The Truth About Corona Virus

[Butcher Bob]

By overstated your talking simply that they are more than tested positive?

I'm looking at the daily new cases and daily deaths figures.
They're reporting 800+ daily new cases...but we're running aboot 600.
And they're reporting 21 deaths per day...but we're running an average of 4 for the last couple weeks.
Intrinsic posted the graphs 10 days ago...

Michigan cases 54.png

Michigan deaths 9.png

* Aw crap...I was hoping those graphs would come through with the quote...they're two pages back.
...things have been pretty steady since.

I thought you said those were the same numbers you were talking about earlier.

Don't know where that world-o-meter gets their stats. But the other graphs use the official figures from the state's DHHS.

[Intrinsic]

Thanks for posting the MI charts Intrinsic.
Those are the same ones I get the numbers from.
I ain't figured out how to post images through my xbox yet.

I'm wondering how many states look like those CA charts...those patterns look horrendous.

The last time I went to a Michigan link they're tapping from the same database as world of meter was or worldometers Tapping from Michigan's database.
Their numbers were identical their graphs, identical.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/michigan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Give me another link for Michigan's daily Death or daily cases bar graph.

I'll be happy to compare, curious.
Here's stats from today
Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).

[Intrinsic]

It's a bug feature where you can't copy attachments in a quote. My work around, save and reattach. Inefficient but.


Edit. ***

And they're reporting 21 deaths per day

That 21 death number was 21 deaths yesterday, when I posted. IT is not average daily deaths
Does that help?

Edit2 **
Okay I just checked.

The daily moving Average is 8.
It went from 11 to 4 to 8.
Which doesn't give as much information as just a glance of the graph, imo.

[Intrinsic]

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[Butcher Bob]

Give me another link for Michigan's daily Death or daily cases bar graph.

Yeah, something's off.

Newspapers' numbers through the 3pm Monday update...

https://www.mlive.com/coronavirus/2020/ ... higan.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...are the same as the state's DHHS covid page...

https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

83,386 total confirmed cases
6,212 total deaths
604 latest daily new cases
6 latest daily new deaths

It would appear world-o-meter has inflated all those numbers.
Odd...they got the "recovered" figure right though.
So are they doing that with the other states as well?

I tried to find CA's state reported numbers, but could only find the county breakdown on their page, not state-wide totals.

[Munchy]

is the Trump admin stripping CDC's control of COVID data and sending it direct to the HHS not affecting these reports?

[Butcher Bob]

If MI had a republican governor, I could see that as being entirely possible.
However, we have a democrat governor...who is still on Biden's short list for VP pick...who has been quite outspoken aboot Trump's handling of the situation...and who has been over zealous with precautionary measures. If anything, I would think MI's DHHS figures would be overstated...but I think they are fairly accurate.

...of course that's just an educated guess.

[Intrinsic]

is the Trump admin stripping CDC's control of COVID data and sending it direct to the HHS not affecting these reports?

No.
I don't have any links, but form my research earlier, any data that gets redirected from CDC is duplicated and vectored to many other sources : World o meter, John Hopkins, California for sure, and from what I read on the Michigan site MI for sure too. Whatever the White House is doing with thier data it's not being done publicly... yet. I should note in any science field there is an underground Network of scientist that are Beyond borders, unless you're in the field you'll never know about it.
A famous case came to light when Iranian physicists working with Israel physicists unknown between the two governments, until Israel's secret police assassinated an Iranian physicist.

[Intrinsic]

Sorry for the delay these were snapshots I took yesterday just haven't got around to doing anything about it.

I didn't find a daily death Michigan bar graph, on the Michigan's sites.
World o meter data:

Michigan site data:

Michigan Daily cases.jpg (128.78 KiB) Viewed 1673 times

This last graph is from later I forgot to take a snapshot on the same day as a Michigan. That is why there are less bars on the end with the world of meter graph than the Michigan graph.

On the bar graphs , the Curve is virtually the same over time, multiple data points
And the snapshot data we see more discrepancy, single data point.
Anyways that's how see it.

[Intrinsic]

World o meter just about everybody else I can find are running adjustment algorithms. If you have enough data points there exists known methods to model the function accurately.

But you'll get regression errors if you start running different procedures on already massaged data. I don't know if that's happening so as I said before i tend to use the death counts more. It's an absolute value harder to fudge.

If Everybody's case numbers are off by I don't know say <10%, I wouldn't be worried I'd be rather confident.
But if discrepancy patterns start showing up. Well. That's our obligation to keep an eye on.
Rule 303.
So thanks Bob for keeping an eye out.