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This is a learning experience for me. Critiques are welcomed.

I came to the slow realization the first thing one needs to grow plants outdoors is a hole.

So build a raised bed, plumb it and dig down another good foot until the rock bed gets too much. Which is where I'm at.
Planning to get some good potting soil (FoxFarm) and amendments:
worm castings, chicken manure, Dolomite lime and 10-10-10 slow release organic fert which is basically a bunch of meals (kelp, bone, blood, feather ..). And then fill her up.
Cost ought to be about $50. Maybe less if I add some of the natural clay soil here for water retention.

Pruty boring so far eh?

How tall can the plant get?...How many do you plan on growing in that box?

had the same q on my mind - hoped that time would tell ...

1 to 9 plants for the season, that what i would estimate

not knowing much about your climate (but i see that you are at least a month ahead of mine) i wonder about your clay amandments, if they are really neccessarry ? from expirience down in serbia at 45N , i had rain 1 to 2 times within a month, that was totally enough for the plants to strive without additional waterings, tho i did this, just bc i had fert salts which had to be dissolved , but i didnt watered every lot i had
so id say if you have periods with less than once a month rain, with high temps (40C) during peak summer, they will and gonna survive, and water retention amandments arent needed ... another thing if you are somewhere in the middle of a desert ...
as much as i like the idea of organic farming, i hate clay so much .. you wouldnt believe it .... well half of my super haze seeds i planted nearby a clay mine - worst idea ever - plants got almost 20 cm tall before they died off ... lol... at least i can lough at it ...
i would tho recomand "plastc" water crystals ... best performance, as they can hold some hundred fold times water of their own weight
the reason for my thoughts is that i havent read that you were planing a drainage layer at the bottom, perlite, cocos, hydro correls, sand or something similiar

just by looks your lot looks like something 1,50m X 1,50 .... each plant at least 3 meters .... hopefully you have 5 more lots like this one ..
you simply cant have too much of a yield, thats just impossible ... lol

Interesting lol I always did like the way you think



Reminds me of those Northern Ca triangle people digging and drilling hugh holes to fill with good soil.

critters eating and shitting plant food over the many years.

Like the Israelites made the deserts bloom.

Watering in deserts.

I cant do outdoor grows currently or for while ... to many neighbors moving in.

I've lost some of my outdoor privacy.

Still have a non flir available basement. He He He.

Look forward to your good results. We learn something from every thing.

"OUCH! I'm not sticking any more hot pokers up my ass. And I'm not kidding you!"

lol i'm kidding Do I look that stupid? I would never really stick a hot poker purposely up my ass I was just fooling around and wanted to see how close I could get it.... and . uh an earthquake just happened to occur.

All I'm saying.

I can and will produce seismographic results on demand for copying and shipping costs only and a 10% handling charge on gross amount.

Roots wrote:How tall can the plant get?...How many do you plan on growing in that box?

12 feet tall, same as my tomatoes.

Two, really one, as with the rest of my veggie garden i always plant two in case one croaks (gopher, birds, rabbits ..just bad luck)
But i might try 4 in there. I am playing it as i go. already i think i made the dimension wrong. and if only one plant works i'm thinking next year make it smaller, so to give back some room for the zucchinis and winter squash.

deran wrote:had the same q on my mind - hoped that time would tell ...

1 to 9 plants for the season, that what i would estimate

not knowing much about your climate (but i see that you are at least a month ahead of mine) i wonder about your clay amandments, if they are really neccessarry ? from expirience down in serbia at 45N , i had rain 1 to 2 times within a month, that was totally enough for the plants to strive without additional waterings, tho i did this, just bc i had fert salts which had to be dissolved , but i didnt watered every lot i had
so id say if you have periods with less than once a month rain, with high temps (40C) during peak summer, they will and gonna survive, and water retention amandments arent needed ... another thing if you are somewhere in the middle of a desert ...
as much as i like the idea of organic farming, i hate clay so much .. you wouldnt believe it .... well half of my super haze seeds i planted nearby a clay mine - worst idea ever - plants got almost 20 cm tall before they died off ... lol... at least i can lough at it ...
i would tho recomand "plastc" water crystals ... best performance, as they can hold some hundred fold times water of their own weight
the reason for my thoughts is that i havent read that you were planing a drainage layer at the bottom, perlite, cocos, hydro correls, sand or something similiar

just by looks your lot looks like something 1,50m X 1,50 .... each plant at least 3 meters .... hopefully you have 5 more lots like this one ..
you simply cant have too much of a yield, thats just impossible ... lol

The climate here is freezing snowy winters and long hot dry summers. Up to 6 months between rains. summer temps are often above 100F/56C for weeks at a time.
I've learned to use the native clay water retention soil to my advantage over the years with the veggies.

