WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Residence

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Try this: https://www.dvorsons.com/parts/wolf/sea ... challenger

Good morning, my friend!

I have tried the Dvorson's site several different ways looking for that griddle. I bought my Natural Gas to Liquid Propane conversion kit from them. I spent days with them (Jena - sales rep) trying to figure out what knob to put on the griddle valve. No luck with that. The knobs don't match what is on the range. Two different valve stem styles. I suspect that either someone changed the valve or one wing of the D-Style valve stem was broken off. They were insistent on selling me a D-Style knob and the valve stem I have I would call (for lack of another term because I can't find it called anything else) a "I" or 'Bayonet' style valve stem. I'm sure Jena got pretty frustrated with our relationship .

I don't blame them but, they don't use Wolf, Vulcan, Viking part #s. They have created their own part #s. They do this to make it more difficult to go and find the parts elsewhere using their stock #s for better prices and use their site with their part #s. I totally get it - it's sort of like they've created their own "proprietary" parts catalog for the parts you need.

For example: https://www.dvorsons.com/parts/wolf/wol ... cordID=282 Their DVOR-1465 is really a 714215-2, which is a Wolf C34S Venturi part #. They're asking $187.00 for their DVOR-1465 that I found and bought elsewhere as a 714215-2 for $40 (unusually under-priced - a second one cost me $120) using the Wolf part #.

I do appreciate the assist, OJ!

I'm getting my Cappuccino on , then hitch up my trailer and go get my gear (thumb is feeling better). Two hours one way. I'll be back later.

Make it a great day!

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WHAB

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NOW I 'really' get it about the seasoning of the griddle. Last night when it was cooling down but not cooled down I ran a utensil across it and it was sticky, gummy.

Just now on my way to my Espresso (Rocket Fuel) machine, I ran my hand over it and it is slicker than snail snot!

I'm thinking 'maybe' a few more oil spreads and scorchings 'may' fill in the portions of the surface that are rough and pitted - maybe. (more cooking oil and paper towels - I'm telling ya, folks, they're gonna have to boost production to satisfy my needs alone and in the process boost your investment! )

Finish this...

...then I'll make a cup of Rocket Fuel for the road and I'm outtie!

Again, make it a great day!

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WHAB

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Medical Supplies

See ya tonight! (or sooner, depending).

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WHAB

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Good thing I brought Medical Supplies. I needed them . Got through the whole loading and tarping done and split my thumb back open hooking the cargo net in place. Was bleeding all over the place before I could stop long enough to wash it off, rinse it down and bandage it up - with the help of my BIL. Everything on the trailer except for 4 Willys Station Wagon rims (with ratty tires on them) I loaded myself. My BIL did help with the tires and rims. I need them for my Willys Wagon that's already here.

I just got back (when I first started composing this message). Thumb has HAD a YUGE bandage on it (twice the size of the one I put on the other day). Can't get into my phone. Can't take a picture of the load on this end. I can't get into my phone. That thumbprint is my security code

Edit: I had to take the bandage off to get into my phone to even Bluetooth to my PC the pictures I took before I opened the wound up.

But, I'm pretty sure I got everything I needed plus some things I grabbed just in case I may need them. A small hood (I don't remember what size it supports) and a (from memory) 400W MH High Bay. Someone in Colorado unrelated to the community gave it to me - the same guy I bought that trailer from. It's a brand new fixture, still in its original box.

I also brought all 18 of my buckets but probably won't ever be growing that many here...probably. *subject to change *

The blue barrel here in the back right corner is the reservoir. The buckets are right next to the barrel but you can't see them in that shot.

Then some of my Willys parts. I have a full set of hardboard interior panels right there, un-upholstered. And extra glass and other parts. Doors, bumpers, leaf springs...etc.

The other fender.

There is a front end in there too...on the blue barrel back in the first image.

You'll notice the cloning machine someone here made for me. They got the materials, labored over it AND shipped it to me out of pocket!!! I don't remember the members handle Thank you, thank you, thank you (IF it's you give me a holler, please!)...it's going back into service!

