilitating an attempted murder-for-hire in order to protect Silk Road; and
(3) his obstruction of justice by lying under oath during his extradition proceedings in connection
with this case. (Dkts. 47, 56). Clark is currently pending sentence, and the parties’ primary
sentencing letters have been filed. (Dkts. 63, 64, 74, 75). The parties’ supplemental sentencing
letters are due in advance of the September 2022 sentencing date.
On July 12, 2022, the Court issued an Order directing the Government to inform the Court,
by July 19, 2022, whether “there is a reason why Clark’s requests for a pen, notepad, his previously
supplied laptop computer, and his legal materials should not be granted.” (Dkt. 148). The
Government has conferred with a United States Marshals Service (“USMS”) supervisor, a
representative of the BOP-Legal Department, and a supervisor with United Security, Inc. (“USI”),
which contracts with USMS to provide security at hospitals for in-custody defendants who are
receiving short- or long-term medical care.
The Government, USMS, BOP, and USI have no objection to Clark’s requests for a pen,
notepad, his previously supplied laptop computer, and his legal materials. There is a qualification
as to the pen, however. As the Court may be aware, for safety reasons, inmates typically are
granted access to a floppy pen (as distinct from a standard or regular pen). The safety concern is
that a standard pen can be used to cause harm to others or self-harm. Nonetheless, as an
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accommodation to Clark, USMS has approved Clark’s having access to a standard pen whenever
he requests it, so long as he is in fact using the pen for its intended purpose. To get access to the
standard pen, Clark simply needs to ask the USI security guard for it. (The Government
understands from USI that the standard pen resides in Clark’s room, but is outside of his reach.)
Finally, as the Court is aware, the Court’s July 12 Order also directed the Government to
investigate the validity of Clark’s factual allegations. Our investigation is ongoing, and we will
report to the Court by the July 26 deadline.
Please let us know if any further information would be useful at this time.
Respectfully submitted,
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
By: _____________________________
Michael D. Neff
Assistant United States Attorney
(212) 637-2107
cc: Evan Lipton, Esq. (via ECF)
United States Marshals Service (via email)
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:03 pm

by Munchy

a massive dump, right on POM's head...

July 29, 2022
BY ECF
The Honorable Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Southern District of New York
Daniel Patrick Moynihan U.S. Courthouse
500 Pearl Street
New York, NY 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark, S2 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
The Government respectfully submits this letter in further response to the Court’s Order
dated July 12, 2022. (Dkt. 148). That Order directed the Government to investigate defendant
Roger Clark’s (“Clark” or the “defendant”) allegations about the conditions of his confinement.
I. Background
Clark’s Case: Clark was arrested in late 2015 in Thailand, contested extradition, and was
ultimately extradited to the United States in June 2018. (Dkt. 13, p. 2). In January 2020, Clark
pleaded guilty to conspiring to distribute massive quantities of narcotics—a charge arising out of
his role as the senior adviser to the owner and operator of the “Silk Road” online illicit black
market. In his plea agreement, Clark admitted to, among other things, (1) his leadership role in
Silk Road; (2) his urging and facilitating an attempted murder-for-hire in order to protect Silk
Road; and (3) his obstruction of justice by lying, under oath, during his extradition proceedings in
Thailand in connection with this case. (Dkts. 47, 56). As set forth in the PSR and in the
Government’s sentencing letters, Clark also threatened to hurt his co-conspirator’s wife if she
reported Clark’s involvement in Silk Road to the police. (See, e.g., Dkt. 56 (PSR), ¶ 73; Dkt. 64
(Govt. Sent.), p. 16).
Clark is currently pending sentence, and the parties’ primary sentencing letters have been
filed. (Dkts. 63, 64, 74, 75). Sentencing is scheduled for September 22, 2022. (Dkts. 145, 148).
Clark’s 2021 Injury: From approximately June 2018 until October 2021, Clark was
detained at the Metropolitan Detention Center (“MDC”), where he was in the custody of the
Bureau of Prisons (“BOP”). Then, in October 2021, Clark fell at the MDC, sustained serious
injuries, underwent surgery, and was transferred to a hospital/rehabilitation facility (the “Medical
Center”). At the Medical Center, Clark was in the principal day-to-day custody of the United
States Marshals Service (“USMS”), and he was guarded by employees of United Security, Inc.
(“USI”). USI contracts with both USMS and BOP to provide security at medical facilities for in-
custody defendants who are receiving short- or long-term medical care.
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While recovering from his injuries, Clark was housed at the Medical Center from
approximately late October 2021 until June 13, 2022, and then at a nursing home (the “Nursing
Home”) from approximately June 13, 2022 until July 27, 2022. On or about July 27, 2022, Clark
was medically cleared to return, and did return, to the MDC.
USMS Approved Various Accommodations for Clark: From approximately October 2021
until May 2022, the Government worked very closely with defense counsel and the USMS to
accommodate a number of Clark’s requests. Specifically, the Government worked closely with a
USMS supervisor and with Clark’s then-counsel, Stephanie Carvlin, Esq., to provide various
accommodations for Clark, including those outlined below. A number of these accommodations
go well beyond what other inmates generally receive. Moreover, during this period, Clark and
Ms. Carvlin typically had scheduled biweekly phone calls; Ms. Carvlin (or her colleague) could
also visit Clark in person as often as they wished (with advance notice to the USMS), and did visit
him on a number of occasions. This frequency of communication enabled the parties to address
Clark’s evolving list of requests as well as occasional alleged misunderstandings.
Ultimately, USMS approved the following core package of accommodations for Clark—
and USMS specifically directed USI as follows:
1. Confidential Phone Calls with Defense Counsel: Roger Clark is
permitted, on a daily basis, to make phone calls to his attorney. These
phone calls shall be confidential, as explained below.
2. Confidential Phone Calls with the Canadian Consulate: Roger Clark
is permitted, on a daily basis, to place phone calls to his consular
representative at the Canadian Consulate. These phone calls shall be
confidential, as explained below.
3. Social/Personal Phone Calls: Roger Clark is permitted three
social/personal calls per week, for 30 minutes each. These calls are
permitted to individuals who have been pre-approved by USMS. These
phone calls are not deemed confidential.
a. The following individuals have been approved by USMS to
date:
i. [redacted for privacy reasons]
4. Pens: Roger Clark will be given access to standard pens—each day,
between 10:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m.—for the purpose of conducting legal
research and writing. These pens will be provided by defense counsel
and shall first be cleared by the USMS. Clark shall have access to one
pen at a time. When Clark is not using a standard pen to conduct legal
research or writing, it will be returned to the USI employees who are
guarding him.
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5. Leg Irons: In the event that the use of leg irons is deemed necessary for
any period, the leg irons will be removed to permit Roger Clark to do
physical, occupational, and other therapy dictated by his medical team.
6. Attorney of Record: In-person visits are scheduled through the USMS.
7. Family Visits (in-person):
o A background check must be conducted on each visitor.
o One visit per week for one hour between the hours of 9am-
9pm.
o Visit must be scheduled through the USMS.
o No physical contact is permitted.
o No electronic devices are allowed in the room.
Procedures to be followed for Confidential Phone Calls
Clark’s phone calls with his attorney and with the Canadian Consulate shall all
be confidential. During such calls, USI employees who are guarding Clark
shall:
1. Exit Clark’s room for the duration of the call;
2. Maintain visual contact with Clark by positioning themselves outside of
Clark’s room, with the door ajar, and at a location that is sufficiently far
away to ensure Clark’s privacy; and
3. Place Clark’s white-noise machine in his room, and turn that machine
on, for the duration of such calls.
A supervisor with USI informed the Government that this package of accommodations
goes well beyond what he has seen other inmates receive—and has resulted in other inmates
complaining to USI that they do not receive the same suite of accommodations. Nor does the list
above constitute the entirety of what was approved for Clark; USMS also approved various
additional requests, such as reading glasses, permission to photograph Clark’s injuries, and
meetings with a civil attorney. Clark’s package of accommodations is memorialized in USI’s log
book, which generally resided in or near Clark’s hospital room with USI guards.1
Clark Proceeds Pro Se: On May 31, 2022, the Court approved Clark’s request to proceed
pro se and relieved Ms. Carvlin. Evan Lipton, Esq. was appointed as stand-by counsel.
With one modest exception noted below, Mr. Lipton did not contact the Government, at
any point, to convey any questions, issues, or requests for accommodations from Clark. Rather,
on July 11, 2022, Mr. Lipton filed a letter on Clark’s behalf, in which Clark makes various
allegations regarding the conditions of his confinement. (Dkt. 147). On July 12, 2022, the Court
directed the Government to investigate the validity of Clark’s allegations, and to update the Court
on its findings. (Dkt. 148).
1 During the time that he was guarded by USI (i.e., October 2021 until July 2022), Clark was
generally accompanied by two guards at a time, who typically worked eight-hour shifts. Thus, in
total, it is believed that more than 100 USI employees were involved in guarding Clark.
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II. Investigation and Response
In light of the Court’s Order, the Government has interviewed approximately fifteen
individuals, who are employees of five entities—USMS, USI, BOP, and both medical facilities
where Clark was housed during the past nine months (i.e., the Medical Center and the Nursing
Home). The Government has also reviewed documentary evidence. Based on that investigation,
the Government’s findings to date are set forth below.
1. Clark Has Received More Accommodations Than Inmates Typically Do
In his letter, Clark appears to allege that he is treated worse than other inmates. As set
forth above, Clark in fact received more accommodations than the typical inmate. A USI
supervisor stated that, in his more than eleven years with USI, he has never seen an inmate receive
as many accommodations as Clark has. Indeed, Clark’s package of accommodations has led other
inmates to complain to USI that they are not receiving the same treatment as Clark. To the extent
Clark is treated any differently than a typical inmate, it is because of the advocacy of his then-
counsel Stephanie Carvlin, the sustained efforts of the Government, and the willingness of the
USMS to accommodate Clark’s many requests. For example, an employee of the Nursing Home
said it was “shocking” to the Nursing Home staff to see a laptop computer in Clark’s room, which
was the result of one of the accommodations made by the USMS.
2. Clark Has Verbally Abused USI Guards and Medical Staff, Has Become Physical
With USI Guards, Has Disobeyed Directives, and May Have Attempted to Escape
Multiple witnesses have indicated that Clark has been a difficult inmate. First, Clark is
verbally abusive. Clark (1) cursed at USI employees; (2) used racial epithets repeatedly, such as
calling black USI employees the N-word and referring to a Hispanic employee as a “spic”; (3) has
referred to female employees as “bitch”; and (4) verbally threatened USI employees, such as
threatening to get them fired if they did not do what Clark said. Clark also threatened USI
employees in another respect—he highlighted his computer skills and the fact that it would be easy
for him to use the Internet to find out who they are and where they live, and to uncover information
about their children and their bank accounts. Clark’s abusiveness is not limited to his treatment of
USI employees; Clark has also mistreated medical staff. Representatives of the Medical Center
and the Nursing Home have stated that, at times, Clark was cooperative, but at other times, Clark
was verbally abusive and rude to medical staff, including his use of the N-word at the Nursing
Home.
Second, in one instance in April 2022, Clark threatened to punch a particular USI guard in
the face. Specifically, right after he fell, Clark was adamant that shackles not be re-applied. As
guards were in the process of tending to Clark and shackling his non-injured leg, Clark closed his
fist, cocked his arm, and said he would punch the guard in the face if the guard tried to use shackles.
Clark later apologized for his actions.
Third, in another recent instance, on or about July 23, 2022, Clark demanded that the
window in his room—which has no security feature to thwart an escape—be opened. His request
was denied. Several hours later, Clark requested to use the bathroom between 3:00 and 4:00 a.m.
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After leaving the bathroom, Clark rushed to the window and tried to open it with both hands. The
USI guard reacted quickly and stopped Clark before Clark could open the window. Clark made
physical contact with the guard and pushed the guard’s hands away. The USI guard directed Clark
to return to his bed and informed him that, if he did not do so, the guard would use the necessary
force to subdue him; Clark then complied and called the guard a “dick.” This was not the first
time that this guard has ordered Clark not to advance to the window.
Fourth, Clark disobeyed USI directives in other respects. For instance, USI told Clark that,
when he was done using his standard pen, he should put the pen on the desk, so that USI could
take possession of it again. On certain occasions, however, Clark said he would not return the pen;
on several others, he threw the pen on the floor; and on one occasion, he hid the pen under his
mattress, which required several USI employees to search for the pen. I.e., Clark abused an
unusual accommodation he had been afforded. (For safety reasons, inmates typically are granted
access only to a flexible, floppy pen—not a standard pen.)
Finally, a representative of one medical facility (which housed Clark) noted, in part, that
in their view, Clark was very smart, manipulative, and entitled. This representative noted that
Clark was afforded the opportunity to do physical and occupational therapy five days per week,
but refused therapy “quite often.” This representative added that, at a certain point, Clark claimed
he could not walk, yet staff observed him walking without an assistive device.
3. Specific Allegations Made by Clark in His Pro Se Letter
Shackles/Handcuffs: Clark alleges that, immediately after the May 31, 2022 court
conference, the “security procedures” employed by USMS became “more severe,” resulting in his
being handcuffed to the bed, whereas previously his hands had been free. (Dkt. 147, p. 2). Clark
appears to claim that this change was in retaliation for his complaints. Id. The Government’s
investigation has revealed that, far from being retaliatory, the change in Clark’s restraints was
prompted by his own counsel’s request.
By way of context, the Medical Center is not a BOP hospital, nor a secure correctional
facility. In such an environment, USMS policy typically requires that inmates be restrained at two
points (e.g., both legs, one leg and one hand, etc.).
In the leadup to the May 31, 2022 court conference, Clark’s legs were both restrained and
his hands were free, consistent with USMS policy. On or about May 26, 2022, Clark’s then-
counsel emailed the Government to request the removal of his leg irons. After some discussion
between the parties, Clark’s then-counsel requested the removal of his leg iron from his injured
leg specifically. Moments before the court conference before Your Honor, Clark’s then-counsel
informed the Government that Clark’s right leg was his injured leg, and the Government promptly
informed USMS accordingly via email: “Clark’s right leg is the injured one. Thank you again for
directing USI not to use a restraint on that particular leg.” USMS directed USI accordingly, and
USI promptly changed the restraints to one leg and one arm, in keeping with USMS policy
regarding restraint at two points. Specifically, one of Clark’s arms was handcuffed to the bed rail,
but the handcuff was removed for eating, showering, legal research/writing, and therapy. USI also
took steps to ensure Clark’s comfort, even as he was restrained. For instance, USI asked Clark
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which arm he would prefer to be handcuffed. Furthermore, when USI applied the handcuff, they
put four fingers (of their own) through the cuff to ensure that Clark had room, and they also
employed a safety lock to ensure that the cuff did not tighten. In sum, what Clark describes as
retaliatory was, instead, the product of the Government’s, USMS’s, and USI’s efforts to respond
to defense counsel’s requests in a way consistent with the USMS policy regarding restraint.
Clark next claims that, when he returned from Court on May 31, 2022, some of his legal
papers were “spread about” his hospital room, while others were “removed”; he also asserts that
he was told that the Court had given guards “‘carte blanche’ to violate any and all of [Clark’s]
rights as they desired.” (Dkt. 147, p. 2). There is zero evidence, whatsoever, to support these
allegations. Rather, as is routine, this inmate’s room was searched by USI while he was at court—
e.g., to ensure that he did not have any sharp objects, including small medical apparatus, such as a
used needle. While Clark was at court, USI guards were also directed to remove Clark’s extra side
table—which belonged to the Medical Center, not to Clark—as it was needed for another patient
at the Medical Center.2 Prior to removing Clark’s extra side table, USI ensured that all of Clark’s
possessions from this table were located; USI left these possessions in Clark’s room in an
organized fashion.
Access to Counsel: Clark alleges that one visit with Mr. Lipton was limited to one hour.
In his letter, Clark acknowledges that, “This may have been remedied,” as their subsequent
meeting was two hours long. Id. at 3. Nonetheless, Clark expresses the concern—without any
explanation or basis—that these lengthier visits may not continue in the future. Clark then
concludes, “I cannot make use of my legal advisor if I don’t have sufficient access to him.” Id.
To reiterate what is stated above, the parties’ collective efforts ensured that, while Clark
was in USMS custody, he was authorized to (1) speak by phone with Mr. Lipton every day; and
(2) meet in person with Mr. Lipton as frequently as they wished. (In-person visits simply required
notifying USMS approximately one business day before a visit.) USI informed the Government
that the “standard” meeting length is one hour; that temporal limit appears to have been imposed
for Mr. Lipton’s first in-person visit with Clark. Subsequently, Mr. Lipton informed the
Government that he would like multi-hour visits; and at the Government’s request, USMS
promptly directed USI accordingly and remedied any complaint on this score.3
2 Clark’s room at the Medical Center was a “double room”—i.e., it was meant for two patients—
but Clark was the only patient in that room.
3 Clark also complains about the confidentiality of his communications with counsel—and in so
doing, Clark misconstrues the record. Specifically, Clark accuses USI guards of (purportedly)
violating an Order of Judge Nathan’s relating to the confidentiality of communications—but Clark
cites an Order (Dkt. 111) that merely directed the Government to file a letter, which the
Government did. (See Dkt. 111 (Memo Endorsement: “The Government is hereby ORDERED to
confer with the Marshals Service and file a response to this letter on or before November 19,
2021.”); see also Dkt. 112 (Govt. Letter dated Nov. 19, 2021). Contrary to Clark’s assertion, Judge
Nathan did not order USMS to do anything in this case; she did not need to. Clark’s zealous
counsel, the Government, and USMS collaborated to accommodate various requests of the
defendant, including extensive arrangements relating to privacy, as noted above.
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Sending and Receiving Mail: Clark alleges that he is not allowed to send or receive legal
or consular mail. This is an unusual allegation for several reasons. First, and most elementally,
Clark did receive legal mail. For instance, on February 25, 2022, Clark’s then-counsel, Stephanie
Carvlin, Esq., emailed the Government, in substance and part, as follows (emphasis added):
I need to get legal materials to Mr. Clark that he wants to review for
sentencing (sentencing memoranda that have been filed so far, cases, chat
logs, etc.). He tells me it can be mailed, and he provided a mailing
address at the hospital (hospital address and his room). This is a box full
of papers (printed and will be mailed by [a paralegal]). I want to be sure
the material gets through without problems since time is getting short. Can
you give the USMS a heads up?
The same day, the Government contacted a USMS supervisor, who in turn advised USI that this
legal material was authorized. In an email yesterday, Clark’s former counsel confirmed that, at
her instruction, her paralegal “did mail items to Mr. Clark.” Indeed, during Clark’s time at the
Medical Center, Clark received a significant volume of materials from his then-counsel, totaling
thousands of pages. And more broadly, from fall 2021 to May 2022, Clark’s then-counsel worked
closely with the Government and USMS to get various items to Clark (e.g., legal materials, a white
noise machine, reading glasses, pens, notepads, redwelds, etc.).4
Second, Clark’s July 2022 letter is believed to be the first time that Clark, or his counsel,
have raised this mail-related complaint with the Government—notwithstanding the fact that, as
noted, Clark had frequent access to both his counsel and his consular representatives. And both
entities—counsel and consular officials—have visited Clark in person and spoken with him by
phone. Had Clark raised this topic at any point with the Government, the parties could have
worked together and with the USMS to promptly accommodate any request of Clark’s, while also
ensuring any appropriate security measures, such as USMS screening (where warranted) to prevent
the transport of contraband.
Alleged Issues Stemming from Clark’s Recent Transfer to a Nursing Home: In mid-June
2022, Clark was transferred from the Medical Center to the Nursing Home. Several of Clark’s
allegations relate to, or stem from, this transfer.
By way of context, from approximately late October 2021 until mid-June 2022, Clark was
housed at the Medical Center. During that time, Clark accumulated a host of items in his room at
the Medical Center, including an estimated 20 books; various large 3-ring metal binders, which
reportedly contained legal materials; a pen; notepads; a white noise machine; a three-hole puncher;
clothing; and food. Various entities were involved in providing, procuring, approving,
coordinating, and/or supervising these items—including then-defense counsel, the Government,
4 Nor was Clark shy about using the mail when he wished to get additional items. For instance,
the medical facilities (where Clark was housed) received packages from Amazon.com addressed
to Clark—which were unauthorized—including packages containing hangers; coffee, creamer,
and Equal sweetener; and a power strip with an extension cord, which constituted a fire hazard.
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USMS, USI, and the Medical Center. One notable exception was the BOP. As noted above, Clark
was principally in USMS custody following his injury in October 2021, so the BOP was not
involved in (1) the day-to-day guarding of Clark at the Medical Center, or (2) the process of
determining which items Clark was authorized to possess. Accordingly, we do not believe that
the BOP was advised of the ever-growing list of USMS-approved accommodations for Clark.5
Nonetheless, the BOP handled the transport of Clark from the Medical Center to the
Nursing Home.6 This transport occurred late in the day on June 13, 2022. When BOP employees
arrived at the Medical Center to pick up Clark, they were extremely surprised to see various items
in his room at the Medical Center; such items are not approved in a BOP setting. Ultimately, after
some back and forth, BOP placed Clark’s belongings in bags, transported Clark and his belongings
to the Nursing Home, and brought his belongings into his room at the Nursing Home. Clark’s
room at the Nursing Home was a single room, unlike the “double” room he had had at the Medical
Center. As a result, Clark’s volume of possessions created a fire hazard and tripping hazard when
they were all placed in his room at the Nursing Home; his possessions also included items that are
not approved in a BOP setting. Accordingly, the BOP employees who transported Clark to the
Nursing Home had concerns and consulted a BOP colleague (“BOP Employee-1”) who happened
to be at the Nursing Home that day guarding a different inmate. Ultimately, given BOP’s policies
and concerns, a determination was made to leave some of Clark’s items in his room, but to remove
other items and store them in the Nursing Home’s basement, pending the receipt of more
information from USMS as to whether these items were in fact authorized.
The next morning, BOP Employee-1 emailed USMS to ascertain whether USMS had
approved all of Clark’s possessions. Specifically, BOP Employee-1 wrote, in part, that an inmate:
has accumulated a lot of civilian clothing, books , electric clippers for
shaving and other items that poses a risk to security. However, the inmate
informed Bop staff members, while being transported to the nursing center
that the items was approved by your office and mailed to the hospital by
his attorney. Our office is seeking conformation as to the validly of the
inmate statement as we want to make the necessary preparation to inventory
the property and have the inmate mail it home. Thank you for your time
and consideration in the matter of great security concern.
Unfortunately, BOP Employee-1’s email contained the wrong Marshals Number for Clark (and
thus the wrong inmate name)—the Marshals Number was off by one digit. In response, USMS
provided information about the named inmate (not Clark). As a result, the BOP was not aware
5 At the parties’ request, the BOP was involved on one occasion in one extremely limited respect:
In May 2022, the BOP procured additional clothing for Clark, which was transported to the
Medical Center (e.g., a jumpsuit, socks, underwear, a t-shirt, and bus shoes). In addition, following
the submission of Clark’s recent letter, the BOP was also involved in retrieving Clark’s laptop
computer.
6 Clark was cleared to be transferred after the Medical Center’s medical staff conferred with the
BOP’s medical staff.
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that USMS had, in fact, authorized Clark’s belongings. Later that week, another BOP employee
pointed out that the email contained “the wrong inmates number” and provided BOP Employee-1
with “the correct name and [Marshals] number,” but this information appears not to have been
followed up on. Subsequently, USI told a USMS supervisor that BOP had separated Clark from
some of his belongings; this USMS supervisor appears not to have followed up, as he viewed it as
BOP’s responsibility. Thus, it appears that certain items—which were approved by USMS while
Clark was housed at the Medical Center—became separated from Clark at the Nursing Home due
to a convergence of circumstances, including: (1) Clark’s transfer from the Medical Center to the
Nursing Home; (2) the unusual volume and nature of the items Clark accumulated at the Medical
Center; (3) the considerably smaller size of Clark’s room at the Nursing Home; (4) the involvement
of another law enforcement agency (the BOP), which had different procedures than the USMS;
and (5) an unfortunate typographical or clerical error regarding Clark’s Marshals Number.
The Government was not advised of any of the issues related to the removal of the items
from Clark’s room until Clark filed his letter on ECF four weeks later on July 11, 2022. (See Dkt.
147). In his letter, Clark appears to allege that, following his transfer to the Nursing Home, he did
not have access to a standard pen (as opposed to a floppy jail pen), paper, his legal materials, or
his white noise machine. In his letter, Clark also requested his previously supplied laptop computer
(containing discovery), which is believed to be the first time such a request was made to the
Government relating to his laptop since he left the MDC in October 2021.
Since receiving Clark’s letter, the Government has worked with USMS, USI, BOP, and the
Nursing Home to remedy any unintended issues occasioned by his transport to the Nursing Home.
In light of these efforts, Clark obtained access at the Nursing Home, 24 hours per day, to: notepads,
a standard pen (subject to the qualifications set forth in our prior letter (see Dkt. 150)), his
previously supplied laptop computer, and those legal materials that have been located to date. As
to the final point, thus far, USI and the Nursing Home have unfortunately been unable to locate
the bags with Clark’s possessions that were stored in the basement of the Nursing Home; these
bags are believed to contain certain materials that Clark has described as legal materials, as well
as his white noise machine. USI’s efforts to locate these materials have been extensive. The task
of locating these materials may have been somewhat complicated by the facts that: (1) when non-
defendant patients at the Nursing Home store possessions in the basement, they typically store
luggage, such as a suitcase or duffel bag; (2) when Clark’s items were moved to the basement, by
contrast, they were stored in large black trash bags—and thus did not look like typical patient
property; (3) there was a leak in the basement of the Nursing Home at some point after Clark
arrived, which required cleanup; (4) construction is ongoing in the Nursing Home, which has led
to the presence of several contractors, and associated trash, in the basement, where Clark’s items
were being stored; and (5) Ms. Carvlin’s departure from the case has dramatically changed the
flow of communication between the parties—and thus the Government’s ability to learn about,
and address, any potential complaints in (or near) real time. In sum, at present, despite substantial
efforts to locate these materials, certain of Clark’s materials, including some of what he has
described as legal materials, may have been accidentally discarded or otherwise misplaced by a
construction contractor or a Nursing Home employee.
The Government is fully committed to helping reunite the defendant with the remainder of
his possessions—and/or to helping recreate the legal materials he had in his possession previously.
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In that regard, Clark informed USI that his legal materials (i.e., the large, 3-ring metal binders)
came from his former counsel, so the Government contacted Clark’s counsel—both former and
current. Clark’s former counsel confirmed that she retained a full electronic copy of all such
materials, and she will work with stand-by counsel to promptly provide a copy for Clark of any
materials he still desires. In addition, in consultation with USMS, the Government informed
Clark’s stand-by counsel that he could bring a new white noise machine to Clark at the Nursing
Home at any time.
Please let us know if any further information would be useful at this time.
Respectfully submitted,
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
By: _____________________________
Michael D. Neff
Assistant United States Attorney

