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Posted: **Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:23 pm**

The public is being grossly misinformed... it is airborne... must watch:

Posted: **Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:43 pm**

I refuse to succumb to the hysteria and continue to put this Covid-19 event in it's proper perspective. The question remains: Is this woman a calloused cynic who lacks sensitivity and humanity . . . or, a conscientious purveyor of an anti-panic perspective of reality . . . ??

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"Compared to what?
by Heather Mac Donald
On the misguided response to COVID-19.
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Compared to what? That should be the question that every fear-mongering news story on the coronavirus has to start with. So far, the United States has seen forty-one deaths from the infection. Twenty-two of those deaths occurred in one poorly run nursing home outside of Seattle, the Life Care Center. Another nine deaths occurred in the rest of Washington state, leaving ten deaths (four in California, two in Florida, and one in each of Georgia, Kansas, New Jersey, and South Dakota) spread throughout the rest of the approximately 329 million residents of the United States. This represents roughly .000012 percent of the U.S. population.

Much has been made of the “exponential” rate of infection in European and Asian countries–as if the spread of all transmittable diseases did not develop along geometric, as opposed to arithmetic, growth patterns. What actually matters is whether or not the growing “pandemic” overwhelms our ability to ensure the well-being of U.S. residents with efficiency and precision. But fear of the disease, and not the disease itself, has already spoiled that for us. Even if my odds of dying from coronavirus should suddenly jump ten-thousand-fold, from the current rate of .000012 percent across the U.S. population all the way up to .12 percent, I’d happily take those odds over the destruction being wrought on the U.S. and global economy from this unbridled panic.

By comparison, there were 38,800 traffic fatalities in the United States in 2019, the National Safety Council estimates. That represents an average of over one hundred traffic deaths every day; if the press catalogued these in as much painstaking detail as they have deaths from coronavirus, highways nationwide would be as empty as New York subways are now. Even assuming that coronavirus deaths in the United States increase by a factor of one thousand over the year, the resulting deaths would only outnumber annual traffic deaths by 2,200. Shutting down highways would have a much more positive effect on the U.S. mortality rate than shutting down the U.S. economy to try to prevent the spread of the virus.

There have been 5,123 deaths worldwide so far–also a fraction of traffic deaths worldwide. And unlike coronavirus, driving kills indiscriminately, mowing down the young and the old, the sick and the healthy. The coronavirus, by comparison, is targeted in its lethality, overwhelmingly striking the elderly or the already severely sick. As of Monday, approximately 89 percent of Italy’s coronavirus deaths had been over the age of seventy, according to The Wall Street Journal. Sad to say, those victims were already nearing the end of their lifespans. They might have soon died from another illness. No child under the age of nine has died from the illness worldwide. In China, only one individual in the ten-to-nineteen age group has succumbed.

Comparing the relative value of lives makes for grisly calculus, but one is forced to ask: are we missing the forest for the trees? If the measures we undertake to protect a vulnerable few end up exposing them, along with the rest of society, to even more damaging risks–was it worth the cost?

An example: there were 34,200 deaths in the United States during the 2018—19 influenza season, estimates the cdc. We did not shut down public events and institutions to try to slow the spread of the flu. Yet we have already destroyed $5 trillion in stock market wealth over the last few weeks in the growing coronavirus panic, reports The New York Times, wiping out retirement savings for many.

The number of cases in most afflicted countries is paltry. As of today, 127 countries had reported some cases, but forty-eight of those countries had fewer than ten cases, according to Worldometer. At this point, more people have recovered from the virus than are still sick. But the damage to people’s livelihoods through the resulting economic contraction is real and widespread. Its health consequences will be more severe than those of the coronavirus, as Steve Malanga shows in City Journal. The people who can least afford to lose jobs will be the hardest hit by the assault on tourism. Small entrepreneurs, whether in manufacturing or the service sector, will struggle to stay afloat. Such unjustified, unpredicted economic havoc undermines government legitimacy.

President Trump has been criticized for not being apocalyptic enough in his press conferences. In fact, he should be even more skeptical of the panic than he has been. He should relentlessly put the coronavirus risk into context with opioid deaths, homicide deaths–about sixteen thousand a year in the United States–flu deaths, and traffic deaths. One might have thought New York governor Andrew Cuomo a voice of reason when, a few days ago, he tried to tamp down the hysteria in a press conference, saying: “This is not Ebola, this is not sars, this is not some science fiction movie come to life. The hysteria here is way out of line with the actuality and the facts.” And yet since then he called a state of emergency in New York, and he and Mayor Bill de Blasio have all but shut down the New York City economy. They, like most all U.S. politicians nowadays, have shown an overwhelming impulse to be irrationally risk-averse.

Rather than indiscriminately shutting down public events and travel, we should target prevention where it is most needed: in nursing homes and hospitals.

It is hard to imagine that the panicked leaders and populace of today would have been able to triumph in the last century’s World Wars. America’s colleges sent off thousands of their young men to fight and die in those wars; those students went off with conviction and courage. Currently, colleges and universities are shutting down with no hint of the virus in their vicinity. Would today’s panicked leaders and populace be able to triumph in the face of a World War, or some other legitimately comparable threat? Let’s hope that we do not have to find out."

Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute

Posted: **Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:26 pm**

so how many deaths will it take before the American public should be informed that it's actually airborne, so merely shrugging it off and washing their hands isn't quite going to cut it?

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:34 am**

I think the Chinese said it was airborne a few weeks back and the CDC confirmed earlier as they started this whole flatten the curve — social distancing story

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:34 am**

It seems that everyone I know believes Fox news and whatever Trump says, and everyone I've spoken to, including 2 doctors, and nearly every news article and video I've seen, the general consensus seems to be that it is not airborne, so people only need to wipe down surfaces, wash their hands a lot, and not touch their face, and that there's nothing to worry about because you can't catch it by talking to people who don't seem ill, so it will blow over quickly just like previous virus outbreaks, but the above videos are first I've seen which confirm exactly what I've suspected to actually be true, because Trump lies so much and Fox news spins everything his way, so I don't believe a damn thing they say. but it's also important to note that there is like a 4-day incubation period where people will not have any symptoms but can still be contagious already.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:00 pm**

This is what I've been seeing.

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Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:51 pm**

I bought enough assorted haze varieties to last me through 'til late Summer just in case they close the cannabis shops here down. I really like the moonshine haze, proper sativa flower.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:24 pm**

the only thing that bothers me - at least - all those mofos are buying up the god damn toilet paper!
i do have some minor addictions, which are not worth to mention, or are they ... anyways; anyways, ... as long as i have access to weed, opiates, tobacco and other essential goods, im fine, yeah, i also need electricity, water and food, ...BUT BUT BUT - for fucking gods sake, leave me some god damn fucking toilet paper shitheads

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pm**

How old is that video..?

My wife manages multiple clinics and just today they went from airborne precautions to droplet precautions.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:05 pm**

People are losing their god damn minds. Gordan's, aboot 40% empty shelves...Aldi's, aboot 80% empty shelves...Walmart, aboot 80% empty shelves. Want essential foods like milk and bread...forget it. Folks...there is no food shortage! It's one of the few things we produce an over abundance of. It's shit from China we can't get, like medicines and medical supplies...not food. For fuks sake, Wally's is closing at 11 tonight, not because of some curfew, but to restock the shelves when all the trucks roll in tonight. If you want something to freak out aboot, look at your 401K.

So glad I'm a hermit.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:14 pm**

Roots wrote:How old is that video..?

My wife manages multiple clinics and just today they went from airborne precautions to droplet precautions.

They're fucking that up because it's been reported now, person to person which doesn't make sense.

Whomever put the SARS and MERS virii together is a fucking asshole.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:43 pm**

got test back today no corona virus

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:06 am**

hey Roots, thanks for stopping by... the video was 6 days old. on what basis did they make that change, some new scientific finding, or perhaps just the wealth of propaganda to which I'm referring?

good luck with that HIV Lrus, way to stay positive, but it seems ironic that you got tested for Corona since you had so strongly proclaimed your lack of concern for this whole pandemic as some kind of big overblown hoax. but I guess it was a good idea with your other condition which actually explains a lot, but that is another big difference between USA and other countries as well... thanks to Trump having rejected the notion of acquiring tests made in Germany or any other country, obviously just to be a dick and fudge our numbers so they would seem to be staying low, doctors here have had a hard time trying get tests even for patients showing all the Corona symptoms, despite all of his lies about tests being readily available. and we're basically being told not to go seek any medical aids or testing and just stay home if we think we have it, unless we're practically dying from it already.

my 401k lost over 15% in the past week, including the past few business days it took to actually freeze my trades after I had made the call.

WinCo is huge super-store here which has been ridiculously letting only 5 people in at a time for days, causing crowds to stand in line outside waiting hours for their turn as each of those 5 people exit.

and my county went on lock-down starting tonight.

heard the one about the guy who stopped shaking people's hands?
not for fear of catching the virus... but because he figures
they probably ran out of toilet paper!

speaking of TP, click full-screen:

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:02 pm**

well munchy was a joke. no test no aids lol. i am at ground 0..
6 have died in my town last count. is 6 miles as the crow flies.
stores are empty around here. better to joke than panic...

Posted: **Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:09 pm**

yeah, I know... it's called deadpan humor, and you walked right into it...

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:21 pm**

smokebreaks wrote:
Whomever put the SARS and MERS virii together is a fucking asshole.

What do you mean smokes, they put them together?
as in RNA merging? Or just classified together?
??

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:13 pm**

Studies Claim Malaria Drug Chloroquine Effective Against Coronavirus

Chloroquine phosphate, an old-fashioned anti-malarial drug, has shown strong results against COVID-19 infections in South Korea and China.

As Anthony Watts notes here there have been at least three studies demonstrating its efficacy against the Coronavirus.

Here is one, by James M Todaro and Gregory J Rigano, in association with Stanford University School of Medicine and National Academy of Sciences Researchers.

According to the summary:

Recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that chloroquine is an effective antiviral therapeutic treatment against Coronavirus Disease 2019. Use of chloroquine (tablets) is showing favorable outcomes in humans infected with Coronavirus including faster time to recovery and shorter hospital stay. US CDC research shows that chloroquine also has strong potential as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against coronavirus in the lab, while we wait for a vaccine to be developed. Chloroquine is an inexpensive, globally available drug that has been in widespread human use since 1945 against malaria, autoimmune and various other conditions.

It concludes:

Chloroquine can both prevent and treat malaria. Chloroquine can both prevent and treat coronavirus in primate cells (Figure 1 and Figure 2). According to South Korean and China human treatment guidelines, chloroquine is effective in treating COVID-19. Given chloroquine’s human safety profile and existence, it can be implemented today in the U.S., Europe and the rest of the world. Medical doctors may be reluctant to prescribe chloroquine to treat COVID-19 since it is not FDA approved for this use. The United States of America and other countries should immediately authorize and indemnify medical doctors for prescribing chloroquine to treat COVID-19. We must explore whether chloroquine can safely serve as a preventative measure prior to infection of COVID-19 to stop further spread of this highly contagious virus.

Here is the second study by Jianjun Gao, Zhenxue Tian, Xu Yang

Abstract:

The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) virus is spreading rapidly, and scientists are endeavoring to discover drugs for its efficacious treatment in China. Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China. The drug is recommended to be included in the next version of the Guidelines for the Prevention, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Pneumonia Caused by COVID-19 issued by the National Health Commission of the People’s Republic of China for treatment of COVID-19 infection in larger populations in the future.

Here is the third, in the journal Nature. It’s titled ‘Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro’
Extract:

Chloroquine, a widely-used anti-malarial and autoimmune disease drug, has recently been reported as a potential broad-spectrum antiviral drug.8,9 Chloroquine is known to block virus infection by increasing endosomal pH required for virus/cell fusion, as well as interfering with the glycosylation of cellular receptors of SARS-CoV.10Our time-of-addition assay demonstrated that chloroquine functioned at both entry, and at post-entry stages of the 2019-nCoV infection in Vero E6 cells (Fig. 1c, d). Besides its antiviral activity, chloroquine has an immune-modulating activity, which may synergistically enhance its antiviral effect in vivo. Chloroquine is widely distributed in the whole body, including lung, after oral administration. The EC90 value of chloroquine against the 2019-nCoV in Vero E6 cells was 6.90 μM, which can be clinically achievable as demonstrated in the plasma of rheumatoid arthritis patients who received 500 mg administration.11Chloroquine is a cheap and a safe drug that has been used for more than 70 years and, therefore, it is potentially clinically applicable against the 2019-nCoV.

What does this mean?

Essentially it means the end of the nightmare is – or ought to be – much closer than we think.

It will take many, many months before a vaccine is available for COVID-19. In the meantime, this is a very effective stop-gap solution. Not only does it make those critically affected by the virus less likely to die; but it also acts as a prophylactic – that is, it is capable of stopping people from getting the disease in the first place.

The reason that Chloroquine works, I understand from an expert in viral pandemics, is that enables the body to absorb more zinc. Zinc appears to be the most effective agent in disrupting the virus and preventing the ‘cytokine storm’, which is the deadly phase in which the virus tricks the body’s immune system into attacking its own healthy tissue, with often fatal consequences.

Why isn’t there more excitement about this readily available treatment?

One possible reason is that chloroquine is a generic drug to which no pharmaceutical company owns the patent. Big Pharma’s money and lobbying power will strive to persuade governments – and markets – that the only viable solution to the coronavirus is a vaccine. But in the short term this simply isn’t true. Nor is it clear to me that the global economy is going to survive on lockdown for as long as it takes to develop and test that vaccine – which may not even prove effective in any case.

Note that point in the Todaro and Rigano paper about the need for FDA approval. There is no time to waste.