You'll see I even brought my 1000W HPS ballast. I am hoping I don't have to use it. I hope to switch to LED. But, DAMN, they're still VERY expensive!!! So, IF I can't swing LED's the 1000W HPS is going back into service. I know I saw a box with the bulbs I need made it onto the trailer. I have a vertical socket for the 1000W HPS. I hope it made it on the trailer. The reflector for the 1000W HPS is there, I saw itl. Nutrients and my PH testers are in there too. I'm not sure the nutrients are still good. I'm hoping the PH testers are *crosses fingers*.

I was done getting things out of the storage unit, but not done putting things in the trailer. Still had to get the rims from another location. It's close by so I didn't tie anything down. In fact, it's not even finally packed.

Then on this end.

I can't even type with this damn thing on my thumb....I'm going to try and take it off and IF I don't bleed out, get in my phone at least.

I went for the rims and my grow gear and brought a bunch of tools and shop cabinets I need. I did not intend to bring the cabinets. One is actually pretty neat. I'm sure it came out of a shop.

It's sort or raining out there now so I'm going to leave it until I get up tomorrow.

Gonna try and remove that flap of skin on my thumb now that I have it opened up again...

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WHAB

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Flat-Out raining now. I looked earlier and I didn't see rain forecasted. Just now I heard rain hitting the building. I can't hear a normal rain hitting the building. The roof is so tall (and it even starts 11-1/2 feet off the floor) and the double stacked bricks walls I can't hear very much of the outside at all. When I heard it I was puzzled at first, but yep...flat-out raining.

Good decision to tarp the load (even though I did it for other reasons) and a great decision to stay indoors for the evening!!!

Time for a *not Volcano, wish it was. Just a trusty old Arizer Extreme Q*

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WHAB

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Good afternoon!

Our friend Oldjoints was able to find the Wolf C34S griddle yesterday. It was located on this site https://expertappliance.com/partfinder- ... elite3.php using the root part # 924012-0.

That site has created their own part # as well - Z9-924012-0-49WW.

Thank you ever so much, my friend!

I don't know any more than the slim information on that page. No picture. No dimensions...etc.

They have a price of $485.04 on their page.

IF I need to replace the griddle and I can't find it elsewhere for less I will avail myself of the information Oldjoints discovered for me.

I am going to contact the company to see if they can give me more information to make sure this is in fact the right part. IF I have to replace this one I'll sell one of my children to get it!

I do note they list it as "GENUINE WOLF UPDATED DESIGN GRIDDLE PLATE". The "updated" does intrigue me. I'm really curious as to what the update could possibly be. It's a hunk of steel with a runoff chute.

Thanks again for taking the trouble, brother...I do greatly appreciate it!



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WHAB

[dill786]

never knew what a griddle was till today......

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never knew what a griddle was till today......

Hey dill !

As I understand it, a person can cook an entire meal on one; main and side dishes (multiple side dishes) all at the same time (with consideration of variable cook times). I have not used one in that capacity, yet.

Sort of like Mongolian Barbecue.

If anyone is not familiar with Mongolian Barbecue, they are restaurants where as you went in you made the selections you wanted cooked (as many as you wanted that fit in one bowl) and then they would put all those ingredients on a large (somewhat convexed I think - old memory) round griddle and as they completed one trip around this circular griddle your meal was ready.

These are similar to that except they're not circular nor convexed (if my memory is clear on the Mongolian Barbecue being dome shaped).

I do look forward to trying this griddle. And, if it really does maintain a "non-stick" surface it 'should' making clean-up easier and any labor saving tools like that that I can have are all the better.

I will not be providing Mongolian Barbecue, probably

Make it a great day, dill!

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WHAB

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Good afternoon!

Our friend Oldjoints was able to find the Wolf C34S griddle yesterday. It was located on this site https://expertappliance.com/partfinder- ... elite3.php using the root part # 924012-0.

That site has created their own part # as well - Z9-924012-0-49WW.

Thank you ever so much, my friend!

I don't know any more than the slim information on that page. No picture. No dimensions...etc.

They have a price of $485.04 on their page.

IF I need to replace the griddle and I can't find it elsewhere for less I will avail myself of the information Oldjoints discovered for me.

I am going to contact the company to see if they can give me more information to make sure this is in fact the right part. IF I have to replace this one I'll sell one of my children to get it!

