The Truth About Corona Virus

[ben ttech]

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKBN2370OP

[Butcher Bob]

Are they cooking to books to falsely inflate the numbers?
Evidently in Michigan we are...

Here are three ways in which Michigan has been more aggressive than Florida in counting coronavirus deaths.

- In both states, the coronavirus death count includes anyone who tests positive for the virus, regardless of cause of death. But Michigan also has encouraged health officers to list “presumed” coronavirus on the death certificate if the person had symptoms of COVID-19 even if the person did not test positive.
- Coronavirus deaths in Michigan must be reported to county health officials within 24 hours. Florida’s coronavirus website acknowledges that can be “significant delays” in reporting coronavirus deaths since they wait on filing of the death certificate. That means Michigan numbers are much more up-to-date.
- MDHHS compares death certificates with the list of people who tested positive for COVID-19. If there’s a match and the death certificate doesn’t list COVID, that death is added to the coronavirus death count. As an example, 37 of the 57 coronavirus deaths reported on Saturday, May 30, were identified through that matching process.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... -high.html

Michigan has actually admitted to falsely inflating the numbers.

[Butcher Bob]

More cooking...

Remember when a few medical folks said that hydroxychloroquine looked like it might hold value as a covid treatment, and it looked like a ray of light. And then Trump said it looked promising, so then a lot of folks thought it must be bad. But some trials were started, and doctors started saying it does look promising. Then that "scientific" paper was published in the "peer reviewed" Lancet Medical Journal that said hydroxychloroquine kills covid patients. Remember that?

Well....



...looks like "peer reviewed", "scientific facts" are only right, until they are wrong.

[Intrinsic]

Oh lord well I'm in a comic mood.

What's your point?
Are you going to start a regimen of hydroxychloroquine?
Trump was right? About anything.

[Intrinsic]

You still have no idea what peer review is. Yet you Babble about it.




Ugh


here's the facts

The authors retracted the paper because the data set could not be verified.

They or scientific consensus has not concluded hydroxychloroquine would be a viable treatment for covid-19. No one has except President Trump.

New England Journal of Medicine in April found the two primary outcomes for COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine were death and the need for mechanical ventilation.

Well what do you know. Peer review works.
Scientific consensus has not changed.

Too bad you relied on videos. Dum dum dumb

[Butcher Bob]

Are you retarded?...or are your comprehension skills really that poor?

You still have no idea what peer review is. Yet you Babble about it.

I didn't apply that label...the journal and the community that endores it did.

here's the facts

The authors retracted the paper because the data set could not be verified.

Not true. Three of the four authors retracted it. The fourth, the CIO of the company that provided the data, is refusing to comment...and that company is refusing to allow verification of the data they provided.

They or scientific consensus has not concluded hydroxychloroquine would be a viable treatment for covid-19.

No, their unverified claims just caused the cessation of legitimate research.

New England Journal of Medicine in April found the two primary outcomes for COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine were death and the need for mechanical ventilation.

Another oopsie on your part...

Lancet, New England Journal retract Covid-19 studies, including one that raised safety concerns about malaria drugs

Well what do you know. Peer review works.
Scientific consensus has not changed.

Actually peer review didn't work, as evidenced by the retractions....and consensus has changed, as evidenced by the continuation of legitimate research that had been stopped due to those fallacious articles.



Sometimes you are just too easy of a target.

[Intrinsic]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3620312903

I reiterate you know squat about peer review.

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The Lancet

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Expression of concern: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis

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Mandeep R Mehra, Sapan S Desai, Frank Ruschitzka, Amit N Patel

Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis

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Mandeep R Mehra, Sapan S Desai, Frank Ruschitzka, Amit N Patel

Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis

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Important scientific questions have been raised about data reported in the paper by Mandeep Mehra et al—Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis1—published in The Lancet on May 22, 2020. Although an independent audit of the provenance and validity of the data has been commissioned by the authors not affiliated with Surgisphere and is ongoing, with results expected very shortly, we are issuing an Expression of Concern to alert readers to the fact that serious scientific questions have been brought to our attention. We will update this notice as soon as we have further information.

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[Butcher Bob]

Ahh, it is good to see you are finally coming around to the fact that "science" is not always right...as evidenced by your posting of the retraction published in the peer reviewed scientific journal whose original study you referenced as fact. Maybe if you were not so intent on slamming Trump, you would not make mistakes like that.



Ack!!!!....the protests are going to spread the covid!!
It's been what, 11 days so far? A little early to tell for sure, but...
No cases of coronavirus have been traced back to protests in Michigan, state officials said Friday...
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... higan.html
I'm hearing the exact same thing aboot the Lake of the Ozarks crowds from a couple weeks ago.

And speaking of tracing...remember how they said the covid tracing would not be used for nefarious political or law enforcement purposes? They lied. Many law enforcement agencies are bragging aboot using it to track protesters, going through their contacts and communications without obtaining warrants....not looters, not rioters, but PROTESTERS. More civil liberties stripped away in the name of public health.

All while politicians refuse to answer for their actions...
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer rejects Republican invite to testify in coronavirus response probe

The barber our governor has been trying to make an example of, even after he won his case to stay open, had his business license revoked and was being fined for every day he was open, has now won a 7-0 state supreme court decision...
Michigan Supreme Court overturns ruling on Owosso barber

And now the state is going to claw back unemployment benefits for those folks they put out of work...
340,000 Michigan unemployment accounts flagged for potential fraud
“Unfortunately, many of these are legitimate claimants, whose economic lifeline is now tied up due to this criminal scheme. Our priority continues to be identifying and paying legitimate claimants the benefits they need and deserve,”
Umm, they're not tied up due to a "criminal scheme", they're tied up due to the state's inability to do their job. Recipients already go thru a lengthy process, to determine validity of their claim, before they get even a penny of those funds.