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Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:05 pm**

Butcher Bob wrote:People are losing their god damn minds. Gordan's, aboot 40% empty shelves...Aldi's, aboot 80% empty shelves...Walmart, aboot 80% empty shelves. Want essential foods like milk and bread...forget it. Folks...there is no food shortage! It's one of the few things we produce an over abundance of. It's shit from China we can't get, like medicines and medical supplies...not food. For fuks sake, Wally's is closing at 11 tonight, not because of some curfew, but to restock the shelves when all the trucks roll in tonight. If you want something to freak out aboot, look at your 401K.

So glad I'm a hermit.

Yeah, I,m kind of a hermit also, glad I stockpile for the next 4 months last month as routine, damn good thing I remembered the TP this time too.

Anyway I have found as a hermit, I get in close quarters of strangers, say in a vehicle or last time closed building during a deposition; I get sick, I have no immunity, I'm away from people and hospitals for so much II don't get exposed to normal ecology of pathogens on a regular basis hence my immunity system has no stockpiled information to work from.

Forgive the rambling, I'm not feverish just a little high.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:11 pm**

And other news the governor here has declared people of my age to stay under self quarantine. So when are they sending the young girls to help out this old person under quarantine?

Here is the natural quarantine I'm currently under..

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Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:14 am**

Intrinsic wrote:So when are they sending the young girls to help out this old person under quarantine?

So you are choosing a quick death? At least the mortician will earn his money getting that smile off you face.....

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:45 am**

so over the last few days here in the LA basin the radio is stating that the virus IS contagious through airborne droplets for 3 hours

cheap gas is 2.93

many of the shelves at the store including produce are bare by afternoon often

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:55 pm**

rSin wrote:cheap gas is 2.93

Down to 1.72 here

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:39 pm**

Thankful the shale oil industry will never recover domestically...

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:31 am**

i work in central London, Friday was my last day at work for the foreseeable future.... the whole place is nearly on lockdown

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:40 pm**

bavaria called out the state of emergency, you must not leave your house, except for the store to buy food and toilet paper
groups of more than 5 ppl are forbidden
nobody out in the streets, only public transport
corona partys are forbidden as well

bummer

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:30 pm**

I don't really get why they're urging use of public transport, as opposed to what? because it seems to me that jumping in my car all alone for essential errands, without exposing myself to anyone else or vice-versa from point A to point B, is the safest way to go if you must..

btw, the trick to getting toilet paper seems to be arriving at the store early in the morning just as they open.

speaking of Corona parties, have you heard that many Americans foolishly believed this was the Corona beer virus, so sales of Corona beer plummeted? lol

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:26 pm**

I'm trying to do my part. I only leave my house once a day, if that, to get smokes and beverages...and I go right before they close, when nobody else is out, and the store has done their end of the day cleaning.

I have noticed all week that traffic is virtually non-existent...but today is back to almost normal.

Cases here in MI have increased 10 fold since Monday night.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:34 pm**

$2.99 for gas here.

Still zero positive cases in my County. But there have been only 9 tested ..meh.

California is on lockdown.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:36 pm**

Malfeasor-en-chief!

The trump virus!!!

Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:08 am**

blame ozzy and the bats he has eaten

Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:45 am**

yeh, Ozzy must be immune, maybe they should test his blood as a serum

Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:25 pm**

And once again
The market has failed us
When in dire need, and
The GOP's worest fears about government
Invariable only occur
When its them at the wheel of state...

Posted: **Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:32 pm**

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March 18

The world will never be the same. This is the ultimate black swan event. I have never witnessed anything like this in America, and it is hard to wrap your brain around what is happening with whole cities shut down. The speed at which this has happened is astonishing. We went from a booming economy that was growing well, to recession in two weeks. Who could ever have imagined this even two weeks ago. Essentially they have shut down around one-third of the economy. Here in Longboat Key there is one supermarket-Publix. The shelves on many items are stripped clean. See attached pics. When I asked if they were restocking over-night I was told no because the warehouses are far short of enough drivers to keep supplies moving to cover all the panic buying. I was having a root canal procedure on Tuesday. My dentist told me I was lucky to have come in Tuesday as the ADA has told all dentists in the US to Shut Down ALL offices for two weeks. Bet you had not heard that. We are very likely near the bottom now, but it cannot be known yet. There is no way to forecast the short run since Congress is now the key, and they are never intelligent nor quick in their response to anything. If they quickly pass the $1 trillion package hen the market will begin to recover. If they screw around like they did with TARP, then there is much more down to go,. Just as with TARP.

The world is entering a very dangerous place now. Populism will increase in many countries. Politics in places like Italy, France Iran, Spain and China will become less stable. Governments will be overthrown. It is just a matter of when and how. The good news is it appears the virus is running rampant in Iran including at the highest leadership level. Thousands of Iranians will die, and as a percent of the population it will be very impactful. On top of a collapsed oil price and collapsed economy from sanctions, Iran is going to have major risks of revolution. They will have nothing left to fund their proxies, nor to pacify the populace with subsidies. Xi will possibly be gone in a few years. Putin just made himself leader for life. The next few years will be dangerous. The US will need a huge and powerful military to deal with what might come at us. Cyberwar will likely become the new battlefield, although shooting wars could happen if the world becomes destabilized. Iran is the wild card as that regime is on borrowed time. .

This is the inflection point. Globalism will be materially reduced as it is clear we must have US sources of key materials and products, especially drugs and rare earths and tech components. It is nuts that most drugs come from China and India. Suppose they just stopped supplying them. Rare earths come from China for the military and high tech products. Parts for ventilators are made in China. This will bring several industries back to the US, or maybe Mexico. Companies and production of all sorts will leave China as soon as they can. World trade is going to be reset in major ways, and China is the big loser. China will have economic setbacks of major proportions going forward between the trade war with the US and now the virus forcing a lot of manufacturing out of China. Phase II of the trade negotiations will be very different. The whole Brexit negotiation will be changed, and the UK will be the winner. The US will be able to force the EU into much different trade terms. The EU may not survive this. The US will develop an industrial policy to require made in America for critical commodities and products.

Fiscal discipline is out the window. Maybe the Treasury will refi the government debt at these low yields with 50 year bonds, which would make a tremendous difference going forward as to the debt service burden on the federal budget. Mnuchin has been pushing this. Notice how the ten year shot from .3% to well over 1%. In a week. Healthcare will be an excellent place to invest for a long time. The EU is now in really bad shape, and recovery for them may seriously raise the issue of, can the EU survive as an governing entity. Can the EU banks survive-likely not, and there needs to be consolidation, along with the major QE the ECB just announced of $800 billion. It is hard to see how Italy can ever economically recover from this. They were insolvent before the virus. Greece is toast. France was in serious trouble, and now will have a real struggle for several years. Without Mamma Merkel, there is no leadership in the EU. Macron wants to take her place, but France is not Germany. He will not have the same level of influence she had. Do not invest in the EU.

When this is over, the US will be the only nation still strong, even with a short recession. It raises serious question as to whether China can still afford Belt and Road. There is now no way any of the countries that took Chinese loans can pay them back. Iran can no longer afford to fund its proxies. The mullahs are now on borrowed time. There is real risk to them now of a real revolution. In short, the world is in for years of instability, and the US is the only safe haven. The UK with Brexit behind it, is the only other nation that can stand on its own after this. Even Germany is now in recession and is mired in the mess in the EU. With a large poor Muslim population, and its dependence on Chinese buying its cars and machines, and the EU its biggest market, Germany has likely seen its best days. Investing anywhere but the US for the next few years is going to be filled with real risk. Inflation is dead for several years and oil prices will remain relatively low in the $50-$60 range at most once the Saudis and Russians stop their suicide war. The US oil industry is used to boom bust, and will consolidate and survive as the biggest producer in the world. Russia cannot keep up a price war. Their break-even is $54, Oil is near half that. The Saudis also cannot afford this. The prince is pissing off a lot of powerful people and it would not be a shock to hear one day that he is out. Once again, the US is where to be in this mess. If all this sounds upsetting, get ready for a very messy world now. Be thrilled you live in America.

Nothing in the economy or the market is predictable right now. The algos and the lack of the uptick rule has made the stock and bond markets totally irrational. The good news is the Fed is feeding huge amounts of capital into the banks, the bond and inter-bank loan markets, and commercial paper. Treasury has initiated new funding support to make sure the debt markets stay on track along with Fed funding. Treasury and the Fed are going all out this time before the crisis hits, to make sure the debt markets function smoothly with sufficient liquidity. Call it the Fed and Treasury put 2.0. They have made sure we do not have a repeat of the financial market shutting down as we did in October 2008. Liquidity for the markets is critical, no matter what the Fed has to do to maintain that. There will not be any bank bailouts as that is not needed now. Rule 13 at the Fed seems to be reinstated despite being ended by Dodd. That rule allows the Fed to make collateralized loans to major corporations. Boeing will get a major loan so their suppliers can stay working. As happened in 2010, and after, a lot of the loans to industries will get repaid with interest in a few years. It will work and will save the economy. Congress needs to act fast and boldly, and some way needs to be found to allow companies to be subsidized for keeping staff on payroll, and for laid off workers to get enough cash for three months or so until things start to return to normal. If Congress can do that successfully without F-ing it up, (very questionable) then the economy will come roaring back in July or August when it is clear the virus did not kill very many, and almost no productive younger people. Shutting the borders early saved us, and now the massive containment will work. The massive communications effort by the White House task force to keep us fully informed, and to get people to stay home and away from each other was a critical step, and will turn the corner in two to three weeks. Fauci will be the hero of this crisis. Trump is doing all the right things by enlisting the private sector so heavily. The US acted relatively fast and effectively, and closing the borders was essential. Testing will now catch up. There was no way to know to produce ventilators in time no matter what Schumer says. You don’t just buy those by the hundreds of thousands when nobody ever forecast the need. The internet will have been seen to have made all the difference from anytime in the past. Without the ability to work effectively online, we would have a real crash. We are actually closing a construction loan at the end of March with a commercial bank where the loan officers are working from home certain days, and others in the bank in the other days. That is how a lot of companies are doing it, and it is working. Business is functioning, although at a slower pace. Most people quickly adapted. A lot was learned from 9-11 and 2008, and a lot of plans at large companies, the financial markets, and hospitals were already in place for just this sort of disruption. Treasury and the Fed know what to do. We will get through this better than at any time in history. Therapeutics will be fielded by July or August, and that will solve a big part of the issue. The US will emerge better than most.

Keep things in perspective. Net of the nursing home there are just 95 deaths in the US over several weeks. Almost all, if not all, were people with serious health issues before. Testing is now ramped up. There are still only 5800 cases and most will recover fine. While the numbers will ramp up in the next three weeks, the massive stay apart and stay home effort should make a massive difference. Possibly in three or four weeks we will see the reduction in cases.

Schumer is a disgrace by making a highly political speech attacking Trump on the floor, just raising unnecessary fears with the public. It was disgusting.

Just stay calm and hold on. We are probably at the worst moment right now waiting for the peak cases and waiting to see if Congress can act responsibly for once. It is darkest before the dawn. That is where we are right now. Conspiracy theories that China did this intentionally to retaliate and harm the US is utter nonsense. China has been severely damaged by this and that damage will get worse as supply chains are moved out. Xi’s rule has been materially weakened. China was a major loser from the virus. Kim says N Korea has solved the virus problem. They very likely just shot anyone who got sick. Keep in mind Biden attacked Trump for shutting the travel from China and then from the EU. Had Trump not dome that we would be in real trouble. Just imagine if Joe had been in charge right now-we would be in really big trouble.

For perspective. When I visited Warsaw and Dresden I studied the history and was able to get perspective. Warsaw was obliterated by Russian armies. There were only 1,000 people left in the entire city. There was no food or anything. Dresden was burned to the ground. Today both are lovely thriving cities. I then visited Auschwitz and that horrible place. Yet the Jews survived as a people and went on to create one of the most intellectual and advanced nations on earth. Humans rise to the occasion, and the virus in nothing at all by comparison. America is rising up and will be better than ever.

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:02 am**

If you were listening today
Trump said
' we are determined to help the workers, but
We are determined to do it through their enployers'

FAIL!!!

scumbag...
And mort of the DNC is behind him on that...

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Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:35 pm**

Governor here in MI issued a stay put order for all non-essentials today...3 weeks.

Cases here hit 1200.

Gas is down to 1.69

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:25 pm**

Munchy wrote:I don't really get why they're urging use of public transport, as opposed to what? because it seems to me that jumping in my car all alone for essential errands, without exposing myself to anyone else or vice-versa from point A to point B, is the safest way to go if you must..

btw, the trick to getting toilet paper seems to be arriving at the store early in the morning just as they open.

speaking of Corona parties, have you heard that many Americans foolishly believed this was the Corona beer virus, so sales of Corona beer plummeted? lol

not everybody has a car or a driving license , yeah i do feel more comfortable in my own car , a few years passed by since i sold my subaru, the costs were too much to make it technically ok so it can pass the safety test ... a new clutch, new exhaust pipe and some minor things, that still summed up in the total costs
luxury that is ...
but ... :D sitting in the bus, all you have to do is to cough slightly louder and you will get a place to sit down

i like that

Posted: **Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:21 pm**

In February, the Japanese Asahi news report (print and TV) claimed the coronavirus originated in the US, not in China, and that some (or many) of the 14,000 American deaths attributed to influenza may have in fact have resulted from the coronavirus.

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CDC director Robert Redfield admitted some Americans who seemingly died from influenza were tested positive for novel #coronavirus in the posthumous diagnosis, during the House Oversight Committee Wednesday. #COVID19

would hardly call the video of the guy saying it in testimony on capital hill "baseless"

https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavir ... ca/5706272" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And on March 12, in a statement to the US Congress (House Oversight Committee), CDC Director Robert Redfield unwittingly “spilled the beans”. He candidly admitted, yes, some cases diagnosed as seasonal flu could have been coronavirus.