As for drainage, i'm a little concerned over it, had rain the other day and it left a couple of inches of water on the bottom for a couple of days before it drained. So i put a layer of sand on the bottom, and on top of that old chopped up roots (for the earth worms).

I already filled it up with 4 bags of cheap potting soil (Kellogg), chicken manure, dolomite, worm castings and a 10-10-10 organic slow release fert (it's just a bunch of different meals). And about 20% native soil. I feel good about it.

As for feeding I'll use fish fert (5-1-1) and later mix in some 0-10-10. Same as i do now with the veggies, trying to keep it simple

"just by looks your lot looks like something 1,50m X 1,50 .... each plant at least 3 meters .... hopefully you have 5 more lots like this one ..
you simply cant have too much of a yield, thats just impossible ... lol"
3 meters a plant, 5 more like it! , Jeez Louise, how much weed do you think i smoke? how much do ya think i get a plant? i'm thinking at least 4 oz per plant, at best a pound. I only need 8oz per year.
Anyway this is an exploratory grow, to see what's what.
Anyway the rest of the area is for vegetables which is the real priority here.

With the veggie garden i have found one either grows too little or too much. Never the exact right amount, so i plan for the later, the extra is given away or recycled in the compost pile, one can never have enough compost lol. gonna be same with the weed.

My favorite grow. outdoors ... was green house ... I grew UBC Chemo the first time. started them outdoors ... see my how to hide marijuana trim the ends... anyway.. When the botritis mold started to move in I'd trim them clean and move them under a plastic shelter. They grew to 12 feet tall..

middle of my greenhouse was 10 feet tall. when you walked in you were a drawf in forest. Amazing part was I grew them in 2 gallon buckets...

doh ? But then I was a lot more energetic then.

Choosing seeds I have a choice of using seeds from the batch that made just grew out.
Or the new ones I just made.
Or some 10 year old seeds from a white widow hybrid (Satin from Mandala seeds).
Were good and added the "white" to my current line. But there were ten AK47 seeds accidentally mixed in, so I never used the seed batch.
Or the mystery seeds. They were sitting in a little ceramic pot so I must of thought the smoke was good and so saved the seeds. I think. Now I need to start soaking the seeds today and this is the best I have to choose from.

But …. If by mid May or June I can get hold of clone, sativa preferred, I likely use that.


I am going to play the Game. I like games.
The rules Are: Only 6 living plants allowed.

So I'm growing 6 seedlings from seed in pots. Figure half will be males and I only need 2 females, so it ought to be good. Still need the males for future seeds too.

So until I determine sex I can't put 'em in the ground. I have no idea how that is going to play out.

Which lead to the Question:

Growing outdoors starting in march and in pots at about 38 degree Latitude;
How long or when can I expect to sex them, that is see pre flowers?

Mid June at earliest Is my first guess. Males first of course.


Mid August for sure females buds.

Don't plant to early in March.

Without a plastic canopy

Thank You MadMoonMan!!

Hmmm .. Well .. dang .. i want to get 'em in the ground by end of May so the taproot will have time to grow down all the way.
Perhaps i should plant 4 or 5 or all of 'em then weed out the males?
But the need males to be moved to safely harvest their pollen. I guess i could keep 3 in their pots and 3 in the ground, reasonable odds one in the ground will be female? and one of the pots will be male?

"Bigger the root, Bigger the fruit"
~Intrinsic

MadMoonMan wrote: Don't plant to early in March.

Without a plastic canopy

Ok, I won't. Thanks.

I just finished germing the seeds and put 'em in 3 one gallon and 3 four gallon pots, to see which pot size is the best for this kinda of growing. they'll stay inside with my veggie seedlings. i plan to put the veggies and canna out in mid may, june if the rains or even the snow comes back

I also started the lettuce, cabbage leeks and pepper seedlings cause they take they longest. then in the beginning of april i''ll start the rest (melons, squash, beans ect ...). Maybe that is when i should start the canna? but i hoping to give this sexxing thing a good start.

I don't knows. i'm making it up as i goes.
Chinese cabbage and lettuce sprouts.

Growing weed outdoors is 95% the same as growing tomatoes. If you're an old hand at tomatoes, you'll rock at growing weed outdoors. Even if you had never grown weed before.

Intrinsic wrote:Which lead to the Question:

Growing outdoors starting in march and in pots at about 38 degree Latitude;
How long or when can I expect to sex them, that is see pre flowers?

It all depends on the strain.

I've tried to grow out all those "stored saved seeds" from ages past. Generally a problem. What do you gals think is best way to store seeds for long time? Freezer... or in between your walls sheetrock in a back closet?

Having actually germinated wise.

If you want to go early and mobile and move around and possibly plant later. Use 5 Gal buckets.

Resolves lots of problems...... for Example:

!. OH MY GORSH! tonadoe? I'm 3 days to harvest!!!!