And gas jumped big yesterday...from 1.84 to 2.09

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Ahh, it is good to see you are finally coming around to the fact that "science" is not always right...as evidenced by your posting of the retraction published in the peer reviewed scientific journal whose original study you referenced as fact. Maybe if you were not so intent on slamming Trump, you would not make mistakes like that. 

Where did I reference the original study as fact? ??
I told you you didn't understand how peer review works soooo...

..That link I provided for you shows how peer review works. While under review, addressing critiques, the authors re-examine, eventually the lead author agreed with some criticism and retracted; After a bunch of internal conversation among authors we can only guess. If you follow historic public record from that link is good example how peer review works. The updating as it unfolds. Use Google Scholar ..

........ brick wall ....
Bla blaw blaw .. yada yada.
Yup. you saw it as a mistake vs an opportunity to learn. Got it, I'm too ignorant to show you of anything.

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[Butcher Bob]

Where did I reference the original study as fact? ??

My bad. I must be confusing you with my brother...the back and forths are very similar.
I should have just stopped with my dig on "science" always being right.



ACK!!!....the spike is occurring!!...



...and my state is one of the 20 spiking!!

...or is it?...

Michigan’s 108 new coronavirus cases is fewest since week 1 of pandemic

How can this be? National news says my state is seeing a spike in cases...while my state is reporting that our levels have dropped down to numbers we saw in the first week. The local news article has a graph that clearly shows our numbers have been in steady decline for over two months...no spikes other than ones due to lapses in reporting by health officials.

So...is the national news lying?...or are my state's health officials lying?
The state health officials have already admitted lying, by OVERSTATING the actual numbers...which would just make national news even bigger liars.

WTF...how are we supposed to solve the problem, if they keep falsifying the data?
My bullshit meter is twitching again.

[ben ttech]

Anew analysis published in the journal Science found seven new strains of the coronavirus that have been circulating in California — and that’s according to a very small sample size.

Specifically, a group of international scientists looked at samples from 36 COVID-19 patients in nine California counties and the Grand Princess cruise ship from late January to mid-March. Through a phylogenetic analysis — which is when researchers study the evolutionary relationships of genes — they found at least seven different SARS-CoV-2 lineages, including the WA1 strain which has been associated with Washington state.

Written by Nicole Karlis / Salon

https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/multip ... lly-means/

[ben ttech]

“These genomic studies help us understand how the virus got here, where it’s propagated and where it kind of petered out,” Dr. George Rutherford, a professor of epidemiology at the University of California–San Francisco who was not involved in the study, told Salon. “I think that understanding that our cases were probably imported from Washington is helpful . . . we know that there have been some cases that may have been indirectly imported from Asia, but we have a relatively small number of introductions here as opposed to New York, which had probably hundreds of introductions.”

[Intrinsic]

How can this be? National news says my state is seeing a spike in cases...while my state is reporting that our levels have dropped down to numbers we saw in the first week. The local news article has a graph that clearly shows our numbers have been in steady decline for over two months...no spikes other than ones due to lapses in reporting by health officials.

Pence encourages state governors to lie to their citizens about spikes in Covid-19 infections
From the New York Times:
Vice President Mike Pence encouraged governors on Monday to adopt the administration’s claim that increased testing helps account for the new coronavirus outbreak reports, even though evidence has shown that the explanation is misleading.

On a call with the governors, audio of which was obtained by The New York Times, Mr. Pence urged them “to continue to explain to your citizens the magnitude of the increase in testing” in addressing the new outbreaks.

Pence also urged governors to support Trump’s increasingly dismal re-election prospects by ““encourag[ing] people with the news that we’re safely reopening the country.”

The reality is that the “information” Pence is so eager for state governors to peddle to their citizens is flat-out wrong:

In fact, seven-day averages in several states with outbreaks have increased since May 31, and in at least 14 states, the positive case rate is increasing faster than the increase in the average number of tests, according to an analysis of data collected by The New York Times.

The vice president played down the overall size of the outbreaks, stressing that some states were seeing what he called “intermittent” spikes of the virus.

This administration has obviously settled on its end-game strategy regarding the Covid-19 pandemic, with American citizens being relegated to collateral damage.

[H]e was dismissive of the idea that community spread is a culprit, focusing instead on specific outbreak locations, like nursing homes. In fact, as cases rise, officials in several states have specifically pointed a finger at community spread.

It’s hard to imagine that any elected American government would treat its citizens this way, but this is where we are.

There will be a reckoning.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6 ... n=trending

[Butcher Bob]

That is certainly not the case for us, as Whitmer is looking to take Pence's job.

Plus, three days after I posted that, ABC, NBC, and CNN all changed their stories, from 20 states to 19, removing MI from their maps. Evidently the national networks were just talking shit, as MI is a model state for case/death reduction.

[Intrinsic]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6 ... n=trending

Republican who doesn't wear mask on floor of the House announces he and his family caught COVID-19.

Republican Rep. Tom Rice of South Carolina took to his Facebook page on Monday to announce that he, his wife, and his son had all tested positive for COVID-19. Calling it the “Wuhan Flu”.
Farcebook Public Announcement.

Covid-19 is NOT influenza.
And I could find no verification other than his facebook announcement. No medical verification. And since another proven anti-science politician he might just be Faking It to downplay its severity.