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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 2:13 pm

by rSin

what a fucked situation

the screws determine to fuck with everyone
if you dont roll over for it your deamed a problem

knew a guy who got a beatdown by the sherriffs which landed him in the hospital for week
he was arrested in his hospital bed and dragged off to the jail ward at usc

his family and friends wrote him constantly but he never recieved a piece of that mail

fuckers

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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:58 am

by Munchy

yesterday i was thinking of posting that we should take bets on whether they were going to re-schedule again... of course!

September 14, 2022
BY CM/ECF
The Honorable Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Southern District of New York
New York, New York 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark, 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
Sentencing in the above-captioned case is currently scheduled for September 22, 2022 at
2:30 p.m. With apologies to the Court, both of the AUSAs currently assigned to this case anticipate
being unavailable on that date. Accordingly, the Government respectfully requests, if acceptable
to the Court, that the sentencing be rescheduled for September 29th or September 30th, at a time
convenient to the Court.
Respectfully submitted,
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney
By: /s/
Michael D. Neff / Vladislav Vainberg
Assistant United States Attorneys

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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:33 am

by Jesús Malverde

At some point a missing printer cable will cause a further delay.

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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:01 pm

by dill786

Clark was very smart, manipulative, and entitled.

basically a narcissist.

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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:10 am

by Munchy

Clark's sentencing is adjourned to January 26 , 2023
Any supplemental sentencing submission by Clark is due by December 30, 2022;
the government's response is due by January 10, 2023.

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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:43 pm

by Jesús Malverde

dill786 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:01 pm

Clark was very smart, manipulative, and entitled.
basically a narcissist.

My DSM-5 sez: spot on. You've got a future as a headshrinker.

update

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:44 pm

by Munchy

Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark,
S2 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
I write in my capacity as legal advisor / standby counsel to pro se defendant Roger
Thomas Clark.
Mr. Clark requests that the Court adjourn the current sentence date of January 26, 2023,
and instead hold a status conference at which he can address the Court, and at which a new
schedule can be set. He also requests adjournment of the briefing schedule, which requires him
to make his supplemental sentencing submission by tomorrow. Mr. Clark requests this relief
because he has not been able to prepare for his sentencing proceeding since being transferred
from a rehabilitation center to the MDC on August 8, 2022, due to his medical condition and lack
of adequate care, and because his legal research and work product has been taken from him.
A separate reason that the Court should adjourn the sentencing schedule is to allow Mr.
Clark to reply to the Government’s latest letter, submitted yesterday while I was visiting with
him at the MDC, and of which he is not yet aware. (Government Letter dated 12/28/2022,
“Letter”). This Letter was written in response to the Court’s Order, made more than three months
prior, directing the Government to reply to allegations set forth in Mr. Clark’s August 30, 2022
submission. (ECF Do. No. 157). The Letter, including 89 pages of medical records, purports to
refute Mr. Clark’s claims of inhumane treatment by the Bureau of Prisons as well as his account
of his recent medical condition. Both of these issues are highly relevant to sentencing and Mr.
Clark should be given a full opportunity to respond. 1
Respectfully yours,
Evan L. Lipton
Legal Advisor / Standby Counsel to Roger Clark

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:02 am

by AlwaysBlue

PoM must be really lovin it in MDC (wtf)

Maybe he's trying to manipulate which judge eventually sentences him (he's been thru 3 so far)

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:44 pm

by Munchy

[Type text]
January 10, 2022
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark,
Dear Judge Stein:
By Order dated September 16, 2022 (Dkt. 157), this Court adjourned defendant Roger
Thomas Clark’s sentencing to January 26, 2023, directed the Probation Department to submit an
updated PSR, and directed the Government to respond to Clark’s allegations concerning his
medical treatment following his July 2020 transfer to the MDC. The Court further permitted Clark
to file any supplemental sentencing submissions by December 30, 2022, with the Government’s
response due by January 10, 2023.
As the Court is aware, the Probation Office filed a revised PSR dated November 2, 2022.
Subsequently, the Government submitted a letter on December 28, 2022, supplemented by medical
records, responding to the defendant’s allegations and evidencing that he is capable of proceeding
to sentencing on January 26, 2023. On December 29, 2022, the defendant’s current standby
counsel submitted a brief letter (Dkt. 160) seeking to adjourn sentencing without date “due to his
medical condition and lack of adequate care, and because his legal research and work product has
been taken from him.” The request appears to recycle the same grounds addressed in the
Government’s briefing of July 29, 2022 (relating to his loss of legal research and medical
conditions) and December 28, 2022 (relating to his current medical conditions and treatment).
The Government is ready to proceed to sentencing on January 26, 2023, and respectfully
reserves the right to file a response should Clark elect to make any further sentencing submissions.
The Silvio J. Mollo Building
One Saint Andrew’s Plaza,
New York 10007
U.S. Department of Justice
United States Attorney
Southern District of New York
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Respectfully submitted,
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:00 pm

by rSin

Munchy wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:44 pm
The request appears to recycle the same grounds addressed in the
Government’s briefing of July 29, 2022 ...

get a handle on your agents and them repeating their crimes and it wouldnt be a problem...

