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Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 am
by Munchy

don't judge the whole topic by one bad video
that's like saying one hoaxed UFO means they are all hoaxes
what do you guys think of the one by Thomas Van Flandern?

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:41 am
by bentech
back to that 'removal' and the field thing

you will notice that they forget that a violation of the speed of light occurred when they
'removed the sun' from the solar system. and since light is particulate those that left its surface march onward in its absence

but when you concider gravity your talking about a field of influence around the sun which extends out past the limits of all bodies which orbit it.

we know how to turn maganitism and light off and on in devices we have created
we have never seen masses effect turned off and on

at present I think the science is well confirmed that the transfer of information between entangled particles has been shown to be occurring at speeds significantly faster than the speed of light we measure

then will most likely be shown to simply be that there is a medium within which light travels faster than any we have presently observed

Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it faked?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:39 pm
by bentech
per that next video munchy,
i would like to know more about the experimental measurement of the suns gravimetric center as compared to its luminous one


stanfords having none of it

Does gravity travel faster than the speed of light?
No, it doesn't appear to. Einstein's relativistic equation for gravity based on general relativity demands that gravity travels at the speed of light, otherwise the predictions we get for the bending of light and the precession of the perihelion of Mercury would be quite different than what is experimentally determined. Also, we can send spacecraft on long journeys through the solar system, and the light travel delays can be up to several hours. If gravity traveled at any other speed than that of light, the trajectories that are calculated for spacecraft would always come out wrong because they include gravitational influences that change from moment to moment as the spacecraft, Sun and planets change their positions. We would never be able to get all the different time delays of these gravitational influences to add up to the measured trajectory of the spacecraft.

https://einstein.stanford.edu/content/r ... q1510.html

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:56 pm
by bentech
now mind you,
this collision occurred over a billion light years away...


the neutron star collision detected by the ligo gravity waves machine was also detected by radio telescopes at precisely the same time

IF gravity was traveling faster than light ligo's would have detected it well in advance and the world over telescopes would have turned to capture the light and radio signals coming in later

this didn't happen

I keep hearing flandern saying Einstein theory or gravity is keeping us back

back from what?



Using a collection of National Science Foundation radio telescopes, researchers have confirmed that a narrow jet of material was ejected at near light speeds from a neutron star collision. The collision, which was observed August 17, 2017 and occurred 130 million light-years from Earth, initially produced gravitational waves that were observed by the Laser Interferometry Gravitational-wave Observatory (LIGO), alongside a flood of light in the form of gamma rays, X-rays, visible light, and radio waves. It was the first cosmic event to be observed in both gravitational waves and light waves.

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/supe ... sion-83414


On 17 August 2017 the NSF's Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) in the United States, working with the Virgo Interferometer in Italy, detected gravitational waves passing the Earth. This event, the fifth ever detected, was named GW170817. About two seconds later, two space observatories, NASA’s Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope and ESA’s INTErnational Gamma Ray Astrophysics Laboratory (INTEGRAL), detected a short gamma-ray burst from the same area of the sky.


https://www.eso.org/public/usa/news/eso1733/

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:27 am
by bentech
really good article

And so the quantum race began. Qubits can be made in different ways, but the rule is that two qubits can be both in state A, both in state B, one in state A and one in state B, or vice versa, so there are four probabilities in total. And you won’t know what state a qubit is at until you measure it and the qubit is yanked out of its quantum world of probabilities into our mundane physical reality.



https://www.wired.com/story/inside-the- ... ters-work/

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 pm
by Intrinsic
Munchy wrote:don't judge the whole topic by one bad video
that's like saying one hoaxed UFO means they are all hoaxes
what do you guys think of the one by Thomas Van Flandern?


Right , i dont judge by one vid or any one source.
sorry i just don't have time or inclination, to watch most of the vids, Printed or published sources work better for me to review a subject.

Ok i viewed the Flandern vid and:

That vid keeps talking about curved space. But what einstein showed is space-time is curved not just space. the expert in the vid ignores time. Time IS not constant over any distance. That is why the math for orbits is so messy, that is why it means something to be a rocket scientist.

The rope crossing an orbit analogy, is odd. I understand curved space-time.
I do not understand why he thinks objects must be curved and not space.
He lost me. can anyone explain that one to me?

My feeling he trying to explain the universe in a Newtonian space but keeps talking about an Einstein space. In Newtonian space time is uniform.

When he said methane and formaldehyde are only formed from organics or volcanism. Not true both and many more organic molecules have been found in on asteroids and comets. If using that as one's premise for extraterrestrial life his conclusions are likely wrong.

It may be me, but that is why utube is a horrible source for education, printed material citing sources is my preferred venue (and hopefully peer reviewed). Even Wikipedia cites it's articles sources, otherwise it just guessing/making-things-up.
I suggest when you watch a vid, try to paraphrase or summarize what was said and concluded. If it is hard or confusing to do, suspect the source.

That whole face of mars has loooooong been debunked when NASA change the orbit of their imaging satellite for a hi-rez pic after public clamor for it. And no doubt it is a natural rock formation. For him going on about it still is at best disingenuous. I seen the hi-rez pic, it's a cooI rock formation, I even want to rock climb there.

Also anyone who says things such as “limitless source of free energy” is suspect fer sure.. Needs extraordinary proof.

Now I can relate to his misgivings about the present theories in physics and the quantum zoo, I too doubt we got it 100% right, but to give up on the scientific method to move forward and resort only to conjecture is disheartening to me.

as for gravity push theory and his and exploding planets are interesting, the idea is new to me, i would like to see some experiments to test it. tho i do not see how to.


my opinion fwiw.

Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it faked?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:32 am
by bentech
this guys good
gets around to how close they are to quantum gravity near the end

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03- ... ation-rand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRLDatmbgA

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:33 am
by Munchy
:deadhorse:

you guys do realize that this whole speed of gravity sidetrack is based merely on a random thought I had about how SSP vehicles could become invisible, right? Even if that idea is flawed, this does not mean that there is no SSP, nor that the Apollo missions actually went to the moon. I'm sure there are many other possibilities as to why we wouldn't see the SSP vehicles.

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:08 pm
by bentech
I realize its a sidestep to an avenue of enquiry which might offer a technical solution to the behavior or crafts both witnessed and imagined for which we presently have none as they all violate both the standard model and the quantum model

I still think the position of radiation experiment is tremendously intriguing
were talking several arc minutes if its the case and it seem it would be so easy to do and repeat and illustrate

would like to see that rather than just hear its occured

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:10 pm
by bentech
meanwhile

The Washington Post—citing the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), which tracks anti-science legislation—reported Monday that state legislators already have introduced more than a dozen measures targeting science education in 2019. That's more in less than three months than NCSE typically expects for an entire year.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/ ... n-analysis

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:23 pm
by Intrinsic
Munchy wrote::deadhorse:

you guys do realize that this whole speed of gravity sidetrack is based merely on a random thought I had about how SSP vehicles could become invisible, right? Even if that idea is flawed, this does not mean that there is no SSP, nor that the Apollo missions actually went to the moon. I'm sure there are many other possibilities as to why we wouldn't see the SSP vehicles.


Yes, but faulty premises, as i pointed out except by dumb luck, leaves to incorrect conclusions.

Ok Locutus, how about just summarize yer thoughts or some of the reason(s) why any ya think or evidence maybe the moon missions were faked.
or SSP's. Umm is SSP extraterrestrial craft, right?
I am interested on yer thoughts

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:54 pm
by Dick Fein
They were faked for the trillions of dollars that have been invested in it.
The Nazis control space and the deep state.
The triangle craft are visible in the infra red and the propulsion seems to be the same as on the early German models.

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:50 pm
by bentech
Nazi's undoubltedly control the deep state
or that is THE people who built and ran with the Nazi's

but what I don't get is why has it taken them so long to capitulate on the fall of their only opposition they ever faced
that being the soviets

seems to me that the industries needed to make a stab at the moon landing were all built and funded
so that money got spent rather than just stolen

at this juncture the only thing that makes sense is that these craft are hard pressed to move a pilot around
their incapable of cargo to the point that they cant even incorporate weapons

that would explain this not being a run-away technology

despite it being "run-away-ish"

Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it faked?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:34 am
by Dick Fein
Some of the Muellers moved to America in the 30's and became close to several presidents starting with FDR who was a drug kingpin, opium, the china trade.
Others escaped to Russia after the war. They took advanced technology with them in the form of sputnik.
They started the cold war.
and then we have Werner Van Braun to the rescue.
Roswell fits in there somewhere.
Allen Dulles was as fascist as they come.
There was Operation High jump and Operation Paperclip but there was also Operation Money clip. Getting the German money properly invested in US corporations. The Rockerfellers were instrumental in this.
They like the finer things too and want their children to attend the finest schools, so we have a form of peace, but if the catastrophe theory is true, the only survivors after the next cycle will be Aryan.
Maybe China has figured it out too and and that is why we really have tensions.

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:45 pm
by Munchy
Intrinsic wrote:Yes, but faulty premises, as i pointed out except by dumb luck, leaves to incorrect conclusions.

Ok Locutus, how about just summarize yer thoughts or some of the reason(s) why any ya think or evidence maybe the moon missions were faked.
or SSP's. Umm is SSP extraterrestrial craft, right?
I am interested on yer thoughts


SSP, Secret Space Program craft could be refurbished, back-engineered, and/or man-made, but they are ours. Sorry, I'm extremely backlogged with sales orders to be filled here, and some other personal issues... so no promises, but maybe I can find time next week.. but there's no short answer, as the enormous amount of various evidence is really key, so I would prefer if you watched the videos... especially the ones with footage of the astronauts allegedly on the moon, which no amount of words could possibly do justice to, but there are other smoking guns to see and hear as well. but I'm not here to argue, and I would never expect you to believe me, nor do I care whether you do or not, I'm just sharing what I've seen, and most of the vids are done by well educated speakers, PhD's and ex-military, etc, so you really need to just see what I've seen for yourself. or you're also welcome to blissfully enjoy your denial, which is fine and probably to be expected from the majority, especially older generations. I'd never expect to convince my parents of any of this either, as they are well set in their beliefs, so there's certainly no point in even trying. I can imagine though, that we probably have similar differences of opinion regarding many other issues such as 9-11 and Kennedy's assassination. and as much as I'd love to have nothing better to do than spend much time discussing all of this, I really gotta get back to work now, the post office closes in about 9 hours, and there's no way I can get all caught up on over 100 orders by then, including one real whopper, but I truly need to stay focused on that, before my paying customers start to complain. I probably shouldn't have even clicked the MyPG bookmark today.. my bad. peace-out :smoke:
ps: it's quite synchronistic that I just resumed watching this video at about 6+ min in... and what he said in the next 2 mins seemed rather fitting:

Re: Poll: Did Apollo missions go to the moon, or was it fake

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:26 pm
by Munchy
I'll admit that an interesting moon landing theory which I think I posted a video on by Richard Dolan, holds that they did go, but used fake footage and images, because the real stuff was damaged by the radiation, but that still doesn't explain how the astronauts handled the Van Allen belts themselves, which NASA states the Orion program currently cannot, since all the previous tech, data, and everything was conveniently destroyed. :rolleyes: maybe that also explains why they had to fake and screwed-up a bunch of the audio transmission delays, and hand out the petrified wood 'moon rocks' too... or not.