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WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Residence

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:24 am
by WhiteHotAfterburner
First: I am glad I decided to return. I hope to see the many accounts that have been kind, friendly and generous to me. I'm forever grateful. I'm even glad to see some accounts that view me less favorably. That's life.

I missed you all!

I was going to start with pictures of the first woodworking space I set up but there are way too many and they're not on this machine or my current phone - both went tits up. I lost everything on the phone, unretrievable....and I still have that old box but I have never tried to open the hard drive since it took a shit.

I took a piled up mess of a storage building (here's one I took the time to C&P from IG)

That pile was over 6 feet tall - and with the help of my BIL - created a functioning woodworking woodshop. I was really starting to get things sorted out. I built a few items there. Two special items to me, anyway. One was a bathroom cabinet I made out of the exhaust hood enclosure out of my sister's kitchen after she died. The other is very special in that the wood I used was salvaged from a 1950's rebuild of Fort Leonard Wood.

That all went South when my BIL kept digging deeper and deeper into my relatively - at the time - empty pockets and making unreasonable demands that forced me to leave - the end of 2019.

I landed here at my brother's place and was living in an RV my niece has here. While I was sitting it out I was planning on dropping a shed-to-house building here. I had my brother's approval. I was in discussions with the local vendor. I let him know my situation and he was very willing to help me out in any way he could.

My niece moved out. The 1924 Schoolhouse was offered to me.

This is how it started - August 2017 - first time I had ever seen it. Starting at the North wall and going clockwise.

*note: I just went and grabbed them from my IG account and saved them to this box. I won't be doing much more of that. What a PIA! But, I thought it was important as a starting point. At this point no one had any plans on doing anything with it. It was pretty run down. I had imagined it from the start that it would make a GREAT woodworking woodshop. Imagined.*

This was just beyond the dilapidated front doors. An amazing original 4 foot wide pocket door. My brother didn't actually own the place at that point so I didn't go beyond that measly padlock.

This is the original tin ceiling in that vestibule. Those are dirt dauber residences up there (you should see the attic :shock:. There is only one small piece of that original tin missing. There is a pallet of what they kept here on the property. I'll try and find a piece to fill it in.

*dang! I hit the 10 image upload limit!* *man, this takes way to long! :grin:*


**I was going to post more tonight but this is taking way too long. It's late and I'm hunger. More when I can (there is more :grin: )*


Re: Turn! Turn! Turn! A Still Forming Woodworking Residence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:36 am
by WhiteHotAfterburner
I will post one more tonight.

This is a painting the Aunt of one of our neighbors painted a long time ago. It was given to my niece when they saw that she was fixing the place up.

That is the South wall. That is the "erected 1924" placard to the right of the windows. Even though the artist got the date wrong. She painted it as 1923 :wink:.

The well is still there (although the concrete pad is larger now than it is in the painting). The hand pump is on the property still. That tree is still there. I took some pictures trying to duplicate the artist's perspective and I had to get out in the road beyond what is now a tree line to get even close.

Good night, friends!

Imma gonna go :volcano: some (not a Volcano, just an Arizer Extreme Q).

You all can have a :smoke: :wink:.


Re: Turn! Turn! Turn! A Still Forming Woodworking Residence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:29 am
by Butcher Bob

Re: Turn! Turn! Turn! A Still Forming Woodworking Residence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:46 am
by WhiteHotAfterburner
Butcher Bob wrote::popcorn:

Glad to have ya aboard, mate! :toker1: Makes my heart smile to see you're still around! :tup:

*got a toothpick?* :laugh:


Re: Turn! Turn! Turn! A Still Forming Woodworking Residence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:28 pm
by WhiteHotAfterburner
The 10 image limit actually hit at a fairly good separation point. These are the pictures I took once my niece started working on the place - a few months after I took the above pictures. It was my niece, her Mom and her Mom's sister's husband - for the most part.

Only one of the 3 actually had any 'construction' experience, that I'm aware of. They did a great job, considering...

