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Post by smokebreaks »

Fight nice kids.

I know the ‘rona is real.

I know I had a wicked bad case before they said the virus was even acknowledged to be running wild here in the states.

I know of healthy people who died from it.

I know of people who are still fucked up months later.

I got my shots because I ain’t afraid of science and ain’t none of us gonna live forever anyhow.

Pfizer was my dose.

Again, no ill effects whatsoever.
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smokebreaks wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:08 pm
Fight nice kids.

I know the ‘rona is real.

I know I had a wicked bad case before they said the virus was even acknowledged to be running wild here in the states.

I know of healthy people who died from it.

I know of people who are still fucked up months later.

I got my shots because I ain’t afraid of science and ain’t none of us gonna live forever anyhow.

Pfizer was my dose.

Again, no ill effects whatsoever.
Some people are double dosing ! That shit's wild!

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I woke up today feeling like a million and 1/2 dollars.

The air is so fresh, and the wind is so much crisp. Anybody else experience this or is that just me?

I downloaded an app to schedule some VAXX ACTION.

Plant seed & be free.

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Where Are The China Virus White Knigters?!?! China Continues To Murder...

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WhiteHotAfterburner wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:25 pm
...CHINA PURPOSELY unleashed...
To be fair, that is debatable.
BUT, intentional or unintentional, it does appear that China is developing bio-weapons, that the US and other countries have been helping with.

Something does not smell right...that's for sure.

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Butcher Bob wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:21 pm
WhiteHotAfterburner wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:25 pm
...CHINA PURPOSELY unleashed...
To be fair, that is debatable.
BUT, intentional or unintentional, it does appear that China is developing bio-weapons, that the US and other countries have been helping with.

Something does not smell right...that's for sure.
Respectfully, sir.

After the Chinese Government discovered they had unleashed the China Virus, they purposely prohibited travel to Wahun but had purposely allowed unfettered travel out of the area in to the greater world purposely spreading the China Virus day after day, week after week, month after month for 18+ months as tens of thousands, then hundreds of thousands, to now 4,036,857 dead globally, without providing any information on the Wuhan Virus the Chinese Government knew they had unleashed...

Foolish Fauci and the other ghouls in that circle should be in jail awaiting trial for our involvement in ANY of it WITH China. Foolishness after foolishness.

Smells like rotting, oozing corpses through China's and our NIH's/NGO's bloody hands!

I hope they, theirs and ours, rot like the millions of innocents they're murdered.

Again, with purposed respect! :winky:

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its not even close to that

the wuhan lab is bl4

covid hardly rates bl2 let alone 3


more interesting for meat eaters is why the USA was funding that wuhan biolab in the first place...
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WhiteHotAfterburner wrote:
Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:20 pm
Respectfully, sir.

...Chinese Government...purposely prohibited travel to Wahun but had purposely allowed unfettered travel out of the area in to the greater world...
We're good WHAB...:)...we're just discussing the finer points that don't really matter in the big picture.

Whether it's escape from the lab was intentional or unintentional, doesn't really matter. The mere fact they were working on such a thing is the overwhelming crime. Once leaked, the travel restrictions/requirements does not surprise me. Rather than think it was an effort to intentionally spread the contagion, I think it more reasonable that China didn't want any "spies" coming in to investigate, and wanted any foreigners to leave...you know, cover shit up. Just my current thought on it. :dunno:

But I think we're on the same page that all involved with the creation, and deceit all around, should be appropriately dealt with. :toker1:

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The Role of Antibodies in the Light of the Theory of Evolution

By Dr. Hélène Banoun
Global Research, August 03, 2021
African Journal of Biological Sciences 5 July 2021


Abstract

The phenomenon of facilitation of viral infections by antibodies (ADE antibody dependent enhancement) as well as the resistance of agammaglobulinemia patients to certain viruses are in contradiction with the protective role of antibodies affirmed by classical immunology. This must be compared to the opsonizing antibodies that promote the specific phagocytosis of extra-cellular bacteria. However, questions about the role of antibodies have been raised since the beginning of the history of immunology.

More recently, Pierre Sonigo has shed light on the contradictions between the finalist interpretation of the role of lymphocytes and the theory of evolution: how can it be explained that cells are selected to protect the organism they constitute? The role of anti-viral and antiintracellular bacteria antibodies could be to allow phagocytosis by the cells: either directly by the Fc fragment of immunoglobulins, or via the complement for many cell types. This makes it easy to understand the selection of antibodysecreting cells. Natural selection favors the cells that produce the most affine Ig and thus guides the maturation of the proB cell to the plasma cell.

A review of recent publications in theoretical immunology is consistent with this hypothesis. The theory of evolution should be integrated at every level of research and teaching in immunology, as it is for biology as a whole.

Introduction

The phenomenon of antibody facilitation of viral infections has recently been re-discussed in relation to the clinical aspect of Covid-19 (Yushun et al., 2020 and Banoun, 2020) and vaccines against this infection (Roper and Rehm, 2009). Antibody dependent enhancement is the accepted mechanism to explain severe reinfections due to dengue virus—among others—(Taylor et al., 2015) as well as the higher occurrence of severe dengue in vaccinated (compared to unvaccinated, Feinberg and Ahmed, 2017).

This effect of antibodies appears to contradict immunological theory, which states that the “role” of antibodies is to protect organisms against pathogens, including viruses.

However, contradictory observations have long been noted.