B. OH MY GORSH! DEEP FREEZE!!!! TONIGHT?

C. OH MY GORSH! MY LANDLORD JUST CAME BY AND WHEN I REPLIED TO HIS QUESTION WHAT IS THAT PLANT AND I SAID A FALSE ARALIA.

C.B. HE SAID HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME

Jesús Malverde wrote:Growing weed outdoors is 95% the same as growing tomatoes. If you're an old hand at tomatoes, you'll rock at growing weed outdoors. Even if you had never grown weed before.

Great!
I am an old hand at tomatoes; this my 10 foot tom plant and what I'm envisioning for the canna. that is a 4 foot ruler in the pic. Here is the canna plot with the it's similar wire cage.

Roots wrote:

Intrinsic wrote:Which lead to the Question:

Growing outdoors starting in march and in pots at about 38 degree Latitude;
How long or when can I expect to sex them, that is see pre flowers?

It all depends on the strain.

, yeah i mean for my indica you've seen in my attic grow threads. I'm using seeds from this year's grow.

MadMoonMan wrote:If you want to go early and mobile and move around and possibly plant later. Use 5 Gal buckets.

Resolves lots of problems......

Yeah. I think i'll plant 2 of 'em in the ground in may, maybe three. leave the rest in their pots on resting on the dirt in the canna plot. then the males in the pots can be removed elsewhere, and hope fully one of the dirt ones will be female.

Growing from seed has the distinct advantage of having a taproot, which is not found in clones. That central taproot is what gives ya tall plants so i prefer it not it curled around from a pot. sooner in the ground the better methinks.

Also to see what is the best size pot for this, i'm growing 3 in four gallons pots and 3 in one gallon pots. yanno science.

Boring germing pics. Cannabis sprouts. I fudge a little by putting three seeds to a pot to ensure a well rooted plant in each of the six pots. Will weed the extra out shortly.
(cabbage sprouts in the background)

Intrinsic wrote:
Growing from seed has the distinct advantage of having a taproot, which is not found in clones. That central taproot is what gives ya tall plants so i prefer it not it curled around from a pot. sooner in the ground the better methinks.

I always tell people to plant 'em into the ground, but people are dense and won't take direction. Once they do, they never go back to containers. Even raised beds are sub-optimal, it limits root volume, increases water requirements, and allows soil temps to fluctuate outside of optimal range. They evolved to grow in the ground, and that's still where they'll be the happiest.

Yeah haysus, you got me thinking maybe I'll cheat some more and plant six more seeds directly in the ground. I got seeds to waste so if they don't catch up with the ones in the pots, no big deal.


Happy 420 and the plants on the balcony, still some frosty mournings, so too early for the garden. Ya can see there not growing fast at all. A couple a little twisted, all stretched. Though healthy enough I suppose.

Man I already miss growing under flouros, so much faster growth rate.

My Friend. I had same problem. I quit growing them outside. The seeds I'm getting don't like the hot sun raying down on them is my guessin'

I'm talking the kushes I've had bad luck with outside and 1 year even in greenhouse

limited success and had to revert in emergency to grow some of my acclimated Chemo Big Boy

to ensure a continued supply of medicine.

Kushes don't like hot roots.

And in late flowering they don't like any high temps.

Is my experience so fur.

BTW I'm still experiencing.

Just to be clear. Safest to start and grow a while inside such crybabies.

Is it worth it to grow crybabbys?

Yes

Those things have plenty of time left to become ten footers. If you want them to, they probably will.

yeah i know, I was just hoping to see 12" plus plants in 6 weeks as i do with the grow room plants.

Seedling taproot porn.

Canna sprouts, notice the taproots on the canna were tender and broke so half the root is missing in the pic. Cantaloupe and bean sprouts


maybe i ought to put my teacher's hat on. Start a botany 101 thread. lecture about difference between a monocots (Monocotyledons) and dicots, why grasses (monocots) don't have taproots.

Or is that too trite to attract masses here eh prawn?

go for it i like to learn new things
Lrus007

The Question of "when will they show sex" is answered definitely. 5-6 weeks. I had sprouts on March 20 and now first week of May - Bada Bing Badda Boom. One Male And five females.
I guess cause of the relatively short days being outdoors. I would have thought that after the equinox it would've been long enough. Tho I'm happy to know the sex already, I'm little concerned if vegging growth is going be stunted.

One single Male. Whom is going balls out like a horny teenager.

Tho I'm happy to know the sex already, I'm little concerned if vegging growth is going be stunted.

I hope you can get the girls recovered into a good vegetative growth, I always have struggles with my clones that are taken early in the bud development. Perhaps some strategic pruning...

Reverting a plant already in a flowering stage does some strange things.

I'm done enough to know I wouldn't do it again unless to save a ultra special last cutting.

Going back into vegging and starting to grow again can take a long time.