When did this occur? In October, November? What is the chronology. It is worth noting that Redfield’s statement is corroborated by both Japanese and Taiwanese virologists. Two countries which are staunch allies of the USA.

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CDC director Robert Redfield admitted some Americans who seemingly died from influenza were tested positive for novel #coronavirus in the posthumous diagnosis, during the House Oversight Committee Wednesday. #COVID19

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:03 pm**

‘I’m going to keep pushing.’ Anthony Fauci tries to make the White House listen to facts of the pandemic

By Jon Cohen Mar. 22, 2020

Anthony Fauci, who to many watching the now-regular White House press briefings on the pandemic has become the scientific voice of reason about how to respond to the new coronavirus

Q: The first question everyone has is how are you?

A: Well, I’m sort of exhausted. But other than that, I’m good. I mean, I’m not, to my knowledge, coronavirus infected. To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired [laughs].

Q: How are you managing to not get fired?

A: Well, that’s pretty interesting because to [Trump’s] credit, even though we disagree on some things, he listens. He goes his own way. He has his own style. But on substantive issues, he does listen to what I say.

Q: You’ve been in press conferences where things are happening that you disagree with, is that fair to say?

A: Well, I don’t disagree in the substance. It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject.

Q: You stood nearby while President Trump was in the Rose Garden shaking hands with people. You’re a doctor. You must have had a reaction like, “Sir, please don’t do that.”

A: Yes, I say that to the task force. I say that to the staff. We should not be doing that. Not only that—we should be physically separating a bit more on those press conferences. To his credit, the vice president [Mike Pence] is really pushing for physical separation of the task force [during meetings]. He keeps people out of the room—as soon as the room gets like more than 10 people or so, it’s, “Out, everybody else out, go to a different room.” So with regard to the task force, the vice president is really a bear in making sure that we don’t crowd 30 people into the Situation Room, which is always crowded. So, he’s definitely adhering to that. The situation on stage [for the press briefings] is a bit more problematic. I keep saying, “Is there any way we can get a virtual press conference?” Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things one, two, three, four times, and then it happens. So, I’m going to keep pushing.

Q: You’re standing there saying nobody should gather with more than 10 people and there are almost 10 people with you on the stage. And there are certainly more than 10 journalists there asking questions.

A: I know that. I’m trying my best. I cannot do the impossible.

Q: What about the travel restrictions? Trump keeps saying that the travel ban for China, which began 2 February, had a big impact on slowing the spread of the virus to the United States and that he wishes China would have told us 3 to 4 months earlier and that they were “very secretive.” (China did not immediately reveal the discovery of a new coronavirus in late December 2019, but by 10 January, Chinese researchers made the sequence of the virus public.) It just doesn’t comport with facts.

A: I know, but what do you want me to do? I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?

Q: Most everyone thinks that you’re doing a remarkable job, but you’re standing there as the representative of truth and facts, and things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual.

A: The way it happened is that after he made that statement [suggesting China could have revealed the discovery of a new coronavirus 3 to 4 months earlier], I told the appropriate people, it doesn’t comport, because 2 or 3 months earlier would have been September. The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, “By the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don’t say that.” But I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down. OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the

Full interview at:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... s-pandemic" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:50 pm**

The Curve.
Not that one

Flattening the Coronavirus Curve

Posted: **Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:08 pm**

Here is a real time table:

January 11: Chinese state media report the first known death from an illness originating in the Wuhan market. / 

January 15: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) holds a vote to send articles of impeachment to the Senate. Pelosi and House Democrats celebrate the “solemn” occasion with a signing ceremony, using commemorative pens..

January 21: The first person with coronavirus arrives in the United States from China, where he had been in Wuhan.

January 23: The House impeachment managers make their opening arguments for removing President Trump.

January 23: China closes off the city of Wuhan completely to slow the spread of coronavirus to the rest of China.

January 30: Senators begin asking two days of questions of both sides in the president’s impeachment trial.

January 30: The World Health Organization declares a global health emergency as coronavirus continues to spread.

January 31: The Senate holds a vote on whether to allow further witnesses and documents in the impeachment trial.

January 31: President Trump declares a national health emergency and imposes a ban on travel to and from China. Former Vice President Joe Biden calls Trump’s decision “hysterical xenophobia … and fear-mongering.”

February 2: The first death from coronavirus outside China is reported in the Philippines.

February 3: House impeachment managers begin closing arguments, calling Trump a threat to national security.

February 4: President Trump talks about coronavirus in his State of the Union address; Pelosi rips up every page.

February 5: The Senate votes to acquit President Trump on both articles of impeachment, 52-48 and 53-47.

February 5: House Democrats finally take up coronavirus in the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia.

For twenty days, from the day the first death from coronavirus was known, Democrats did nothing about it. They were too busy with the president’s impeachment trial — a trial Pelosi had delayed unnecessarily for several weeks.
To the extent that they commented on coronavirus at all, it was only to tear up the president’s remarks or to call him a racist. They told the nation that he, not coronavirus, was a threat to the national security of the United States

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:20 am**

So it's the Democrat fault for the position we're in not the president who has the authority, and sole responsibility . The President was responsible for disbanding and gutting our Emergency Services and especially disbanding the federal department set up a specially for epidemics after the Ebola crisis, it had plans and personnel in place and Donald Trump the president is still trying to catch up without its guidance and failing with continued lies and misinformation.

It's Democrats fault.

Remember it was Trump who abused the power of the office inviting foreign powers to help him with an American elections . Legally, morally and constitutionally Congress's
hands were tied to impeach. They already took the money they had to do the job they all promised Underoath. Congress did the right thing. Trump was impeached for corruption of the office.

Donald Trump did the wrong thing by cutting emergency services and then lying to the American people and continues to lie. What about that real time table?

That's your idea of truth about the Coronavirus?

Damn evil Democrats they're responsible for all the problems in the world problems

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:26 am**

we have intelligence agencies and assets whos job it is to KNOW about emerging health threats
AND they DID all they way back in November

why was their work sidelined and reports quashed???

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:20 am**

A timeline of Trump playing down the coronavirus threat

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President Trump gambled very early and very often on the idea that the coronavirus wouldn’t turn out to be nearly as severe as some health officials have warned it could get.

The thrust of Trump’s statements about the virus has been almost relentlessly optimistic, which is a marked contrast to some health officials who prefer that people be overly prepared rather than underestimate the threat. Trump has frequently suggested that the United States is winning the battle against the virus, and he has regularly promoted the idea that it could suddenly disappear.

He shifted his commentary somewhat on Monday, though, when he acknowledged the possibility of a recession and said it was most important to take care of the virus first. He even suggested we could be dealing with this through July or August.

“The market will take care of itself,” Trump said moments after the Dow Jones Industrial closed with its worst one-day decline since 1987. “The market will be very strong as soon as we get rid of the virus.”

But even as he was doing so, Trump maintained that he hadn’t said the virus was “under control," which is something he has most definitely said on many occasions -- along with other attempts to play down fears.

Below is a timeline of Trump’s commentary.

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”

Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

Feb. 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

Feb. 26:

Q: This is spreading — or is going to spread, maybe, within communities. That’s the expectation.

A: It may. It may.

Q: Does that worry you?

A: No. ... No, because we’re ready for it. It is what it is. We’re ready for it. We’re really prepared. ... We hope it doesn’t spread. There’s a chance that it won’t spread too, and there’s a chance that it will, and then it’s a question of at what level.

Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

Feb. 28: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Feb. 29: “We’re the number-one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

March 5: “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths.”

March 6: “We did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said, ‘Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away.' ”

March 7: “It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn’t shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."

March 8: Retweets a story about Surgeon General Jerome Adams playing down the risk of coronavirus for Trump personally.

March 9: “The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, ‘The risk is low to the average American.’ ”

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

March 10: “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more.”

March 10: “And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. ... The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 13: Says Food and Drug Administration “will bring, additionally, 1.4 million tests on board next week and 5 million within a month. I doubt we’ll need anywhere near that.”

March 14: “We’re using the full power of the federal government to defeat the virus, and that’s what we’ve been doing.” Also retweeted supporter Candace Owens who cited “good news” on coronavirus, including that, “Italy is hit hard, experts say, because they have the oldest population in Europe (average age of those that have died is 81).”

March 15: “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.”

March 16: “If you’re talking about the virus, no, that’s not under control for any place in the world. ... I was talking about what we’re doing is under control, but I’m not talking about the virus.”

March 17: “We’re going to win. And I think we’re going to win faster than people think -- I hope.”

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:35 am**

meanwhile... Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Trevor Noah, and the Young Turks have seen right through his bullshit all along, but he's become a straight-up cult leader to the brainwashed republicans.
Kool-Aid anyone?

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:36 pm**

Meanwhile

A public radio station in Washington state, KUOW, will no longer be airing White House press briefings on the coronavirus "due to a pattern of false or misleading information provided that cannot be fact checked in real time."

Other networks are also wrestling with the same problem airing misinformation from the presidential briefs. After the death from his misinformation on chloroquine.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:41 pm**

Yet Trump's approval rating for his handling of the epidemic is 60%.

While ALL the other politicians in DC are arguing how best to transfer wealth to the owners, using this pandemic as their smoke screen. Only this time it will be easier than 12 years ago....what are you going to do?...protest?...sorry, no mass gatherings allowed. Very similar to how Obamacare was used to distract the public the last time they did this on such a massive scale. There is a reason a pittance of relief for workers is included with free money for the largest corporations.

Where the fuk is Liz?...she made her bones helping to expose this last time. Guess she's changed her tune.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:53 pm**

So what are you saying Bob, that 1/2 the nation are sheep? Or Trump is doing a good job evidence by consensus, and not spreading misinformation?
??

Munchy's right methinks.
Kool-Aid anyone

"While ALL the other politicians in DC are arguing how best to transfer wealth to the owners,"
Ummm. Senator Sanders for a low-life career politician seems not to be doing that.
And Trump is one of those politicians In Cahoots with raping the country, because he said he would sign it before he read it. Actively urging its Passage. Even in the Republican corporate giveaway form.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:42 pm**

What I'm saying is that all the lefties with Trump derangement syndrome, and all the righties with rabid Trump support, make instituting the correct measures impossible. Y'all make it possible for the theft to occur...while you focus your attention on which TEAM you support. If this were being done the right way, there would be one bill for citizen relief and a seperate bill for corporate relief...not a combination that holds citizens hostage for corporate demands. That is a very simple construct, that most of the populous is too moronic to understand evidently.

Find yourself some Dylan Ratigan knowledge to soak in...he seems to understand pretty well how all this is playing out.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:19 pm**

Dude I'm not bringing all the team raw Raw supporting here. you are, I was contributing to the truth about the Coronavirus such as from Doctor Fauci. And a little showing where the falsehoods are. The flip side of Truth.

You and lrus are bringing partisan politics into this.

Try Trump's reign for some of that fiction.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:33 pm**

its a cheap shot that derangement thing
im willing to believe that 60% BELIEVE that's a fair assessment WHILE at the same time 80% of them will go for ALL the stopgap measures being fought for...

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:37 pm**

Absurd and wrong’: Watch Bernie Sanders deliver a fiery Senate floor speech admonishing GOP’s relentless efforts to ‘punish’ poor people

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The Senate Has Passed the Largest Corporate Bailout in US History

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Anti-Abortion Groups Are Using the COVID-19 Outbreak to Stop Abortions

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Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:05 pm**

Intrinsic wrote:Dude I'm not bringing all the team raw Raw supporting here. you are, I was contributing to the truth about the Coronavirus...

You and lrus are bringing partisan politics into this.

...earlier...

Intrinsic wrote:It's Democrats fault.

Remember it was Trump who abused the power of the office inviting foreign powers to help him with an American elections . Legally, morally and constitutionally Congress's
hands were tied to impeach. They already took the money they had to do the job they all promised Underoath. Congress did the right thing. Trump was impeached for corruption of the office.

Eat some shit.

I gave you a non-partisan source of information...use it, or remain ignorant...the choice is yours.

bentech wrote:its a cheap shot that derangement thing

No it is not. TDS is the same level of mental retardation as ardent Trump supporters.
Blind partisanship has been what has kept us from instituting a universal healthcare system for the last 100 years. We should have been the 1st country to implement it, yet we still haven't...and now that fact is fukking us. But let's blame Trump instead...fukking morons.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:09 pm**

No Dorothy, coronavirus is a natural pathogen as the genetic boffins like to drone on and on about.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... sis-nature" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The virus’s genetic makeup reveals that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a mishmash of known viruses, as might be expected if it were human-made. And it has unusual features that have only recently been identified in scaly anteaters called pangolins, evidence that the virus came from nature, Kristian Andersen and his colleagues report March 17 in Nature Medicine.

Andersen assembled a team of evolutionary biologists and virologists, including Garry, from several countries to analyze the virus for clues that it could have been human-made, or grown in and accidentally released from a lab.

“We said, ‘Let’s take this theory — of which there are multiple different versions — that the virus has a non-natural origin … as a serious potential hypothesis,’ ” Andersen says.

Meeting via Slack and other virtual portals, the researchers analyzed the virus’s genetic makeup, or RNA sequence, for clues about its origin.

It was clear “almost overnight” that the virus wasn’t human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. “Genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone,” Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

Other scientists agree. “We see absolutely no evidence that the virus has been engineered or purposely released,” says Emma Hodcroft, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of Basel in Switzerland. She was not part of Andersen’s group, but is a member of a team of scientists with Nextstrain.org that is tracking small genetic changes in the coronavirus to learn more about how it is spreading around the world.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:11 pm**

Meanwhile The more you know ..

