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seen several males in the wild that nobody had noticed and they had finished.
dropped all their pollen

never saw anything like that on em though
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good thread...
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Oh Yeah? Did you see that pic of rsin? Scares the crap out of me to this day.
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I go by smell last but important MOMMY DADDY SURE STINKS A LOT!

That indicates potential potency. For example I bread a chemo x chemo. Chose the male by his stout stalk and mult branching and he stank when I sniffed him.

So far growing out the babies I have yet to be disappointed.
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Ah, genetics. There's nothing wrong with smoking males to determine potency - though we all know "potency" is not the same as "quality of high". So it comes down to what are you trying to achieve when you cross two plants?

Do you want the progeny to be like the male? Like the female? A combination of the two? And if a combination of the two, then which traits do you want from each?

If you're smoking males to determine potency, does that imply your females aren't potent enough?

I'm not a geneticist, but I've made a few decent hacks over the years and my main criteria for a male is to find something that compliments my female in as many respects as I can find, except the traits I wish to change in the female.

So for example I have a nice female with a particular high, smell, taste, rate of growth (yield) and structure, but it has week branches that don't support their weight very well. What I'm now looking for in a male is something very similar in terms of high, smell, taste and structure etc, but with stronger branches.

What I'm looking for in the progeny is to lock down what I already have, but to improve on a particular aspect by introducing a male that has almost everything I've already got - plus the desirable trait I want to introduce.

Back-crossing and cubing is a good way to do this, as well as line breeding (if you have the space and time!), and testing is the only way to find how different combinations of genes express themselves. However, you can certainly narrow things down by using a male that shares many of the common traits in the female you wish to retain.

So by all means, smoke those males to find something that compliments your females, but don't expect any of your plants to pass on only their good traits!

A lot of good race horses have been born of average parents - it's all in the combination of genes, and not necessarily those that are obviously expressed . . .
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I recall back when I was sure I was going to be a breeder
right after I started growing I assumed

the older I get the time and space it takes to do anything keeping demanding more and more time and space to seem reasonable effective

the number of plants you have to perpetuate which you finish one of their examples to the point its worth smoking to see if its a keep seems ridiculous!

hard to believe anyone gets anything accomplished inside of a decade...
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8yrs and that one has not been bested, a few have been tried but didnt pan out. The breeding slowed but didnt stop, every new female and male takes a day to test then maybe another day then a season out for her final test. potency and quality of high are judged at the same time and mean the same thing. males are smoked to ensure the next gen does not slip backwards. only one quality from the male matters, his potency. backcrossing has proven to be a waste of time, progeny testing is unnessasary, as what went in is known you just have to find it. we all have differing goals

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Still the same, G girl
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lookin good!
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