This original arched entryway is still there - behind the corrugated metal they put up. It's in really bad shape. I plan to try and tackle remaking the entryway, the double doors and even the arched window. I at least have what remains or the arched window to use as a template IF it doesn't crumble in my hands. The corrugated metal was put up as a quick and dirty way to get some covering on the openings. I'm pretty sure they were dealing with Winter and desired getting in as quickly as they could.

This is the South wall, standing at the pocket door. It's the wall shown in the painting. That crack on the West wall visible in this picture is the only crack that I can see that penetrates to the exterior.

The West wall, also taken from the pocket door, it's the wall with the FIVE 5 foot tall windows.

The North wall. That horizontal strip is where I think a chalkboard was mounted. It is the North wall so it's best to guard against Winter on that wall and would make sense to mount a chalkboard there. It is where all the systems are now located. Electric/Water/Septic...etc. What you'll note here is the tin ceiling hanging down, the new floor joists are in (not done correctly, but they're in) and the pocket door. It is the second pocket door that was once between the classroom and the cloakroom. It matches the other pocket door - both being 4 feet wide on their original trolley's! The bottom of that door was rotted when I saw it. It's been outside since this picture was taken and has further deteriorated. A few of the panel insets are still intact and I can use them as a pattern for the door style/rail and panel profiles.

Here's what reminds me of a wall at the Alamo (or other like structure back in the day). It was caused by water/weather damage. When I first saw the place and mulling ideas I always thought it be great if it was preserved in some way if only as a historic fact. I have not come up with a method to preserve it. It is water/weather and termite damaged. Also note, the two doorways are in this picture. The floor joists are present. And, this is the first view of the built-in shelves in the cloakroom. There are two sets of built-in shelves. The other set of shelves are on the opposite side of that wall in between the chimney and the pocket door.

Here are those shelves. Also something I would not have done. My niece removed some of the shelves to put a bathroom sink in. I'm hoping to find all of the missing shelves and restore them to that location. I have located one of the missing shelves. It was reused as a shelf under the loft. The bathroom sink and it's cabinet would fit nicely under that window in the picture. I'd like to relocate the sink there. It is where it belonged.

The first set of shelves, that window where the sink should have gone, the matching window to the right of that and the other set of shelves peeking in.

The far wall in the cloakroom. That wall is shared with the wall in the vestibule. Those two strips of wood are still there (probably for coat hooks, I surmise). The second set of shelves on the right.

The original tin ceiling in the cloakroom is fully intact. Except for sharing these decades with dirt daubers it's AMAZING!!!
(Can't post this image here. Hit the 10 image limit. The limit did not hit at a good point here :wink: I'll try and post it at another point. It's amazing it's still there!)

The vestibule is 6 feet x 6 feet. The cloakroom is 6 feet x 14 feet. And, as mentioned, the main space is 22 feet x 30 feet (the 30 feet might actually be the exterior of the building, I'm pretty sure it is. That means the interior of this 30 feet x 30 feet building is really 28 feet x 28 feet (not including the inside corners of the bump-out in the front)).

My niece had an engineer out here to survey the building. He gave the structure good marks. He even approved of putting a second story on the place. I don't know any more details than that. I wanted to speak to the engineer but my niece says she no longer has that information.

Man, this posting stuff is a time suck! :grin:

:rollitiup: :toker1:


Re: Turn! Turn! Turn! A Still Forming Woodworking Residence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:04 pm
by WhiteHotAfterburner
This deserves to be posted. In this room and in the vestibule, I have no intention of doing anything to the original tin ceiling. They're amazing. The only thing I would do if I were to do anything to them is restore them. Anyone can install tin ceilings, and they look great. No one can install these tin ceilings - they're 1924 tin ceilings. They can only be installed originally just one time. (Out here in the boonies, by the way. Town is about 20 miles away. My nearest neighbors are of the hoofed variety! :laugh:) They carried all of those building supplies out here into the hinterland :grin:

These pictures show the place the day I took up occupancy. (Starting at the first pocket door and moving clockwise*

5 beautiful large windows on the West wall. It makes finding places to hang/mount tools extremely difficult but I'll address that.