Finding peculiar features

Andersen’s group next set out to determine whether the virus could have been accidentally released from a lab. That’s a real possibility because researchers in many places are working with coronaviruses that have potential to infect humans, he says. “Stuff comes out of the lab sometimes, almost always accidentally,” he says.

A couple of unexpected features of the virus caught the researchers’ eyes, Andersen says. In particular, the gene encoding the coronavirus’s spike protein has 12 extra RNA building blocks, or nucleotides, stuck in it.

This spike protein protrudes from the virus’ surface and allows the virus to latch onto and enter human cells. That insertion of RNA building blocks adds four amino acids to the spike protein, and creates a site in the protein for an enzyme called furin to cut. Furin is made in human cells, and cleaves proteins only at spots where a particular combination of amino acids is found, like the one created by the insertion. SARS and other SARS-like viruses don’t have those cutting sites.

Finding the furin cutting site was a surprise: “That was an aha moment and an uh-oh moment,” Garry says. When bird influenza viruses acquire the ability to be cut by furin, the viruses often become more easily transmissible. The insertion also created places where sugar molecules could be fastened to the spike protein, creating a shield to protect the virus from the immune system.

The COVID-19 virus’ spike protein also binds more tightly to a protein on human cells called ACE2 than SARS does (SN: 3/10/20). Tighter binding may allow SARS-CoV-2 to more easily infect cells. Together, those features may account for why COVID-19 is so contagious (SN: 3/13/20).

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:45 pm**

I am with Bob here the goddamn crazies on both sides need a spanking and time out for fucks sakes.
Stop the political stoooooooopid.........all of you.
This is America that means keep your religion,politics,sexual orientation,skin color and gender tardation to YOURSELF.
The rest of us ain't responsible or concerned about it.
We are concerned with you literally creating the conditions for a dictator to take over.......please stop the needless panic.

Gracias for letting me vent that out I feel a bit overwhelmed by all the extreme political,racial and social bigotry being espoused so openly by democrats.
I thought that shit stopped during the new dealio........racism is racism.

Posted: **Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:56 pm**

i am also with bob, let 's help the people. fuck the bickering..

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:51 am**

I’ve got a friend who is one of the nation’s leading scientists working on this for Team USA and explains it like this: think of the borg ... from star trek ...assimilation...the issue with this RNA-virus is that each patient presents as unique.

Because it effects each individually, differently, makes this a bitch to isolate what will be effective treatment.

Yes we know some have lung issues and go into acute respiratory distress, but some others have kidney failure and still others seem to have cardiac events that lead to heart attacks.

Due to the fact that some are asymptomatic and others seem to be able to carry and not get infected and others are gone in a matter of hours means this shit is still evolving and yes the little corona spikes are a big issue because due to the osmotic pressure of your cells its impossible to keep the virus from latching on if you will.

Possible solutions to this are to study the effects of ACE inhibitors to deprive the virus of a protrusion to latch onto buying a little time but average clinical study is 18 months, and we could be in a much more real world of hurt by then.

Either the serum is going to work to produce natural antibodies from the recovered or there’s gonna be a whole lot of dead people while we await clinical trials.

The worst part about the whole situation is in this country America is we have spent the better part of the last nearly 50 years on a profit based model for Healthcare that saw HMOs and insurance companies reward CEOs with huge compensation packages rather than put profits back into patient development.

There’s only about 6,200 hospitals in America — 3,800 in urban areas about 1,800 in the rural communities.

We have 330,000,000+ people in the country and we have about 1 million hospital beds, of which about 200,000 are ICU capable, 100,000 ready to go, with about 60,000 already in use on any given day.

The numbers don’t look good.

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Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:37 am**

We still have zero cases in our local rural hospital.
The numbers say we will be ok as we are seeing very different scenarios play out in differing societies.
Wealth in a society seems to be the cure.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:18 am**

Hiya arb! Yeah there are 0 cases of infection are hospitalization here in my little rural County.

Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.
New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.
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8 weeks ago it was only 20%

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:21 am**

The more you know..

Coronavirus is a large family of viruses that includes many different diseases. SARS-CoV-2 does share similarities with other coronaviruses, four of which can cause the common cold. All five viruses have spiky projections on their surfaces and utilize so-called spike proteins to infect host cells. However, the four cold coronaviruses — named 229E, NL63, OC43 and HKU1 — all utilize humans as their primary hosts. SARS-CoV-2 shares about 90% of its genetic material with coronaviruses that infect bats, which suggests that the virus originated in bats and later hopped to humans.

Evidence suggests that the virus passed through an intermediate animal before infecting humans. Similarly, the SARS virus jumped from bats to civets (small, nocturnal mammals) on its way into people, whereas MERS infected camels before spreading to humans.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:39 am**

An analysis of the evidence, according to the findings first published in the scientific journal Nature Medicine, shows that the novel coronavirus "is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," with the researchers concluding "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, supported the study’s findings, writing on his blog, "This study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19."

Researchers concluded that the novel coronavirus is not a human creation because it does not share any "previously used virus backbone." It likely arose, the study said, from a recombination of a virus found in bats and another virus, possibly originating from pangolins, otherwise known as scaly anteaters.

"We know from the study of other coronaviruses that they’re able to acquire this [variation] and they can then become more pathogenic," Garry told ABC News. "This is a good explanation as to why this virus is so transmittable and has caused this pandemic."

The mutation in surface proteins, according to Garry, could have triggered the outbreak of the pandemic, but it’s also possible that a less severe version of the illness was circulating through the population for years, perhaps even decades, before escalating to this point.
"We don’t know if those mutations were picked up more recently or a long time ago," Garry told ABC News. "It’s impossible to say if it actually was a mutation that triggered the pandemic, but either way, it would have been a naturally occurring process."

And while many believe the virus originated at a fish market in Wuhan, China, Garry said that it is also a misconception.

"Our analyses, and others too, point to an earlier origin than that," Garry said. "There were definitely cases there, but that wasn’t the origin of the virus."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:43 am**

arb wrote:I am with Bob here the goddamn crazies on both sides need a spanking and time out for fucks sakes.

the conservative crazies are all packing out churches and not washing their hands in protest of government because as they put it "all you have to do is cry out to god!"

the progressive crazies are merely insisting we have full healthcare

NOTHING AT ALL like each other in terms of insistence or validity of what theyre demanding...

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:51 pm**

bentech wrote:the progressive crazies...

The progressives are not the "crazies" on the left you fukking imbecile, and you know that...how disingenuous of you, to use such rhetoric to further your TEAM mentality.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:59 pm**

bentech wrote:
arb wrote:I am with Bob here the goddamn crazies on both sides need a spanking and time out for fucks sakes.

the conservative crazies are all packing out churches and not washing their hands in protest of government because as they put it "all you have to do is cry out to god!"

the progressive crazies are merely insisting we have full healthcare

NOTHING AT ALL like each other in terms of insistence or validity of what theyre demanding...

^Right on.

On the flip side of Truth... misinformation
For your safety is best to ignore four out of five things President Trump says.

Correcting Trump’s Press Conference Misinformation.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/corre ... formation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FACTCHECK POSTS

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:13 pm**

Also, i 'm against Bob and lrus continuing bringing partisan politics into the coronavirus discussion.
No Bob I didn't bring it in lrus and then you did. i just was correcting his misinformation on blaming a particular political party. then Trying to ignore your further baiting.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:20 pm**

The more you know..

Trump lied they'll be more suicides deaths then from the Coronavirus if we keep with the lockdown longer than 2 weeks.
The president's advice to keep the nation healthy is to ignore Dr. Fauci advice on lockdown and Keep the rich happy, go back to work.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... riefing-9/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is going away. We’re — we’re going to win the battle, but we also have — you know, you have tremendous responsibility. We have jobs, we have — people get tremendous anxiety and depression, and you have suicides over things like this when you have terrible economies. You have death. Probably and — I mean, definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:37 pm**

Howdy intrinsic!
Nice to be able to disagree in a civilized manner....as fellow Americans as should have civil discourse.
Fuck........as human beings we should do that.
The virus is real our response should be as well.
Also will say censoring the potus is fucked and udderly un-american.
I don't like a LOT of shit people say.........but I will not shit up and allow fascism.
Shutting down political opposition is fascism eh bent?

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:22 pm**

Intrinsic wrote:...i 'm against Bob...continuing bringing partisan politics into the coronavirus discussion.

If you are going to accuse me, then show some proof I did any such thing...quit talking shit.

I merely reacted to your partisan injection, which I quoted, with a well publicised statistic.

This is the problem with your team mentality politics, as soon as someone points out your flawed thinking, you automatically put them in what you view to be the opposing team....without taking into consideration that you are wrong. My team always right, other team always wrong. Do you even comprehend the level of stupidity of that?

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:06 pm**

You lost me bob
TDS is the label of anyone who doesnt watch merdock
Or listen to sinclair

Name one craze progressive in congress!

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:12 pm**

rSin wrote:You lost me bob
TDS is the label of anyone who doesnt watch merdock
Or listen to sinclair

No, it is the label for the Clinton/Obama folks that think 'orange man bad'...that everything Trump does is wrong. That is simply untrue. For example, he squashed NAFTA, which was good because the arrangement was shit...but then he got USMCA enacted, which was bad because the arrangement is only minisculely better than NAFTA. Applying that to the pandemic, Trump's travel restrictions were good...Fauci himself said so. But that didn't stop the TDSers from saying he was wrong to do so. Yes, he is a terrible president...but if you are not fair in your evaluations AND accepting of self critique, then you serve no purpose other than to evade the truth.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:20 pm**

arb wrote:Howdy intrinsic!
Nice to be able to disagree in a civilized manner....as fellow Americans as should have civil discourse.
Fuck........as human beings we should do that.
The virus is real our response should be as well.
Also will say censoring the potus is fucked and udderly un-american.
I don't like a LOT of shit people say.........but I will not shit up and allow fascism.
Shutting down political opposition is fascism eh bent?

Not sure what you're talking about I never advocating censorship on Trump. ??
Where do you get that?

As a matter of fact I reprint n big black and white here so all can see. This is serious shit this novel Coronavirus. Misinformation should be addressed.

But I do advocate for people pointing out the president and any others misinformation and lies. And replacing it with facts. Such as the good Doctor Fauci does regularly. Thanks doc.

Is that where you got the idea that I'm for censoring Trump??? Cuz I call him wrong?

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:26 pm**

Fwiw,
Standard surgical masks cannot protect you from SARS-CoV-2, as they are not designed to block out viral particles and do not lay flush to the face, as Live Science previously reported. That said, surgical masks can help prevent infected people from spreading the virus further by blocking any respiratory droplets that could be expelled from their mouths.

The more you know..

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:08 pm**

Intrinsic wrote:
arb wrote:Howdy intrinsic!
Nice to be able to disagree in a civilized manner....as fellow Americans as should have civil discourse.
Fuck........as human beings we should do that.
The virus is real our response should be as well.
Also will say censoring the potus is fucked and udderly un-american.
I don't like a LOT of shit people say.........but I will not shit up and allow fascism.
Shutting down political opposition is fascism eh bent?
Not sure what you're talking about I never advocating censorship on Trump. ??
Where do you get that?

As a matter of fact I reprint n big black and white here so all can see. This is serious shit this novel Coronavirus. Misinformation should be addressed.

But I do advocate for people pointing out the president and any others misinformation and lies. And replacing it with facts. Such as the good Doctor Fauci does regularly. Thanks doc.

Is that where you got the idea that I'm for censoring Trump??? Cuz I call him wrong?

Sorry I was venting and lumped you in with a bunch of others......point away by all means.
First time I haven't been called a"uneducated racist "for simply saying my piece........noice.

Posted: **Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:56 pm**

Ahh. Ok, Thanks man,

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:04 am**

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:59 pm**

Fuuuk....I live too close to Detroit.

Cases in MI at almost 3,700 as of yesterday, 92 deaths...most are in Detroit and the surrounding area.

MI was pretty quick to close schools, then public businesses like restaurants and bars, then a 'stay put' order....yet we're the 5th most affected state...WTF?

Now Trump and Whitmer (our governor) are in some kind of pissing match.

Oh but gas is down to 1.66 .....whoopie.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:15 pm**

We still have zero in our county in Montana but now whooping cough is growing.
Fortunately we are spread out density wise and not really enough of us to empty the safeway.
Hour drive to the closest Wal-Mart or airport other than the crop dusters which is probably why.
Be safe and if you are so inclined or in need........holy Fuck there is a fortune in stooopid waiting to be had and incoming for sure.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:43 pm**

Just went out....needed some smoke, stash was empty. Kept my 6' social distance from my freinds, which is difficult because we're used to lotsa handshakes and hugs. As I went past the gas station, noticed price is down to 1.59...and as I passed our tiny village grocery store, noticed easily over 100 cars in the parking lot (it seldom gets that full in normal times). I'm almost afraid to look at news I normally watch on youtube...got depressed yesterday watching all that shit. Luckily the last thing I watched was an address from Dr Fauci, so that calmed me down a bit. I know the odds are in my favor, but I sure as fuk don't want to be one of the folks that needs to be hospitalized.

Posted: **Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:06 pm**

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:43 am**

a new rumor is out on da streets ... the much hated -interferon- (previously used to treat hepc) is said to be successful in the fight against this virus
sounds logical, but no further evidence has surfaced

i know a few guys who fought hepc with interferon, and everyone said, it makes you majorly sick, its all but a relief but kills down the hepc virus, so it is successful but for a price most arent willing to pay (also this shit costs enormous amounts of money)

time will tell , but i rather point towards maviret https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glecaprevir/pibrentasvir" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; , it wouldnt make me wonder if it rly works out

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:03 pm**

Tom Campbell: Fireside Chat Covid-19 crisis - March 22, 2020

long, but worth it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:50 pm**

From John Hopkins Hospital on COVID-19 Virus

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressors and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius (77 degrees f) for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol, and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
-4 hours (copper and wood)
-24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
-72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* You have to humidify hands dried from so much washing because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

Posted: **Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:55 pm**

72 hours is its max lifespan outside a host then,that is good.
Still clear here but a lion killed a deer on the wife's daily walk path last night.
Less than 300 feet from the back of the house so that was exciting......she skipped the morning lap.

