ukraine &EU v russia

[roller24]

SO ...
Are we cheering for escalation now? Or are we just flexing our aeronautic knowledge?
At what point do you think escalation will cease? Jets?
How will Russia respond? Do you think they will have a change of heart and retreat?
They will escalate. How will they do that? What follows hypersonic missiles?
Nuclear options have been on the table, and if Putin is the unstable villain portrayed by the media, do you think he won't launch?
The global complex stands to benefit greatly, and have a history of escalating conflict to increase profit margins. Escalation = $$$

Where are the leaders urging peaceful resolution? I'm sure they exist, but are drowned out by the Hawks.
Where are the blue helmets?
I haven't seen any. Aren't they usually sent in after a cease fire agreement to monitor? Like after the Minsk Accords?
Nowhere in site.
https://www.eurotopics.net/en/194774/bl ... rn-ukraine (3 articles from 2018, when they should have intervened.)

https://theglobeandmail.com/opinion/art ... -ukraine/ (2022...still mulling it over)

Where are the mass anti-war protests?
Several have formed but attendance is sparse.

Where is Jane Fonda?
Janes Twitter account is absent of any commentary on Ukraine, Jane's too busy shilling for Climate Change.

What democrats are standing on the anti-war stage?
The ones that seem to display a high level of intelligence and ability to adhere to principles over party.
According to Pew, a mere 5% of democrats strongly disapprove of the U.S. response thus far.


And before anyone claims that the Russian invasion was unprovoked, is either lying or greatly misinformed.
Maybe the war was created in nature, like Covid. It started in a borsch market located near a Russian military installation.

[Prawn Connery]

As I've said before, the people of Ukraine are fighting this war so it is not for you or I or anyone else to tell them to lay down arms. They didn't ask Putin to invade. He had no right to invade. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. If Russia invaded the US or Australia or anywhere else, we would all be doing the same and welcoming the support of our allies.

You tell me, roller: why should Putin get away with invading and killing his neighbours and laying their land to waste? Where is the justice?

And where were your Republicans when it came to the illegal invasion of Iraq? Were you calling for peace then? Or is it because there is not enough oil in Ukraine?

Hypocrites much?

[Intrinsic]

Maybe the war was created in nature, like Covid. It started in a borsch market located near a Russian military installation.

Nice, karma points


"What democrats are standing on the anti-war stage?"
I'm purty sure the anti-war crowd is saying

[Intrinsic]

Speaking of escalation..
Migs, typhoons, now there's. Hornets and Super Hornets maintaining a no-fly zone in the Baltic Sea.

[roller24]

viewtopic.php?p=72789&hilit=iraq#p72789

I'll put both wars on Bush, as he was wrong for ever attacking Iraq.
All parties involved are throwing in on the soup.

I propose a negotiated peace as opposed to escalation into global annihilation, and yall reply without any consideration to that lovely idea.
Very telling.


The West isn't standing in defense of the Ukranian people, they are sending them to their deaths in a proxy war that they provoked.
Your'e getting duped bigly.

[rSin]

their only response to 2+2=4 is to call it russian propaganda

so the position sails on without any reflection on it supposed tenants.

[Intrinsic]

I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian people, includng the ones who are continually joining the military fighting on the front lines. Are doing it for their children. Anybody else can wax about the lovely idea ukrainians giving up their kids' future, apparently the ukrainians are not listening.

what's that quote .. it is better to live on your knees then die on your feet..
You do know what war crimes Putin was just charged for?

[dill786]

Jens Stoltenberg the Secretary General of NATO has already stated that the Ukrainians are going to be totally out of 55mm artillery ammunition in the summer,

50 nations involved in helping out the Ukrainians, how can they be running out of 50mm ammunition !! this is why it will be over in late summer

unlike the Russians who are producing 420,000 rounds a month of artillery.... the Ukrainian army is in a total collapse so desperate they are kidnapping 15-year-old kids from the street and sending them to the front line in bakhmut where they live for 4 hours before dying, its Zelensky who should be charged with war crimes kidnapping and sending children to war..

1 trillion dollars of damage has been done in this war to the Ukraine infrastructure, wonder whos picking up the bill for it !!

[Intrinsic]

The Russian Foreign Ministry stated today that they are prepared to discuss “Really Serious Propositions” with the Ukrainian Government and other Western Nations to assist with Ending the War in Ukraine.

Sure easy peasy.
There is no need for negotiation. They don't need Ukraine or Western Nations to assist . D'OH!
Comes to a question how much land in Mother Russia will Putin be willing to give up for peace.
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[Prawn Connery]

viewtopic.php?p=72789&hilit=iraq#p72789

I'll put both wars on Bush, as he was wrong for ever attacking Iraq.
All parties involved are throwing in on the soup.

I propose a negotiated peace as opposed to escalation into global annihilation, and yall reply without any consideration to that lovely idea.
Very telling.


The West isn't standing in defense of the Ukranian people, they are sending them to their deaths in a proxy war that they provoked.
Your'e getting duped bigly.

roller, lot's of people have already proposed negotiated peace settlements, including Russia's biggest ally, China.

The problem is, neither side are willing to give in at this stage. Ukraine won't renounce any of its land – and nor should it (IMO) – while Putin has already annexed four oblasts and won't give them up for fear of embarrassment.

So the only other solution is for Ukraine to try to retake its land forcibly, or give Russia a big enough bloody nose that it voluntarily withdraws.

In truth, what this is is a civil war between western Ukraine and eastern, Russian-speaking Ukraine. If you look at the voting history of Ukraine, it has always been that way.

Russia (Putin) is in fact the one who escalated this war in the first place, from tacit military support for the Donbas region to full-scale invasion. Putin can use NATO as an excuse all it likes, but he has merely proven all those former eastern bloc countries right to want to join NATO as he invaded Ukraine and apparently planned to also continue into Moldova.