I revegged a sour diesel. Ended up in a 20 gal tub finally. Outside. The leaves were unrecognisable as Marijuana leaves.

If I didn't actually grow this plant over 2 years I would not have known this was a marijuana bush.

The leaves were shaped like ...

I had another couple experiments turned out different frankensteins.

Had one plant I over wintered. Left enough lower material for regrowth.

That turned into a single foot long bud. Any side branching was minimal and weak.

I did another revegging which hermied. I think it was a sour diesel also.

These guys are right.....that's a bit more than showing sex, that's flat out flowering.

You need to bring these plants in at night and put under light for a few more weeks.

Those are leaves of a Sassafras tree 1 palm glove a thumb and hand and 3 fingered.

Representations of what my "rejuvenated" plant turned into over a couple years. reason I don't put a lot of stock in it.

Genetic drift and retardation.

Comet killed the dinosaurs? So girl warm blooded lizards startest mating with their left over brothers?

Wars and comet disasters kill most of the men leaving sissy girls and women behind.

Fighting and surviving comet disaster fires and stabbings in wars ain't easy.

Ever drink Sassafras root tea?

Nothing like it if you know how to find it.

That second plant is definitely male. They flower early of course.

The first pic looks like female in early flower.

I'd take the male and isolate it and capture some pollen. Depends on the male. Does it stink really bad? or good and strong depending on how much of a pussy you are?

Oops. sorry. lol pussys... loll ha ahahah.

So best breeding my amatueurish was a UBC chemo sturdy and lots of branches. I mean this guy was Arnold Swarzenegger with arms every where.

Bred him with another female UBC chemo on one bud.

So depends on if that male is worth breeding or finds his way into the dungheap of history. i.e. the ocean.

Roots wrote:These guys are right.....that's a bit more than showing sex, that's flat out flowering.

You need to bring these plants in at night and put under light for a few more weeks.

I've thought about it. even tho they never been under artificial light. the future may hold a hybrid indoor/outdoor scheme.

The days are long(er) and warm now, so ... in they go.

Thanks Irwin, me too.

MoonMan, Sassafras root tea? haven't tried it.
And the male is compost already, i could start some new seedling for males and if re-veg happens then the pollen be ready by then. i thinks.

Procrastination hasn't got the canna planted yet, with the flowering going on, I'm going to plant four. Then sacrifice a virgin under the full moon, chant naked and pray to the gods they fill out anyway, Bushy and to not so much Well Haysus, this somewhat answer yer question of how my indoor variety will work, Too dang early flowering, likely stunted 'em, that's what.

(Chance to sneak in some pics of the veggies .. it's all intrinsic yanno)
The rest of the mess. Left over seedlings and others stuff.. The Good
Chinese Cabbage, Oregano and Tomatoes. The Bad See canna pics above

The Ugly
Some of the bush beans did not like the frosty morning, than a day later 90F temps. A bit much.

The Planted 4 and one little left in pot, don't know what to do with her, can't just toss her out. (maybe at least give her cab fare?) On the positive they are petite and so cute, like Canna bonsai

This one is still lanky enough to give me a chance of maybe helping to fill the cage.
And there is this guy, a volunteer from tossed seeds, Once I discovered and started to water it I put some xtra leeks and a cucumber in there too. This is on my back porch. It is still sexual indeterminate. If I knew it was female I would have planted it for the big money. But for now, just sitting in a 4 gallon pot, just sitting on the back porch.

Makes me think I should either start the canna germination much later, about mid April. Or start 'em into the grow room. But …
..but it's an attic, so by spring it get awful warm up there. Maybe not then.
Ok, Start 'em later. …..
,,,,,, unless I get hold of some long tall sally seeds, then much early.

There's enough time the lanky one takes over the whole cage.....I would baby that volunteer and give it a good home, it's in aggressive veg and can be huge a few months from now.

Ahhh, great minds think alike, my thinking too.
I've been able to verify the volunteer is a female. So ..
.. I dug up the small full flowering one and replace her with the volunteer. The Full Flowering one in a pot, I have her sitting in a closet now to ensure enough dark time to get her to finish flower quickly. She never going to any bigger, might as well finish her off. And the other little one in a side hole along with the onions. It going be a race with the tomatoes here to see who fills in their cages first.
Life's good.

Good move giving the volunteer a spot in lieu of one of the premature flowerers. I think it's really quite odd you had them flower in May. I've grown literally hundreds of cannabis plants outdoors and I've seen very few genetics that will flower under a post vernal equinox photoperiod. I've had a couple of varieties that would sometimes do that, but even within that gene pool it was still a small minority, maybe 10% max. I think it's a likely case of genetics that are unusually sensitive to photoperiod triggering.

I did start 'em in March. so my working hypothesis is the raining/cloudy days kept the light threshold low enough. If they are is a fast flowering phenotype then they are on the journey to be breed out.

concluding i just started 'em early then i needed to.