I do note they list it as "GENUINE WOLF UPDATED DESIGN GRIDDLE PLATE". The "updated" does intrigue me. I'm really curious as to what the update could possibly be. It's a hunk of steel with a runoff chute.

Thanks again for taking the trouble, brother...I do greatly appreciate it!



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WHAB

I did contact the above mentioned retailer - thanks again, Oldjoints!, but didn't have any success in clearly identifying that this griddle on this range is the griddle they're offering. They could not provide even basic information. They could not tell me which griddle surface the one that they're selling had. There are two, I am finding; one stainless steel and the other is has chrome surface. They also couldn't tell what the "UPDATED DESIGN".

They could not even give me the dimensions of the griddle they want me to pay $485.04 for .

They made sure to inform me that there is a one year warranty on the item. As if to say., buy it - and if you don't like it, send it back

*here's to this griddle functioning to its best ability in light of its previously harsh life (I'm sure never cleaned, stored for a time out in the weather) *

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WHAB

[Oldjoints]

Get a pumice brick, they are cheap and work better than anything else. Use when griddle is hot for best results.

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Get a pumice brick, they are cheap and work better than anything else. Use when griddle is hot for best results.

It was one of the first thing I bought in anticipation of using the griddle at some point in the future. It turns out it is not "Pumice". It is fiberglass. I only found one that is actually Pumice - $35 for 2 x Grill Cleaning Pumice Bricks + Aluminum Grill Brick Holder. I already have an Aluminum Grill Brick Holder. I bought it along with my what I thought was a pumice brick. I tightened it down when I first received it. I tightened it down as tight as I thought was reasonable without crushing it. The first time I used it the handle came off. The tighter you make it the more it seems to crush the "pumice". I stopped at a certain point because of concern of crushing it to a point of making it unusable.

It is being offered by U.S. Pumice, so I'm 'assuming' that means it's actually pumice and not fiberglass. A skeptical .

I don't like the idea of dragging fiberglass across my cooking surface.

And, I did use the stone on this grill. BUT, I used it before I really knew how to use it. I used it as a means of removing surface imperfections in the rough condition it was in when I received it. I used it dry. It left behind a BUNCH of whatever it leaves behind

I understand now that it should be used with a fluid. Water or Cooking Oil. I will try that when it comes to cleaning it. However, I'll likely try just using a soft scrub brush first. A scrub brush is one of the recommendations I have found. I like the idea of keeping the surface they way it is. In my mind, it would seem using any stone on the surface I have now would reduce that surface to something less 'non-stick'. And, yes...they do recommend you use the brick when the griddle is hot

I don't really know any of this for certain except for what I personally experienced described above. Gonna have to sort this out as I go along and exercise a tenet of Lean Manufacturing; Continuous Improvement. Continuous Improvement is trying something, if it works you keep it, if it doesn't work you try something else. With the goal of eliminating inefficiencies and improve efficiencies, reducing waste and labor time lost.

Man, this turned out to be a long post for such a simple item

Take very good care, Oldjoints!

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WHAB

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I didn't see these items when I loaded the trailer. I saw this box. I saw briefly what was in this box, after I got the rims out. The rims were on the end of the trailer. This box was right next to the rims and obviously soaked through and has me really concerned for the other boxes and 2 cabinets I have laying on their backs on the trailer. Everything else is water resistant.

Environs has inhibited devoted unloading - that and I only just now figured out what 'might' work. If it doesn't (Continuous Improvement), I'll try something else.

Here's the weather for the next few days, tomorrow colder than today

This is me figuring it out...

This is where I bed down.

I don't have my bed here, it's in storage. It's a double sized Captains Bed (storage underneath). Not sure it would fit anywhere here in that portion of the main space devoted to residing Partly because how the loft is constructed. There are posts within the field/space under the loft. Likely to provide extra support for the loft floor joists but they're 2x6s with 12 inch spacing and I would think that span does not exceed a 2x6 span loads. Before tonight I was considering putting the bed (mattress - ready to build Red Oak bed frame; two potential options; build it with rough cut wood without milling any of the sides; or waiting to get my machines next month) up on the loft and grow everything under the loft. It's foot print maybe large enough for my bed IF I move the 3 posts to the wall, though.