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:23 am**

GREGG BRADEN - THE FAKE NEWS ABOUT CORONAVIRUS:
What The World Needs To Know About COVID-19

Posted: **Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:08 pm**

A choir decided to go ahead with rehearsal. Now dozens of members have COVID-19 and two are dead

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-cho ... spartandhp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:55 pm**

Went into town to get mail, been a while . Gas 2.89 filled up. Always tap it later if I need more for the chainsaw or whatever. Everyone was being courteous with the distancing. .

For what it's worth my big interaction today was when I let out an uncontrollable little laugh when initially i saw President Trump's postcard. And a lady about my age at her post office box held up her little mailer too, looked at me and smiled.
Sweet.

Posted: **Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 pm**

Ah I see where the rant on censorship comes from. Where I live you can only get broadcast TV. 4 major networks, pbs Telemundo, Univision and local news for most of the state.

No live broadcast of Pence task force and presidential briefings to be found. A few days now ABC was the last one to do it live. All I get is clips ftom the various news stations after the fact.
Can people with cable watch it live?

Had to use the internet to actually watch it in entirety
Yay BS.
Half of Americans don't have access to the internet and less will have enough money to pay to keep it.

True the message on Corporate America, pillows and God was time I'll never get back.

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:06 pm**

Progressive lawmakers on Friday evening denounced President Donald Trump’s intention to disregard provisions in the just-passed coronavirus relief bill that would provide crucial oversight of $500 billion in taxpayer money already poised to be a “Wall Street slush fund.”
“This is unacceptable,” Rep. Katie Porter (D-Calif.) said on Twitter Friday.

The $2 trillion relief package— the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act or CARES—was passed by the House on Friday. Democratic lawmakers welcomed the critical aid it would provide to working families but called the measure far from perfect, with the legislation’s half a trillion dollar fund to bail out corporations, to be controlled by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, drawing sharp criticism.

Shortly after signing the bill into law Friday, the president released a “signing statement” in which he signaled he views himself as decider of who staffs an oversight committee and would reject a newly created inspector general questioning how Mnuchin chooses to dole out the bailout money.

As the New York Times reported,

Trump suggested that under his own understanding of his constitutional powers as president, he can gag the special inspector general for pandemic recovery, known by the acronym S.I.G.P.R., and keep information from Congress. […]

The signing statement also challenged several other provisions in the bill, including one requiring consultation with Congress about who should be the staff leaders of a newly formed executive branch committee charged with conducting oversight of the government’s response to the pandemic.

Trump Announces Plan to Refuse Congressional Oversight of Corporate Bailout

https://truthout.org/articles/trump-ann ... e-bailout/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:55 pm**

rSin wrote:Progressive lawmakers...<whine>...

What a bunch of bullshit. Those cowardice assholes should have voted the bill down. No one in their right mind thought there would be any oversight. Really?...a 5 person panel to monitor $5 Trillion?...AFTER it's been disbursed? Had Trump done nothing, there still would have been no oversight. Even Truthout didn't have the balls to explain how that $500 Billion is really $5 Trillion once fractional reserve banking is applied.
The politicians and media served us a huge platter of shit, and NOW they're having second thoughts?...GTFO

Gas is down to 1.49 here...saw it as low as 1.44 in Flint.

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:43 am**

We're at $1.44 here on the other side of the pond, Bob.

Yeah, we're all getting fucked for $1,200 you're supposed to take it while the banks and Corporate America get bailed out on the backs of the little guy.

So far, I'm 0 for 2 on the SBA disaster relief loans from the CARES act.

Seems to me that they're picking winners and losers again, and the shit with the broad from Georgia and her asshole husband making umpteen millions on their stock liquidations as well as my senator and hell Diane Feinstein's Blind Trust (wink wink managed by her husband)... we need to flog these people like piñatas.

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:26 am**

smokebreaks wrote:So far, I'm 0 for 2 on the SBA disaster relief loans from the CARES act.

That first one is supposed to be pretty much guaranteed...minimal requirements to turn it from loan to grant. My friend put in an app for her diner (still waiting to see if it goes though), but seeing as the state has restrictions on restaurants, she is not able for the second one to become a grant. I caught wind of the programs from this CPA on y/t...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCigUBI ... 6xyOQtq2WA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He seems to know whats going on as soon as it's happening and goes through all the info in his vids...in case your interested in an additional source of info.

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:31 am**

2.59

wanna bet I wont see the 12 hundred?

I didn't get either of the other ones 10 and 20 years ago...

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:58 pm**

I bet you you won't get one of those Trump's guidelines for Coronavirus postcard either being not a registered voter.
Yeah you're screwed regardless.

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:09 pm**

Please give the president
my honest regards
for disregarding me

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:10 pm**

this is similar misinformation to what I started thread about,
still happening at the highest levels in some areas...
the Governor of Georgia was sadly deluded until now,
unaware that the virus could be spread asymptomatically,
but they're saying his ignorance was his own fault
although Trumps postcard certainly failed to mention it..
but now that Governor is still exempting churches from avoiding gatherings.

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Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:52 pm**

MI one week ago...
2,295 cases...43 deaths

MI thru yesterday...
9,334 cases...337 deaths

For all our early responses, we still seem to be sky rocketing in numbers.

Nationally, 10 Million new jobless claims in the last 2 weeks.

And it looks like they may be considering a national 'stay put' order.

Posted: **Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:11 pm**

im seeing mixed reductions at the big box building supplies,
spray shields have gone up between customers and cashiers everywhere

big plexi must be surging...

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:02 am**

Acrylic is f’kin expensive shit to begin with...

This is gonna be a mess.

$350 Billion in business funding, for the entire economy.

6 Trillion plus for Corporate America.

A company with $100,000 a week payroll is still classified Small business.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:53 am**

Trump announced days ago that he was activating and deploying the National Guard,
so I was wondering what actions that could result in...
well this was sent to me on facebook, so I dunno it could be a hoax.. maybe.. or maybe not?
just in case, it can't hurt to be prepared.

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Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:36 pm**

Hoax.
Snopes and politiFact, both give it 100% false rating.

Interesting to see they changed the White House postcard. guess I wasn't the only one giving the White House grief over Trump using it as a campaign advertisement.

"For all our early responses"
Bob, Did you not see that video above of the governor of Georgia. He Was still drinking the Trump's in-denial flavored Kool-Aid, last week.
Taiwan had a good early response.
America did not.
We were still being told everything's going to be fine, it's totally under control, pack the churches on Easter. Your idea of early and mine differ widely.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:37 pm**

thanks for checking that. my postcard looks the same as yours on that side, but yours looks different on the other side?

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:24 pm**

Too too bad I thought that was the front. Fwiw the othet side is is different.

Did everyone get one of these?

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Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:25 pm**

I'm not referring to the national level Intrinsic, I'm referring to my state's actions.
MI was quick to close schools...they will not reopen this school year.
...quick to close social businesses, like restaurants and bars...
...one of the 1st states to issue 'stay put' orders...potential $500 fine, looking at upping that to $1,000...
...encouraging 'ratting' on non-essential businesses refusing to close down.
MI is one of the states responding early and heavily...but our numbers don't reflect any significant effect.

Lot of businesses here getting killed financially...but still lots of folks out running around. Tons of folks out of work with nothing to do...and nice weather, that folks want to get out and enjoy. Maybe defiance is countering the precautions.

Just seems strange to me that my state's numbers are so high, comparatively speaking.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:31 pm**

Ahh ok, thanks for clearing that up.

Posted: **Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:32 pm**

its a crime they havnt put a laptop and high speed internet in the home of ever student out of school...

Posted: **Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:19 am**

isnt corona mighty .....

who would have thought that such a small thingy will crash nearly the whole world, at least it will crash all first and second worlds

come on , lets sing "its the end of th world, and we love it ... !"

zombie nations we wre

Posted: **Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:15 am**

This is a massive power grab and will end in world wide fascism if we don't stop it.........my guess.
The mortality rates in no way shape or form justify what is occurring.

Posted: **Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:13 pm**

arb wrote:This is a massive power grab and will end in world wide fascism if we don't stop it.........my guess.
The mortality rates in no way shape or form justify what is occurring.

we cant stop it, nobody can, its designed to be a perfect weapon

the only irony in this is the fact that the usa had done the funding for its research, and now its coming back like a boomerang and killin thousands of ppl in their own nation ...

if you thought that no "chief of operations" would sacrifice more than 2000 ppl , who were in the tower buildings, read wtc, now you gotta ask yourself ... who sacrified 1.3 mio worldwide (340.000 in the states) , then you should be more than afraid of so called democracy, which are only dirty power games in the battle for the nwo ....

scary rly scary, but such a virus isnt that aggressive like two planes in 2 towers with a lot of fire and drama, but as you see by the number of deaths, it is rly more effective in its purpose; also a virus is more likely not to be blamed as dr evil , compared to classical weapons made of steel , as you can blame an evil dictator or politician or a whole country and continent ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjaQJTBTGU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:45 pm**

cheap gas 2.51...

Posted: **Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:46 pm**

world wide fascism has been on the march for 40 years...

Posted: **Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:01 pm**

Only 40. All right then. just a fad.

Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:42 am**

Well.......can't run on the banks now can we as they ain't open.
Cannot access safety deposit boxes either as smokes mentioned.
Mortality rates not even a single percentage point even with them cooking the covid numbers yet we have defacto martial law.
This smells.......it's a smelly smell that smells smelly.

Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 am**

The martial law concept in the United States is closely tied with the right of habeas corpus, which is in essence the right to a hearing on lawful imprisonment, or more broadly, the supervision of law enforcement by the judiciary. The ability to suspend habeas corpus is related to the imposition of martial law.[34] Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." There have been many instances of the use of the military within the borders of the United States, such as during the Whiskey Rebellion and in the South during the Civil Rights Movement, but these acts are not tantamount to a declaration of martial law. The distinction must be made as clear as that between martial law and military justice: deployment of troops does not necessarily mean that the civil courts cannot function, and that is one of the keys, as the Supreme Court has noted, to martial law.

interesting that neither party has said boo about the DOJ asking to suspend habeas corpus...

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Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:28 am**

8 more deaths in my county yesterday (26 total).

Gas is down to 1.39 ....in the past it has been as much as 3x that price.

Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:52 pm**

2.49...

Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:57 pm**

my dads cousin died 2 nights ago because of corona and my friends dad last night of corona too...

Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:00 pm**

dill786 wrote:my dads cousin died 2 nights ago because of corona and my friends dad last night of corona too...

Sorry to hear of so much loss so close to you,be safe and good luck.

Posted: **Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:20 pm**

Damn!
I was hoping you would check in but not like this. Sorry man.
You?

Posted: **Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:41 am**

thanks guys...

seems no end to this, looks like the whole world will be a different place after this is over.....

been chatting to mates on phone... ive been at home nearly 2 weeks now. still getting 80% of my salary from the government, dont know if the firm i work for is gonna survive....

been hearing lots of conspiracy about the 5G network behind all this....

just keep your distance fellas and wash your hands a few times a day !!!

Posted: **Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:32 pm**

the best info on that g5 ive found at globalresearch.ca

personally I don't buy it because if its the radio waves then the surge of ailments would have happened 20 years ago
there is no power different between any of the g's
its just the number of packets

same stuff UNLESS
their going to be 100x more of those antenna's
which might be it...

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:31 am**

Saw a blurb about a tiger in the Bronx zoo sick and testing positive for covid19.
That is scary if true..............very scary.

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:56 pm**

Charlotte Figi, the girl who inspired a CBD movement, has died at age 13
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/health/c ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:36 pm**

MI two weeks ago...
2,295 cases...43 deaths

MI one week ago...
9,334 cases...337 deaths

MI thru yesterday...
20,346 cases...959 deaths

Our 'stay put' order was set to expire on the 13th...the governor will be announcing an extention tomorrow.
Violating the order carries a $1,000 fine...I've already heard from folks who know someone who has been slapped with it.
A lot of folks I know have 'papers' to allow them to be out.
Evidently 48 states now have some type of 'stay put' order in place.

The US has seen 17 million lose their jobs (10% of entire workforce) in the last 3 weeks.

But hey....gas is down to 1.34

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:40 am**

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:53 am**

As the coronavirus pandemic has forced people to stay inside, few companies have proven themselves as essential as Amazon. From groceries to cleaning supplies, shipments from Amazon have become lifelines for many who are steering clear of supermarkets and other physical retail stores. Company executives have likened the surge in demand to the annual holiday shopping crush. But e-commerce isn't the only sector where Amazon is booming. Analysts say its cloud business, Amazon Web Services, faces higher demand as people turn to some of its biggest clients -- from Zoom to Netflix -- for work and play. Amazon sells access to audiobooks and original television programs that are helping to entertain reluctant shut-ins. And with more people staying home, that's more time they have to engage with Amazon's AI-powered smart speakers.