Also none of these kidz are showing the tri-node trait their daddy did.
if anyone was wondering.

I've started seeds indoors under simple florescents as early as late February/early March and then planted out in early April without having more than a few of plants go into premature flowering.

Cool, but i think i could do this with any $ on electricity.

The orange clamps are at the four foot mark.
June 19, 3 ½ feet June 23, 4 feet. Compared to the tomatoes at only 3 ½ feet but a uniform full canopy.

The lanky and the volunteer with hardly any evidence of re-veg and the larger ones. Nice big 7 leaflet leafs.

The runt and the one in the side hole are the real re-veggers. First time for me seeing re-vegging in the real. Sure lots of pics and info but first time experiencing it.
The runt is still in singe leaflet. And the side hole one is getting too big for such a little hole. Gonna be a problem methinks.

This one re-vegged into a basil plant WTF!
The Guard dog. GRRRR! Actually she is a great rabbit chaser.

Jesús Malverde wrote:Good move giving the volunteer a spot in lieu of one of the premature flowerers. I think it's really quite odd you had them flower in May. I've grown literally hundreds of cannabis plants outdoors and I've seen very few genetics that will flower under a post vernal equinox photoperiod. I've had a couple of varieties that would sometimes do that, but even within that gene pool it was still a small minority, maybe 10% max. I think it's a likely case of genetics that are unusually sensitive to photoperiod triggering.

no

its bc you are so far up north

things are different below the magic 45s

This is gettin' scary man. A vicious wild black furry thing growling at you a retard marijuana plant turning into a Basil plant.

What kind of world have we created for ourselves?

What kind of future do we see?

Whats the funniest word in the world to say out loud?

Yes, I know we all know the true answer.

ok, sorry, to bring that old joke up again but.. I didn't know what else to say.

My poetic license ran out last month because I forgot to mail in the check to the Bureau of Poetic License Issuers or BPLI for short.

Only 60 days of vegging to go....lol

As vigorous as those look I wouldn't worry much one way or the other, they should rock by late September/early October. Looks like you got your soil dialed in nice. The same stuff that will work great for tomatoes will also for cannabis, you don't really need a lot in the way of special gardening knowledge specific to cannabis to grow the stuff outdoors. They look really good! If the weather cooperates you should have your ten-plus footers if that's what you want.

June 30 And the competing tomato. remember the simpson episode where homer crossed tomato with tobacco?
How about cannomato? tomarijuana?

looking good
Lrus007

July 24
10 feet plus. But still no 12 foot monster No watering for a good week did not slow her down.

The Tomato plant. only 7 feet tall, but full of green tomatoes

If you don't top that thing soon, it'll be 15+ feet by the chop.

Intrinsic wrote:Yeah haysus, you got me thinking maybe I'll cheat some more and plant six more seeds directly in the ground. I got seeds to waste so if they don't catch up with the ones in the pots, no big deal.


Happy 420 and the plants on the balcony, still some frosty mournings, so too early for the garden.

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Ya can see there not growing fast at all. A couple a little twisted, all stretched. Though healthy enough I suppose.

Man I already miss growing under flouros, so much faster growth rate.

That growth rate under the sun eventually kinda left the flouros in the dust did't it?

You'll start seeing the pre flower stretch in about a week or two.

I'm using up the rest of my veg food the next feeding and after that I'm going to start giving mine things to help bloom.

here is the deal :

you buy me a ticket for the plane , and im going to enjoy a vacation in the shadow of your plants !
all i need is a bong, some water and a magnifying glass, yes, im modest

Jesús Malverde wrote:If you don't top that thing soon, it'll be 15+ feet by the chop.

Top it!?! Seriously, you think i should? seems sacrilege. Or ya be funny?

August 1 Not much to say, it is 12 feet now, you can see a 5 foot blue+yellow ladder to the right buried in the foliage.

it's kinda of skunky smell now. i forget about the telltale pungent smell. might have the dogs chase/kill a skunk or two during flower. well not my dog.

I am going sneak in some veggie pics from the garden whilst i have yer attention
Yellow Bush Beans Cantaloupe Butternut squash

I like that vertical grow method you've done with the melons and squash.

Thanks man. besides be a space saver, I definitely found the cantaloupe likes hanging better.

not just leeches

watch also out for ticks

id love to see some pics of the guerilla spot, just for inspirational purposes

TheGhost wrote:Well the camera will be up in a tree out of reach, so to steal it they are going to have to come back
.... ....

Well i hike around a lot in off no-entry, restricted or private land areas. And have seen a few grows and even a plantation. even some game cameras of fish and wildlife agencies has placed. i never took anything but finding the stuff is fun.
i'm just saying the are plenty others like me bopping around. tho i hope to see ya make it.