But, thinking of flowering in a space 70 inches tall doesn't make a whole lot of sense when I have a spacious attic space with primarily wooden gable ends from which to exit any grow system operations. I haven't measured the height of the attic, but a guess would be approximately 144 inches (twice the height under the loft. The roof is 12/12, with most of if covering a 30 foot wide building (whatever the math is, I have not researched it)).

I can pop seeds or clone up on the loft (60 inches tall) (I'll build some walls up there on top of the knee wall that's already there (2 sided). Then it will up the Modified Ship's Ladder, a stop at the seed popping/clone starting a vegetative space, the up what will be an attic ladder up to the flower space. I'll post what I have to work with very soon.

It rained very hard yesterday. Freezing today. Cardboard boxes on horizontal surfaces catching rain is never good.

After I removed the rims I in part made the trip to the storage unit for...

*I just now noticed while reviewing this image that it looks like I only got 2 of the big hole rims I need. It was dark out in his boneyard. But, I kept asking - "Is it a big hole rim?" "Is it a big hole rim?". Dang it!!! That's what I guess I get for trusting a BIL for anything!!! *

I grabbed the box above.

I didn't see these items when I briefly scanned the contents of this box. I have been wondering ever since I loaded the trailer with what I thought was everything I needed, I wondered IF I'd ever find the 1000W horizontal socket and/or the pump for the hydroponic bucket system. When I looked deeper into the box right before I started composing this post I saw both of them. Included are a set of 400W MH and HPS bulbs (undoubtedly for the horizontal hood I loaded up). Oh, also in that box is a wall-hung oscillating fan, which from memory, was not easy to purchase (memory - subject to change ). It may have been cost prohibitive at the time

So, as far as gear, I think I got it all.

Next is to get up in the attic and check things out. First on the list of using the attic as a flowering space is access. Much like the lack of access to the loft (straight up and tree house style ladder with its rungs TOO WIDELY spaced! Wow!!!) that I had to build the Modified Ship's Ladder there is no built-in access to the attic. It's only 60 inches tall but, that's too high a step for this high stepper!!! )

I have looked at buying one online BUT, I don't have one in hand and I don't know by reading words if I can cut off the bottom of a manufactures Attic Ladder to fit in this space. It's difficult for me to buy something like that online IF I can't get a full sense of its form. I have seriously considered making one. However, right now, building materials are obscenely high. Common Studs were $7 to $9 each. OSB over $30+. And, again, right now, with the raw stock that I have on hand, if would be rough cut lumber. I can size it all day long, and I'm eager to show you all my setup. I can't face anything. I mean I have a No.7 Jointer Plane BUT, it was advertised as Great Condition and it has a broken mouth AND, that's a lot of work. I wouldn't mind committing to it IF I had a good hand tool method. I don't. My machines are weeks away and THEN they'll need to be cleaned up, waxed up and adjusted.

I found something at around $117 (memory) and that is pretty reasonable considering it comes with everything you'd need to build one, hardware...etc.

Then I have to install it. A final consideration to that end is the bottom chord of the roof trusses are on 24 inch centers WITH strapping perpendicular to the trusses about 24 inches on center that the ceiling panels are attached to. I likely won't be able to get 4x8 construction materials up there.

Side note: I have discussed wiring the shop with the electrician I had install the lighting (again, no ceiling lights in the obvious places one would consider normal to put lights ) BUT I also threw in some electrical wiring that 'may' seem odd except for in a woodshop. 20 and 30 amp dedicated circuits up in the attic. 20 amp or 30 amp dedicated circuits under the loft. A dedicated 30 amp circuit out the North West window (Dust Collection) and several 220V outlets around the perimeter of the shop area. Oh, and some 120V outlets out around the exterior, out of doors. Front deck is a concept at the point but IF I'm going to have an electrician here I am trying to think ahead.

The rims are for this.

A 1962 Willys Wagon. It is the most rust free Willys Wagon I have ever seen. The last time I worked on it (a couple of years ago) the only rust on it were two small areas at the bottom areas behind the doors. These things are normally rust buckets. This one is not.

And, it's special in another regard. It has this.