The breadth of Amazon's sprawling business interests, and its increasingly central place in America's fragile supply chain, underscores the company's hold on consumers -- and its potential to solidify its dominance in the coming months. The longer this crisis goes on, the more formidable Amazon will become, according to James Bailey, a management professor at George Washington University's business school. "Every crisis creates a void," said Bailey. "And whatever force fills that void, inherits power." Amazon isn't the only company that could benefit. The crisis appears to be lifting the entire e-commerce industry, according to Bank of America research, which showed the sector grew 16% in March compared to a year ago. Those consumer habits could persist even after the crisis passes, marking a potential tidal wave of change benefiting Amazon's bottom line for years to come. But thanks to its existing advantages in scale and efficiency, Amazon stands to emerge from the pandemic stronger than many of its competitors, experts say. In light of the pandemic, Amazon could pull in as much as an additional $4 billion in revenue this year, though added costs of managing the pandemic may cut into Amazon's profits, said Bank of America in an investor note last week.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/04/1 ... -strengths" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:25 pm**

South korea has announced 91 cases of RE infection!

If correct that means 2021 is toast as well

And probably worse as
The economical ramification
Are going to be horendous...

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:21 pm**

Our 'stay put' order was extended, from the 13th to the 30th...and it's scope is expanded...
Got two homes you've been jumping back and forth from?...pick one, the shuttling back and forth is now illegal.
Have seeds for this years garden?...because those have now been deemed "non-essential", as have many products sold by stores that are still open...stores have been ordered to cordon off areas of the store that have goods deemed "non-essential".

Got stimulus?....
The corporate hogs have already bellied up to the trough....but have you gotten your measly $1,200 yet?
I have not heard of any small business who has gotten anything from the first small business package. My friend with the diner, which has been restricted to 'carry out' only, got her denial. The CPA I watch for info said he filed March 30, and still has not heard anything. He now thinks we may have been hoodwinked, because there was only $10 billion earmarked for that program...while the $350 billion for the second (harder to get) program is already almost gone.

Who needs stimulus anyways...
A whopping 31% of rents had not been paid by the 5th...that's up 11 points from March, and 12 points from last April.
Many folks out of work are having a hard time getting unemployment benefits, due to the back log of excessive new applicants. And if you are self-employed, a gig worker, or any other form of labor granted those benefits under the stimulus package, they will not even be looking at those claims until at least next month, or longer.

But hey...I saw gas down as low as 1.24 in Flint.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:06 pm**

I find it sadly ironic how
The more the people are squeezed

The less thy seem to believe
That they deserve better

The kings of old never had it this good

The the ones of today
Wont stop at being only as bad as
the demons of old...

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:41 pm**

Google

Farmer jones
@Farmerjones

'this one hell of a paragraph'

Particular!
Ar trump purges the inspector generals...

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:17 pm**

It is amazing to me that mother nature, with only what essentially is nothing more than a microscopic piece of coding, has done more to combat "global warming" than an entire planet of human beings.

But then again I'm on mushrooms right now, sooo....

....oh look, there's another thought....

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:21 pm**

i had to go to the shop earlier on today to get some provisions, the online shopping is booked for the whole of next week.. i had my N95 respiratory mask on and was sweating bullets it was a warm day... seen kids on bikes just cycling around, people sitting outside next to each other chatting away.. guys in the park smoking weed.. nobody kept 6 feet apart in the shop because there was no fucking room, couldn't wait to get the fuck out of the shop, came straight home and washed my hands with warm soapy water.... they are saying gonna take a year for it all to settle down.....

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:42 pm**

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:30 pm**

Butcher Bob wrote:It is amazing to me that mother nature, with only what essentially is nothing more than a microscopic piece of coding, has done more to combat "global warming" than an entire planet of human beings.

But then again I'm on mushrooms right now, sooo....

....oh look, there's another thought....

Yep. She knows who's boss. It was probably about time she reminded us, too.

I guess we can all agree that losing 100 million or so humans isn't a bad thing. Unless it's someone you know.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:30 am**

rSin wrote: Farmer jones
@Farmerjones

'this one hell of a paragraph'

americans are, of course, the most throughly and passively indoctrinated people on
earth. they know next to nothing as a rule about their own history, or the histories of
other nations, or the histories of various social movements that have risen and fallen
inthe past, and they certainly know little or nothing of the complexities and
contradictions comprised within the words like 'socialism' and 'capitalism. chiefly, what
they have been trained not to know or even suspect is that, in many ways, they enjoy far
fewer freedoms, and suffer under a more intrusive centralized state, than do the citizens of
countries with more vigorous social-democratic institutions. this is at once the most
comic and most tragic aspect of the excitable alarm that talk of social democracy or
democratic socialism can elicit on these shores. an enormous number of americans have
been persuaded to believe that they are freer in the abstract than, say, germans or danes
precisely because they possess fare fewer freedoms in the concrete. they are far more
vulnerable to medical and financial crisis, far more likely to receive inadequate health
coverage, far more prone to irreparable insolvency, far more unprotected against
predatory creditors, far more subject to income inequality, and so forth, while effectively
paying MORE tax [when one figures federal, state, local, and sales taxes, and then
compounded those by the expenditures that in the country, as almost nowhere else,
their taxes do not cover]. one might think that a people who once rebelled against the
mightiest empire on earth on the principle of no taxation without representation would
not meekly accept taxation without adequate government services. but we accept what w4e
have become used to, i suppose. even so, one has to ask what state apparatus in the
"free" world could be more powerful and tyrannical than the one that taxes its citizens
while providing no substantial civic benefits in return, solely in order to enrich a
piratically overinflated military-industrial complex and to ease the tax burden of the
immensely wealthy?

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:19 pm**

https://www.latimes.com/projects/califo ... -outbreak/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is where I've been going for data on California numbers. Worldometer Is okay also.
The numbers are staggering. Rate of increase.

Hope for today. at 7:30 there are 0 deaths, 0 cases .. maybe this be the first day we have less deaths then we had yesterday. Or cases whichever is your preferred metric.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:25 pm**

had another death in the family his morning, my mums cousin died of corona he was in his 70`s died in hospital, couldnt go to the funeral either as they only allow close family... and it was a closed coffin to not allowed to reveal the face as per islamic customs..

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:22 pm**

damn so sorry dill

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:09 pm**

Sincere condolence dill

Waiting for this to strike home myself

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:30 pm**

Dang here in California more people died again yesterday than the day before. Picking up bread crumbs at least it was and increase from 55 to 57 daily deaths. The bread crumb is the rate of increase is less then yesterday.

Sorry dill, your numbers alone are staggering.

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:13 pm**

in the UK we are getting an average of 800+ deaths per day, this is just in hospitals, they don't record home deaths and care home deaths so on the news they said it could be 50% more than official hospital recorded deaths of corona.......

can you just imagine what the death toll is going to be like in the coming weeks in places like INDIA, South Africa, Iraq, Syria etc.........

Posted: **Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:54 pm**

my deepest sympathies to you and your family Dill. This is going to be catastrophic for the developing world in ways that are incalculable.

I only hope that its not a long drawn out process if it happens to infect me.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:43 pm**

Condolences Dill.

Just got off the phone with mom...her sister is in ICU...not from the virus, but on a ventilator none the less. We are just glad one was still available. Her live-in caretaker is freaking out because she is not allowed in the hospital to check up on my aunt.

Another week, higher numbers...

MI 3 weeks ago...
2,295 cases...43 deaths

MI 2 week ago...
9,334 cases...337 deaths

MI 1 week ago...
20,346 cases...959 deaths

MI thru yesterday...
28,059 cases...1,921 deaths

Yesterday protesters shut down our state capitol, filling the streets with their vehicles...they don't like the imposed rules.

Four counties have sheriffs that have said they won't enforce those lock down rules.

And gas is down to 1.09

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:49 pm**

Damn damn damn.

California daily death rate doubled yesterday. More deaths yesterday than any day so far.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:52 pm**

Sad news. Please be careful folks.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:01 pm**

thanks guys..

looks like we have a further 3 weeks of lockdown now !!!

another 881 people died today.....

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:12 pm**

From:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Last updated: April 16, 2020, 14:20 GMT
United States

Coronavirus Cases:
644,823

Deaths:
28,580

Recovered:
48,710

That's a greater then 50% death ratio !!
That is one out of three people with Covid dies.

Am I reading that right?! Fuck I'm afraid to look any further.

I did look, worldwide death rate is 25%. Am I reading that right? US has a higher death rate then the world average?
???

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:02 pm**

Right or wrong...fuck Cadet Bone Spurs & his reckless delusional cult!
John McCain spent 5 years broken, isolated, & tortured in the Hanoi Hotel....we can do this folks. Be safe.

Posted: **Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:23 pm**

Intrinsic wrote:From:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Last updated: April 16, 2020, 14:20 GMT
United States

Coronavirus Cases:
644,823

Deaths:
28,580

Recovered:
48,710

That's a greater then 50% death ratio !!
That is one out of three people with Covid dies.

Am I reading that right?! Fuck I'm afraid to look any further.

I did look, worldwide death rate is 25%. Am I reading that right? US has a higher death rate then the world average?
???

it more than 28,580 deaths, it up to 33,524 deaths as of today

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:56 am**

hes now ACTIVELY trying to incite the civil war...

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:04 pm**

The numbers are being cooked intentionally.
A quick check of flu,pneumonia and cancer death numbers show some obvious issues when compared to recent years.
The instructions issued from the government to the hospital here clearly show it.
First it was nobody here has it.........period.
Then a oldie died from cancer who tested positive and they got a stimulus check.
Now every body who is not dying in a outright accident is a case.
This issue with accurate info is the real problem.
Every one exaggerates to the max to suit their agenda and it endangers us all.
Not being able to make a intelligent decision due to shitty info...........sigh.
I hope you all stay safe and do some productive shizz with this down time.
Hopefully we see some positive technological innovation come out of this.......but I fear the boot of authority will prevail.

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:31 pm**

there was a time a few months ago where you could travel from anywhere in the UK to Moscow Russia, for £30 return if you book in advance, i think that time for cheap European travel is now OVER, all the big airlines are going bust and it will never be the same again....

NO wonder TRUMP wants to lift the lockdown as he can see CHINA is moving ahead and there influence around the world is gaining traction real quick, Trump allegedly being a brilliant genius businessman and its happening on his watch.

i bet the men and women who wer just about te get arrested for pedophilia in Epstein's little book are breathing a sigh of relief right now...

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:34 pm**

I cant believe youd say that!!!

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:58 pm**

rSin wrote:I cant believe youd say that!!!

what u mean ben??

Posted: **Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:20 pm**

I mean its a trope the underbelly folks are running with now...

Posted: **Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:38 pm**

2.39

aint but a few of us out there not wearing masks now...

Posted: **Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:20 pm**

this is my mask:

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Posted: **Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:53 pm**

aside from this study about how HydroxyCloroquill, which Trump was pushing because he has stock in a company that makes it, seems to do more harm than good... there is a very interesting diagram a few minutes in showing how the virus had actually spread airborne in a restaurant.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:19 am**

omg, he's still at it...

have some more kool-aid...
"we're having some very good things happening with it..
what do you have to lose? take it.
it'll be wonderful, it'll be so beautiful, it'll be a gift from heaven
and it works. try it, if you like."

& more total lunacy...

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:31 am**

theres that phrases 'common sense' that used nowdays to support shooting yourself in the foot

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:05 pm**

Well my aunt passed the other day. Not from the virus, but from other health issues. She was never supposed to make it out of her teenage years, but she defied the docs and made it to 66.

We were just glad that despite the crisis, she was still able to get hospitalization services in the end.

What a difference a month makes...

MI 4 weeks ago...2,295 cases...43 deaths

MI 3 weeks ago...9,334 cases...337 deaths

MI 2 weeks ago...20,346 cases...959 deaths

MI 1 week ago...28,059 cases...1,921 deaths

MI thru yesterday...33,966 cases...2,813 deaths

Our state's first protest was geared toward new excessive restrictions. But now another protest is being organized for Apr. 30, the last day of our current lock down order. The governor has signaled that she will likely extend the order, so now they'll be protesting the whole thing...

“April 30th, our Legislators vote if the Governors State of Emergency Declaration can be extended - We The People make our voices evident - We Vote MICHIGAN OPENS NOW. No more government over reach by executive order, no more restrictive stay-at-home orders, no more restrictions on our purchasing choices and business are to open up unregulated May 1st. Plan to join us for this Revolutionary time and event in Michigan. (This is a peaceful protest).”

As if the national unemployed of 27 million isn't bad enough.
As if MI's state unemployment rate of 33% isn't bad enough.
The state, and healthcare facilities throughout it, have announced massive lay-offs coming.
The reason?....lack of money.
But at least Nancy has her freezer full of $17/pint gourmet ice cream while she's at home on vacation.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:15 pm**

Munchy wrote: what do you have to lose? take it.
it'll be wonderful, it'll be so beautiful, it'll be a gift from heaven
and it works. try it, if you like.

God damn Trump Pusher Man

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:01 pm**

Our covidiots are taking to Madison tomorrow

Pritzker just extended til end of May.

This is gonna be real bad.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:34 am**

as unbelievable as it may sound, Trump's words and actions seriously make it seem that all along he has been and continues to do and say whatever he can to ensure the maximum loss of life due to this pandemic without the public catching on to his evil plan... as if his hidden agenda may be to take advantage of this whole situation to help reduce over-population in the US as much as possible. Today he suggested injecting disinfectant. Tomorrow's news may well include some poor fools who died from drinking bleach after listening to his fake news press conference today.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:54 am**

and the following reports are very convincing regarding how the pandemic actually got started in Wuhan, not by the fall-guy meat market, but actually by the government bio-weapon lab nearby, after intentionally combining SARS with Corona and then accidentally losing containment of their result.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:08 pm**

So my phone started screeching at me.....our stay-at-home order has been extended to May 15.

Some restrictions were relaxed, many of which were the main cause of our protest...now permitted: motor boating, golf, landscaping/lawn care, travel between residences, etc. However a couple new restrictions I noticed...we are now required to wear masks in "enclosed public spaces", and congregating of people who are not part of the same household is prohibited.