Thanks for posting! cool.

August 12. I haven't actually measured it but i calling it 12 feet. Damn i feel good about this ... so far. Finally started to flower

More garden shit:
The tomato has reached 8 feet. actually 2 Beefsteaks and 2 Chianti Rose. Some More toms: Siberian and Glacier Bell Peppers A daily harvest A barrier to hide the canna from view of my driveway. It is made up of green beans, purple beans, squash and cucumber.
Working well and getting some xtra veggies.

Intrinsic wrote:

Jesús Malverde wrote:If you don't top that thing soon, it'll be 15+ feet by the chop.

Top it!?! Seriously, you think i should? seems sacrilege. Or ya be funny?

No, serious. I think you should NOT top it and let it get twenty feet tall if that's what it wants to do. People top and train outdoor plants way too much, just can't leave well enough alone.

Jesús Malverde wrote:There's almost no possible upside to a game camera or knowing who the ripper is. What are you supposed to do with that information? Just leave it and never go back. I could walk you through what it takes to successfully grow guerrilla, but first, do the plants need to be watered there? Because if the answer to that question is "yes", you're pretty much wasting your time. Guerrilla is difficult to do successfully, and most people stubbornly make the same mistakes over and over and can't be taught. Number one rule is, stay the fuck away, don't water, don't "investigate", don't check on them. Just don't. I like that the spot is in a posted no trespassing area that's accessed by a patrolled road, but you'll need to bike in and hide it out of view or have someone drop you off and pick you up later. leaving a vehicle parked while you tend your spot is bad, bad, bad practice.

yeah, i can sign that too .. as an "old guerilla grower" , there are only 3 occasions to visit the plot: 1st = (trans)planting and/or seeding - starting your grow , 2nd = killing males (if you started from seed, like in the good ol days prior to fems and autos), today you can skip even this "visit" when having fem seeds, or working with clones , 3rd = harvest time

everything else will become suspicious , when harvesting in fall , its also time to prepare for next season, depending if you are lucky with that spot, prepare soil, dig holes , cut bushes/tress and so on ...

brown dirt warrior used to write a lot of cool infos down on old PG, was a mega big thread, before he started making movies, anyways, a good source for guerilla ....

there is a similarity that just popped up my mind, indoors you are trying to simulate nature as good as you can, well guerilla is the same approach - you are simulating nature as good as possible - just outdoors .. sounds a bit dumb on the first sight, but think about it ... thats the hardest part about guerilla


and of course, start from the end, if you dont have a place to dry your buds, dont even start growing ... i had once this problem, having about 30 "plants" ... outdoor plants, every single plant a minimum of 3 meters height and at least a half kilo heavy ... a half years work .... taken by the police ... bc i havent had a place to dry and got problems finding a place to dry which in the end raised too many questions, stirred up shit and ultimately tracked the police to the place i have "rented" for a part of the yield ... i was riding my bike, having a paper bale on my back, which is not unusual, as it was november and ppl transported this way wood and other stuff for fire heating ... it was 8pm , i do remember as it was yesterday (strange - such things dont get forgotten so easily lol) , i was infront of the house and its garden, where the barn was where the plants had to be hanged in, just the moment i wanted to press the door bell, from behind a light went up, then another one ... the second light had a blue color .... i knew instantly, that the game was over ... i didnt even tried to run or hide ...

but back for a week or two, bc of those problems i also tried to dry the plants outside ... just impossible during november inside a forrest, also with help of brown paper bags , didnt worked out, no way ....

this was a double downer for me, not that i got just busted and all that shit, the same day my dog died ... might sound strange, but thanks to his death, the plants and the bust werent in my main focus and his death helped me a lot going through all this shitz

RIP

August 28 Still flowering. No problems yet. knock-on-wood This the small one that really took off flowering before it was re-veged, It is now racing ahead again.
The 8 foot tomato and it's big fruit.

yet more Gratuitous veggie bragging
Dinner Next day dinner the only herb being harvested is Basil and oregano. so far.

awesome bush!

and the veggies - yummy !

gonna have enough jars?

It looks like it's time to tie it up a bit with some 10-12' bamboo poles....Once it gets some weight, wind or rain will snap it at the crotches.....Your plant looks a lot like the Dog Cookies I'm growing.

Listen to Roots, that bush will need some support once the first fall storms hit or it'll be splitting and falling over all over the place.

Veggies for the munchies!

bentech wrote:gonna have enough jars?

Yup, only cause i'm purty much eating everything on the spot. The quickly chopped tomato salad is currently my favorite snack, now the first wave of cantaloupes are done. About a quart of diced heirloom toms and some ranch dressing .... maybe some green beans or red onion. yay baby!

Roots wrote:It looks like it's time to tie it up a bit with some 10-12' bamboo poles....Once it gets some weight, wind or rain will snap it at the crotches.....Your plant looks a lot like the Dog Cookies I'm growing.