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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:14 am

by Munchy

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
------------------------------------------------------x
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
-v-
ROGER THOMAS CLARK,
Defendant.
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SIDNEY H. STEIN, U.S. District Judge.
15-Cr-866 (SHS)
ORDER
Defendant was originally scheduled to be sentenced by Judge William H. Pauley, III, in
2020. The Final Presentence Investigation Report was filed on July 8, 2020 [Doc. No. 56], and
the parties' submissions were filed shortly thereafter [Doc. Nos. 63 and 64]. Clark's sentencing
date was subsequently adjourned several times due to the COVID-19 pandemic [Doc. Nos. 49,
59], Clark' s limited access to legal materials [Doc Nos. 61, 68] , his illness and later injuries
suffered during a fall at the MDC [Doc. Nos. 70-118], and his decision to proceed prose . [Doc
Nos. 130-140
In July of 2022, Clark wrote to this Court concerning his conditions of confinement.
[Doc. No. 147.] The Court ordered the government to investigate those conditions, set a schedule
for any additional sentencing submissions, requested an updated PSR , and set sentencing for
September 22, 2022. [Doc. No. 148, 149.]
On August 30, 2022, Clark requested yet another adjournment of his sentencing on the
grounds that he was still unable to access his legal documents, as well as continuing medical
issues [Doc. No. 156]. On September 16 , 2022, the Court directed the government to respond to
Clark' s contentions, adjourned the sentencing to January 26, 2023, requested an updated PSR ,
and provided for Clark to submit any supplemental sentencing submission by December 30,
2022. [Doc. No . 157.]
On November 2, 2022, the Probation Department issued its Revised Final Presentence
Investigation Report [Doc. No. 159], and on December 28, 2022, the government responded to
Clark's contentions regarding his medical conditions and alleged inability to prepare for
sentencing, asserting that he is capable of proceeding to sentencing.
On December 29, 2022, Evan Lipton, Clark' s standby counsel, wrote that Clark was
requesting yet another adjournment of sentencing on the grounds that he has not been able to
prepare for his sentencing "due to his medical conditions and lack of adequate care, and because
his legal research and work product has been taken from him." [Doc. No. 160.] The letter also
requested a status conference, and that Clark be given an extension on filing his supplemental
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sentencing submission and an opportunity to respond to the government' s December 28 letter.
The government responded that it is prepared to proceed with the sentencing as scheduled. [Doc.
No. 162.]
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the deadline for Clark to submit any supplemental
sentencing submission and the January 26 sentencing date are adjourned sine die. If Clark wishes
to respond to the government's December 28 letter, he should do so by February 10, 2023. There
will be a status conference in this matter on February 14 , 2023, at 10:00 a.m. , in Courtroom 23A,
500 Pearl Street, New York, New York.
Dated: New York, New York
January 11 , 2023
SO ORDERED:
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(Adjournment without setting a definite date for meeting again is called adjournment sine die)

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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:49 pm

by Munchy

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:41 am

by Jesús Malverde

Stories from a former fellow inmate of Clark's-
https://frankreport.com/2023/01/23/the- ... ety-jones/

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:54 am

by rSin

they mentioned his old signature,

'the last thing you want is my undivided attention'

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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:36 pm

by Munchy

BY ECF
The Honorable Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Southern District of New York
Daniel Patrick Moynihan U.S. Courthouse
500 Pearl Street
New York, NY 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark,
S2 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
I write in my capacity as legal advisor / standby counsel to pro se defendant Roger
Thomas Clark to respectfully request that the status conference currently scheduled for February
10, 2023, be adjourned until March 7, 2023. The reason for this request is that I will be engaged
in trial in the EDNY during the month of February. 1
Respectfully yours,
Evan L. Lipton
Legal Advisor / Standby Counsel to Roger Clark
Cc: Roger Thomas Clark
(by United States Mail)

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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 9:05 pm

by Munchy

confirmation of the above date was hidden until now... next Tuesday morning, if they don't delay it further. wish him luck

The conference is adjourned to March 7, 2023, at 10:00 a.m. SO ORDERED: Status Conference set for 3/7/2023 at 10:00 AM before Judge Sidney H. Stein

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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 10:42 pm

by Hippiechik

I know there’s been all kinds of shenanigans and tomfoolery with this guy, but I genuinely liked him. He was an entertaining author, at least.

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Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:37 pm

by Munchy

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
-----------------------------------------------------------------x
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
-against-
ROGER THOMAS CLARK,
Defendant.
-----------------------------------------------------------------x
SIDNEY H. STEIN, U.S. District Judge:
At the request of the defendant,
l 5-Cr-866 (SHS)
ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, for the reasons set forth on the record, Evan L. Lipton
is appointed to represent the defendant pursuant to the Criminal Justice Act.
Dated: New York, New York
March 7, 2023
1dney H. Stein, U.S.D.J.
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 168 Filed 03/07/23 Page 1 of 1

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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 11:29 pm

by smokebreaks

Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge Sidney H. Stein:

Status Conference as to Roger Thomas Clark held on 3/6/2023.

Defendant Roger Clark present with standby counsel Evan Lipton; for the government Michael Neff and Vladislav Vainberg present; court reporter George Malinowski also present.

At the request of defendant, the Court appoints Evan Lipton as his attorney.

The defendants supplemental sentencing submission is due by April 21, the governments submission is due by May 5.

The sentencing is scheduled for May 18, 2023, at 10:30 a.m.

Defendant remains remanded. (Sentencing set for 5/18/2023 at 10:30 AM before Judge Sidney H. Stein)

Added attorney Evan Loren Lipton for Roger Thomas Clark.

(Court Reporter George Malinowski) (ap) Modified on 3/7/2023 (lab). Modified on 3/7/2023 (ap). (Entered: 03/07/2023)

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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:42 am

by Jesús Malverde

On April 14, 2023, The Department of Justice (DOJ) for the Southern District of New York revealed that the hacker responsible for the Silk Road marketplace breach was sentenced to one year in prison for wire fraud. James Zhong stole over 50,000 bitcoins from a darknet marketplace (DNM) in September 2012. DOJ attorney Damian Williams said Zhong used a bitcoin mixing service, an international cryptocurrency exchange, and “an impressive array of technological tools to thwart tracing efforts.”

https://cryptosaurus.tech/silk-road-hac ... ire-fraud/

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:11 am

by Munchy

April 19, 2023
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark,
Dear Judge Stein:
I write as counsel to Roger Clark to request that the schedule for his sentencing
submissions and sentencing hearing be adjourned approximately three weeks. Specifically, I
propose that the sentencing submission presently due on April 21 instead be filed on or before
May 12; that the government response date be changed to May 26, and that the sentencing
hearing be held on or after June 23 (instead of May 17). Although I have made prior adjournment
requests on Mr. Clark’s behalf (while serving as standby counsel), this is the first I am making as
his legal representative. I intend for this to be the final adjournment in this matter. The
government (A.U.S.A. Vainberg) consents to this application.
The reason for this request is that it has been particularly difficult to communicate with
Mr. Clark over the last several weeks due to the implementation of a “planned lockdown” at the
facility, announced in a memorandum from Warden Ma’at on March 24 and in effect since at
least that date. As a result, Mr. Clark has not had adequate time to share with me information
relevant to his final sentencing submission, including materials he has written and would like me
to review prior to entering a filing on his behalf.

While the lockdown continues, Mr. Clark reports that access to Corrlinks, which he uses
to draft and email communications to counsel, has been restored. If permitted additional time to
work with Mr. Clark over the next three weeks, both during in-person legal visits and through
use of email, I am confident that I will be able to gather and present the relevant information to
the Court in a submission acceptable to Mr. Clark.
Respectfully yours,
Evan L. Lipton
Attorney for Roger Clark

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:34 am

by roller24

https://gwern.net/doc/darknet-market/20 ... 949218.pdf
Not sure if this has been posted, but it's good reading on pom's life inside.
beware...the food mafia is coming for your milk.

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:18 pm

by Munchy

that's why they really should release him as time served completed.

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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:13 am

by Munchy

Cc: Gov't counsel
The sentencing is adjourned to June 26, 2023, at 10:00 a.m. The defense submission is due by May 12,
the government submission is due by May 26.
Dated: New York, New York
April 20, 2023

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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:49 pm

by Munchy

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Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 1:05 pm

by Munchy

Dated: May 12, 2023: (22 pages)
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .173.0.pdf
SUPPLEMENTAL SENTENCING MEMORANDUM OF DEFENDANT ROGER THOMAS CLARK

Roger Clark has endured a brutal pre-trial incarceration, first in Thailand and then
at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, where he was the victim of extreme
medical negligence. He should be given a sentence of time-served...

also just posted:
Sentencing Submission Attachment 1 Exhibit CMU Silk Road Analysis (27 pages)
Filed 5/13/23 dated: July 30, 2012 (Revised November 28, 2012)
Traveling the Silk Road: A measurement analysis of a large anonymous online marketplace:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .173.1.pdf

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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 6:21 pm

by smokebreaks

Sentencing set for 6/26/2023 at 10:00 AM before Judge Sidney H. Stein

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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 11:38 am

by Munchy

LAW OFFICE OF
EVAN L. LIPTON
May 22, 2023
Hon. Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Daniel Patrick Moynihan United States Courthouse
Re: United States v. Rog er Clark, 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
After consultation with government counsel, I write to respectfully request that the
sentence memorandum filed at ECF No. 173 be withdrawn, and replaced with a revised
memorandum, filed on ECF today along with this letter. The memorandum has been revised in
the following ways: (1) section VIII, addressing the guidelines enhancement for "threat to use
violence" has been removed; (2) the sections following have been renumbered; and (3) a portion
of the revised section VIII, addressing the guidelines enhancement for obstruction of justice, has
been removed.
Respectfully yours,
LEvan L. Lipton 'Attorney for Roger Clark
cc: Gov't counsel
The request to replace the sentencing memorandum [Doc. No. 173] with the attached supplemental
sentencing memorandum is granted.
Dated: New York, New York
May 22, 2023
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 175 Filed 05/22/23 Page 1 of 1

here is a chart of Silk Road sales data:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .176.1.pdf