It is a 1962 6-230 Willys Wagon. It's the one with the single piece curved windshield. It has the 6 cylinder Tornado engine in it. The Willys Tornado engine was the first overhead cam engine mass-produced in North America. And, this one runs. Its smokes 'a little bit', and it lacks overdrive (I hope to address that in the future) but, other than that she was a runner when the fuel pump went out. I couldn't afford it at the time so it sat. In that time it's been in storage and, according to the diagrams I saw, its configuration, it's a unique fuel pump that's near $200 to replace (memory) from a "Willys" parts website (best price I could find, at that time). O'Reilly's seemed to carry one according to the diagram I studied but I didn't have the money at the time anyway. I got the fuel pump out of storage maybe 2 months ago(?). The Willys is on bad tires right now. Two go flat all the time. I don't want to put rubber on them because those rims are not made for this Willys. They took some stock rim and enlarged the hub hole with a cutting torch - literally. There was no way I was putting new rubber on those rims. I haven't have the money, and I didn't have the rims (they were in my BIL's boneyard). Now I have the Willys here. Now I have the fuel pump here. Now I 'thought' I had the rims here. Now I just have to come up with the scratch to put them all together. I have them all together EXCEPT for the parts in previous pictures, they're still in storage , I don't need them at this stage in the game. Another day, another trip! On top of all that. I don't have a hard flat surface here to do any of it. I have a gravel driveway. I'll have to do something about that. Not sure what, yet. I have been offered the use of a "Hoop-House". Just the frame. I'll have to come up with a covering for it. I have researched used billboard material. Advertising on one side, black on the other.

Man, this takes a long time!

Spaghetti Sunday Monday leftovers Tuesday Then a .



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WHAB

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btw
therms are about 15 bucks and you could put several into that rig while your at it...


know the grill
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btw
therms are about 15 bucks and you could put several into that rig while your at it...


know the grill
grumble grumble...

Hey there Ben! Good to see you, man!

And, still, I'm not sure what you're talking about

What "therms" that cost approximately "$15" and put them in my what "rig"? I would really like to understand you, Ben...it may be beneficial to me.

Has the vernacular of *growing evolved that much that what you said is commonplace and the language has passed me by?

I'm not really sure if you're talking about the propane range or the future grow area or the Willys.

Part of that might be my fault in that there are many topics going on here...

IF you don't mind, Ben...could you further elucidate for me, please?

It really is good to see you around, Ben.

Stay cool, man!

Edit add: growing

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WHAB

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Things are looking up!

I couldn't wait. It's been a while since I had been up there. First note: I had the electrician install 2 light sockets (only one bulb up there right now), so he won't be surprised by my wanting to install electricity up there. I've acclimated him . I had those lights put on a switch where the entrance is now....that panel has been the access entrance since before I was here.

Also note: In above image. When I made the Modified Ship's Ladder I needed a piece of wood for the face of the landing to attach that first step to. All I could find was the cutoff bottom of an antique door that is here. It was a perfect fit and sort of returned it to service, minor as it be. The rest if the door was being used horizontally as a partition. Who am I'm to question "Art"

*excuse the items on the landing. Window weather trim, aCPAP machine bag and I'm not sure why the box is there. In storage last time I found my Sony Dream Machine (alarm clock). It's on the tread because at the point I was still contemplating putting my mattress up there. I'm bringing back the plug in electrical alarm clock! Who's with me?!?! I'm not sure if I'll actually use it...

Moving up...

Those treads were dadoed into the Modified Ship's Ladder to support the tread negating any need for any other method to support the tread...no cleats or no metal bar cross member. Cleats would have been easy. All those dadoes were less so . Those are the jigs I made to cut the Left and Right Angled Dadoes at the left of that first image at the first step and landing.

The loft as it was right then (I had just brought the step-stool up with me this trip), after my last post (before my response to Ben).

A temp storage right now. But, that is the original 1924 tongue and groove flooring, what remained of it. What was allowed to be destroyed by neglect! At least one of those boxes are empty, of course I'm keeping it - just in case!

This is the opening where it is now. I'm pretty sure it's moving. There are added bits of lumber up there that is narrowing the 21 inch spaces between the bottom chord of the trusses. You'll also see here the lattice work strapping. Most of it, if not all of it, is original to the 1924 construction as it's what the tin ceiling was attached to. But, it does reduces possible openings to 21 x less than 21(?) openings without reworking some of that strapping and probably boxing in any area there above the loft in which to build a attic ladder.