Understood. thanks, see my following post for some initial weight probs ...

i'm using trimmed thick branches off the apple tree seen in the pic for poles, have to trim it anyway. Sliding 'em the cage in the cage for stem support. planning to see if i can support the extended branches with longer extended poles as needed. as for the top above the cage, i'm still pondering it. hard enough getting that high up on the ladder anyway. such problems eh.

Packing on weight. notice on the right side is the one in the little side hole, a gallon of soil max, has gotten huge and is now toppling over. Obviously the taproot made it into the main bed's water reservoir.
After the pic I tied her up good. (what was that safe word?) The canna towering in the back over the competing tomato plant. Interesting views: Oh-so deliciously pungent too ... a matter of time before the neighbors know too.

More garden stuff:
So i got this guy going for me in the garden. He/she won't stay on the canna (too sticky?) but loves the tomato

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was the safe word :D

more pics

Really beautiful gardening work!

One of my favorite grow threads in years.

Thanks man.



"Remember the rule of thumb, when you think it's ready, wait another week." ~ yabetcha

This going beyond my expectations. Why isn't the universe still screwing with me?!?
knock-on-wood and don't count yer flowers before they hatch ... sorta thing
September 19:

more veggies
Green Chile Second wave of butternut Squash Purple pole bean pods.I'm letting these go to seed for next grow Second wave of tomatoes second wave of cantaloupe

Oh MY GORSH! I can taste them now!

Aww dem TERPENES!

I'm helping a friend out with a grow and she has to CONSTANTLY be reassured it's OK to wait to harvest. She'd probably pick the damn things now with the pistils practically green if I ever stopped nagging her to wait, wait, wait. I told her *nothing* gets chopped until mid-October, I think she's hoping for a big storm to break some branches for her to dry out now.

^^ Ha! that happen to me, but the rain didn't break any all the way, i had do that myself.

Had some breakage. A small rain storm blew by here a couple of days ago and just what Roots warned me about happened. Not bad, fixable,
Tied more up. By use branches from the apple and plum trees works, and by sticking out the two side I'm able to tie/support 2-3 canna branches with one stick. I'll be gone on a hike for the first week of October, she'll will be unattended for 8-10 days, when I get back I'll think about harvesting.

The basil has proved to be simpatico with cannabis. Dinner and Dessert.

Jesús Malverde wrote:I'm helping a friend out with a grow and she has to CONSTANTLY be reassured it's OK to wait to harvest. She'd probably pick the damn things now with the pistils practically green if I ever stopped nagging her to wait, wait, wait. I told her *nothing* gets chopped until mid-October, I think she's hoping for a big storm to break some branches for her to dry out now.

Got a bro that way. No self control. Can't help himself. If he has "weed" he smokes it all up.

That's fucking impressive. Depending on your elevation...

...this could possibly go another couple or three further weeks.

Buenos Días vatos!!

A cool crisp mourning and just letting the grass grow.
A lot of yellowing and leaf die back; hopefully normal for this climate and time of year.
She's adequately feed, watered and I play music almost every day, she ought to be happy. The competing tomato, fruiting away too. A leek, a napa cabbage and bell pepper and tomato in background

And the Obligatory trich pics

Jesús Malverde wrote:...this could possibly go another couple or three further weeks.
...
That's fucking impressive. Depending on your elevation...

I'm looking at 2nd week of October. Maybe some of the lower branches first tho. Jeez i don't want to deal with harvesting the whole thing at once. Might forgo any trimming

by-the-by I'm at 3000 feet , I do want to be impressive. Girls dig it, right?

The yellowing and leaf drop are normal for October for a lot of genetics in my experience, and are actually a good sign as they tell you the plant is approaching readiness for harvest. Some genetics, however, stay fresh perky green right up until the end. There's that moment growing outdoors when your plants are approaching full maturity and just so beautiful to look at when you realize your work for this season isn't even half done. All spring and summer long, the chop looks like the finish line, but its so far from that. Between trimming and setting up a good place for drying (critical!!!) that can be heated and force ventilated, when you do the chop, you realize you'd just reached a false summit and the real goal is still a long way off and up.

Not intending to be any sort of buzzkill...

Not at all haysus. And i do kinda think the yellowing leaves are normal since the rest of the garden (except tomatoes) is dying back from the cooler nights and shorter days.
Some (hopefully) purty pics:

Tomatoes And Canna.

is this the strain you normally grow indoors?

Yep! from the seeds i made from last year
It does have a different look. Leaves are thinner. It implies environment plays a role besides just genetics.

Rained a few days ago and what sun predicted happened. The buds Got soaked, heavy and Split at the nodes.
Lost two big branches on top.
Tied her up … better. But that is all the work I'm doing on it. If something wants to break OK, it is so close to the end it's inconsequential.

