so

[bentech]

early days,

comment then on the grave exclation in violence by the police
their stance

this kettling things theyre doing

[deran]

police did what they were allowed

1st: the protesters didnt sat down on the ground, they gave the police "the right" to be bullied with force
2nd: media was present and the protesters didnt trust in media, means somebody will watch it and will make news of it, news is "better" when police is beating peaceful sitting ppl, this was only "self defense" from the point of view from the police
3rd: there is no dialogue with forces, dialoges are done a few levels up higher, you can see the protesters arguing with them, thats wrong, again from viewpoint of the police, thats an assault (verbally)
4th: they werent organized in any way locationwise, a planed route, a planed plan b route, and a few escape ways .. all missing
5th: not organized in the terms of their paroles, watching the video i have no clue (i mean i have, but not from the video) what this protest is about
6th: force is handled with "love" not with force which results in bigger force. i.e. we gifted roses to the special forces aiming at us with their ak`s, we litterally put a flower in the rifle barrel

im sure there are more points to be analyzed

but the point is, there is no police violence in that video, not a single second, its all self defense within apropriate meassurments

i know that this pill is hard n bitter for you to swallow, but i bet if those 6 points above would have been followed from the start, there would have not been this video nor any - as you say - escalated violence

google for some youtube videos regarding castor transports within the eu or germany, there you can see good organized and successfull protests and protesters

[bentech]

police lines advancing on standing people and striking them with baton jabs isnt violence?

mabe according to old thinking
looks like that thinking is over with

[deran]

the job of the police is to keep "inner peace and security", to avoid escalations, to "control" the situation and to do everything that no state of emergency happens, as its written on some cars ive seen in movies - to serve and to protect -

its not about protecting you, its about protecting sovereignty of law


your violence abstraction fits perfectly into a black n white context, which results from your slightly warped perception of things due to successfull media manipulation, ending in a state which got often missused by politicians in a sentence like this "if you arent with us - you are against us" and that is perversion, and i dont mean sexual perversion, i mean perversion of intelligence, even animals arent that dumb ben, each truth has at least 2 sides, at least !

[bentech]

truth doesnt have differing sides

[deran]

bc you are the exeption, i know

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[bentech]

are you saying my objectivisms are trumping reasonableness?