Then just popping my head up through the hole.

Looking straight up from that same position. That is probably the original Cedar Shake Shingles. There is a metal roof on top of at least 2 composite shingle roofs then this roof under all that. It's hidden but it's still cool, in my opinion. IF I had the budget I'd take off those 3 more recent roof and at least see what the old shake looks like. From the bottom, it doesn't look that bad.

Looking through to the other end from the current access opening.

Continued...

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WHAB

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1/2 way through the access opening.

Then while standing at the opening - a son of a gun to get into, btw! Tight and no proper way to climb up in there.

I'm just showing the construction of the space, but do note the attempt at "insulation". Reminder; 15 inch batts in 24 inch bays

The other side of the center point... (West side)...

Looking South on the West side.

The both sides of the East side gable end, the one with the chimney.

Next are two of the same shot, one with flash one was not.

This is crazy! Those are Dirt Dauber nests. Hundreds of them. I don't remember that many of them the last time I was up there...

I need to get that fascia up, those dirt daubers have to be evicted.

Last year there were at least a hundred corpses in the vestibule. It seems like the suicide en masse. I understand that they are in the "Wasp" family, but they never bothered me except with their numbers and having to clean up the bug-land version of cadavers. Hundreds and hundreds of them, just drop out of the air and mass suicide

So, with that, I'm open to ideas, criticisms or otherwise good banter

I think I'll have to move those angled supports after I frame in other vertical ones to replace them just to get some squared up and more usable space.

I did measure the height. It is 10 feet 9 inches from the top of the bottom chord to the peak. I failed to measure what the width would be without those angled braces in the way. There is 48 inches in between those angled braces, which should be approximate what any new support put in its place would be. That space is 30 feet long.

I wanted to put a room up there, like a bedroom, when I first got in here but, I don't want to put that much weight up there. A flowering room and a bit of storage I think is a better plan.

I'd like to keep the reservoir in the veg space, gonna be less heat generated there. And, maybe under the loft, in an even cooler spot. I do have that portable air conditioner I'd be willing to give up my comfort for that of my medicine! Once that space is converted to a flowering space it should work great for that. It is a 14,000BTU Heat Pump (500sf unit).

Some obstacles: That space needs to be insulated, properly. That fascia needs to be replaced (I thought I bought fascia, not I have 110+bf of whatever I can make of it, I have a few ideas). My space should be air conditioned, I have my eye on one...I'm saving my pennies for. It is a Cassette type of Mini-Split. It needs to the ceiling near the center of the living space. I don't know how that will conflict, if at all, with a flowering space up there. I'm pretty sure one could go this way a bit and the other can go the other way just a bit - shouldn't be a big deal, I don't think.

I need the electrical done before any of the others can get done. Order of process/procedure is necessary! Things done when they need to get done and not sooner or later which would cost extra money and time.

I have the electrician on the wire...just gotta make the call. This would be side-work for him as he has a steady job, so we'd have to make arrangements...but he was very prompt in getting here when he said he would be here and stuck with it until he was done. I even offered to pay him to the hourly rate we agreed on if he'd like to leave for an hour long lunch. Good hard workin' dude!

It cost me about $1000 to install the lights, including the 2 attic lights and that hardwired (motion detection) porch light....that's materials and an hourly rate of $20 (which a freakin' steal today). No outdoor lights here when I got here, not even a porch light She did have battery powered lights around the interior and solar lights on the ground. None worked when I moved it....they were just debris laying about.

I am open to suggestions and ideas, IF you're so inclined....I'd appreciate it!

Oh, I almost forgot. Insulation: 15 inch batts in 24 inch bays or NOT EXISTING at all . Those last 2 bays on the South end of the 30 foot long section (it is East to West and is about 26 foot wide right there, that accounts for the inside corners seen in the exterior pictures) have no insulation at all. There are a few extra 15 batts laying about unopened. While I'm sure they didn't just realize what an utter waste of time and money it was at that point and quit or something else - I don't know. It is what it is.

Good morning...I'm outtie!

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WHAB