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Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:26 am

Kilo20 wrote:I don't think anyone agrees with the way US laws are being brought to bear on anyone with the miss fortune to
be charged, I guess if this case is the first time you've seen the US in action you might be phased, I've sadly seen more then enough of these cases to know its the norm.

I could post at least 20 odd cases of various Russians caught unawares outside Russia all sent to the US on charges though most had never set foot in the States this case is not unique in the request for extradition.

I can believe that.

Kilo20 wrote:Clark will end up state side, I am confident Davis won't as I've said many times prior-I don't see Ireland sending
a man to jail for life when the comparable sentence is maybe 10 years he'd going no where.

I do hope you're right. I guess we'll know in another 2-3 weeks.

On another note, Ulbricht's appeal has been filed. The pleading is online, and is a 170 page, 1.1MB .pdf file.

In a nutshell, they're asking for a new trial. My best guess is that it will likely be another two years before a decision on a new trial comes down. What this means for Clark and/or Davis, remains to be seen.

The appeal file is hosted on Scribd, which can be a pain for those who are not subscribers.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/295281254/Si ... peal-Brief" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you can't get it from Scribd, there is a copy posted to Anonfiles.com, as follows:
Original file name: 295281254-Silk-Road-Appeal-Brief.pdf (1MB)

https://anonfiles.com/file/6f1737e0c3ce ... c33781aec8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nightcrawler

smokebreaks · Post by **smokebreaks** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:20 am

Seems Dratel gets it.

Accordingly, it is respectfully submitted that Ulbricht’s convictions should be vacated and a new trial ordered, particular evidence against him suppressed, or, in the alternative, the matter should be remanded for re-sentencing before a different judge.

Moustache · Post by **Moustache** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:21 am

Nightcrawler wrote: On another note, Ulbricht's appeal has been filed. The pleading is online, and is a 170 page, 1.1MB .pdf file.

In a nutshell, they're asking for a new trial. My best guess is that it will likely be another two years before a decision on a new trial comes down. What this means for Clark and/or Davis, remains to be seen.

The appeal file is hosted on Scribd, which can be a pain for those who are not subscribers.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/295281254/Si ... peal-Brief" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you can't get it from Scribd, there is a copy posted to Anonfiles.com, as follows:
Original file name: 295281254-Silk-Road-Appeal-Brief.pdf (1MB)

https://anonfiles.com/file/6f1737e0c3ce ... c33781aec8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nightcrawler

FWIW you can find the full appeal archive with the appeal brief and the 6 appendix here:
http://antilop.cc/sr/download/ulbricht_appeal.tar.gz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you prefer the documents are also available individually:
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... appeal.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... dix_01.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... dix_02.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... dix_03.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... dix_04.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... dix_05.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2016_01_12_U ... dix_06.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Appendix contains most of the documents used pre-trial and during the trial, including exhibits, indictments and whatnot. This is where you'll find all the A references (AXXX) mentioned in the brief. Majority of the documents aren't new but there are, I think, few documents that were sealed so far.

Peace

Moustache · Post by **Moustache** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:24 am

PeacockVapor wrote: What in the fuck is wrong with her? All the PM's here and on DNM reddit. I honestly think it is a narc. Only nosier people are Gwern and Moustache.

Who is "her"? I don't understand who you're talking about.

PeacockVapor · Post by **PeacockVapor** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:39 pm

Moustache wrote:
PeacockVapor wrote: What in the fuck is wrong with her? All the PM's here and on DNM reddit. I honestly think it is a narc. Only nosier people are Gwern and Moustache.
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Who is "her"? I don't understand who you're talking about.

NinjaCloaked

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:30 pm

smokebreaks wrote:Seems Dratel gets it.

Accordingly, it is respectfully submitted that Ulbricht’s convictions should be vacated and a new trial ordered, particular evidence against him suppressed, or, in the alternative, the matter should be remanded for re-sentencing before a different judge.

There wasn't a lot to get, really -- it was a show-trial. Dratel was blocked or frustrated at almost every turn. Even if he gets a new trial, there's no guarantee he's gonna win, but at this point, Ulbricht has absolutely nothing to lose by trying.

Nightcrawler

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:31 pm

@Moustache

Thanks for the additional documents, much appreciated.

Nightcrawler

smokebreaks · Post by **smokebreaks** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:20 pm

Nightcrawler wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:Seems Dratel gets it.

Accordingly, it is respectfully submitted that Ulbricht’s convictions should be vacated and a new trial ordered, particular evidence against him suppressed, or, in the alternative, the matter should be remanded for re-sentencing before a different judge.

There wasn't a lot to get, really -- it was a show-trial. Dratel was blocked or frustrated at almost every turn. Even if he gets a new trial, there's no guarantee he's gonna win, but at this point, Ulbricht has absolutely nothing to lose by trying.

Nightcrawler

I'm referring to the request to be assigned a different judge. There's obviously a prejudice which prevents his client from getting a fair trail in the SDNY or Judge Forrest's courtroom.

It is quite strange if they indeed had records and confirmations of the transfers of hundreds of thousands in USD paid out in bitcoins to the "red and white" for a total of 5 additional conspiracies regarding murder for hire, yet they didn't charge nor convict Ulbricht for any of them speaks volumes.

That in and of itself should be one that makes you go hmmmm.

PeacockVapor · Post by **PeacockVapor** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:03 pm

Not to joke but this reminds me of the OJ trial. I thought Dratel was a fool or Ross made him a fool. Not so fast. Looks like a great appeal. That said best outcome is a reduced sentence IMO. Cool none the less.

Ross wasn't a criminal like PoM, GN. He was an eagle scout that had a great idea. That idea was a train. It gained steam everyday it existed. That fucking train was off the rails towards the end. Spewing BTC is every direction.

Lesson kids is to learn when to simply walk away.

Nightcrawler · Post by **Nightcrawler** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:53 pm

Nightcrawler wrote:
smokebreaks wrote:Seems Dratel gets it.

Accordingly, it is respectfully submitted that Ulbricht’s convictions should be vacated and a new trial ordered, particular evidence against him suppressed, or, in the alternative, the matter should be remanded for re-sentencing before a different judge.

There wasn't a lot to get, really -- it was a show-trial. Dratel was blocked or frustrated at almost every turn. Even if he gets a new trial, there's no guarantee he's gonna win, but at this point, Ulbricht has absolutely nothing to lose by trying.

Nightcrawler
I'm referring to the request to be assigned a different judge. There's obviously a prejudice which prevents his client from getting a fair trail in the SDNY or Judge Forrest's courtroom.

I had thought that would be obvious -- to request another trial in front of the same judge would be ludicrous. I expect you're right about the venue (SDNY) as well.

smokebreaks wrote:It is quite strange if they indeed had records and confirmations of the transfers of hundreds of thousands in USD paid out in bitcoins to the "red and white" for a total of 5 additional conspiracies regarding murder for hire, yet they didn't charge nor convict Ulbricht for any of them speaks volumes.

That in and of itself should be one that makes you go hmmmm.

This doesn't surprise me one bit -- they're not gonna blow all their ordnance in one load. They were keeping this in reserve, on the off chance he was somehow acquitted. What would be the point? So he would get 3, 4, or 5 life sentences, instead of just 2?

Nightcrawler