May 26, 2023
BY ECF AND EMAIL
The Honorable Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Southern District of New York
500 Pearl Street
Daniel Patrick Moynihan U.S. Courthouse
New York, New York 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark, S2 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
The Government respectfully submits this supplemental letter in advance of sentencing in
the above-captioned case, which is scheduled for June 26, 2023, at 10:00 a.m. In January 2020,
defendant Roger Thomas Clark (“Clark” or the “defendant”) pleaded guilty, pursuant to a plea
agreement with the Government (the “Plea Agreement”), to conspiracy to distribute narcotics,
stemming from his role in helping administer the Silk Road website. Pursuant to the Plea
Agreement, the applicable range under the United States Sentencing Guidelines (“Guidelines” or
“U.S.S.G.”) would be life imprisonment; however, by operation of the statutory maximum
punishment (20 years), the applicable Guidelines range becomes 240 months’ imprisonment (i.e.,
the “Stipulated Guidelines Sentence”). For the array of reasons set forth in the Government’s prior
sentencing letters (Dkts. 64, 74) and below—including Clark’s leadership role in operating Silk
Road, Clark’s orchestration of a murder-for-hire plot, Clark’s obstruction of justice, and the
staggering quantities of devastating drugs sold on Silk Road—the Government respectfully
submits that a sentence of 240 months’ imprisonment is warranted for Clark’s far-ranging and
extremely serious conduct.
Part I of this letter highlights especially important aspects of Clark’s offense, and Part II of
this letter responds to the defense’s arguments in its recent supplemental sentencing submission.
I. SUMMARY OF CERTAIN ASPECTS OF CLARK’S OFFENSE
This Part highlights the following features of Clark’s offense: Silk Road’s purpose,
sophistication, and scope; Clark’s roles; Clark’s use of violence to protect the Silk Road empire;
Clark’s obstruction of justice; and Clark’s own words.
Silk Road’s Purpose: Clark and his co-conspirators operated a massive dark web
marketplace that was specifically designed to facilitate the sale of contraband—such as drugs,
guns, and computer hacking equipment—in a way that protected buyers and sellers. Silk Road
offered the sale of nearly every illegal drug, including heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, crack, ecstasy,
LSD, methamphetamine, prescription pills (e.g., oxycodone), and GHB (i.e., a date-rape drug).
Hon. Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
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Silk Road also offered various other illegal goods and services, such as: (1) guns and ammunition
(for a period of time); (2) counterfeit and fraudulent identity documents, including U.S. and foreign
passports, drivers’ licenses, and social security cards; (3) money laundering services; and
(4) computer hacking tools, such as tools that compromised the usernames and passwords to
victims’ email and social media accounts, as well as tools that gave intruders remote access to a
victim’s computer, including their webcam activity. The sale of such contraband was openly
advertised on Silk Road. (See U.S. Probation Office’s Revised Presentence Investigation Report
dated November 2, 2022 (Dkt. 159 (“PSR”)), ¶¶ 17, 24, 26-33).
Silk Road’s Sophistication: Silk Road was the first site of its kind to combine various
anonymizing features (e.g., Tor, Tor hidden services, Bitcoin, a Tumbler, etc., see id. ¶¶ 21, 22,
34, 40). Silk Road was therefore unprecedented and paradigm-shifting. Predictably, Silk Road
has spawned various copycat darkweb marketplaces that have caused, and continue to cause,
significant societal harm.
Silk Road’s Staggering Scope: Silk Road was staggering in scope; there were more than
1.5 million transactions, involving more than 115,000 buyer accounts and 3,000 seller accounts.
These transactions had a total value of approximately $213 million, including more than $183
million in drug sales. The drugs sold on Silk Road included more than 82 kilograms of cocaine
and 26 kilograms of heroin—approximately $17.3 million in cocaine sales, and $8.9 million in
heroin sales. In terms of total sales volume, there were more than approximately: 82,000 sales of
cocaine; 53,000 sales of heroin; 34,000 sales of methamphetamine; 169,000 sales of ecstasy;
122,000 sales of psychedelic drugs; 298,000 sales of cannabis (or cannabis-related products);
24,000 sales of opioids; and 5,000 sales of GHB, a date-rape drug. Furthermore, there were more
than approximately 7,000 sales of counterfeit or fraudulent identity documents, and more than
32,000 sales of money laundering services. Simply put, Clark’s offense was breathtaking in scope.
(Id. ¶¶ 43-47; see also Ex. A (United States v. Ross Ulbricht, 14 Cr. 68 (LGS), Govt. Exhibit 940
(Silk Road Sales Data, Feb. 6, 2011 – Oct. 2, 2013)).
Silk Road also reached nearly every corner of the globe, and it is easy to see why: Silk
Road dramatically lowered the entry barriers into the underground economy for buyers and sellers
alike. For sellers, Silk Road provided immediate access to a massive pool of customers across the
globe, whom they never could have found on the street. For buyers, Silk Road (1) connected them
to a large volume of drug dealers throughout the world; (2) provided immediate access to drugs of
virtually every variety; and (3) enabled them to purchase drugs with the click of a mouse. Thus,
for buyers and sellers alike, Silk Road accomplished a double-feat: It greatly expanded the pool of
potential transaction partners, while greatly reducing their risk, as buyers and sellers could
circumvent the physical obstacles that might otherwise prevent or deter them from buying or
selling drugs locally. It was no longer necessary to meet a drug dealer in person, because Silk
Road transformed the U.S. mail into a de facto delivery service for narcotics and other contraband.
Clark’s Central, Varied Roles: In a chat with Ulbricht in 2011, Clark explained that he and
a co-conspirator (“~s”) had hacked Silk Road three times before Clark got involved in Silk Road.1
1 “~s” was subsequently identified as Michael Weigand, an Ohio-based hacker and close
confidante of Clark’s. In 2019, Weigand lied during proffers with the Government in order to
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United States District Judge
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Clark explained, “we didn’t know whether or not we could trust you way back then. . . . by trust,
I mean we wanted to know wheter or not you were doing what we’d call bad things / saving info
you shouldn’t.” Clark elaborated, “were addresses really deleted, or did you save them away for
a rainy day”? By hacking Silk Road, Clark and “~s” promptly proved their value to Ulbricht; in
so doing, they revealed that, in its early iteration, Silk Road was vulnerable and therefore, that
Ulbricht needed assistance. During this conversation, Clark recommended several security
practices, including requiring that vendors use encryption when sending delivery addresses, so that
if law enforcement were able to image the Silk Road servers, law enforcement would not have
usable information with which to target Silk Road users for buying and selling contraband. During
this conversation, Clark also told Ulbricht, “you MUST stop adding new features to the live site -
one of these days you’ll leave an opening, and if a db dump, including many unencrypted addy’s
[i.e., customer addresses] and info got dumped on pastebin, you’re done. period. no more chances.”
(PSR ¶¶ 60-61). This is just one example of the many, varied, pivotal roles that Clark fulfilled.
In total, for nearly two years, Clark partnered with Ulbricht to operate Silk Road,
culminating in Clark’s part-ownership of Silk Road (according to Clark). During this time, Clark
was involved in virtually every aspect of Silk Road, including that:
• Clark assisted with the technical development of the Silk Road website.
• Clark hired a computer programmer to maintain and improve the technical
infrastructure and computer code underlying the Silk Road website.
• Clark was involved in promoting sales of contraband on Silk Road, including narcotics.
• Clark advised Ulbricht on the rules and policies for Silk Road, including what should
be sold on the site (e.g., firearms).
• Clark regularly advised Ulbricht regarding security.
• Clark devised Ulbricht’s “cover story” to make it appear as though Ulbricht had sold
Silk Road.
• Clark urged Ulbricht to arrange for the murder of a Silk Road staff member whom they
believed had stolen approximately $350,000 from Silk Road.
• Clark conducted research on law enforcement’s efforts to investigate Silk Road.
• Clark advised Ulbricht as to what to do if Ulbricht were ever arrested (e.g., do not speak
with law enforcement; do not leave information lying about; and if imprisoned, “just
sit quietly and remember that time is on your side, always”).
(Id. ¶ 52).
protect Clark. Weigand subsequently pleaded guilty to making several false statements and was
sentenced principally to eight months’ imprisonment. See 20 Cr. 510 (WHP).
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United States District Judge
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Ulbricht confirmed the various, critical ways in which Clark was a partner and mentor. In
a journal entry on his laptop, Ulbricht wrote about Silk Road’s successful first year in operation,
and in the following excerpt, he described how “Variety Jones”—i.e., Clark—had provided him
with significant advice and assistance in operating and managing Silk Road2:
Around this time, Variety Jones showed up. This was the biggest and strongest
willed character I had met through the site thus far. He quickly proved to me
that he had value by pointing out a major security hole in the site I was unaware
of. It was an attack on bitcoind. We quickly began discussing every aspect of
the site as well as future ideas. He convinced me of a server configuration
paradigm that gave me the confidence to be the sole server administrator and
not work with someone else at all. He has advised me on many technical aspect
of what we are doing, helped me speed up the site and squeeze more out of my
current servers. He also has helped me better interact with the community
around Silk Road, delivering proclamations, handling troublesome characters,
running a sale, changing my name, devising rules, and on and on. He also
helped me get my head straight regarding legal protection, cover stories,
devising a will, finding a successor, and so on. He’s been a real mentor.
(Id. ¶ 53).
Clark Urged Murder: As the parties stipulated in the Plea Agreement, Clark advocated for
and facilitated an attempted murder-for-hire of a Silk Road employee suspected of stealing
$350,000 in Bitcoin from Silk Road.
The murder-for-hire occurred in early 2013, but to better understand Clark’s and Ulbricht’s
mentalities towards violence and murder, it is necessary to briefly discuss one prior conversation
between the two men, which occurred in October 2012. In that 2012 conversation, Clark wrote to
Ulbricht, “Ha, dude, we’re criminal drug dealers - what line shouldn’t we cross?” Ulbricht replied,
“murder, theft, cheating, lying” and added, “hurting people”.
Three months later, these views were put to the test. Specifically, in January 2013, Ulbricht
learned from a Silk Road staff member about the suspected theft of $350,000 worth of Bitcoin,
and Ulbricht’s initial reaction was consistent with the philosophy he had previously articulated to
Clark in October 2012. Specifically, Ulbricht told this Silk Road staff member, “this makes me
sick to my stomache . . . This will be the first time I have had to call on my muscle. fucking sucks.”
Ulbricht then considered how to respond to this theft. Ulbricht told a purported high-volume drug
trafficker on the site, “Nob,” that he wanted someone to sit the thief down at his computer and
send the stolen bitcoins back; “beat up [the thief] only if he doesn’t comply i guess,” Ulbricht said,
adding, “not sure how these things usually go.” (Id. ¶ 71). Ulbricht also drafted a possible note
to be delivered to the thief, directing him to “Send the bitcoins you stole to the following address
immediately.” Ulbricht’s initial reaction was clear; he was focused on money, not murder.
2 All quoted journal entries and chat logs are provided verbatim herein, including any errors in
spelling, grammar, and punctuation.
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United States District Judge
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Then Ulbricht discussed the theft with Clark. As Ulbricht speculated about how the theft
might have occurred, Clark interjected. “Enough about the theft,” Clark said; “tell me about the
organ donor.” Shortly thereafter, Clark asked, “at what point in time do we decide we’ve had
enough of someones shit and terminate them?” Ulbricht asked, “terminate? execute?” Clark
explained, “We’re playing with big money with serious people, and that’s the world they live in.”
Shortly thereafter, Clark added, “he came at us from inside, put many folks at risk, and facing a
serious felony he’s def the kind of guy that would seel what little he knows for a break with the
Feebs.”3 Clark also said, “Dude, he was a CSR [i.e., customer support representative] that could
read PMs [i.e., private messages], reset passwords, mebbe harvest addys [i.e., addresses] while
emptying accounts, etc., etc.” (Id.).
Clark persisted in advocating for the murder. Approximately one minute later, he pressed
Ulbricht, “So, you’ve had your time to think. You’re sitting in the big chair, and you need to make
a decision.” Ulbricht replied, “I would have no problem wasting this guy.” Clark then said, “Well
ok then, I’ll take care of it.” Not long after, Clark added:
You would have surprised me if you had balked at taking the step, of bluntly,
killing [the suspected Bitcoin thief] for fucking up just a wee bit too badly.
Also, if you had balked, I would have seriously re-considered our relationship.
We’re playing for keeps, this just drives it home. I’m perfectly comfortable
with the decision, and I’ll sleep like a lamb tonight, and every night hereafter.
(Id. ¶ 72). Clark offered Ulbricht the services of “Irish,” who was Clark’s muscle, to carry out the
murder. However, “Nob” separately told Ulbricht that he could carry out the murder more quickly.
(“Nob” was geographically much closer to the target than was “Irish.”) Accordingly, Ulbricht
agreed to pay “Nob” $80,000 to kill the Silk Road staff member whom he believed had stolen the
money. In fact, “Nob” was an undercover law enforcement agent; unbeknownst to Ulbricht and
Clark, no murder in fact occurred. (Id. ¶ 73). During a subsequent conversation about the murder-
for-hire, Ulbricht told Clark, “there’s definitely a part of me that’s crossed a line though,” and
added, “like... you can’t uncross that line.” Clark calmly replied, “Irish was 2 days behind them,
if I had info earlier, I would have acted first, I assure ya.”
In summary, Clark’s assessment of the entire situation was cold-hearted and nonchalant;
he neither hesitated to kill nor appeared to view the matter as worthy of much conversation. This
is the mentality of a cold-blooded killer—a man willing to stop at nothing to protect Silk Road.
Indeed, perhaps nowhere was Clark’s influence on Ulbricht more apparent than in Ulbricht’s rapid
transformation in how to handle this suspected Bitcoin theft.
Clark Obstructed Justice: During the offense, Clark threatened to hurt a co-conspirator’s
wife if she reported Clark’s and her husband’s involvement in Silk Road to the police. (Id. ¶ 74).
And after Clark’s arrest in Thailand, Clark obstructed justice by lying under oath during his
extradition proceeding in Thailand. Specifically, Clark lied by claiming that (1) at the time of his
arrest, he had “no knowledge” of Silk Road; (2) he did not have “any involvement” in Silk Road;
3 Earlier in this conversation, Ulbricht noted that the suspected thief, “Flush,” had been arrested
ten days earlier for cocaine possession.
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and (3) he was not associated with Ross Ulbricht. (Id. ¶ 75). Thus, Clark was quite determined to
evade the consequences of his actions.
Clark’s Words: Among the chat logs recovered from Ulbricht’s laptop were over 1,000
pages of chats between Ulbricht and Clark, which spanned from approximately December 2011
until April 2013. Clark’s words provide insight into his motivations, his character, and his risk of
recidivism:
• “been my dream, make those fuckers at the DEA pack their bags and leave in the night. I
believe that we can break drug prohibition”
• “I want that whole ball of wax in my hands, so I can say I did that, I took down the DEA”
• “iwant to break the dEA’s back and end cannabis prohibition - I believe i will succeed in
destroying them. And they are a big target.”
• “I wanna break the DEA, and to do that, we need to break new ground in many directions
at once.”
• “[A particular programmer whom Clark hired] supports my dream of breaking the DEA”
• “they killed 2 friends of mine, DEA did, and I took it personally and swore I’d break them
or die trying”
• “folks who risk the security of clients have to be dealt with swiftly and ruthlessly”
• “I’m having the time of my fucking life. Told my honey, that today, looking back, I cannot
think of a time in my life when I was happier, busier, or more content, all at the same time.”
(Id. ¶¶ 54, 59). It is hard to imagine a more eager criminal, or a less repentant one, than Clark.
Indeed, even Ulbricht’s arrest did not stop Clark. Rather, after Ulbricht’s arrest, Clark
asked a co-conspirator, “Tex,” to take over Silk Road’s operations. (Id. ¶ 68). Thus, Clark was
neither chastened nor deterred. This was the response of a man who was determined to achieve
his goals—his dream—of “break[ing] drug prohibition” and “t[aking] down the DEA.”
Given Clark’s stunning array of misconduct, it is unsurprising that his Guidelines
calculation was literally off the chart, as his stipulated offense level, 45, exceeds the maximum
possible offense level under the Sentencing Guidelines. (Id. ¶ 9). By operation of the statutory
maximum punishment of the lesser-included offense to which Clark pleaded guilty, Clark’s
applicable Guidelines range was reduced from life imprisonment to 20 years. That sentence, 20
years, is plainly warranted here, given the following considerations, among other things:
1. The enormity of this offense;
2. The significant harms that such conduct causes;
3. The unprecedented nature of Silk Road, which unfortunately created a model that
others have subsequently drawn from to wreak further havoc on our society;
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4. The defendant’s central, pivotal roles in the offense for nearly two years, including his
leadership;
5. The defendant’s role in perpetuating Silk Road by making it more secure, more
professional, more ruthless;
6. The defendant’s promptly advocating violence and murder to protect the Silk Road
empire;
7. The defendant’s entirely nonchalant reaction to murder, which evinces a complete
disregard for others’ lives or wellbeing;
8. The defendant’s eagerness to continue Silk Road, even after Ulbricht’s arrest; and
9. The defendant’s obstruction of justice after his arrest.
II. THE DEFENSE’S ARGUMENTS ARE INACCURATE, UNPERSUASIVE, OR BOTH
On May 13, 2023, the defendant filed a supplemental sentencing submission raising
various arguments and seeking a sentence of time served.4 (Dkt. 173). These arguments are
addressed in turn:
Clark’s Motivations: Clark contends that his involvement in Silk Road was motivated by
his “deeply held beliefs about privacy, individual autonomy, and a legalization/harm reduction
model for drug policy.” (Def. Rev. Letter, 3). This is nonsense. First, someone who was actually
motivated by a belief in “individual autonomy”—i.e., individuals’ rights to make choices about
their own bodies—would not try to commit murder. Ending another human being’s life is the very
antithesis of individual autonomy. And doing so without any hesitation or concern reveals an
4 In this submission, the defendant falsely asserted that he “did not participate” in the murder-for-
hire plot that he admitted in his Plea Agreement, and he claimed, without evidence, that the chat
logs demonstrating his involvement were somehow altered by Ulbricht in order to “falsely
implicate” Clark. (Dkt. 173.) In fact, the chat logs were extensively corroborated by additional
evidence and also implicated Ulbricht himself in the same murder-for-hire. In this submission, the
defendant also falsely denied obstructing justice by lying during his extradition proceeding, which
he also had admitted in his Plea Agreement; Clark argued that the statements he “is alleged to have
made during a court appearance in Bangkok when he said that he ‘had no knowledge’ regarding
Silk Road and ‘did not have any involvement with this web site’” were “misrecorded and taken
out of context.” Id. at 11. In fact, the defendant reviewed and signed a transcript of the Thai
extradition proceedings that clearly set forth his false denials, and this transcript was provided to
the defense during discovery.
The Government promptly informed defendant’s current counsel that Clark’s false denials of
responsibility for the murder-for-hire and obstruction of justice plainly contradicted the terms of
his Plea Agreement and his acceptance of responsibility. On May 22, 2023, defense counsel
requested permission from the Court to replace his sentencing memorandum with one that
withdraws these two arguments (Dkt. 174 (“Def. Rev. Letter”)), which permission was granted on
the same day (Dkt. 175). In light of this withdrawal, the Government is not seeking any legal relief
from the Court at this time, but reserves all of its rights to the extent that, before or during
sentencing, the defendant makes arguments, whether in writing or orally, that breach his Plea
Agreement or otherwise demonstrate a failure to accept responsibility.
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astonishing lack of regard for anyone other than himself and anything other than his hoped-for
legacy. Second, anyone who wanted to reduce the harm associated with illegal drugs would find
no shortage of opportunities to help individuals or communities in need, including through
potential legislative changes, community initiatives, etc. What Clark did, by contrast, was to
greatly expand the marketplace for extremely powerful drugs by making it much easier, and much
less risky, to buy and sell narcotics. Third, Clark’s “deeply held” beliefs are, if anything, cause
for concern. While Clark is certainly entitled to his beliefs—and to take any lawful action based
on those beliefs—his widespread, long-running, destructive conduct in this case gives rise to
concerns about future dangerousness and potential recidivism. 5 In sum, Clark’s own words
provide a more accurate description of his apparent motivations: “I want that whole ball of wax in
my hands, so I can say I did that, I took down the DEA.” His actions therefore seem more
motivated by his contempt for the Government and for law and order than anything else.
Clark’s Talents: Clark next highlights his entrepreneurial spirit, his status as a self-taught
computer coder, and his interest in data privacy. (Def. Rev. Letter, 5, 7). There is no question that
Clark is extremely intelligent, perceptive, and persuasive—and that he could have made a living,
and an impact, in a lawful manner. He chose, however, to use his considerable skills for illicit,
destructive ends. And he further chose to use his intellect to try to avoid the consequences of his
actions.
Clark’s Claims about Cannabis: Clark next contends that cannabis “made up the majority
of the site’s sales.” (Def. Rev. Letter, 9). This is wrong. There were approximately $183 million
in drug sales on Silk Road, see PSR ¶ 43, and cannabis accounted for less than approximately $50
million of that total amount, see Ex. A. Viewed in totality, there were far more sales of “hard”
drugs on Silk Road (e.g., heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, LSD, psychedelics, ecstasy, methamphetamine,
etc.)—both in terms of the number of sales and the amounts paid—than there were of cannabis.
Ex. A. Even the article that the defense attached to its recent submission—purportedly to support
this argument—makes clear that “Weed,” “Cannabis,” “Hash,” and “Seeds” comprised only
approximately 22.2% of items offered for sale on Silk Road. In sum, this argument is another
transparent, self-serving attempt to minimize the severity of Clark’s misconduct.
Clark’s Obstruction: Clark next asks the Court to essentially disregard the fact that he lied,
under oath, during his extradition proceeding in Thailand, arguing that his obstructive lies “should
not be part of the Court’s [sentencing] calculus.” (Def. Rev. Letter, 11). This is an unpersuasive,
5 As the Second Circuit has explained, “a defendant’s beliefs or associational activity” may
properly be considered at sentencing so long as they are “relevant to the issues involved” in the
sentencing proceeding, such as to “rebut mitigating evidence that the defendant proffers” or to
demonstrate future dangerousness or potential recidivism. United States v. Kane, 452 F.3d 140,
142–43 (2d Cir. 2006) (quoting Dawson v. Delaware, 503 U.S. 159, 164 (1992), and citing, inter
alia, United States v. Brown, 479 F.2d 1170, 1174–75 (2d Cir. 1973) (holding that court properly
considered defendant’s “expressed sympathy with the political and social views of the Black
Panther Party” as relevant to whether defendant posed a future threat)). The Government may not,
however, “offer proof of a defendant’s ‘abstract beliefs’ merely for the purpose of demonstrating
that those beliefs, and by extension the defendant, are ‘morally reprehensible.’” Id. (quoting
Dawson, 503 U.S. at 166–67).
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and potentially dangerous, argument. Clark’s lies were calculated and obstructive. Clark
presumably considered the anticipated costs and benefits of this course of action and likely
reasoned that the cost of lying under oath—an increase in punishment, should he face justice in
the United States—was worth the potential benefit to him: not having to face justice at all. Of
course, the legal system relies on accurate information to ensure justice for all, including
defendants. The consequences can be enormously significant (e.g., for defendants, victims, and
others) when an individual deliberately injects false information into the justice system’s equation.
The consequences for such an individual must also be significant. That general observation is
even more important here, because Clark’s lies under oath are part of a broader pattern of behavior
in which he displayed no respect whatsoever for the law, legal proceedings, or other individuals’
wellbeing.
Clark’s Arguments regarding Health and the Conditions of Confinement: Finally, Clark
raises a series of arguments relating to his health and to the conditions of confinement in Thailand,
at the MDC, and at two rehabilitation facilities where Clark was housed while recovering from hip
surgery. Having previously urged the Court to impose a sentence of 15 years’ imprisonment (in
his 2020 sentencing submission), Clark now contends that he should receive no further
incarceration at all (amounting to a sentence of about 7.5 years), based on his medical conditions
and his confinement conditions. Clark emphasizes his mental health, prior COVID-19 infection,
fractured pelvis, skin rashes, and transfer from a rehabilitation center to the MDC. The
Government recognizes that Clark has experienced health struggles and challenges in confinement.
However, for several reasons, Clark’s arguments do not come close to meriting a sentence below
the Stipulated Guidelines Sentence.
First, it bears noting that Clark’s recitation of his pre-existing health conditions has
changed dramatically between his commission of the offense and during his time in custody. In a
chat on or about June 22, 2012, Clark told Ulbricht that he suffers from “MS”, i.e., multiple
sclerosis, and stated that he only had a “couple more years to live.” At that time, Clark wrote to
Ulbricht, “I want you to know I’ve learned a lot from you, and you’ve inspired me. I say that
because I don’t want to sound condescending when I say I have a lot to teach you in a short time.
My health won’t give me more than a couple more years, and there’s decades ahead.” Upon his
arrest on December 4, 2015, Clark similarly informed officers from the Department of Homeland
Security that he was suffering from MS and ALS, as reflected on his signed Miranda waiver form.
See Ex. B. But afterwards, following numerous medical examinations in custody, Clark appears
to have entirely dropped that health claim. Indeed, none of his sentencing submissions or the PSR
mentions in any way that Clark has ever been afflicted by ALS or MS, serious diseases as to which
there is no cure. Without minimizing any of the health issues reported in his BOP medical records,
it is clear that, at a minimum, Clark has made inconsistent statements about core health concerns
that raise serious questions about his veracity in interpreting or reporting his health conditions.
Second, to the extent any of Clark’s current health complaints are connected to any of his
pre-existing conditions, it bears noting that those conditions did not prevent Clark from engaging
in a breathtaking, sophisticated, harmful, unprecedented, violent, obstructive offense. Those
conditions should not now permit him to escape punishment for his conduct.
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Third, the Government generally took Clark’s age and health into account in extending a
plea offer that capped his exposure at 20 years’ imprisonment, where the Guidelines range would
otherwise have been life imprisonment. (Indeed, Clark’s partner in crime, Ross Ulbricht—a 31-
year-old first time offender—was sentenced to life imprisonment for his creation and operation of
Silk Road.) In exchange for Clark’s agreement to take responsibility for his full role in Silk Road,
including enhancements for his participation in the murder-for-hire plot, and in consideration of
his health conditions, the Government made a plea offer that significantly limited Clark’s
exposure. Clark, who is 61 years old, would potentially be eligible for release in less than ten
years with a 240-month sentence, assuming good time credit. Any sentence below the Stipulated
Guidelines Sentence, however, would fail to serve the essential sentencing goals of ensuring that
the sentence reflects the nature, circumstances, and seriousness of the offense; protects the public
from further crimes of the defendant; promotes respect for the law; and affords deterrence.
Fourth, Clark has previously raised a number of these arguments, and as to several, the
Government has already addressed and refuted them. See, e.g., Dkt. 153 (Gov’t Letter dated July
29, 2022) (responding to Clark’s allegations about the conditions of confinement at two
rehabilitation facilities); Gov’t Letter dated Dec. 28, 2022 (responding to Clark’s allegations about
his transfer from a nursing home back to the MDC). The Government’s letters made clear, among
other things, that Clark verbally abused guards and medical staff; became physical with guards;
disobeyed directives; and may have attempted to escape. See, e.g., Dkt. 153, pp. 4-5. A
representative of one medical facility (which housed Clark) noted, in part, that in their view, Clark
was very smart, manipulative, and entitled. This representative further noted that Clark was
afforded the opportunity to do physical and occupational therapy five days per week, but refused
therapy “quite often.” This representative added that, at a certain point, Clark claimed he could
not walk, yet staff observed him walking without an assistive device. Id. at 5. This representative’s
insights cast doubt on the veracity of Clark’s assertions and complaints, and suggest that Clark
continues to view the truth the same way that he did in his extradition hearing in Thailand.
But even if all of Clark’s assertions and complaints were true, it would not merit a sentence
below 240 months in this particular case. As a preliminary matter, Clark presents no evidence that
the BOP lacks facilities that could handle his continued physical rehabilitation from his hip
fracture, treatment for his skin rashes, and his other ailments. To the contrary, Clark has identified
a specific Federal Medical Center in Butner, North Carolina that he requests to be designated to
receive physical therapy for his hip. (PSR ¶ 156). Next, as discussed above, this was a truly
remarkable offense meriting a commensurate punishment. And finally, courts routinely have
rejected arguments similar to Clark’s in cases, like this one, involving sustained criminal conduct
that results in significant harm.6 For instance, in United States v. Murphy, 11 Cr. 137 (C.D. Cal.),
6 See, e.g., United States v. Lewis, 594 F.3d 1270, 1275-78 (10th Cir. 2010) (affirming 330-year
sentence for fraud offenses and upholding district court’s rejection of a 72-year old defendant’s
request for a variance based upon age and health); United States v. Dowd, 451 F.3d 1244, 1256-
57 (11th Cir. 2006) (rejecting the defendant’s argument that his 305-month sentence was
unreasonable because he was 65 years old); United States v. Kerns, 336 F. App’x 916, 918-19
(11th Cir. 2009) (rejecting the defendant’s argument that his 240-month sentence for fraud
offenses was a de facto life sentence and noting that “the district court weighed [the defendant’s]
advanced age against the seriousness of his offense and the need to protect the public from fraud”);
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Judge David Carter explained the vital importance of deterrence, and the perception of equal
justice, when imposing a 97-month sentence on a 70-year-old white-collar defendant who had
carried out a $2.9 million investment fraud scheme:
I don’t think a Court can allow you or somebody in a similar position to walk
away from a sentencing, literally taking a round figure of 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 years,
whatever that sentence is, and multiply that into a $3 million loss and, basically,
make $300,000 a year on fraudulent activities. There, the government has a huge
argument that I think the Courts need to pay attention to; and that is, not only you,
but what’s the deterrent value for people reading, hearing, or taking into account
this kind of conduct?
Is it that because we’re older we can go out and commit these crimes, but
somebody in the 40’s gets 10 years? Somebody in their 70’s get 41 months? I
don’t think so. I think you’re just as accountable as a person who’s 40 or 50.
And maybe the argument could be made, with our life experiences—because I’m
in the same age range as you—maybe just as accountable for our conduct after a
lifetime of living and learning what’s appropriate, ethical and right.
(United States v. Murphy, No. 11 Cr. 137 (C.D. Cal. Aug. 2, 2013), Dkt. 99 (Sentencing
Transcript), pp. 85-86). Judge Lewis Kaplan made similar observations in United States v.
Emanuel Cohen, 15 Cr. 396 (LAK), a case involving a 73-year-old, infirm white-collar defendant:
With people in this age bracket, it is a very small number, really, from this social
and economic bracket of society who can’t make a medical case for avoiding
incarceration of some level of persuasiveness or another. Sentences in cases like
this, therefore, have to be cognizant of the need for people in general who, were
they informed of the circumstances, to say well, this individual is going to pay a
price for the crime, maybe not the same price that the individual would pay if he
was a healthy 48-year old, but a serious price. There has got to be a perception
that justice is done, that people get their just desserts, and that requires judges to
impose sentences in some cases that if the sentences were considered only from
the perspective of the defendant being sentenced might be harsher, more severe
than might seem appropriate.
United States v. Moses, 337 F. App’x 443 (6th Cir. 2009) (affirming 210-month sentence for 71-
year-old defendant suffering from coronary artery disease, removal of her colon, loss of feeling in
her legs due to nerve damage, atrial fibrillation, frail kidneys, and an auto-immune disorder on
conviction for a fraud that involved, inter alia, a $15 million loss, the use of false statements and
documents, and the use of shell companies to conceal the fraud); United States v. Credidio, 19 Cr.
111 (PAE) (rejecting 72-year-old defendant’s request, based in part on age and health issues, for
non-custodial sentence, and instead sentencing defendant to a top-of-the-Guidelines sentence in a
nonviolent fraud case involving approximately $415,000 in losses).
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United States District Judge
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(United States v. Cohen, No. 15 Cr. 396 (LAK) (S.D.N.Y. Sept. 29, 2016), Dkt. 88 (Sentencing
Transcript), p. 22). Finally, in United States v. Nancy Credidio, 19 Cr. 111 (PAE), a non-violent
fraud case involving a 72-year-old defendant with various health issues, Judge Paul Engelmayer
explained why the defendant’s age did not favor lenience:
Second, you are today a mature adult. You are age 72. Many defendants
whom I sentence committed crimes in their late teens or early twenties; and their
counsel often argue to me that their client was still young and growing up and still
in the process of maturing and gaining wisdom. There’s often much wisdom to that,
and often I’m persuaded by such arguments to impose a lower sentence than I
otherwise would, had the . . . identical crime been committed by a fully grown adult.
That argument, needless to say, is not available to you at all, Ms. Credidio.
You were plenty old enough at the time of these crimes to know better and to control
whatever impulses to fraud you may have had. You are, if anything, at an age when
one might have expected you to slow down rather than intensify your criminal
conduct.
(United States v. Credidio, No. 19 Cr. 111 (PAE) (S.D.N.Y. Feb. 7, 2020), Dkt. 59 (Sentencing
Transcript), pp. 51-52). These judges’ observations ring with even stronger force here, where—
unlike the non-violent fraud defendants discussed above—Clark faces sentencing at only 61 years
of age for an offense that involved, among other misconduct, urging a murder-for-hire in order to
protect a massive drug empire.
* * *
In summary, Clark’s arguments in favor of leniency pale in comparison to the severity of
his offense, the duration of his offense, his pivotal roles in the offense, his use of violence, his use
of threats, and his obstruction of justice. Accordingly, for these reasons and those in our prior
sentencing letters, the Government respectfully submits that the Stipulated Guidelines Sentence is
fair and appropriate in this case.
Respectfully submitted,
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney
Southern District of New York
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 9:22 pm