My niece had a YUGE commercial propane range in here. A 6 burner with a griddle :eek:. I had to remove the front door and the door jamb just to get it out of the space for her. Also, that is the ONE "kitchen" cabinet with the ONE "kitchen" drawer. Oh, and the miss-located "kitchen" sink. I plan to put the sink in this side of the HUMONGOUS island seen in the above picture. Looking out over the space and potentially out of those 5 beautiful 5 feet tall windows out into the prairie grasses beyond (kept trimmed when possible), instead of staring at a lath and stucco wall (actual stucco, the concrete type!). She had installed a commercial style exhaust hood on the Alamo wall. That stayed behind :tup:. It's a great hood BUT it's also a great collector of everything airborne! :frown: :laugh: I had offered for my use a commercial 4 burner range with a griddle. I had to remove the front door and the door jamb to get it in here. It was a mess. It was purchased used at an auction and had been stored out of doors for at least 3 years! :eek: That's in a coming post. It required a conversion and extensive rehab that took me SIX weeks:eek: My SIL was of great assist for the dirtiest of the tasks. :tup:

The bathroom (from the second pocket door and moving clockwise). And remember, I had not carried in anything but my own body weight at this point :grin:.

Note here there is no shower curtain. There is no shower rod. They bathed. I shower :roflmao: Making a laminated and/or bent wood shower curtain rod is on the to-do list. I currently take what I call a crower (a crouching shower :roflmao: ) - no splashing above the rim - and my back hates me for it!

And the royal throne! :roflmao: It actually tucked away nicely in a little alcove created by the chimney extending into the cloakroom. It's also a better view of the second set of original built-in 1924 shelving.

Two shots of the Alamo wall, the chimney clean-out near the floor, and the exhaust hood.

*man, I need a rapid-fire posting add-on! :roflmao:*

Oh, how did that ^ ^ ^ get in here? :allhailme: :grin: :tup: :roflmao:



Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:23 pm
by rSin
Thats a proud building! gooD luck avoiding the money pit...

Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:52 pm
by WhiteHotAfterburner
rSin wrote:Thats a proud building! gooD luck avoiding the money pit...

Hey there rSin!

It is. It has withstood almost 100 years and under the worst conditions ie: lack of proper maintenance - any maintenance for a good portion of the last few decades. It could have all been saved intact. Damn shame!

My niece - I give her props! - did do her best to repurpose things that could be salvaged.

The tin on the knee-wall up on the loft. The tongue and groove flooring on the partition wall.

When I cut the handrail up on the loft to give the Modified Ship's Ladder a path to the loft I discovered the handrail all around the loft (well, two sides and part of the third) was made from one of the salvaged floor joists. I cut 2 foot out of it and that piece of 2x8 Oak has super tight grain and incredibly heavy for its size. I am repurposing that as a base for a new mailbox to mailbox post connection I have ready to put in the ground when it thaws in the Spring.

I cut that mailbox post by hand using an antique Stanley Mitre Box. The half-lap joint and the angled cuts. I didn't have any "tools" here at the time.


Re: Turn! Turn! Turn! A Still Forming Woodworking Residence.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:23 pm
by Butcher Bob
WhiteHotAfterburner wrote:
1924 Schoolhouse 0017 01202021.jpg

The first set of shelves...

Those look exactly like the shelves on one side of my pantry...built aboot 1900, give or take 5 years. I've often wondered if some of the built-ins in my house are actually kits that could be purchased from places like Sears. Hell, they used to sell whole house kits....all the necessary pieces, you assemble.


WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Residence

PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:47 pm
by WhiteHotAfterburner
Butcher Bob wrote:
WhiteHotAfterburner wrote:
The attachment 1924 Schoolhouse 0017 01202021.jpg is no longer available

The first set of shelves...

