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trumps latest epa wonk screaming about alternative energies needing to "stand" on their own feet without the 400 million dollars a year federal subsidies

ignoring the 5 billion which oil alone gets


I was wondering how that translates joule for joule

how much energy do you get in eachs case dollar for dollar that is?
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Reason I'm against CENTRAL CONTROL.

No one is smart enough to take into consideration every iteration and/or repercussion of a dictate. I'm pretty sure matrix 2 explained all that.

Let the FREE MARKET decide.
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Fuck the free market. Karl Marx mathematical ideas on optimization a economy (resource distribution [real defination] not the fake credit/debt idea of economy) is to be better a way to optimize quality of life for people then using an uneducated populace decided. yanno the lowest common denominator.

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All told, from 1918 through 2009, the industry’s tax breaks and other subsidies amounted to an average of $4.86 billion annually (in 2010 dollars), according to a 2011 study by DBL Investors, a venture capital firm. Accounting for inflation, that would be $5.53 billion a year today.

The DBL study didn’t include coal due to the lack of data for subsidies going back to the early 1800s, but the federal government has lavished considerably more on the coal industry than on renewables. In 2008 alone, coal received between $3.2 billion and $5.4 billion in subsidies, according to a 2011 Harvard Medical School study in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences.


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A new study by Oil Change International brings us up-to-date. Published earlier this month, it found that federal subsidies in 2015 and 2016 averaged $10.9 billion a year for the oil and gas industry and $3.8 billion for the coal industry. By contrast, the wind industry’s so-called production tax credit, renewed by Congress in December 2015, amounted to $3.3 billion last year, according to a Congress Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) estimate. Unlike the fossil fuel industry’s permanent subsidies, Congress has allowed the wind tax credit to expire six times in the last 20 years, and it is now set to decline incrementally until ending in 2020. Similarly, Congress fixed the solar industry’s investment tax credit at 30 percent of a project’s cost through 2019, but reduced it to 10 percent for commercial projects and zeroed it out for residences by the end of 2021. The JCT estimates that the solar credit amounted to a $2.4-billion tax break last year. Totaling it up, fossil fuels — at $14.7 billion — still received two-and-a-half times more in federal support than solar and wind in 2016.
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Intrinsic wrote:Fuck the free market. Karl Marx mathematical ideas on optimization a economy (resource distribution [real defination] not the fake credit/debt idea of economy) is to be better a way to optimize quality of life for people then using an uneducated populace decided. yanno the lowest common denominator.
Oh but little butterfly. Those equations fail to take into account the ingenuity of man to thwart your devious plans to take our guns and freedom away.

Again the Matrix equation. Marxist. Man can not be fit into a mold. Many can. Yes deluded by selfish desire.

If we can shoot those (inhumans over there) more for us. Besides the pile needs more bodies.
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The World's Astonishing Dependence On Fossil Fuels Hasn't Changed In 40 Years (qz.com)


I report on and write about energy, and this chart still blows my mind. Every year since 1971, more than 80% of all our energy has come from fossil fuels. That’s still true today, which is surprising for two reasons. Most nuclear power plants came online between 1971 and 1990, and most renewable energy farms were built in the last 10 years. We’ve added so many more non-fossil-fuel energy sources in the past 45 years, and yet it doesn’t seem to be at all reflected in the chart.

There are few ways to understand why. First, most of the world's clean-energy sources are used to generate electricity. But electricity forms only 25% of the world's energy consumption. Second, as the rich world moved towards a cleaner energy mix, much of the poor world was just starting to gain access to modern forms of energy. Inevitably, they chose the cheapest option, which was and remains fossil fuels. So yes, we're using much more clean energy than we used to. But the world's energy demand has grown so steeply that we're also using a lot more fossil fuels than in the past.


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Yes we (the world) is an petroleum economy. It is often noted that agriculture is turning oil into food (fertilizers, labor, transportation, storage, ect ..)

I will repeat myself again: the solution to any energy problem (optimizing quality of life) is limit yer population. this not rocket science, jes arithmetic. Unlike those view-from-all-perspectives tensors that Marx used in his work.
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Post by deran »

Nah man, wrong angle
The world ain't too small and we aren't over populated, it's all good , we have enough space and enough resources for next upcoming generations
The only problem is money and power that influence the logistics

Yes, such a simple sentence, that can't be un-knotted without becoming mentally sick....

And if they didn't die, they still un-knott the node to sanity ...
awoken the right way

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calculations show that raising the rest of the world to the consumption rates in the US would require the services of 5 earths
no mention to the number of 'servitors' that would be required IN ADDITION

intrinsic notes that to retain the current level of tolerated inequality will require significant reductions in total numbers

deran notes that reduction in inequality would allow current numbers to coexist


personally,
I don't want the kings of old winning this

so those planning wicked schemes for population reduction should be dealt with first

followed by a massive investment in carbon capture infrastructure capable of maintaining production given a 30' rise in sea level and a decade or two of significantly reduction of sunlight reaching the planets surface
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