by rSin

damn.

do we know anything about the disposition of the court hes appearing in?

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:38 am

by Munchy

Dear Judge Stein:
I write as counsel to Roger Clark to respectfully request that the sentencing hearing in
this matter be adjourned for approximately three weeks, from June 26 to a date on or after July
19 to give Mr. Clark additional time to compose his personal letter to the Court. Given the
previous adjournments that the Court has granted, this will be the final such application. The
government (A.U.S.A. Michael Neff) consents.
At the status conference held on March 7, 2023, Mr. Clark withdrew his pro se status and
requested to be represented by undersigned counsel. Since that time he has consistently
communicated his strong desire to supplement my submission with a personally authored
submission of his own in which he intends to address information highly relevant to the Court’s
consideration of the section 3553(a) factors. Specifically, Mr. Clark will write about the most
traumatic aspects of his incarceration, including details of his victimization while detained in
Thailand which he has been unable to share with counsel during legal meetings but that he
believes he can describe in a writing to the Court. Due to the almost continuous lockdowns at the MEMO ENDORSED
MDC and the attendant lack of access to computers Mr. Clark has made only minimal progress
and therefore makes this request for additional time.
Counsel’s revised sentencing memorandum was filed on May 22 (ECF No. 174) and the
government’s sentencing letter on May 27 (ECF No. 176). Concurrent with this letter, I am filing
five letters of support that I have received from Mr. Clark’s family member’s and friends. I do
not anticipate any further submissions by counsel.
Thank you for your consideration of this application.
Respectfully yours,
Evan L. Lipton
Attorney for Roger Clark
Cc: Gov’t counselThe sentencing is adjourned to July 11, 2023, at 10:00 a.m. The defendant’s submission
addressed to the conditions of confinement in Thailand may be handwritten if that will
assist defendant. No further adjournments.
SO ORDERED
Dated: New York, New York
June 21, 2023

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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:16 pm

by Munchy

Hon. Sidney H. Stein
June 20, 2023
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June 20, 2023
BY ECF
Hon. Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark,
Dear Judge Stein:
Enclosed please find reference letters written by friends and family members of Roger
Clark for consideration in his sentencing proceeding. The following letters are enclosed: (1)
Elizabeth Clark; (2) Kayla Chan; (3) Aaron Higgs; (4) Neil Hopkins; and (5) Tannis Wing.
Respectfully yours,
Evan L. Lipton
Attorney for Roger Clark

May 21, 2023
Re: Mr. Roger Clark
To: The Honorable Judge Stein
Your Honor,
My name is Elizabeth Clark, and I have raised two kids who are now in their 30s. They are productive
adults and wonderful parents, and I also enjoy six grandchildren. I have been a self-employed writer/
editor turned business coach for the past 25 years. I earned a B.A. (English/Psychology) and consistently
upgrade my skills in business, marketing, and personal development. At this point, I work very part-time
and am essentially retired, but take on the odd editing or coaching project. I am slowly spending more
time on art and will soon shift direction back to volunteer work. I’ve done much volunteer work in my life
with my last stint (which ended with Covid-19) being a 7-year commitment.
I have known Roger his whole life. I am proud to say that he is my younger brother by two years. I
understand he pled guilty to the charge of Conspiracy to Distribute Narcotics, and I acknowledge this is a
very serious charge. Sadly, he is a good man who made poor decisions and erred significantly. Because
he has always been a great friend, family member, supportive brother, and a good man, I am happy to
write a letter of reference for Roger. I’d like you to see who he is in real life.
Roger has always been one to go the extra mile and it comes easily to him. For example:
— Even as a kid, when he shovelled our driveway and sidewalks, he would always shovel at least 10 feet
of snow off of our two neighbors’ sidewalk on each side of our house. (Shovelling an extra foot or two of
snow is the neighborly thing to do; for a kid to shovel an extra 20 feet is indeed unusual.)
— When we had guests over (family friends) and the mother asked the grade-12 daughter if she had
done her math homework, she replied that she didn’t know how. Roger immediately went over to her
and patiently explained how to work out the math problems.
— When we were picking up a rental car in our city the guy at the counter mentioned his frustration with
the printer and said they had been waiting for someone to fix it, Roger said something like, “I can do that
right now, if you like” and he fixed it then and there.
The above “anecdotes” I just shared are typical of Roger’s behavior and his willingness to help people.
Roger has always been a hard working, happy, and healthy man who is very excited about life. Whenever
our family would visit family friends or relatives, they were happy to see us, but their faces would light
up when they saw Roger. He brings a certain energy to gatherings, for sure.
We are lucky that my selfless brother Roger has always been there for us. In approximately 2008, I
purchased my first brand new raised bungalow, a corner house on a relatively large lot. Time ticked by,
and the deadline for me to have the sod laid nearly ticked by, too (or I would lose a significant deposit
from the builder). So, I phoned Roger and asked him to help out, but he no longer lived a neighborhood
over from me. In fact, he flew from the U.K. to Canada and “we” sodded my lawn. We, meaning, he—in
the heat of the summer—did the sodding and every hour or so, I would bring him water, pop, and a
snack. (Note that visiting his mother, family, and friends were also big priorities on that trip, as always.)
Although I use computers a lot, I have learned very few trouble-shooting skills. Roger looked after my
computer and printers regularly; and when I had a crisis, he quickly and confidently got it running
tickety-boo. I not only appreciated that he got it running, but also appreciated that he did it calmly and
with such a good attitude. He has expertise with computers and was truly happy to help me out.
In addition to Roger being a good brother to me, I witnessed him being a generous and loyal son to our
late parents, treating our parents very well, both in their younger years and as they aged. For at least
two winters, he drove their old motorhome to a much warmer climate—a distance of well over 700
miles—so my parents could follow him and drive together in a smaller vehicle (as my mother did not
drive). That way my parents could park their motorhome for a few months and use the car for milk,
groceries, doctor, and hospital visits. My brother would then fly back home. A few months later when
warmer weather arrived, he would complete the same trip in reverse for them, so they could come
home safely. Our dad was in the beginning stages of ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease) and my parents were
always excited (and greatly relieved!) that Roger would travel with them.
With our dad’s ALS, the first thing to go was his voice. His words became so slurred that we could not
understand his speech. Not surprisingly, Roger purchased the computer parts and build him a voice
synthesizer, to ensure our dad had a voice and could communicate to family, friends, and medical staff.
To say my dad was pleased with his new voice would be an understatement.
Throughout all these times, I was raising two healthy and energetic children (boy/girl), and I was happy
to have Roger around, visiting often, helping out, taking the kids out on occasion, and enjoying family
time.
My brother Roger and I have kept in touch almost all of our lives. I want to preface the following
comments by acknowledging that prison is not meant to be a place to be pampered. Nonetheless… as a
result of his offense, my brother has been imprisoned in two countries (Thailand and U.S.A.), has been
tortured (e.g., toenails ripped out with vice grips), starved until he was down to about a ridiculous 93 lbs,
fell off his bunk and felt like he was near death as he lay there waiting for help, and suffered severe and
debilitating withdrawal symptoms when regularly prescribed medications were suddenly no longer
available. Hearing these things from Roger was soul crushing, to say the least.
My brother was very frustrated the many times his clothes, books, and papers (especially court papers
he was working on) were stolen. He was also frustrated that his constant skin problems were ignored,
knowing how dangerous that is (skin is the first line of defense for germs). The skin problems also
accounted for much lost sleep, which meant difficulty functioning the next day. In addition to all this, he
felt terrified when he was first in the hospital and was held incommunicado, not allowed contact with
any family, lawyers, consulate—or even a minister or priest. One nightmare can be frightening enough,
but Roger shares that he constantly wakes up terrified, having flashbacks as he relives witnessing
jailhouse sexual assaults in Thailand.
Although Roger is usually a positive man; these prison occurrences have taken their tole. During his
eight years of imprisonment, he has gone from strong, happy, and healthy, man who is excited about life
to a man who has lost his health—and losing one’s health is no small matter. He has also lost his
strength. He lives with depression and has PTSD.
Your Honor, thank you for reading this, and I request that you take this letter into consideration during
sentencing. Despite this serious charge, I am confident that Roger has shifted directions and will
henceforth use his computer skills and energy for good. Because he is a hard working and determined
man, I believe he can find or create legitimate, meaningful, and productive work until he retires. I believe
in my brother, and I am willing to support him the best I can now and upon release. He cares deeply
about his family, and his actions over the years have shown it. We also care deeply about him, and he is
much missed by his wife and his whole family.
Respectfully,
______________________________
Elizabeth Clark

THERE ARE 5 MORE TESTIMONIALS WHICH WON'T ALL COPY, PLEASE READ THEM ALSO ON PAGES 4 - 10 OF THE PDF HERE:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .178.1.pdf
includes some interesting details about the VJ restaurant

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:10 pm

by Jesús Malverde

In a weird footnote to this whole saga, the owners of Dublin's Michelin-starred restaurant "Variety Jones" have opened a new venue. Name? "Mongoose". Coincidence? I think not. I wonder if they envision a chain of Mongooses looking ahead?

https://lovindublin.com/food-drink/vari ... s-mongoose

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:08 pm

by Munchy

that was mentioned in the testimonials linked just above your post. see page 5, Aaron Higgs
I have to wonder if naming the Koh Chang restaurant Variety Jones may have led to his capture

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:15 pm

by Jesús Malverde

Couldn't find it.

