The overdue immigration thread.

[Butcher Bob]

No-one in Australia has to sign up for anything.

Umm, aboot your voting laws down there... ...

We were talking about national ID cards.

Well, here we have voter ID cards. We're not required to register, nor are we ever required to show them (mine has been in my wallet since the day I got it), but they are government issued because you have to register to vote. Not sure how it works down under, but I would assume your government has some kind of identification system to be able to enforce your 'required' voting.

And I'm surprised I missed this too...

1040 is our income tax.

We are required to get a 'Social Security' card as well (realistically our asset identification number), which is used as our taxpayer identification number for income tax purposes. I would assume your government has something similar.

These are both national ID cards...of sorts.

Just sayin'.

[ben ttech]

1040 is our income tax.
The gun question was in context with the image of how government reach tyranny by graduated encroachments over time.
The 2nd amendment to possess firearms aren't for hunting or home protection, but for overthrowing a tyrannical government, or invading armies.

The Federalist Papers addressed the issue of standing armies and the militia1. Alexander Hamilton argued that the Constitution was necessary for national security reasons and thus standing armies were sometimes needed to secure the liberties of the people1. The Second Amendment was intended to protect individual liberty by stopping the federal government from instituting gun restrictions of any kind2. The founders wanted to ensure citizens had the ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical national government and other domestic threats, as well as from foreign invaders2.

All of that is horseshit and you KNOW it roller!


NOTHING in that federalist diatribe made it into the constitution. Quite the opposite. You have to butcher the text of the second amendment to engage in such fantasy reasoning.

The founder knew that militias were the future for American security for some good time to come and they wanted all males to be eligible. The first American law compelling one to do something to avoid breaking the law was for all men to own a rifle and the kit it takes to keep it in good order. They also wanted no part in standing armies GIVEN their history of always preying on their host eventually

The notion that personal rights here is a fantasy of late 20th century invention and it took the most corrupt Supreme Court that’s ever been here to sign off on that rot while claiming to be originalists

Fuck the US. Americans deserve FAR better and most of the world deserves reparations…

[Prawn Connery]

Well, here we have voter ID cards. We're not required to register, nor are we ever required to show them (mine has been in my wallet since the day I got it), but they are government issued because you have to register to vote. Not sure how it works down under, but I would assume your government has some kind of identification system to be able to enforce your 'required' voting.

And I'm surprised I missed this too...

1040 is our income tax.

We are required to get a 'Social Security' card as well (realistically our asset identification number), which is used as our taxpayer identification number for income tax purposes. I would assume your government has something similar.

These are both national ID cards...of sorts.

Just sayin'.

We don't have social security cards in Australia.

So technically everyone who is elligible is required to enrol to vote. That doesn't mean everyone is actually enrolled, however. My wife is not enrolled. And the only reason I'm enrolled is because of a facist law that allows the Electoral Commission to compulsorily enrol people based on their car registration information! All the cars are in my name, not my wife's (she won't even let me put her name on her own cars, because she doesn't want to be forcibly enrolled to vote).

So there is that. As to how they enforce it, there is an electoral role with everyone's name on it, and the district they are entitled to vote in based on their address (where their car is registered to). On voting day, you are required to go to a polling booth and get your name ticked off. You need to show some form of ID – driver's license being most common – and then you drop your ballot in a box.

Some people simply turn up and have their name ticked off the roll. Others donkey vote (Dick and Balls!). And still others – like me – either pay a nominal $20 fine or come up with a legitimate(ish) excsue like "Oh, I had Covid on polling day" etc to get out of it.

I've used up most of my excuses, so these days I just pay my $20. My time is worth more than that anyway, so I don't care. I just saved an hour of my life not voting for someone who doesn't deserve my vote anyway.

Ah, yes. We do have Tax File Numbers – which I guess is kind of equivalent to your Social Security Card . . . except it's not a card and is not used for any official form of ID. Everyone who pays tax in Australia has one, whether you are a citizen or not. You are only required to quote it when filling in your tax return or claiming a pension or other form of social security. Because it's not a card, it's a bugger to remember!

[roller24]

1040 is our income tax.
The gun question was in context with the image of how government reach tyranny by graduated encroachments over time.
The 2nd amendment to possess firearms aren't for hunting or home protection, but for overthrowing a tyrannical government, or invading armies.

The Federalist Papers addressed the issue of standing armies and the militia1. Alexander Hamilton argued that the Constitution was necessary for national security reasons and thus standing armies were sometimes needed to secure the liberties of the people1. The Second Amendment was intended to protect individual liberty by stopping the federal government from instituting gun restrictions of any kind2. The founders wanted to ensure citizens had the ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical national government and other domestic threats, as well as from foreign invaders2.

All of that is horseshit and you KNOW it roller!


NOTHING in that federalist diatribe made it into the constitution. Quite the opposite. You have to butcher the text of the second amendment to engage in such fantasy reasoning.

The founder knew that militias were the future for American security for some good time to come and they wanted all males to be eligible. The first American law compelling one to do something to avoid breaking the law was for all men to own a rifle and the kit it takes to keep it in good order. They also wanted no part in standing armies GIVEN their history of always preying on their host eventually

The notion that personal rights here is a fantasy of late 20th century invention and it took the most corrupt Supreme Court that’s ever been here to sign off on that rot while claiming to be originalists

Fuck the US. Americans deserve FAR better and most of the world deserves reparations…

You call it horseshit and then basically concur with the statement, except the bits that don't align with your woke revision on history.
Whatever.