If you are interested in what one of these orders looks like, here is Michigan's 12 pages of IFs, ORs, and BUTs...

https://www.scribd.com/document/4581161 ... from_embed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:28 am**

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:22 am**

at least now he's too embarrassed to have any more of those poor excuses for press conferences every day anymore

Posted: **Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:21 am**

doh!

Posted: **Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:54 pm**

Thought this was worth a post...

Irish Times
April 25, 2020
By Fintan O’Toole

"THE WORLD HAS LOVED, HATED AND ENVIED THE U.S. NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE PITY IT

Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger. But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.

However bad things are for most other rich democracies, it is hard not to feel sorry for Americans. Most of them did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. Yet they are locked down with a malignant narcissist who, instead of protecting his people from Covid-19, has amplified its lethality. The country Trump promised to make great again has never in its history seemed so pitiful.

Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.

As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, “The United States reacted ... like Pakistan or Belarus – like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”

It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time – wilfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.

The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.

If the plague is a test, its ruling political nexus ensured that the US would fail it at a terrible cost in human lives. In the process, the idea of the US as the world’s leading nation – an idea that has shaped the past century – has all but evaporated.

Other than the Trump impersonator Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, who is now looking to the US as the exemplar of anything other than what not to do? How many people in Düsseldorf or Dublin are wishing they lived in Detroit or Dallas?

It is hard to remember now but, even in 2017, when Trump took office, the conventional wisdom in the US was that the Republican Party and the broader framework of US political institutions would prevent him from doing too much damage. This was always a delusion, but the pandemic has exposed it in the most savage ways.

Abject surrender

What used to be called mainstream conservatism has not absorbed Trump – he has absorbed it. Almost the entire right-wing half of American politics has surrendered abjectly to him. It has sacrificed on the altar of wanton stupidity the most basic ideas of responsibility, care and even safety.

Thus, even at the very end of March, 15 Republican governors had failed to order people to stay at home or to close non-essential businesses. In Alabama, for example, it was not until April 3rd that governor Kay Ivey finally issued a stay-at-home order.

In Florida, the state with the highest concentration of elderly people with underlying conditions, governor Ron DeSantis, a Trump mini-me, kept the beach resorts open to students travelling from all over the US for spring break parties. Even on April 1st, when he issued restrictions, DeSantis exempted religious services and “recreational activities”.

Georgia governor Brian Kemp, when he finally issued a stay-at-home order on April 1st, explained: “We didn’t know that [the virus can be spread by people without symptoms] until the last 24 hours.”

This is not mere ignorance – it is deliberate and homicidal stupidity. There is, as the demonstrations this week in US cities have shown, plenty of political mileage in denying the reality of the pandemic. It is fuelled by Fox News and far-right internet sites, and it reaps for these politicians millions of dollars in donations, mostly (in an ugly irony) from older people who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.

It draws on a concoction of conspiracy theories, hatred of science, paranoia about the “deep state” and religious providentialism (God will protect the good folks) that is now very deeply infused in the mindset of the American right.

Trump embodies and enacts this mindset, but he did not invent it. The US response to the coronavirus crisis has been paralysed by a contradiction that the Republicans have inserted into the heart of US democracy. On the one hand, they want to control all the levers of governmental power. On the other they have created a popular base by playing on the notion that government is innately evil and must not be trusted.

The contradiction was made manifest in two of Trump’s statements on the pandemic: on the one hand that he has “total authority”, and on the other that “I don’t take responsibility at all”. Caught between authoritarian and anarchic impulses, he is incapable of coherence.

Fertile ground

But this is not just Donald Trump. The crisis has shown definitively that Trump’s presidency is not an aberration. It has grown on soil long prepared to receive it. The monstrous blossoming of misrule has structure and purpose and strategy behind it.

There are very powerful interests who demand “freedom” in order to do as they like with the environment, society and the economy. They have infused a very large part of American culture with the belief that “freedom” is literally more important than life. My freedom to own assault weapons trumps your right not to get shot at school. Now, my freedom to go to the barber (“I Need a Haircut” read one banner this week in St Paul, Minnesota) trumps your need to avoid infection.

Usually when this kind of outlandish idiocy is displaying itself, there is the comforting thought that, if things were really serious, it would all stop. People would sober up. Instead, a large part of the US has hit the bottle even harder.

And the president, his party and their media allies keep supplying the drinks. There has been no moment of truth, no shock of realisation that the antics have to end. No one of any substance on the US right has stepped in to say: get a grip, people are dying here.

That is the mark of how deep the trouble is for the US – it is not just that Trump has treated the crisis merely as a way to feed tribal hatreds but that this behaviour has become normalised. When the freak show is live on TV every evening, and the star is boasting about his ratings, it is not really a freak show any more. For a very large and solid bloc of Americans, it is reality.

And this will get worse before it gets better. Trump has at least eight more months in power. In his inaugural address in 2017, he evoked “American carnage” and promised to make it stop. But now that the real carnage has arrived, he is revelling in it. He is in his element.

As things get worse, he will pump more hatred and falsehood, more death-wish defiance of reason and decency, into the groundwater. If a new administration succeeds him in 2021, it will have to clean up the toxic dump he leaves behind. If he is re-elected, toxicity will have become the lifeblood of American politics.

Either way, it will be a long time before the rest of the world can imagine America being great again."

Posted: **Fri May 01, 2020 2:33 am**

Trump says federal stay-at-home guidelines are not being extended beyond today,
meanwhile my county has extended the lock-down for another month, thru May 31
but I'm fine with that. I doubt if this will all be over anytime soon. I put myself on a stay-at-home and avoid people plan like a few years ago. and I can hold-out as long the post office stays open. But since they announced that mail-in ballots will be delivered regardless of proper postage, and meanwhile they're asking for bail-out money on the next stimulus deal, Trump said he won't sign it if they're included. He would rather have the USPS go under than to deliver those ballots.

Posted: **Sat May 02, 2020 11:03 am**

Number of positive cases in my County increased 400% plus in the last 48 hours!

Well 1 to 24 positives. To be fair testing finally went from single digit to double digits and Wham look at all the cases found. But it started with the first hospitalization.

Meanwhile Congress is to go back in session without rapid result testing, as the White House enjoys.

Systemic testing failure.
Could have used that US pandemic response team. damn!

Used one of my more colorful scarfs when I went into the post office yesterday; have to look at a girl's eyes to tell if she's smiling. Kind of cool.

Posted: **Sat May 02, 2020 2:48 pm**

Pray this is a consensus opinion of non-mathematical inclined also.

Opinion:
Trump fails the ultimate test as president: Protecting us from risks as only the federal government can
By Gernot Wagner
Published: Apr 28, 2020

COVID-19’s exponential growth has already offered the public a crash course in numeracy. It is also proving to be a crash test for systemic risk. While it is too soon for the final verdict, it is already clear that the U.S., not only its current leadership, will need a significant overhaul.

Taking systemic risk seriously is the ultimate governance test. Those who pass it know to shut down a city or an entire country when there are still only a few cases of a highly contagious virus present. Sara Cody, the public health officer for California’s Santa Clara County, and New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern did precisely that in the face of COVID-19. Their decisive risk management has paid off in spades.

It also helps to have political leaders with a science background, judging by Germany’s success in managing the crisis under Chancellor Angela Merkel (a trained chemist), or Ireland’s under Prime Minister Leo Varadkar (a physician). And the fact that a disproportionate share of the most effective strategies has been implemented by governments led by women surely is no coincidence.

...

The U.S., of course, holds no monopoly on incompetent leadership, and even effective individual leaders can do only so much. Systems matter, too.

The U.S. has long laid claim to one of the world’s most dynamic economies, owing to its emphasis on flexibility and efficiency. But, as the Nobel laureate economist Joseph E. Stiglitz has observed, in times of crisis, the lack of “shock absorbers” implied by U.S.-style dynamism becomes painfully apparent, to say nothing of rampant inequality.

After the COVID-19 pandemic has passed, the U.S. and many other countries will need to fortify their defenses against a wide range of hitherto underappreciated risks.

Other ‘big ones’

But deadly pandemics represent just one of many possible threats looming on the horizon. Other potential “Big Ones” include: an all-out cyber-attack; a solar storm on the scale of the 1859 Carrington Event (which wiped out terrestrial communications infrastructure); a massive earthquake in, say, Tokyo or the U.S. Pacific Northwest; or any number of disasters stemming from climate change.

...

Corporate bailouts

True reform of risk management must go even further. For starters, the U.S. and other governments around the world need to stop socializing risks without also socializing returns. There should be no corporate bailouts without a public equity stake; private creditors should be the first to be wiped out.

...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... -syndicate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat May 02, 2020 8:56 pm**

Sorry in advance for the non seriousness of this but.. we do not live without drive-in cheese imo...
https://youtu.be/DCFQtc6BzyM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat May 02, 2020 11:17 pm**

Great article

The nazification of the gop
Is why the is serious talk about
Killing off the unfit

By demsem
Daily kaios

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am**

On the Lighter Side:

“COVID literally stands for Chinese Originated Viral Infectious Disease.”

"People who have never died before are now dying from coronavirus."

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 1:08 pm**

I was checking on some new electronics I had coming from China, I go to thier English website (dx) to log on and thier big new shopping Banner is:
Necessary protection before the Coronavirus vaccine be ready

Good to know the vaccine 'be' ready soon.

Maybe buy new vaccine there.

they sell everything from antibody detection kits, face mask ,non-contact thermal thermometers to Xiaomi Youpin Smart UV Heat Drying Chopstick Holder Kitchen Cutlery Disinfection Storage Box

Jeez! Conspiracy Theorist could have a field day with this. It came from China and the apparently the cure too.

Posted: **Mon May 04, 2020 6:22 pm**

Read snowdens latest
I figured this was done
Along time ago as ive mentioned
But
He sees it as a marjed acceleration

Posted: **Wed May 06, 2020 2:12 pm**

My bullshit meter is starting to twitch.

Now I know covid is real, and that it is a pandemic by definition because it has spread world wide...but my personal exerience and other events I see, are not exactly jiving with that picture.

I personally only know one person who has tested positive...he was hospitalized, but did not require a ventilator, and has recovered. His job places him in what I would consider an extremely high exposure rate with the general public. So the fact that he contracted it does not surprise me.
My neighbor works in a general practitioner's office. They have been doing drive up testing for their patients...only two positives so far. They are telling those testing positive to go to the hospital, only if their symptoms become worse than flu-like.
A freind works in a large convalescent facility, that has designated a floor of one wing as covid related only. So far they have only used it to quarantine incoming residents for two weeks before integrating them into the rest of the facility.
A friend's wife works in a hospital, in the covid designated section. She is also the caretaker of her grandson, who has health issues that put him in the extreme risk category if he were to contract the virus. It seems odd to me that her employer would put her in that situation, given that they are fully aware of it.

But I'm a bit of a hermit, so I understand my personal knowledge is likely not representative of the bigger picture...so then I refer to the numbers. Michigan has had 44,397 confirmed cases to date, which seems like a lot...but when compared to our total population of aboot 10 million, is less than a 0.5% rate...and the 4,179 deaths, which also sounds like a lot, is less than a 0.05% rate. And while the state's rank seems to vary, we are consistantly the 3rd to 6th worst in the country. Nationally, the US has the worst numbers world wide. As of May 5th, the CDC reports 1,171,510 cases and 68,279 deaths...and again, that sounds like a lot. But percentage-wise, that's less than a 0.4% case rate, and just over a 0.02% death rate. The numbers do sound high...but the rates do not. The highest rate of positive test results I saw was 29%, back when only people with the worst symptoms were tested...now I see that rate has dropped to around 7% or 8%, with testing more readily available. I also see that limited available data indicates that 60+% of people who contract the virus, do not exhibit any symptoms. These rates do not coincide with the apocalyptic picture that is being painted.

Meanwhile I see very troubling things elsewhere, buried by the covid coverage.
The US is being forced to choose between two individuals, neither of whom should ever be president, for that very position.
Oil prices went negative for the first time ever.
The Federal Reserve Bank doubled it's assets from $1 to $2 trillion during the 2008/09 crisis, and now they are tripling that to $6 trillion during the current crisis...the financial world is on the edge of their seats waiting to see if the fed will start buying corporate debt, as it has already informed that it might starting this month.
As soon as covid took over the news cycle, an extensive bombing campaign began on Iranian backed militias in Iraq.
Venezuela just thwarted a "terrorist" coup attempt, killing 13 and capturing 8...of those captured, two are ex US special forces. The commander for this coup attempt, is an ex US green beret, who is still opperating freely, has apparently admitted that this was indeed a coup attempt, and that he was opperating on behalf of the CIA, the Columbian government, and Venezuela opposition leader Guaido.
Unemployment is at record levels, 2nd quarter GDP is expected to drop 30+%, personal and business bankruptcies are expected to skyrocket due to the shutdowns...yet the stock market has almost recovered from it's recent collapse.

I do not have a good feeling aboot any of this.

Posted: **Wed May 06, 2020 9:26 pm**

The rumor ive heard is
There have been zero flu deaths so far this year...

Totally unverified but
The mill is certainly churning
In support of the crazy cons

Posted: **Wed May 06, 2020 9:40 pm**

Im told that from the cdc website too!

Aint found it but,
My webbrowser sucks...

Posted: **Wed May 06, 2020 11:11 pm**

Well I know of a workplace in Illinois with 20 out of 51 employees out with positive test results for the Covid19.

This particular company, about 40 miles from Chicago is a subsidiary of a very large Corp., that has only had two other positive cases in 2 other plants with employee count of 400.