Already in 1956, a review was published (Good and Zak, 1956) which referred to “the clinical paradox posed by the apparently satisfactory resistance of patients with agammaglobulinemia to certain viral infections and the failure of their response to the virus antigen…. ”. As noted by Burnet (1968), measles immunity is independent of antibodies, but depends solely on cellular immunity. The same demonstration has recently been made for immunity to VSV (vesicular stomatitis virus, Moseman et al., 2012).

These observations have been reviewed by Sanna and Burton (2000). They are criticized because all patients diagnosed wuth aγglobulinemia would have received IM immunoglobulin as early as the early 1950s, and thus the complete null phenotype has been little studied. The authors suggest that the treatment given to these patients indicates that antibodies may play a role in viral infections. Some viral infections that these patients developed before treatment virtually disappeared after the initiation of treatment. However, it cannot be denied that the aγglobulinemia patients were discovered by the bacterial infections they developed and not by the viral infections.

It appears that humoral immunity plays a role in HSV (Herpes simplex virus, neurologically disseminated enterovirus) infections for viruses with nervous tropism and for persistent viral infections.

Moreover, it is difficult to attribute the discovery of an infection in an antibody deficient patient to a particular virus: the serological diagnosis is inoperative; it was necessary to wait for the culture of the viruses and especially the PCR to affirm a viral infection.

Therefore, this last publication does not call into question the first observations on aγglobulinemia patients: patients are very sensitive to bacterial infections and for the majority of viral infections, their sensitivity is comparable to that of the general population.

Much more recently, the pandemic at Covid-19 has mobilized thousands of researchers and allowed significant advances in immunology and virology. One study compared serologies and cell type immunity in Covid-19 index patients and their contacts: only index patients became seropositive, but both groups showed robust and specific cell type reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 (the virus responsible for Covid-19) (Gallais et al., 2020).

Similarly Sekine et al. (2020) showed that most individuals with asymptomatic or moderate Covid-19 generated highly functional durable memory T-cell responses in the absence of a corresponding humoral response.

The role of antibodies in bacterial infections is well established in the defense against extracellular bacterial infections (as opposed to intracellular infections) (Berche, 1988). The frequency of infections in patients with genetic abnormalities of phagocytes is indicative of the importance of phagocytosis.

Bacteria, once phagocytized, are degraded and then exocytosed, making the antigens accessible to the cells of adaptive immunity. The antibodies then act by promoting phagocytosis, which is the natural process of fighting pathogenic bacteria: they are opsonizing antibodies, another term for facilitators. Could the neutralization and agglutination of bacteria observed in vitro not occur in vivo?

Complement (a group of serum proteins) plays an important role in phagocytosis. These proteins act on the one hand by binding to specific antibodies, but complement is also activated by the alternating pathway induced directly by surface bacterial antigens: lipopolysaccarides, capsule polyosides, lipotechoic acids, and this in the absence of antibodies.

However, as with viral infections, the first line of defense is innate immunity: during a primary infection it takes 7 to 10 days to mount a specific humoral reaction, and it is non-specific phagocytosis that operates first. A good example is pneumococcal pneumonia. Pneumococcus is a commensal upper airway bacterium that becomes pathogenic when it acquires a phagocytosis-resistant capsule. In young adults the evolution is typical: after incubation of 1 to 3 days, a sudden onset, high fever, cough, the evolution is favorable in 8-10 days with a sudden improvement. This improvement corresponds to the appearance of specific antibodies. The inflammatory (polynuclear) reaction aided by the opsonizing specific antibodies will destroy the pneumococci and lead to healing.

How can this opsonizing role of antibacterial antibodies be related to the phenomenon of the facilitation of viral infections by the antibodies?

Pierre Sonigo, one of the discoverers of the AIDS virus in the 1980s, reflected on the theory of immunology and the problems it poses in relation to the theory of evolution (Kupiec and Sonigo, 2003).

Before giving a brief summary of his theses, a historical overview of this science can account for the theoretical gaps that accompanied its birth.

Read the full peer-reviewed article here.

https://www.afjbs.com/files/1627021759_ ... p_1-9).pdf
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The Cutter incident
On April 12, 1955 the government announced the first vaccine to protect kids against polio. Within days, labs had made thousands of lots of the vaccine. Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak.

More than 200,000 children got the polio vaccine, but within days the government had to abandon the program.

“Forty thousand kids got polio. Some had low levels, a couple hundred were left with paralysis, and about 10 died,” said Dr. Howard Markel, a pediatrician, distinguished professor, and director of the Center for the History of Medicine at the University of Michigan. The government suspended the vaccination program until it could determine what went wrong.

However, increased oversight failed to discover another problem with the polio vaccine.

Monkey trouble
From 1955 to 1963, between 10% and 30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40).

“The way they would grow the virus was on monkey tissues. These rhesus macaques were imported from India, tens of thousands of them,” medical anthropologist S. Lochlann Jain said. “They were gang caged and in those conditions, the ones that didn’t die on the journey, many got sick, and the viruses spread quickly,” added Jain, who taught a history of vaccines course at Stanford and is working on a publication about the incident. Scientists wrongly thought the formaldehyde they used would kill the virus. “It was being transferred to millions of Americans,” Jain said.
It's ok to be skeptical of science, it's ok to doubt science. It's best even to challenge science. Science is fluid, and often wrong.
Science gave us corn flakes, that same scientist Kellogg, was wrong on more than he was right. Science also gave us gunpowder.
What's not right is silencing, ridiculing, berating, or diminishing any opposing challenge to science. If this were a good thing, the flat earthers, would not be a fringe you tube phenomenon.
I'm with the Butcher. This stinks. I'll accept science when all the data is in, but forcing it on me will get someone injured.

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