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 2:42 pm

by Munchy

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:10 pm

by dill786

so POM's handle on silk road was " variety Jones" Now there is a restaurant, called "Mongoose" which is on Thomas St, POM's middle name!?

While Variety Jones will be able to stretch their limbs at the new venue, their original home next door at 78 Thomas Street will remain open under the new name Mongoose.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:25 am

by Munchy

[Type text]
July 5, 2023
BY ECF AND EMAIL
The Honorable Sidney H. Stein
United States District Judge
Southern District of New York
500 Pearl Street
Daniel Patrick Moynihan U.S. Courthouse
New York, New York 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark, S2 15 Cr. 866 (SHS)
Dear Judge Stein:
In advance of sentencing of defendant Roger Thomas Clark—which is scheduled for July
11, 2023, at 10:00 a.m.—the Government respectfully submits this brief supplemental letter with
information from the federal Bureau of Prisons (“BOP”). The BOP has reviewed Clark’s medical
conditions, as outlined in both the Final Revised Presentence Report dated November 2, 2022 (Dkt.
159) and Clark’s supplemental sentencing letter dated May 22, 2023 (Dkt. 174). The BOP has
confirmed that it is well-equipped to handle and address these conditions. See Ex. 1, p. 3 (July 5,
2023 letter from Dr. Diane Sommer, Regional Medical Director for the Northeast Region of the
Federal Bureau of Prisons (“Based on the information provided to me and my knowledge of the
BOP’s medical resources, the BOP will be able to provide appropriate care for Mr. Clark should
he be sentenced to a term of incarceration and committed to the custody of the BOP.”)).1
Respectfully submitted,
DAMIAN WILLIAMS
United States Attorney
Southern District of New York
By: /s/
Michael D. Neff / Vladislav Vainberg
Assistant United States Attorneys
cc: Evan L. Lipton, Esq. (by ECF and email)
1 Because the defense’s supplemental sentencing letter openly discusses Clark’s medical
conditions in a public filing (see, e.g., Dkt. 174-1, p. 13), the Government does not believe there
is a basis, at this point, to redact these conditions in the BOP’s attached letter.
The Silvio J. Mollo Building
One Saint Andrew’s Plaza
New York, New York 10007
U.S. Department of Justice
United States Attorney
Southern District of New York
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180 Filed 07/05/23 Page 1 of 1

EXHIBIT 1
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180-1 Filed 07/05/23 Page 1 of 6
U.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Prisons
Northeast Regional Office
VIA E-MAIL
U.S. Custom House
2nd & Chestnut Streets, 7 th Floor
Philadelphia, PA 19106
July 5, 2023
Vladislav Vainberg
Assistant United States Attorney
United States Attorney’s Office
Southern District of New York
One Saint Andrew’s Plaza
New York, NY 10007
Re: United States v. Roger Thomas Clark
Case No. 15 Cr. 866 (SHS) (S.D.N.Y.)
Dear Mr. Vainberg:
Thank you for your recent inquiry concerning the Federal Bureau
of Prisons’ (BOP) ability to provide adequate health care for federal
prisoners with significant, acute, or chronic medical conditions.
Specifically, you have asked whether, based on the available
information, the BOP can provide the necessary and appropriate care
for Mr. Roger Clark should he be sentenced to a term of incarceration
in a federal correctional facility.
I am aware of Mr. Clark’s medical conditions as delineated in the
Presentence Investigation Report and defense counsel’s sentencing
submission. The records indicate Mr. Clark suffers, or has recently
suffered, from a hip fracture, rash, depression, and other mental
health issues.
The BOP has implemented a medical care level classification
system. The care level classification system is intended to enhance
the BOP’s ability to manage inmate health care effectively by matching
inmates with those institutions that can best meet their medical
needs, while at the same time achieving optimal use of the BOP’s
health care resources.
If committed to the custody of the BOP, Mr. Clark may be reviewed
for designation by the BOP Office of Medical Designations and
Transfers. At that time, a determination would be made as to the
appropriate facility, either a Federal Medical Center or a general
population institution, in which to designate Mr. Clark.
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180-1 Filed 07/05/23 Page 2 of 6
Vladislav Vainberg
U.S. Attorney’s Office S.D.N.Y.
July 5, 2023
Page 2
Federal Medical Centers are prisons that provide in-patient care
to seriously ill inmates. The BOP has seven of these centers
throughout the United States, including FMC Carswell which houses
female offenders. Besides providing chronic care for seriously ill
inmates, these medical centers also provide services such as
chemotherapy, pain management clinics, dialysis, and hospice care for
terminally ill inmates. Each medical center also has a long-term unit
for inmates requiring 24-hour nursing care.
BOP institutions are accredited by the Joint Commission on
Accreditation for Health Care Organizations, which sets the medical,
surgical, and psychiatric standards for hospitals nationwide.
Additionally, each BOP institution contracts with medical centers in
the local vicinity to provide specialized medical treatment. These
medical centers offer the BOP a wide range of trained specialists and
diagnostic tools such as MRIs and CT Scans. If needed, the BOP would
be able to provide Mr. Clark with medical specialists through the
BOP’s contractual agreements. While it is true many of these
specialists are not located inside the institution, the BOP has
procedures in place to transport inmates to and from local hospitals
and other contracted medical centers so that inmates can receive
appropriate and necessary care. Further, when medical emergencies and
the need for surgical procedures arise, each institution has
procedures in place that instruct health services and/or correctional
staff on how to contact local emergency medical services for
transportation to a local medical center.
Every BOP facility, regardless of care level, has a Health
Services Department, typically staffed with a physician(s) and several
mid-level providers, such as physician assistants and nurse
practitioners, along with technical and administrative staff. Most
Health Services Departments conduct “sick-call” four or more days per
week for the entire inmate population.
All inmates entering our facilities are thoroughly screened by
medical staff for physical and mental health conditions. They are
monitored thereafter through follow-up appointments and chronic care
clinics, as necessary. A medical plan of action for an inmate includes
a thorough and timely history and physical exam to ascertain the
mental health and medical status of each inmate upon their arrival to
a BOP facility. Following this screening, the treating Clinical
Director and Chief Psychologist may formulate a plan that addresses
his/her medical, mental health and activities of daily living. This
plan may include assessment of the daily functioning, i.e., handicap
living quarters, need for a bottom bunk, ambulatory aides or bracing,
inmate companion for assistance of activities of daily living,
pharmacy line oversight, psychological care and therapies, specialty
consultations, etc.
Every general population institution runs a number of chronic
care clinics whose purpose it is to provide routinely scheduled
quality care to medically ill inmates, as well as to stay cognizant of
any changes in medical conditions that may arise. Inmates enrolled in
chronic care clinics are seen as often as medically necessary. If
Mr. Clark is designated to a general population institution, it is
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180-1 Filed 07/05/23 Page 3 of 6
Vladislav Vainberg
U.S. Attorney’s Office S.D.N.Y.
July 5, 2023
Page 3
likely he would be assigned to the Orthopedic, Mental Health, and
General Chronic Care Clinics. If incarcerated, it would be helpful if
Mr. Clark provides medical records to his treating physician at the
institution in order for the physician to obtain a full medical
history.
The BOP has an extensive National Formulary of medications
approved for inmate use. If Mr. Clark is prescribed medications that
are not explicitly on the Formulary, substantially similar equivalents
would be prescribed. Finally, if a substantially similar equivalent is
not available, a non-Formulary request can be made by his treating
clinician to the BOP’s Central Office in Washington, D.C. Non-
formulary requests can usually be accomplished within 36 hours of the
clinician’s request. If Mr. Clark is incarcerated, he should bring all
current medications with him upon self-surrendering to his designated
facility. The medications will then be reconciled with medications
from the National Formulary.
Based on the information provided to me and my knowledge of the
BOP’s medical resources, the BOP will be able to provide appropriate
care for Mr. Clark should he be sentenced to a term of incarceration
and committed to the custody of the BOP. For your convenience, I have
attached a general outline to explain how the BOP designates prisoners
with medical illnesses and to describe the medical services available
within the BOP.
Sincerely,
Diane Sommer, M.D.
Regional Medical Director
Northeast Region
Enclosure
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180-1 Filed 07/05/23 Page 4 of 6
OUTLINE OF BUREAU OF PRISONS CARE LEVELS AND EXAMPLES
There are four CARE Levels in the Bureau of Prisons (BOP) medical
CARE Level classification system. After initial designation and
provisional care level assignment by the Designation and Sentence
Computation Center (DSCC), non-provisional CARE Levels are
determined by BOP clinicians. These assignments depend on
treatment modalities and inmate functionality in addition to
diagnostic categories such as cancer, diabetes, HIV, hepatitis.
Q. Who are CARE Level 1 inmates and who designates them?
• Inmates are generally healthy, but may have limited medical
needs that can be easily managed by clinician evaluations
every six months; and
• Inmates are less than 70 years of age.
• CARE Level 1 designations are made by the DSCC.
• Examples: mild asthma, diet-controlled diabetes, stable HIV
patients not requiring medications.
Q. Who are CARE Level 2 inmates and who designates them?
• Inmates are stable outpatients who require clinician
evaluation every 1 - 6 months.
• Can be managed in chronic care clinics, including for mental
health issues.
• Enhanced medical resources may be required from time to
time, but are not regularly necessary.
• CARE Level 2 designations are made by the DSCC.
• Examples: medication-controlled diabetes, epilepsy, or
emphysema.
Q. Who are CARE Level 3 inmates and who designates them?
• Inmates are fragile outpatients who require frequent
clinical contacts to prevent hospitalization for
catastrophic events.
• May require some assistance with activities of daily living,
but do not need daily nursing care.
• Inmate companions may be used to provide assistance.
• Stabilization of medical or mental health conditions may
require periodic hospitalization.
• Examples: cancer in remission less than a year, advanced
HIV disease, severe mental illness in remission on
medication, severe congestive heart failure, end-stage liver
disease.
• Designation of CARE Level 3 inmates is made by the BOP’s
Office of Medical Designation and Transportation in
Washington, D.C.
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180-1 Filed 07/05/23 Page 5 of 6
Q. Who are CARE Level 4 inmates and who designates them?
• Inmates require services available only at an MRC (which
provide significantly enhanced medical services and limited
in-patient care).
• May need daily nursing care.
• Functioning may be severely impaired and requires 24-hour
skilled nursing care or nursing assistance.
• Examples: cancer on active treatment, dialysis,
quadriplegia, stroke or head injury patients, major surgical
patients, acute psychiatric illness requiring inpatient
treatment, high-risk pregnancy.
• Designation of CARE Level 4 inmates is made by the BOP’s
Office of Medical Designation and Transportation in
Washington, D.C.
Q. When is the CARE Level classification process going to be
implemented?
A. It is currently in use.
Q. What can I, as a federal judge, do in the sentencing process
to assist in the designations process?
• Until an inmate comes into the BOP and is evaluated by a
health care provider, the Presentence Report (PSR) is the
BOP’s principal resource for initially assessing medical
conditions.
• The Court can assist the BOP in this process by requesting
that the PSR contain complete and current information
regarding the medical and mental health status of the inmate
(for example, new or additional information that may be
available from the local jail or the defendant’s personal
physician). In order to facilitate appropriate Care Level
designation, the Court should recommend that all current
medical information be forwarded to the BOP at the time of
sentencing.
Q. Whom should the judges contact concerning designations for
defendants from their courts?
• The first point of contact within the BOP for defendants who
do not have significant medical or mental health conditions
should be the DSCC.
Case 1:15-cr-00866-SHS Document 180-1 Filed 07/05/23 Page 6 of 6

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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 7:32 pm

by roller24

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... 137c&ei=24

ilk Road was once synonymous with online “dark web” criminal activity, and today, its number two organizer, Roger Thomas Clark, aka Variety Jones, was sentenced to 20 years. Clark’s sentence was, according to Wired, the maximum he could have faced as part of his plea deal.

Clark was extradited to the US from Thailand almost five years ago and, before that, had served almost three years in detention in Thailand. According to the US Attorney’s Office of New York’s Southern District, he was accused of “conspiring to distribute massive quantities of narcotics.” At the time of extradition, Clark gloated that there was no hard evidence against him and that being sent to the US would be “an impossible circumstance.”

Authorities said Clark served as Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht’s advisor across the board when it came to the internet drug marketplace’s operations and that he goaded Ulbricht to hire a hitman to murder someone for $80,000. In addition to his sentencing in the US, the 61-year-old Clark was sentenced to “three years of supervised release” and surrendered more than $1.6 million.

Ulbricht described Clark as a “real mentor” to him, as Clark helped beef up and run the site’s backend operations and worked to thwart efforts by law enforcement to shut down the site. Ulbricht was given a life sentence without parole.

Silk Road was active from February 2011 until it was shut down in October 2013.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:57 pm

by Munchy

so he should get 5 or 8 years time-served, not sure if the 3 years in Thailand would count or not,
and then a standard percentage off for good behavior could turn out to be less than 10 years from now?

WIRED
Silk Road’s Second-in-Command Gets 20 Years in Prison

Andy Greenberg
Jul 11, 2023 2:31 PM
Silk Road’s Second-in-Command Gets 20 Years in Prison
Roger Thomas Clark, also known as Variety Jones, will spend much of the rest of his life in prison for his key role in building the world’s first dark-web drug market.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan US District Court for the Southern District of New York Courthouse
The Daniel Patrick Moynihan US District Court for the Southern District of New York Courthouse in New York City.Bloomberg

Nearly ten years ago, the sprawling dark-web drug market known as the Silk Road was torn offline in a law enforcement operation coordinated by the FBI, whose agents arrested the black market's boss, Ross Ulbricht, in a San Francisco library. It would take two years for Ulbricht's second-in-command—an elusive figure known as Variety Jones—to be tracked down and arrested in Thailand. Today, a decade after the Silk Road's demise, Clark has been sentenced to join his former boss in federal prison.

In a Manhattan courtroom on Tuesday, Roger Thomas Clark—also known by his online handles including Variety Jones, Cimon, and Plural of Mongoose—was sentenced to 20 years behind bars for his role in building and running Silk Road. Clark, a 62-year-old Canadian national, will now likely spend much of the rest of his life incarcerated for helping to pioneer the anonymous, cryptocurrency-based model for online illegal sales of drugs and other contraband that still persists on the dark web today. The sentence is the maximum Clark faced in accordance with the plea agreement he made with prosecutors.