This is nuts

Posted: **Thu May 07, 2020 7:40 am**

PLANDEMIC
must watch this soon before it gets pulled

Posted: **Thu May 07, 2020 8:45 am**

So the 'no flu deaths in 2020' isnt true reading at cdc its quick i realize that reporting is full of estimates and rather complicated but on the weekly flu report page it states that infant deaths are high at 170

Posted: **Thu May 07, 2020 10:12 am**

Dren, Claptrap, horseshit
Red flags kept popping up. I've been sweeping 'em off the floor all morning.

https://bigthink.com/popular/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The anti-vaxx agenda of The Plandemic

A new documentary, "The Plandemic," states that it is uncovering a global cabal trying to implement forced vaccinations.

The first clip's interview subject, Judy Mikovits, is a known anti-vaxxer.

This agenda-based film features contradictory evidence and false claims while being championed as a beacon of truth.

More from Science:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/10 ... ontroversy#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Thu May 07, 2020 11:00 am**

More Wingnut craziness. It's all about Trump stupid.

the virus was manufactured in a Secret Democrat Party bio lab.

https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/03/pland ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“plandemic” for their own benefit. I do not think it’s an accident they chose something like a “virus” to try to take out President Trump, as it’s well known he is somewhat of a germaphobe.

Posted: **Thu May 07, 2020 9:14 pm**

MASH knows how to deal with Covid-19

https://laughingsquid.com/mash-safet...oYvKpNZM9bu21g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Thu May 07, 2020 9:55 pm**

"Our Tentacles Were Unable To Locate That Page" ... so..

https://youtu.be/1Mao3OzWw9I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2020 12:04 pm**

Michigan's stay-at-home order has been extended...again. The date has now been pushed back another two weeks to May 28th.

"Residents may leave their homes for groceries, exercise or permitted work, but no social gatherings are allowed."

That's right, congregating with anyone outside your household remains illegal. Whitmer better hope she gets picked for Biden's VP slot, because she will not be re-elected as our governor. Armed militia wannabe protesters in the state capitol building yelling at police...security guard executed over face mask requirement dispute...businesses opening back up in defiance of the lock down...unemployment levels higher than they've ever been...this is just going to get uglier.

And gas is on the way back up. After spending a couple weeks at a low of 1.09, the price started going back up aboot 10 days ago...1.39...1.49...and now currently at 1.74.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 10:22 am**

Here's how I see it

Globalism is already firmly established. The governing body is the UN, and all of its global organizations. (WHO, IMF, UNSC, etc). The financial backing is derived through global central banking systems, and corporations. Military support through NATO and a participation of member states. Public relations are handled through control of media outlets globally, and by proponents of the plan.

This global political body must incorporate full cooperation from all nation's for it's authority to be recognized. It has political proponents well embedded in every nation all working towards national compliance of pre established goals and objectives. These goals are all milestones in the solidification and consolidation of the UN authority.
Opponents of globalization, have recently seen an uptick in public support as the masses are adversely effected by global policies. when America elected Donald Trump as President, the opposition gained access to the bully pulpit.

Globalism was suddenly under threat of being set back decades of progress. They immediately set forth an all out effort to remove if possible, or at least de-legitimize his presidency. First and foremost global priority was too squash Trump, Brexit, and the international Nationalist movements rapidly springing up all over the planet.

Three years of investigation, fake accusations, constant media attacks, and disinformation were attempted. Nothing was working, and an election was nearing, with no apparent nominee that could ensure a win for the NWO.

At this point you would have to deduct, that only a crisis of global disaster would have any hope of getting the global agenda back on track.

Enter covid 19. On deck, HRC.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 12:49 pm**

Intrinsic wrote:More Wingnut craziness. It's all about Trump stupid. the virus was manufactured in a Secret Democrat Party bio lab.

https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/03/pland ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“plandemic” for their own benefit. I do not think it’s an accident they chose something like a “virus” to try to take out President Trump, as it’s well known he is somewhat of a germaphobe.

Good to have your opinion roller. I should respect it. I do.
But.. but.. shit, this is why we can't keep people around cuz of my stank.

It's all about Trump stupid

So what are you saying roller the virus was manufactured, the concept of there being a deadly virus, the manipulation of the news after the fact, okay that's a given.

Or just a lucky break for the Trump haters.

Human resource command?

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 5:36 pm**

Eh....I give it a 50/50 chance.

To think countries are not involved in the development of biological weapons would be naive.

You can't believe the politicians...they all have a red/blue agenda.

You can't believe the intelligence community...every time you turn around, there's another instance of them intentionally lying to us.

You can't believe the press...they get shit wrong more often than the lying politicians, as exemplified by the new WH press secretary's smack down of them in the latest press briefing.

You can't believe the doctors...they're only right, until they're wrong...i.e. the WHO saying it was contained in China, saying it is not an airborne transmitted contagion, etc.

So, as far as I see it, the possibility exists.

And Joe did say he was going to pick a woman for his VP....

He's basically been telling voters to fuk off during his whole campaign.
"Listen fat..."
Why not select HRC?

Obama meddled in the campaign to ensure Bernie lost, not Trump.
And now we're finding out he was being informed at every step of the 'Russia collision' fiasco.

So...why exactly should a nefarious source be ruled out?

The last trillion we added to the national debt only took 8 DAYS...you think the powers that be don't have the means to pull the wool over our eyes?

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 5:46 pm**

Ugh...<shudders>...that video's just fukking creepy.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 5:47 pm**

The idea that trump is a hero battling the NWO?

Bob is 100% right that every country has been developing biological weapons for decades if not longer. Ft. Deatrick Md. Anyone?
The real conspiracy as I see it is that the religious right has always wanted to turn the USA into an Authoritarian
Christian theocratic dictatorship...& Trumpy is their guy.
It's not really a secret at all...it's right out in the open.

They have no desire for comprise, what-so-ever. The SCOTUS is about to seal the deal soon.
Is it too late? Hopefully not...
The media & Dems are somewhat responsible too.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 6:02 pm**

I'm not saying that the coronavirus was manufactured though...it doesn't seem like a stretch that this "global economy" would end up being fertile ground and maybe the most surprising thing is that it took this long...

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 9:11 pm**

Butcher Bob wrote:Eh....I give it a 50/50 chance.

To think countries are not involved in the development of biological weapons would be naive.

You can't believe the politicians...they all have a red/blue agenda.

You can't believe the intelligence community...every time you turn around, there's another instance of them intentionally lying to us.

You can't believe the press...they get shit wrong more often than the lying politicians, as exemplified by the new WH press secretary's smack down of them in the latest press briefing.

You can't believe the doctors...they're only right, until they're wrong...i.e. the WHO saying it was contained in China, saying it is not an airborne transmitted contagion, etc.

So, as far as I see it, the possibility exists.

So...why exactly should a nefarious source be ruled out?

You can't believe the politicians.
You can't believe the intelligence community..
You can't believe the press..
You can't believe the doctors...

Okay except for the last one where you confuse doctors with bureaucrats.

So you make your 50/50 assessment on who you don't trust and nothing on who you you do trust. Not on facts but negative information.

Scientist. You didn't mention you don't trust scientists.

After the global warming exercise you don't trust a consensus of scientists.

The party of the: You don't have to know stuff.

Since I know you understand probability. By trusting no one thus with absolutely no parameters sway you one way or the other of course 50/50 would be the correct conclusion.

If the relatively simple thermodynamics of global global warming didn't cut it with you, then viral and cellular epidemiology I expect won't won't either. At least you're a better man than me if it can.
Thus I rely on scientific consensus when in doubt. With Some side fact-checking.

So, as far as I see it, the possibility exists.
Disingenuous, you already stated that probability at 50/50. I can see the possibility too but < 1/100 chance.

you ask why my exact reason?
Why science Dorothy; as I and others have posted in thread.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 9:15 pm**

You might have missed this while you were playing Party politics. I apologize for the wall of text.

Intrinsic wrote:No Dorothy, coronavirus is a natural pathogen as the genetic boffins like to drone on and on about.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... sis-nature" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The virus’s genetic makeup reveals that SARS-CoV-2 isn’t a mishmash of known viruses, as might be expected if it were human-made. And it has unusual features that have only recently been identified in scaly anteaters called pangolins, evidence that the virus came from nature, Kristian Andersen and his colleagues report March 17 in Nature Medicine.

Andersen assembled a team of evolutionary biologists and virologists, including Garry, from several countries to analyze the virus for clues that it could have been human-made, or grown in and accidentally released from a lab.

“We said, ‘Let’s take this theory — of which there are multiple different versions — that the virus has a non-natural origin … as a serious potential hypothesis,’ ” Andersen says.

Meeting via Slack and other virtual portals, the researchers analyzed the virus’s genetic makeup, or RNA sequence, for clues about its origin.

It was clear “almost overnight” that the virus wasn’t human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. “Genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone,” Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

Other scientists agree. “We see absolutely no evidence that the virus has been engineered or purposely released,” says Emma Hodcroft, a molecular epidemiologist at the University of Basel in Switzerland. She was not part of Andersen’s group, but is a member of a team of scientists with Nextstrain.org that is tracking small genetic changes in the coronavirus to learn more about how it is spreading around the world.

Intrinsic wrote:Meanwhile The more you know ..

Finding peculiar features

Andersen’s group next set out to determine whether the virus could have been accidentally released from a lab. That’s a real possibility because researchers in many places are working with coronaviruses that have potential to infect humans, he says. “Stuff comes out of the lab sometimes, almost always accidentally,” he says.

A couple of unexpected features of the virus caught the researchers’ eyes, Andersen says. In particular, the gene encoding the coronavirus’s spike protein has 12 extra RNA building blocks, or nucleotides, stuck in it.

This spike protein protrudes from the virus’ surface and allows the virus to latch onto and enter human cells. That insertion of RNA building blocks adds four amino acids to the spike protein, and creates a site in the protein for an enzyme called furin to cut. Furin is made in human cells, and cleaves proteins only at spots where a particular combination of amino acids is found, like the one created by the insertion. SARS and other SARS-like viruses don’t have those cutting sites.

Finding the furin cutting site was a surprise: “That was an aha moment and an uh-oh moment,” Garry says. When bird influenza viruses acquire the ability to be cut by furin, the viruses often become more easily transmissible. The insertion also created places where sugar molecules could be fastened to the spike protein, creating a shield to protect the virus from the immune system.

The COVID-19 virus’ spike protein also binds more tightly to a protein on human cells called ACE2 than SARS does (SN: 3/10/20). Tighter binding may allow SARS-CoV-2 to more easily infect cells. Together, those features may account for why COVID-19 is so contagious (SN: 3/13/20).

bentech wrote:An analysis of the evidence, according to the findings first published in the scientific journal Nature Medicine, shows that the novel coronavirus "is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," with the researchers concluding "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, supported the study’s findings, writing on his blog, "This study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19."

Researchers concluded that the novel coronavirus is not a human creation because it does not share any "previously used virus backbone." It likely arose, the study said, from a recombination of a virus found in bats and another virus, possibly originating from pangolins, otherwise known as scaly anteaters.

"We know from the study of other coronaviruses that they’re able to acquire this [variation] and they can then become more pathogenic," Garry told ABC News. "This is a good explanation as to why this virus is so transmittable and has caused this pandemic."

The mutation in surface proteins, according to Garry, could have triggered the outbreak of the pandemic, but it’s also possible that a less severe version of the illness was circulating through the population for years, perhaps even decades, before escalating to this point.
"We don’t know if those mutations were picked up more recently or a long time ago," Garry told ABC News. "It’s impossible to say if it actually was a mutation that triggered the pandemic, but either way, it would have been a naturally occurring process."

And while many believe the virus originated at a fish market in Wuhan, China, Garry said that it is also a misconception.

"Our analyses, and others too, point to an earlier origin than that," Garry said. "There were definitely cases there, but that wasn’t the origin of the virus."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 11:14 pm**

I have no problem saying that this virus was intentionally released, because all of the subsequent circumstances escalated from the moment that Trump became the nominee in 16. Hillary's cozy friendship with China is certainly no secret. Hell, it was her husband that allowed China to join free trade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... ct_of_2000" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
China took every advantage of this and became an economic super power as a result. There can be no doubt that hopes were high in China for another Clinton Presidency.
Trump enters office, and removes all of the favors granted over the last two decades, by both parties. Remember Mitch OConnell has ties to China as well.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-mcco ... 1559590152" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
China and the US in effect became involved in a Trade War. US tariffs caused a 25% export loss, inflicting a US$35 billion blow to Chinese exports in the US market for tariffed goods in the first half of 2019.
I think maybe China knew that another Trump term would have destroyed what was left of their economy, to a point that some brave CCP patriot decided to level the playing field.

But this is all just my cynical opinion, from watching those in power fuck the world up repeatedly to gain a slight edge in their ideals.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2020 11:39 pm**

I bow to your expertise on World politics.
Ya show me there is a logical reason that an artificial need exists for the pandemic.

But it doesn't negate the scientific consensus it's a natural evolution and an initial natural vector. Regardless of man's politics.
An inevitable event. This has all happened before it will all happen again. Before humans and after humans populations.

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 1:40 am**

when nancy tore the state of the union speech in 1/2
that was signal to china for plan C
release the virus to take trump out.
was a act of war but were not talking about that yet..
fuck the new world order...

Posted: **Sun May 10, 2020 2:33 am**

Ah yes, the scientists....

The virus originated from a scaly anteater....or possibly a bat....or maybe a bastardized cross-over between a scaly anteater and a bat.

Yeeah, those fukkers know.

They can identify mutations that allow them to identify routes of travel (i.e. Californians get China covid, New Yorkers get European covid), but they can't identify the source?

Well then I highly doubt their ability to definitively rule out human fabrication of something that mutates that fast.

And then you should also consider motive....because what could possibly motivate "scientists" in both the private sector and government to lie to the public for 40 years aboot a carcinogenic product like Roundup?

Like I said, they're right, until they're wrong.