Those look exactly like the shelves on one side of my pantry...built aboot 1900, give or take 5 years. I've often wondered if some of the built-ins in my house are actually kits that could be purchased from places like Sears. Hell, they used to sell whole house kits....all the necessary pieces, you assemble.


I'd kill to have a Sears, Roebuck and Company "kit home" case you know anybody :winky: :laugh: They're beautiful structures! It would be alright with me if you wanted to post some of your Century+ home here, if you'd like to.

Yours may be a "kit" shelf. There is evidence this is not.

This shelf *trim I found under the loft living as a shelf of a different sort :grin: was specifically cut and sort of coped for this inside corner.

Don't mind the sloppy spray foam. It wasn't I :grin:. It will be addressed in the order of urgency :wink: It is the inside corner where that end of that piece terminated.

This is the opposite end of the area where that board used to live. What is important here is to the right of that conduit is the paint my niece laid down. The old original 1924 paint is on the left of that conduit, but stops where the lower shelf was boxed in covering that trim. If you look close you can see it. It's sort of a light tan/beige.

And then, this is the second shelf on the other wall showing that the bottom shelves were indeed boxed in.

Btw, the above assembly needs some work BUT coincidentally 'may' make a great stash spot. I could pull that face board out right now - It's loose and just sitting there, it also needs attention - but it's empty under that bottom shelf.

SHHHH!!! :laugh:

Time for a :volcano:. Join me friend! :wink:

Edit: trim for shelf


Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:01 am
by WhiteHotAfterburner
I've been trying to do this in the order in which it occurred, to the best of my ability - but, this one is going to jump that order. I literally just got it done before starting this post.

I'm not just sitting here composing threads or composing responses to others threads :grin:

Time waits for no man (not gender specific! :roflmao:)!

I mentioned the commercial now-propane range I was offered the use of. Well, after I got it all done (I did the Natural Gas to Liquid Propane conversion - even through I tried to hire it out) and fired it up only the oven pilot really worked and it is going out regularly (will probably have to change it out) (or do what I just did to the top of the range, maybe. It is a "Safety" valve and I may not be able to safely bypass it. Probably not even a good idea to even consider. But, that valve ranges anywhere from $90 to over $200 :frown:).

With the top pilots not staying lit meant I couldn't use the griddle. I can light the top burners with at BBQ lighter (those long tipped lighters). That was never going to be possible with the griddle. The front lip is overlapped by the front cover. And, it is around 80lbs (if memory serves. it's 11-1/4" wide, 23" long and 1" thick - solid steel). There is no way to get to the pilot area or the burner when the range is assembled.

I was really looking forward to cooking on the griddle. I have never cooked on a flat top griddle at home. I hear it's great way to cook. So, I rolled it around in my Thought Process Machine for a few days and I hit on a Piezo Igniter idea. They're on most modern appliances, even restaurant cooklines, like where this came out of.

Wiki: "Piezo ignition is a type of ignition that is used in portable camping stoves, gas grills and some lighters, and potato cannons. Piezo ignition uses the principle of piezoelectricity, which, in short, is the electric charge that accumulates in some materials in response to high pressure."

A crystal of some sort, as I understand it.

Now I had to figure out a way to position it just right. Using the pilot bracket that came with the range was not possible. It's butt up against the burner. The tip of the piezo ignitor has to be positioned just right but the ground insulator gives it some reach that exceeds that bracket.

I started thinking "Where do I have a piece of thin material I can fab a bracket out of. Thin enough I can easily manipulate its shape but have it be rigid enough to do some work holding the piezo ignitor." I walked around and walked around. Peaking in here, poking in there. Nothing. Then it hit me.

