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Know about their offshore
Concentration camps
For refugees?

Criminalizing journalism

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Austrailias national security craze...
the intolerance of the old order is emerging from the rosy mist in which it has hitherto been obscured.

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Yep, another Conservative fuck-tard government in action. The offshore detention is inhumane, no doubt, and a lot of Aussies are selfish, racist cunts who believe no-one should be allowed into the country anyway, but there is more than one side to the argument.

Australia resettles more UNHCR refugees per capita than any other country. Nearly all those being detained offshore have come by boat, and arrived in Australia after the country announced new legislation stating no-one who arrived by boat would ever be able to settle. Those detained can go back to their own country any time they wish. And most of the arrivals have been healthy young men, many deemed to be economic migrants. Indeed, nearly all boat arrivals come from Indonesia, where some have been living for years, waiting to get on a people-smuggling boat. You could argue that they already had safe passage in Indonesia.

That in no way condones their treatment, but it does explain why there isn't much sympathy for them in Australia, even amongst those who are not right-wing fascists. But there's also the counter-argument that many of those who arrive can't go through official refugee channels anyway – as they are being told to do – because there are no such channels, or it is too risky to apply in certain places. So they would have genuine fear of persecution. But one thing appears certain, and that is there are no more boat arrivals.
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To be fair, since the US shoots at journalists and arrests them live on the air as our military bombs hospitals and ambulances, we haven't anywhere near any moral authority... and the international community is powerless to do anything about the US because the US won't recognize international courts or laws. [George W. Bush made sure of that]

They need to find violations of maritime law to do anything of substances... so that's any interesting topic.

Prawn what's the mention of arrival by boat? These people seeking asylum? Shame peoples are really being hand fed this nationalism shit haven't a clue as to the benefit of global collaborations. What a fucking bunch of rubes people are, aren't they?
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Most telling is
Refugees volunteering to remained in irons

Rather than the free flight home


Cuz no matter what hell the ofshore is

It pales to what the
Unmolested dollar
Is doing
From whence they justly fled...
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smokebreaks wrote:To be fair, since the US shoots at journalists and arrests them live on the air as our military bombs hospitals and ambulances, we haven't anywhere near any moral authority... and the international community is powerless to do anything about the US because the US won't recognize international courts or laws. [George W. Bush made sure of that]

They need to find violations of maritime law to do anything of substances... so that's any interesting topic.

Prawn what's the mention of arrival by boat? These people seeking asylum? Shame peoples are really being hand fed this nationalism shit haven't a clue as to the benefit of global collaborations. What a fucking bunch of rubes people are, aren't they?
Well, we're an island, so there are only two ways to get here: by plane or boat.

If you are a genuine refugee as assessed by the UNHCR, then you get a plane ticket to Australia. If you are not, then you take your chances with people-smugglers. That usually means a boat arrival from Indonesia. By legislating that no-one who arrives by boat will ever be settled in Australia – regardless of their refugee claims or eventual status (genuine or not) – then that leaves them with only one choice: apply through official channels.

This is not exactly fair, as official channels do not exist in all areas of conflict, and there are inherent dangers in applying in some areas. However, there are also dangers in arriving by boat. Many people have been killed trying to sail to Australia. Perhaps even more have been killed upon reaching the coast and being smashed against reef and rocks. There are many cases of this, and so the current Neo-Fascist government used this as an excuse to introduce the legislation saying it would "save lives and put people smugglers out of business".

They were right – it stopped the boats. Though they also failed to inform the Australian public that many boats have been turned away upon entering Australian waters by the Navy and Boarder Force (Coastguard), so it is perhaps not the deterrent they claim it to be.
rSin wrote:Most telling is
Refugees volunteering to remained in irons

Rather than the free flight home


Cuz no matter what hell the ofshore is

It pales to what the
Unmolested dollar
Is doing
From whence they justly fled...
You are right. Many have returned home. But many still choose to remain – originally under the belief the law would eventually change and if they just waited it out they would be allowed to enter, but also because now NZ and the US have both offered to resettle them. The Australian Government is not very happy about this, as it believes it sends a message that if you arrive in Australia by boat from Indonesia, you will go to NZ or the US.

Perhaps the flip side of the argument is, if you are already living safely in Indonesia, then why do you need to continue to Australia? If you are a genuine refugee – and not an economic migrant – then surely safe settlement is safe settlement.

In reality, most boat arrivals have paid thousands of dollars to people smugglers and/or gangsters along the way and are likely scared of the reprisals if they can't pay it back. Or perhaps they have sold everything they own to pay for the journey and can't accept returning to their own countries with nothing, having promised family and friends they would make their fortune in Australia and send for them later.
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this was a while back but i can clearly remember some Afghan refugees were headed down under and the Aussies put them on an island to process them, some of the Afghan refugees sowed their eyelids shut in protest about being kept on the island for ages.
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What was the word on that massive
System wide hacker attack
That the state suffered?

Havnt seen anything since
The news broke the day it started...
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