Clark “misguidedly turned his belief that drugs should be legal into material assistance for a criminal enterprise,” Judge Sidney Stein said in his sentencing statement. “These beliefs crossed over into patently illegal behavior.”

Stein added that Clark was “clear-eyed and intentional” in his work as Ulbricht's “right-hand man” in the Silk Road's operations. “The sentence must reflect the vast criminal enterprise of which he was a leader,” Stein said.

In his own statement, Clark said that his work on the Silk Road had always been motivated by his political belief that drugs should be legalized, and the hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of dark-web drug sales he helped to facilitate were safer than drug deals that took place in the physical world. He argued in his sentencing statement that the site helped reduce violence in the drug trade, and that the Silk Road's ratings and reviews prevented the sale of adulterated drugs that would have caused greater harm.

“I just kept preaching to myself ‘harm reduction.’ That's how I got to sleep at night,” Clark told the judge, standing before a sparse audience in the courtoom looking thin and gaunt in baggy khaki clothes. “I'm proud and ashamed at the same time.”

Clark was, as prosecutors noted in their memo arguing for the two-decade sentence, more than a lieutenant on the Silk Road. He served as the site's security consultant, PR adviser, and even a kind of executive coach and friend to the site's boss, Ulbricht. Clark, who Ulbricht initially encountered as a marijuana seeds dealer on the market, was “the biggest and strongest-willed character I had met through the site thus far,” Ulbricht wrote in his journal.

“He has advised me on many technical aspect of what we are doing, helped me speed up the site and squeeze more out of my current servers," Ulbricht wrote. “He also has helped me better interact with the community around Silk Road, delivering proclamations, handling troublesome characters, running a sale, changing my name, devising rules, and on and on. He also helped me get my head straight regarding legal protection, cover stories, devising a will, finding a successor, and so on. He’s been a real mentor.”

Clark was pivotal in key moments of the Silk Road’s history—including a particularly dark incident when he and Ulbricht resorted to violence, which loomed large in Clark’s sentencing. Clark played a crucial role in convincing Ulbricht that it was necessary to commission the murder of one of his employees who he believed had betrayed him and stolen bitcoins from the market. “At what point in time do we decide we’ve had enough of someones shit and terminate them?” Clark wrote to Ulbricht at one point following the discovery of the theft, as recorded in chat logs that were recovered from Ulbricht's computer after his arrest. “We’re playing with big money with serious people, and that’s the world they live in.”

After Ulbricht agreed to have the staffer killed—in a bizarre turn, his death was instead faked by US federal agents investigating the Silk Road—Clark told Ulbricht that he had made the right move. "If you had balked, I would have seriously re-considered our relationship," he wrote. “We’re playing for keeps, this just drives it home. I’m perfectly comfortable with the decision, and I’ll sleep like a lamb tonight, and every night hereafter.”

Countering Clark's claims of interest in “harm reduction,” assistant US attorney Michael Neff pointed to those comments as evidence of Clark's “complete disregard for human life,” as he put it in Tuesday's sentencing hearing. For Clark, “the question of whether to end another man's life was simple and stress-free,” Neff told the judge in the prosecution's sentencing statement.

In his own remarks, Clark didn't comment on that murder-for-hire conversation—which he at one point claimed had been fabricated by Ulbricht but later conceded was real. Instead, he focused on his benevolent intentions in running the Silk Road, which he argued had saved thousands of lives through its prevention of overdoses from adulterated drugs. At the same time, he acknowledged that at least six people named by prosecutors had in fact overdosed and died from Silk Road narcotics.

“If the Silk Road hadn't existed, would those people be alive today? Probably yes,” Clark said. “Did we save thousands of lives? Yes, but we took some too.”

He compared his actions to the so-called “trolley problem” thought experiment in ethical philosophy, in which someone must choose which track a train will take when people are tied to both tracks. “It's not Philosophy 101 for me,” he told the judge. “I pulled the switch.”

Clark and his defense attorney also spent much of their sentencing statements describing the abysmal conditions of his detention over the past several years in Thailand and then a New York jail. His attorney told the court he was traumatized by witnessing torture and sexual assault in a Thai jail, was denied basic health care, and arrived in the US weighing just 93 pounds. At the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, Clark described corruption and neglect, which led to his falling from his bunk while experiencing vertigo in 2021, breaking his pelvis, and being left to suffer overnight despite his pleas for help.

Judge Stein acknowledged those years of suffering and mistreatment but concluded that he was “not persuaded they afford a substantial reduction” in Clark's sentence.

Separately, Clark made strange new claims in his statement—without evidence—that he had spent $800,000 of Silk Road’s revenue to buy hacking tools that could be used to de-anonymize users of the dark web engaged in child sexual exploitation and had then provided those tools to the UK and US governments. One Bangkok-based hacker who Clark says sold him a hacking tool, who goes by the handle the Grugq, denied any such sale to WIRED. “I never sold such an exploit and certainly wouldn’t have sold it to him,” the Grugq writes. The judge didn’t appear to factor these unsubstantiated claims into Clark’s sentence, but suggested that he should provide his computer skills to the US government.

Clark's strange story of hacking pedophiles should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt given his long history of apparent misdirection. Prior to his extradition from Thailand, he made claims of a corrupt FBI agent hunting him and secret information he could provide to the Thai government, ostensibly in exchange for his release—claims which were never borne out or mentioned by his defense prior to sentencing.

In his chats with Ulbricht prior to the Silk Road takedown, too, Clark had a tendency to grandiose ideas. At one point he suggested ways that he might rescue Ulbricht from prison should he ever be identified and arrested. “One of the things i’d like us to look at investing in is a helicopter tour company … seriously, with the amount of $ we’re generating, I could hire a small country to come get you.” he wrote. “And remember that one day when your in the exercise yard, I’ll be the dude in the helicopter coming in low and fast, I promise.”

No such rescue operation ever appeared for Ulbricht. And no such salvation appears to be coming for Clark either.

“Everybody take a good look,” Clark said at one point during his sentencing statement, dramatically turning to the courtroom’s small audience. “This is probably the last time you see me before I get killed.”

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:55 am

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

I remember when PoM made me an Admin of ICmag for a few days….good times!

I also remember when I got Munchy with a disguised kill me link at OG….LOL…They (TOG) said I took out 300 accounts with that link.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:10 am

by Prawn Connery

Haha! I remember that!

I kinda regret that I was out of the journalism game when POM got busted and wasn't around when he started posting here again. I only found out after he was jailed in Thailand. Once upon a time I would have been on the first plane to Bangkok to get a story out of him. But life happens and things change.

I hope he gets out in the next few years and gets to spend some of that bitcoin. But then, money's nothing without health.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:34 am

by Jesús Malverde

With people with multiple violent convictions on their rap sheet constantly getting let go because of "lack of space' in the system, keeping someone like RC incarcerated for years seems like an obvious misappropriation of finite resources.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:20 pm

by smokebreaks

Jesús Malverde wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:34 am
With people with multiple violent convictions on their rap sheet constantly getting let go because of "lack of space' in the system, keeping someone like RC incarcerated for years seems like an obvious misappropriation of finite resources.

RC bought a mob lawyer and skipped prison.

Mongoose had told me via email a couple years back now he expected 240 Months.

I didn’t agree since others from Silk Road 2 got far less time, but I guess this time he was actually right.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:23 pm

by Jesús Malverde

I meant RC Roger Clark, not RC Baghdadlian.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:23 pm

by roller24

Prawn Connery wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:10 am
Haha! I remember that!

I kinda regret that I was out of the journalism game when POM got busted and wasn't around when he started posting here again. I only found out after he was jailed in Thailand. Once upon a time I would have been on the first plane to Bangkok to get a story out of him. But life happens and things change.

I hope he gets out in the next few years and gets to spend some of that bitcoin. But then, money's nothing without health.

Bullshit.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:35 am

by Prawn Connery

roller24 wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:23 pm

Prawn Connery wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:10 am
Haha! I remember that!

I kinda regret that I was out of the journalism game when POM got busted and wasn't around when he started posting here again. I only found out after he was jailed in Thailand. Once upon a time I would have been on the first plane to Bangkok to get a story out of him. But life happens and things change.

I hope he gets out in the next few years and gets to spend some of that bitcoin. But then, money's nothing without health.
Bullshit.

Bullshit what? Money's nothing without health? I guess I forget you guys have to pay for your own health care in the US, but where I live you don't need insurance to be admitted to hospital.

What are you going to do with money when you're lying on your deathbed, roller?

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:18 am

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

I don’t think Roller will have that dilemma.

….but you’re wrong, knowing you’ll be able to leave your kids and grandkids a chunk of change when you pass is a good feeling I’m sure and one I aim to reach….an even better feeling is knowing your kids don’t need that chunk because you raised successful kids. I think Roller and myself have already reached that goal.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:58 am

by Prawn Connery

Maybe roller is planning to have his head cryogenically frozen, which is why he needs all that money on his death bed

On a slightly more serious note, we don't have kids. And I never got an inheritance. POM has never mentioned having kids, either, so he was the one I was really referring to.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:17 am

by roller24

I was calling bullshit to the hop on plane comment.
If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass each hop.
I think you should write his prequel. "Prior to Variety"
Everyone knows about his Silk Road activity, but few were privy to his forum prowess.
I garnered hours of grin whenever someone obtained his "undivided attention"

On wealth and health.

Solid Gold Butt Plug wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:18 am
I don’t think Roller will have that dilemma.

….but you’re wrong, knowing you’ll be able to leave your kids and grandkids a chunk of change when you pass is a good feeling I’m sure and one I aim to reach….an even better feeling is knowing your kids don’t need that chunk because you raised successful kids. I think Roller and myself have already reached that goal.

I've made 100000$/yr and 20000$/yr
I was happy both years, as I have never measured my life capital in dollars.
Siring 4 kids has been all the enrichment desired.
I really can't see much else worth achieving that even comes close to the reward of parenting.
Hell, I wasn't even that good at it, and remorse about how much more I could have put forth.

my health is degrading due to years of self indulgence and cigarettes, so my body will be making it's departure soon.
It's some comfort knowing my 4 minions will be here to remember me.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:20 am

by ripper5

Too many people having too many kids. No cookies should be given out for fulfilling child rearing responsibilities. Ya make em, ya raise em.

I celebrate those of us who have cared enough not to take part in the human over population of the earth. Cheers to us!

One day humans will evolve to do away with money entirely. Everything will be held to its actual sustianable value.

It's that or...they'll just keep mindlessly procreating like jack rabbits...
and become extinct. The choice is ours.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:25 am

by ripper5

I always liked Pom. I wish him the best. He will be able to receive mail?

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:30 am

by roller24

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:20 am
Too many people having too many kids. No cookies should be given out for fulfilling child rearing responsibilities. Ya make em, ya raise em.

I celebrate those of us who have cared enough not to take part in the human over population of the earth. Cheers to us!

One day humans will evolve to do away with money entirely. Everything will be held to its actual sustianable value.

It's that or...they'll just keep mindlessly procreating like jack rabbits...
and become extinct. The choice is ours.

ya, stop having kids or we'll go extinct!!!

I've never heard anyone preaching about over population offer to remove themselves from existence, and help save the planet.
All of them however are perfectly fine dictating how others should exist, or not exist.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:45 am

by ripper5

ya, stop having kids or we'll go extinct!!!
I've never heard anyone preaching about over population offer to remove themselves from existence, and help save the planet.

Nobody said anything about killing anyone, just responsible and realistic attitudes towards contraception worldwide without religious interference.

Yes, our current ways are unsustainable and a more disciplined outlook and attitudes on procreating would go a long way towards changing that for the better.

All of them however are perfectly fine dictating how others should exist, or not exist.

We acknowledge when people we disagree with actually exist, and that they have the same rights we do. Imagine that...

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 8:59 am

by ripper5

Remember, us childless single folks paid for all those tax breaks everyone claims for their dependents (children)
I don't mind but, it is a redistribution of my wealth, to those who often times don't even actually really need it. J/s

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:09 am

by roller24

Do you promote celibacy?

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:13 am

by ripper5

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:09 am
Do you promote celibacy?

I support individual responsibility. Celibacy is a personal choice. It's not something others should dictate. Really, who thinks like that?

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:15 am

by ripper5

It's a real rightwing mindset to go "either or," or "all or nothing"...

Sometimes life has shades and levels...

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:33 am

by ripper5

I get it, when a new born person is born into the world, it's the ultimate special moment for the parents, family, & friends, and that's the way it should be.
But when I see folks congratulating someone on their eighth or ninth or tenth kid, I admit it, I don't see that as being responsible. It's wreckless and/or selfish imo.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:43 am

by Prawn Connery

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:09 am
Do you promote celibacy?

Fuck me!

On second thoughts – don't!

Just because you don't know how to use contraception, roller, doesn't mean the rest of us don't.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:48 am

by roller24

so now extinction has shades and levels.

Fucking makes babies. No fucking, no babies.
But you don't want to stop fucking, you just want to stop the baby part.
Contraception isn't exercising individual responsibility, it avoids it.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:51 am

by ripper5

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:48 am
so now extinction has shades and levels.

Fucking makes babies. No fucking, no babies.
But you don't want to stop fucking, you just want to stop the baby part.
Contraception isn't exercising individual responsibility, it avoids it.

Huh?

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:51 am

by Prawn Connery

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:17 am
I was calling bullshit to the hop on plane comment.
If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass each hop.
I think you should write his prequel. "Prior to Variety"
Everyone knows about his Silk Road activity, but few were privy to his forum prowess.
I garnered hours of grin whenever someone obtained his "undivided attention"

You know I used to live in Thailand. It's not that far away. The reason I didn't hop on a plane was, as I explained, because I was being paid to fly the bloody things around the most remote parts of Australia whilst all the PoM drama was unfolding.

Go check my logs – there was a long time starting at the end of 2014 when I didn't even log into this place. For over three years I stopped growing, smoking and playing games on canna forums. Go have a look.

EDIT: OK, I tell a lie. No posts at all in 2014. Sporadic in 2015 with a gap between August 2015 and February 2016, which was when PoM returned to post here. Followed things in 2016. But I was still living in a very remote part of the planet and I didn't leave the country for a number of years after that. Again, unusual for me as I usually fly overseas at least every year or two.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:52 am

by Prawn Connery

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:48 am
so now extinction has shades and levels.

Fucking makes babies. No fucking, no babies.
But you don't want to stop fucking, you just want to stop the baby part.
Contraception isn't exercising individual responsibility, it avoids it.

Butcher Bob wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:06 am

That movie is my bible!

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:08 am

by Prawn Connery

Prawn Connery wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:06 am
Man, roller's only had sex FOUR TIMES in his life!

Does anyone else remember when he posted a pic of his schlong on the internet asking for sex? I do!

Remember that, roller?

That was a low blow. Sorry. But, you know . . . it's just sex.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:16 am

by roller24

Prawn Connery wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:06 am
Man, roller's only had sex FOUR TIMES in his life!

Does anyone else remember when he posted a pic of his schlong on the internet asking for sex? I do!

Remember that, roller?

That wasn't done asking for sex. so your memory is fading.
x3n0 and I were having fun with Salts, she wanted to see who had the most massive cock.

4 times?
lol

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:34 am

by roller24

back to topic:

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:25 am
I always liked Pom. I wish him the best. He will be able to receive mail?

https://www.bop.gov/inmates/communications.jsp#package

ROGER THOMAS CLARK
Register Number: 85815-054
Age: 61
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Brooklyn MDC
Release Date: UNKNOWN

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:35 am

by Jesús Malverde

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:48 am
Contraception isn't exercising individual responsibility, it avoids it.

I've read QAnon drivel and delusional religious babble that makes more sense than this.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:42 am

by ripper5

@ roller: Thanks for the Addy. Yeah, I didn't know him well but he was kind and encouraging from what I remember. Can't have too much mail in that/his situation.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:53 am

by ripper5

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:05 am
I'm not preaching, I'm just stating a fact.
contraception is for preventing the results of having sex.

No, it's for preventing pregnancy and disease during intercourse.

It is preventing a life long responsibility of having a child.
How is that NOT preventing responsibility?

Since when is it everyone's responsibility to have children? I never agreed to that!

I'm not saying contraception is bad, or shouldn't be used, but if one believes all this fucking is going to cause extinction, I think not fucking would be the first point of order.

That's a strawman. Nobody said " fucking causes extinction"...especially if folks are educated and have contraceptives!

Over population on the other hand...the accumulative results of our activities

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:07 am

by roller24

No, it's for preventing pregnancy and disease during intercourse.

Last I checked pregnancy and STDs are results of having sex.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 am

by ripper5

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:07 am

No, it's for preventing pregnancy and disease during intercourse.
Last I checked pregnancy and STDs are results of having sex.