I'll be gone next week (trippin' in Zion Woo-hoo!) then the chop in 2nd week of November.
Well with Sun's advice a week later, maybe; been a couple of frosty mornings. Snow is a coming. In my garden that usually that is the deciding factor for last harvest and shut down.

Looking ragged; But still beautiful. Broken branches hanging.

Fall is here. Pistachio turning his gorgeous autumn colors. So the canna Fall colors fit right in. Because of the rain and wet ground I picked the butternut squash lying on the ground. left those sill hanging. Tonight's Dinner

Jesús Malverde wrote:The yellowing and leaf drop are normal for October for a lot of genetics in my experience, and are actually a good sign as they tell you the plant is approaching readiness for harvest. Some genetics, however, stay fresh perky green right up until the end. There's that moment growing outdoors when your plants are approaching full maturity and just so beautiful to look at when you realize your work for this season isn't even half done. All spring and summer long, the chop looks like the finish line, but its so far from that. Between trimming and setting up a good place for drying (critical!!!) that can be heated and force ventilated, when you do the chop, you realize you'd just reached a false summit and the real goal is still a long way off and up.

thx for the reminder, was reading a thread about some genetics from a grower who knows his stuff, he said 1 thing thats ultimately the truth for 99,99% of strains out there :

nobody took ripening as the main key/selection feature, meaning yellowing of leafs, natural chlorophyll deprivation, leaf loss and some more aspects ... dont mix up ripening with finishing dates, one has to do with trics the other with the plant itself

this grower does remember the times before indoor HID revolution, and as you see, he is missing some more or less important features in todays genetics ... this dude is growing 16 weeks + strains outdoor, went through all of shantis haze variations and found only 1 keeper plant, despite going through at least 5 packs per strain, that fits his "high" needs

Ok the chop is done. Just in time too. First big storm yesterday, lots of rain .. no snow yet but windy and a hard drencher. Would've devastated the canna if I left her out.
I'm gonna piecemeal or drag the pics out tho.

First here is some bud shots taken from the ladder: Starting on the cutting, about 25% done there. Starting the hang .. Filling it up, About a quarter of harvest. This is my "pet" deer, she sleeps out behind house. She (and her fawn waiting farther back) watched me doing the chop. And this is why she's waiting around, the compost pile leaf treat. Yum-yum.

About halve is dried and jarred.
The larger branches still left for drying a day or so more. A yard stick to the left in pic, gives an idea of size.
So far 3.5 pounds. FWIW I've been smokin' n tokin' continuously.
One toke over the line ... ♪♫♪ ♫♪... ♫♪ ♪♫

Not all is happy fun time tho. The first rain left some of the denser/older buds Moldy!
Yikes. Fist time I seen canna mold. I wasn't sure at first what the fuck was happening!! What to with this stuff? What is the heath risks smoking it? Does the heat from a lighter kill the spores?
???

For me, bud rot and molds hit the compost...better than risking a lung infection.

i met a hvac guy once who'd lost a lung to the black stuff...

fuck

we run into that all the time...

Super nice. Yeah, anything gray colored at all, throw it the compost bin. What a #$%&ing tree!

Thanks Bob n Haysus. That's what i thought and have actually binned it. Hope the deer didn't eat it.

Finial Weight: 6.75 pounds of sell-able bud (if was inclined to still do so).
The approximate cost: 50 cents per ounce.
Each ice chest contains 1.5 pounds with each gallon ziplock baggie a quarter pound.
{note: my ounces are 30 grams, fwiw}

This is a personal grow, but if the cops found it I don't think the DA would believe me. Sad but true.

This ought to easily last me five years to a lifetime, that's with giving most of it away before it gets too old. This concludes the 2017 grow. ...and maybe my last with this much weed! It's been fun.

awesome

how does it smoke?

Thanks bro!
Okay, there are 3 phenotypes: white. purple, and regular.


the white (the 1/2 lb and the 1 lb) is a heady high, very "up". saving it for summer hiking. clean burning.

The regular (2 pounds) has the densest buds, and is the one that had a some mold. it is a kick-ass high, potent! kinda my favorite so far

the big one (3 lbs) is purple (a slight purpling in the bud) and is ... well sorta normal but i haven't smoke a lot of it yet.

But it is hard to be subjective when i am high so much now.
also a couple of jars that were harvest earlier and cured for 4 weeks and they have an awesome bouquet.

I actually drooled over the pungency.

Not a great smoke report but i tried.

sweet!

I helped an old friend do a little backyard grow this year and that's about what we got from fifteen plants! Well done.

Wow. Incredible grow intrinsic. Id like to try your mix of soil and ferts. Just gotta find me a good spot to grow and I should be sweet. Nice pics too.

at present the mans on a walk about
we expect him back next month...