I don't tend to thrown things away. I only recently threw away some original boxes things came in. Some more than a couple of decades old. I would have kept them but the only space I have for keeping things like that is the space I'm sharing a woodworking woodshop and residence in :roflmao:. I have kept a zip-lock baggie (tattered as it is - stuff falling out of it! :grin:) with shim stock for literally 30 years. They're dated "coupons". Test material. Inventoried and inspected and stamped test materiel. It may be going on the shuttle and the detail of manufacture is crazy like that! :winky: The radiused ones here I must have used to catch a radius on an already made part.

Perfect! But, one the first one I fabbed (I'm going to need at least 3 in total, maybe 5), I didn't fully comprehend what the material would do when I processed it (although I surely should have known better :roflmao:) - drilling a large hole through it to accept the piezo assembly. I clamped it down to a firm surface. But, I only clamped one end of the material down and left the other end flying in the breeze and boy did it fly! :roflmao: Luckily I had my hand-carried anvil! (a piece of steel I used to evict some of the previous residents here - more on that at some point) I was able to flatten it out sufficient for what I needed to do.

Oh, after I had the basic shape figured out I looked around for my sheet metal shears. I own the whole set. Left, Right and Straight. No idea where they are at - they may be in my storage unit 2 hours away! :laugh: I've been packing this sheet metal notcher (corner cutter) for as long as I have packed around that shim stock (coupons). I have never once used them. I gave them away at one time. The person never took them and I was, at that time, thankful they didn't. I really hate getting rid of stuff! :roflmao:

Fixed it. Got it installed. Tested it out. Success! Except for as I was looking at it in awe and patting myself on the back I allowed the wooden prop I put in place to hold that 80lbs of solid steel to catch fire! :roflmao:

I think I will have to fine tune its placement - not directly in the flame. I think it's supposed to be beneath a flame. I'm not really sure. But I know it's not a thermocouple that resides within the flame.

I'm just going to lay the pics out. You can associate them with the text as your brain will allow! :laugh:

*That organization laying the pictures out really is an incredible time suck!*




Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:32 am
by rSin
A secret space within another secret space is where your work really kills

Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:10 am
by dill786

Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:04 pm
by WhiteHotAfterburner
dill786 wrote:genius......

Tips hat. Thank you, kind sir!

What's even better is that I was hoping (without measuring) the button would fit in the existing slots in the face panel. It does!

The other 2 I know I'm putting in will fit even better - symmetrically. :wink:


Re: WHAB: Still Forming Woodworking Shop & Future Grow Resid

PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:31 pm
by WhiteHotAfterburner
Well, that bit me in the ass - TWICE! :roflmao:

I couldn't find any information about leaving the tip of the igniter in the flame save one. I looked and looked and watched a few videos. Only one states it directly. It makes sense to me not to leave it in a flame. So I decided I'd reposition it. Since it needs to be approximately located where the old gas pilot is I moved it. I just released it from its perch and tucked it under the frame on the side.

As I was in there working like I was in a 1956 Ford F100 engine compartment trying to save it the griddle slammed down on my arm. That block of wood saved me. The griddle actually landed on the wood which fell over onto my arm saving my arm from a direct hit. My arm was pinned to the range, the wood on top of my arm, the griddle on top of the wood. IF 80lbs of steel had landed directly on my outstretched arm I'm pretty sure it would have broken it.

Then when I was setting it up again to get back in there it fell again and caught the tip of my thumb on its way down. It took half of the tip of my thumbnail (not sure how that happened precisely) and cut the side of my thumb near the nail (I know how that happened. I was there when it happened! :roflmao:). Bled quite a bit. I wrapped it up in a folded paper towel and painters tape (the blue stuff :grin:) and marched on. *reminded me I should probably have a First Aid Kit here :toker1:*

I'm pretty sure I got it. While it looks like it is in the flame, it's just the angle of the shot. If this hasn't fixed it I've already formulated Piezo Igniter Retrofit 2.0 in my Thought Process Machine :winky:

Got'er done. Planning burgers tonight, I think. Gotta get the range back together...without dying! :roflmao:

**second picture of my thumb was after I was done. I had to take the "bandage" off because I had to use that thumb print to open my phone! :roflmao: **