Nope. Not all sexual acts results in pregnancy and STDs. Just intercourse.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 12:12 pm

by ripper5

To all the proud & doting MPG dads...pat yourself on the back for what I surmise was a job well done in your fatherly duties, society thanks you with more than just all those years of tax breaks we've provided. Cheers!

I dedicate this short to y'all & Eugene Levy: the best movie dad ever imo!

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:17 pm

by smokebreaks

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 am

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:07 am

No, it's for preventing pregnancy and disease during intercourse.
Last I checked pregnancy and STDs are results of having sex.
Nope. Not all sexual acts results in pregnancy and STDs. Just intercourse.

It’s them fuckers that spew the baby batter indiscriminately that create too many children.

If only they had the good sense to pull out before blowing their load, the world would be a better place.

Some people make a conscious choice to breed, unfortunately it seems that most do not.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:26 pm

by ripper5

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:17 pm

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 am

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:07 am

Last I checked pregnancy and STDs are results of having sex.
Nope. Not all sexual acts results in pregnancy and STDs. Just intercourse.
It’s them fuckers that spew the baby batter indiscriminately that create too many children.

If only they had the good sense to pull out before blowing their load, the world would be a better place.

Some people make a conscious choice to breed, unfortunately it seems that most do not.

Spot on! I'd bet we all have known at least one guy like that. It's disgustingly wreckless & selfish.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:32 pm

by roller24

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:53 am

That's a strawman. Nobody said " fucking causes extinction"...

You clearly said just that

they'll just keep mindlessly procreating like jack rabbits...
and become extinct.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:39 pm

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

Look what I started.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:45 pm

by ripper5

yeah I roll at leisure... Prost! :volcano:

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:54 pm

by ripper5

Best - dad - ever!

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:22 pm

by ripper5

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:32 pm

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:53 am

That's a strawman. Nobody said " fucking causes extinction"...
You clearly said just that
they'll just keep mindlessly procreating like jack rabbits...
and become extinct.

Do your best Mark Levin and complain without context...which as I stated was either humanity will evolve past our current situation of false value or continue on as is ...which is procreating like jack rabbits and behaving as a parasite in this world.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:24 pm

by smokebreaks

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:33 am
I get it, when a new born person is born into the world, it's the ultimate special moment for the parents, family, & friends, and that's the way it should be.
But when I see folks congratulating someone on their eighth or ninth or tenth kid, I admit it, I don't see that as being responsible. It's wreckless and/or selfish imo.

I think of it more as cash register ring since once that little crotch goblin is out of the womb the spending starts at a feverish pitch as a future taxpayer is on the cusp of being a contribution to the economy.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:27 pm

by ripper5

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:24 pm

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:33 am
I get it, when a new born person is born into the world, it's the ultimate special moment for the parents, family, & friends, and that's the way it should be.
But when I see folks congratulating someone on their eighth or ninth or tenth kid, I admit it, I don't see that as being responsible. It's wreckless and/or selfish imo.
I think of it more as cash register ring since once that little crotch goblin is out of the womb the spending starts at a feverish pitch as a future taxpayer is on the cusp of being a contribution to the economy.

I just think that even rich folks shouldn't be hyper birthing. Let them adopt.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:53 pm

by roller24

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 2:22 pm

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:32 pm

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:53 am

That's a strawman. Nobody said " fucking causes extinction"...
You clearly said just that
they'll just keep mindlessly procreating like jack rabbits...
and become extinct.

Do your best Mark Levin and complain without context...which as I stated was either humanity will evolve past our current situation of false value or continue on as is ...which is procreating like jack rabbits and behaving as a parasite in this world.

smug virtue signaling was all the context I got.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:10 pm

by ripper5

Dudley Doolittle up in here roller lol

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:23 pm

by ripper5

I'm sorry, this is for Pom.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:18 pm

by Lrus007

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:09 pm

by Prawn Connery

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:16 am
4 times?
lol

Four kids, four times having sex, roller. Or do you not practice what you preach ?

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:16 am
4 times?
Prawn Connery wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:06 am
Man, roller's only had sex FOUR TIMES in his life!

Does anyone else remember when he posted a pic of his schlong on the internet asking for sex? I do!

Remember that, roller?
That wasn't done asking for sex. so your memory is fading.
x3n0 and I were having fun with Salts, she wanted to see who had the most massive cock.

Oh, I distinctly remember you posting a photo with a caption saying "This is an unsolicited request for sex".

I don't remember seeing 3PO's dick. I do remember seeing Saltwater Girl's tits (nice!). I might even have a photo of her on my computer somewhere (I'm not a stalker, lol!).

Sorry roller, I didn't keep a photo of your dick. Maybe Munchy did, because he keeps everything. But I wouldn't blame him if he didn't.

It was a decent dick – if it was yours - so bit of a shame to waste it on all that Catholic self-flagellation and shit.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:13 pm

by Prawn Connery

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:32 pm

ripper5 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:53 am

That's a strawman. Nobody said " fucking causes extinction"...
You clearly said just that
they'll just keep mindlessly procreating like jack rabbits...
and become extinct.

Here's an interesting fact, roller: 99% of all animals that have gone extinct were still trying to have sex when they died out.

It wasn't the lack of sex drive that sent them extinct.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:14 pm

by Prawn Connery

Mum-of-10 forced to cut back on school lunches as food prices 'out of control'

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-13/ ... /102582776

Just what the world needs: more fugly, stupid people who can't afford to feed their kids. And we're supposed to feel sorry for them?

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:00 am

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

What the fuck, Salts never showed me her tits and I know she liked me more than all you clowns.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:16 am

by Prawn Connery

She loved me more mate! She actually sent me a topless photo of herself at the beach but with the best bits covered up. But I'd already seen the original image she posted earlier. Can't remember what prompted the original topless photo, but here's the censored one to preserve her modesty.

: Salty.jpeg (5.18 KiB) Viewed 1278 times

The black circle is my censorship, the white bit was hers. She's a top chick, and I wouldn't want to embarrass her like I do you guys

Plus, I never kept the uncensored version out of respect (just in case she's reading this - who knows?).

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:48 am

by Prawn Connery

Solid Gold Butt Plug wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:55 am
I remember when PoM made me an Admin of ICmag for a few days….good times!

I also remember when I got Munchy with a disguised kill me link at OG….LOL…They (TOG) said I took out 300 accounts with that link.

Haha! I was just looking through my old Yahoo account when I found this email from Gad. What a time-machine that Yahoo account is. Roller's in it from waaaaaaay back in 2003!

Hey Prawn,

Well, I guess you've seen the shitfest that's taken place in the
tank... I haven't spoken to Roller yet as I'm not exactly sure what
his take on all this is going to be. Sorry 'bout the hoser account, I
click on one of those damn delete account links and was gone before I
knew it.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:57 am

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

That’s Salts sister, salts is a big girl.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:00 am

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

Munchy is going to have to close this thread by tomorrow…..I guess it’s good timing since the PoM story is starting a new chapter.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:25 am

by smokebreaks

I'm pretty sure we can just split it to the compost pile. These last ten pages of gibberish have been oddly fun enough though...

Who knows?

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:10 am

by Prawn Connery

Solid Gold Butt Plug wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:57 am
That’s Salts sister, salts is a big girl.

You sure? That photo was from circa 2001-02. And the (uncensored) original was posted around the same time. Her real name starts with J. That's all I think I can say. I don't want to dox her, even though it was 20 years ago.

I remember because I sent her one of my wedding photos from 2002, which is why I think she sent me a censored version of the pic because she probably thought a titty pic was inappropriate under the circumstances.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:11 am

by Prawn Connery

smokebreaks wrote: ↑
Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:25 am
I'm pretty sure we can just split it to the compost pile. These last ten pages of gibberish have been oddly fun enough though...

Who knows?

Trip through memory lane mate

Here's to another 20 years!

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:44 am

by roller24

The pic she sent me was closer to the one buttplug received.

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:09 am
Do you promote celibacy?

You guys read an awful lot into query.
How you got preaching out of that is beyond me, but i ran with it.
good banter is good banter.

call me pius catholic prude and discuss my dick pic to salty, all in one thread should have clued you in.
I asked if he promoted celibacy, because his overpopulation smugness was to a level, I wanted to see how serious he actually was about it.

Yes, it's that big and beautiful, or was..he's been retired.

I'm a self diagnosed sex addict. I've probably had more pussy then the combined lot of you.
I seriously can't even count em all.
You've heard of the Bucket list, well I had a Fuckit List.
not too many boxes unchecked either.

it was also my downfall, and destroyed my marriage. yet I continued on my antics for several years after divorce.
Once I was finally repositioned in life to be near my kids and have a civil relationship with mom, I quit running women.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:00 am

by DD Ramone

Just Deserts -

Well I suppose that this sorry saga of POM's life and times has just about come to an end now - and it is in itself a lesson to all of us of how one's life can go oh so wrong - if you lie, cheat, steal - inform on your friends and supporters to the police (grass/snitch) - enable children and adults to purchase hard drugs and various other poisons and deadly weapons - leading to deaths and disaster for many people - accuse others of doing what you are actually doing yourself (murder for hire) - while threatening violence using scare tactics - (I could go on) - ah yes - as we now see - all because of this and more - The Goose is Cooked !

Looking at the official sentancing report on POM's case - there is no reference to any credited time off from the 240 months (20 years) for time served - and as for getting any parole for 'good behavioir' - that is highly unlikely - since POM has always been - and probably will always be a great exponent of bad behaviour - to those that have really known him over the years -

But he will still have our 'undivided attention' - for the next 20 years - in the unlikely event he actually survives and lives that long in a USA Federal Penitentiary - because every year we will have a Mongoose 'Snoopy Dance Party' - to remember him by - and rejoice over his continued incarceration -

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:55 am

by Butcher Bob

This is how I always envisioned PoM's stories...

"...blah blah blah blah blah...so I had just escaped the cell they had put me in...blah blah blah blah blah...but when I rounded the corner, one of the gorillas caught me unawares...blah blah blah blah blah...fucking huge pipe...blah blah blah blah blah...left me for dead...blah blah blah blah blah...by the grace of God, and my strong constitution, I survived...blah blah blah blah blah...and I have evidence...blah blah blah blah blah...these bastards are going to pay...blah blah blah blah blah..."

<...two months later...>

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:47 pm

by AlwaysBlue

Looks like PoM got credit for time in Thai prison as well as MDC. Out in 9 years, maybe sooner if he can get a prisoner transfer

ROGER THOMAS CLARK
Register Number: 85815-054
Age: 61
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Brooklyn MDC
Release Date: 12/17/2032

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:49 pm

by Munchy

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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:22 am

by dill786

so he will be released when he's 70 years old...

if he still has any grey matter left in his head he could write a book, he was good at spinning a yarn!!

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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:59 am

by smokebreaks

Most likely he’ll be deported to Canada long before the 9 years is served.

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:45 am

by rSin

i lost his contact info

would someone please pm me the address a letter would reach him,

and mabe post the process of finding it for myself through public channels?\

thanks

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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:47 am

by roller24

rSin wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:45 am
i lost his contact info

would someone please pm me the address a letter would reach him,

and mabe post the process of finding it for myself through public channels?\

thanks

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:34 am

https://www.bop.gov/inmates/communications.jsp#package

ROGER THOMAS CLARK
Register Number: 85815-054
Age: 61
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Brooklyn MDC
Release Date: UNKNOWN

The link has the mailing address to the MDC.

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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:06 pm

by rSin

thanks roller!

regarding sending him mail,
it gotta be all read first before he gets it

how do i send him an encouraging letter without getting him in trouble or getting the heat on me?

i think i know.

but would like to here some authoritative replys to me concern...

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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:52 am

by AlwaysBlue

having spent some quality time in MDC I can tell you that all incoming mail is read and "censored" (often for unclear reasons). He will also have an email access account which he can add you to with the appropriate approvals

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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:16 am

by rSin

sounds like its time to get a real VPN
mabe a couple to chain them when you really need one to work...

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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:01 am

by OzFreelancer

I realized I should have popped in on this thread last month. I was at PoM's sentencing. AMA if you want, though I covered it pretty well in a Twitter thread and blog post: https://eileenormsby.com/2023/07/15/ten ... sentenced/.

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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:50 am

by smokebreaks

AlwaysBlue wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:52 am
having spent some quality time in MDC I can tell you that all incoming mail is read and "censored" (often for unclear reasons). He will also have an email access account which he can add you to with the appropriate approvals

All prison mail is censored and scrutinized

Mongoose seemed to be surprised at that when I told him via corrlinks

Thanks Oz

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:57 am

by Munchy

for a short time over 30 years ago, i was in a c/o program,
and spent some time in the mail opening room of CMF Vacaville.
we were just checking for contraband, but they told us not to open anything for Charlie Manson,
which was to go straight to a special unit for that sort of extra scrutiny.

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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:27 am

by roller24

OzFreelancer wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:01 am
I realized I should have popped in on this thread last month. I was at PoM's sentencing. AMA if you want, though I covered it pretty well in a Twitter thread and blog post: https://eileenormsby.com/2023/07/15/ten ... sentenced/.

I enjoyed the article, nicely done.

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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:11 pm

by rSin

thanks you OzFreelancer.
well written; couldnt have been easy to watch.

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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:36 pm

by OzFreelancer

roller24 wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:27 am

OzFreelancer wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:01 am
I realized I should have popped in on this thread last month. I was at PoM's sentencing. AMA if you want, though I covered it pretty well in a Twitter thread and blog post: https://eileenormsby.com/2023/07/15/ten ... sentenced/.
I enjoyed the article, nicely done.

Thanks. I left out the specifics of the corruption he alleged, but otherwise it is pretty much everything that happened

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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:37 pm

by OzFreelancer

rSin wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:11 pm
thanks you OzFreelancer.
well written; couldnt have been easy to watch.

To be perfectly honest, nobody in that room including Mongoose was surprised at the 20 years

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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:21 pm

by dill786

The AI photo of POM was really well done, did you do that yourself in mid-journey?

I see lots of creators doing this now instead of using pics of people so they don't get copyright strikes or risk being sued,, this is happening on YT a lot, I guess this is the future now photo-realistic pics of people etc....

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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:29 am

by OzFreelancer

dill786 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:21 pm
The AI photo of POM was really well done, did you do that yourself in mid-journey?

I did, but it is a fluke that it came out looking so much like him. I couldn't get midjourney to get his ankle shackles right for some reason

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 8:54 am

by dill786

OzFreelancer wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:29 am

dill786 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:21 pm
The AI photo of POM was really well done, did you do that yourself in mid-journey?

I did, but it is a fluke that it came out looking so much like him. I couldn't get midjourney to get his ankle shackles right for some reason

Yeah I noticed he was shackled to the floor via his waist....

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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:25 pm

by rSin

spent a few weeks in the hospital under arrest.
a 20foot chain around one ancle and then locked to these giant eye bolts at ever door.

remember getting taken somewhere for some xrays and the cop going with me check the chain and then locks it to the eyebolt

the xray techs were in disbelief
like i was fucking going somewhere

had to dig deep to keep my mind...

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:33 pm

by ben ttech

admit it,
your a tank and it was no problem

cept for living with it after
thats the real struggle...

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:51 pm

by nobodyknew

How disappointing it is to see the story of the plural mongoose end so ignominously - we won't be seeing him again

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:50 am

by dill786

do you remember when POM and Gypsy Nirvana were fighting for control of ICmag, and there was a short period when POM got hold of ICMAG as well....

There was some good suspense and banter over it, the good olde days...

POM was a good storyteller, he knew how to spin a good yarn

the "flying ashtray" storyline was awesome

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:20 am

by Solid Gold Butt Plug

He made me an Admin of ICmag for a day or two….that made people lose their mind.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:12 am

by dill786

Are any of the threads still available to read
especially the feud between POM and GN ?
and the flying ashtray saga

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:55 pm

by rSin

Solid Gold Butt Plug wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:20 am
He made me an Admin of ICmag for a day or two….that made people lose their mind.

too funny
we used to banter and yarn alot in pm besides just on the boards
he asked me if i wanted my handle back there but before i could think about it the offer had passed...

fuck icmag.

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 8:00 am

by mr_infinity

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

i can't believe Pom got 20 years sentence

A damsel in distress. Plural of Mongoose Update.

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:35 am

by Intrinsic

so I get this ad in my Twitter feed to free
Ross Ulbricht.
https://twitter.com/Free_Ross/status/17 ... 1219280248

Nearly 600,000 have signed the petition to ask POTUS to reduce Ross Ulbricht's life sentence. From lawmakers to organizations, many have voiced their support. Ross has spent nearly 11 years in prison. He deserves a second chance and would never break the law again if freed!

https://www.change.org/p/clemency-for-r ... n69ixdmckz

Fwiw.